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Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
22
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:17:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.
Come on, I too can create a bunch of forum alts and post IN CAPS all over the forums. It doesn't prove anything. Also, you seems to be....somewhat mad about a video game. Go out, take a deep breath, it helps  You might want to think about something like trains. You know, peoples complain when trains are late right ? They'll complain. When trains arrives right on time, they won't go all "Hurray nice job you did there !" because it's normal. It's how it's supposed to be. Deal with it.
Funny hows it only idiot goons posting cry baby tears - keep deep throatng mittani its hilarious....goons just keeping look stupid... |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
148
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:20:00 -
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Confirming that I am satisfied with the CSM as it stands now. They represent the interests of those who care enough about the game to be bothered to spend 5 minutes voting(that was a long freaking list of candidates)
Why would CCP care about the opinions of those who don't care enough about the game to speak up? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:43:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:SMT008 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.
Come on, I too can create a bunch of forum alts and post IN CAPS all over the forums. It doesn't prove anything. Also, you seems to be....somewhat mad about a video game. Go out, take a deep breath, it helps  You might want to think about something like trains. You know, peoples complain when trains are late right ? They'll complain. When trains arrives right on time, they won't go all "Hurray nice job you did there !" because it's normal. It's how it's supposed to be. Deal with it. Funny hows it only idiot goons posting cry baby tears - keep deep throatng mittani its hilarious....goons just keeping look stupid...
Look at your post, now back to mine. Now back to your post, now back to mine. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped being so obsessed about the CSM, and switched to do something more constructive, it could look like my post.
Look down.
Back up.
Where are you ?
You're in the Jita Park Speakers Corner, scrolling through posts, writing a post your post could look like.
What's in your hand ?
Back at me. I have it. It's a post that look like it was written by me.
Look again, the post is now diamonds. Everything is possible when you think before you post. |

Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:22:00 -
[274] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Confirming that I am satisfied with the CSM as it stands now. They represent the interests of those who care enough about the game to be bothered to spend 5 minutes voting(that was a long freaking list of candidates)
Why would CCP care about the opinions of those who don't care enough about the game to speak up?
Because those "uninterested people" are the bulk of the subs who keep EVE alive by paying for it ... .and subs have been decreasing ... so it would be in CCP's best interest to focus on them - and not let the CSM overly influence anything. |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
151
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:27:00 -
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Takara Mora wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Confirming that I am satisfied with the CSM as it stands now. They represent the interests of those who care enough about the game to be bothered to spend 5 minutes voting(that was a long freaking list of candidates)
Why would CCP care about the opinions of those who don't care enough about the game to speak up? Because those "uninterested people" are the bulk of the subs who keep EVE alive by paying for it ... .and subs have been decreasing ... so it would be in CCP's best interest to focus on them - and not let the CSM overly influence anything. v0v blame them for not speaking up.
And if you actually check out the background of the CSM, only 4 or 5 of the primary delegates are nullsec, so roughly half.
Non-nullsec players cannot claim to be unrepresented, tho, due to their inability to vote as a cohesive group, they are under-represented. And here is the thing, those same people want changes that will ultimately destroy Eve. 90% of the things highsec carebears ask for will turn Eve into WoW in Space. If you want that go play Star Trek Online.
I'll take my hard, gritty game, where loss means something and can happen for no good reason, even tho its guaranteed a small playerbase because most people are afraid by nature. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
12
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:56:00 -
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The 1 player 1 vote point is valid, a democratic system based on wealth and buying a vote (in this case having multiple accounts) doesn't work.
But if every elected group I disagreed with was disbanded there would be none left. Once the vote is done, we live with the consequences.
Next election those who don't like the current mix (which includes me) need to make sure we vote for a difference, but the current crop as voted in should serve their term of office and represent those who elected them. That's what democracy is. |

Leo Solen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 00:40:00 -
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Gheng Kondur wrote:(...) Once the vote is done, we live with the consequences.
Next election those who don't like the current mix (which includes me) need to make sure we vote for a difference, but the current crop as voted in should serve their term of office and represent those who elected them. That's what democracy is.
Not really, we do have Impeachment. 
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Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
14
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Posted - 2011.10.24 06:16:00 -
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Leo Solen wrote:[ Not really, we do have Impeachment. 
Yes, once it can be proved that the elected official has broken terms of office, but not when we just don't like them or what they are doing.
There is a big difference between the 2 points and most of what I am seeing on these post is 'I don't like them and the way they play'. 'CSM is unbalanced towards Null' and some unsubstantiated comments.
If someone has proof of a member of CSM breaking their terms, fine, kick that person out. If not this is just looking like a witch hunt. Though halloween may almost be upon us, innocent until proven guilty is still the principle I'll stick with.
Some of what CSM have been involved in I do not like, but other things I do. Some play their characters in a way I don't like, other don't. But none of that is grounds for impeachment. |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
157
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Posted - 2011.10.24 06:31:00 -
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Hey, Trebor is the primary Highsec CSM, correct?
I think it may be time to start a remove useless highsec CSM delegates petition....
(Your doing great Trebor, as is everyone on the current CSM, but if your constituents are gonna turn it into a highsec vs nullsec smear campaign, I think some ******** over the top statements might need to be made) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Leo Solen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:56:00 -
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Gheng Kondur wrote:Leo Solen wrote:[ Not really, we do have Impeachment.  Yes, once it can be proved that the elected official has broken terms of office, but not when we just don't like them or what they are doing. There is a big difference between the 2 points and most of what I am seeing on these post is 'I don't like them and the way they play'. 'CSM is unbalanced towards Null' and some unsubstantiated comments. If someone has proof of a member of CSM breaking their terms, fine, kick that person out. If not this is just looking like a witch hunt. Though halloween may almost be upon us, innocent until proven guilty is still the principle I'll stick with. Some of what CSM have been involved in I do not like, but other things I do. Some play their characters in a way I don't like, other don't. But none of that is grounds for impeachment.
Not at all! Impeachment can be due to the people losing faith at their elected representative. And honestly only a few criminal motivated Impeachments were actually proved, most of them had no proof at all of illicit activities. Nevertheless the ones in power were taken off their position. Basically, like I said, people lost their faith and took them out. That is the Democracy you so proud speak off, the +¦+++++++¦-ü+¦-ä+»+¦ "rule/power of the people". |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
162
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:03:00 -
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Leo Solen wrote:Gheng Kondur wrote:Leo Solen wrote:[ Not really, we do have Impeachment.  Yes, once it can be proved that the elected official has broken terms of office, but not when we just don't like them or what they are doing. There is a big difference between the 2 points and most of what I am seeing on these post is 'I don't like them and the way they play'. 'CSM is unbalanced towards Null' and some unsubstantiated comments. If someone has proof of a member of CSM breaking their terms, fine, kick that person out. If not this is just looking like a witch hunt. Though halloween may almost be upon us, innocent until proven guilty is still the principle I'll stick with. Some of what CSM have been involved in I do not like, but other things I do. Some play their characters in a way I don't like, other don't. But none of that is grounds for impeachment. Not at all! Impeachment can be due to the people losing faith at their elected representative. And honestly only a few criminal motivated Impeachments were actually proved, most of them had no proof at all of illicit activities. Nevertheless the ones in power were taken off their position. Basically, like I said, people lost their faith and took them out. That is the Democracy you so proud speak off, the +¦+++++++¦-ü+¦-ä+»+¦ "rule/power of the people". How many presidents to you think were impeached?...
Also, what you are describing isn't an impeachment, its a vote of no-confidence.
Which the CSM charter does not allow for.
If you believe such a thing should exist, I suggest getting ahold of your CSM delegate, and have the bring it up with CCP 
(actually, I bet if you picked the right one to approach to advocate this, it actually would get brought to CCP, and might happen) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
15
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:14:00 -
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+1 to Tallian Saotome for saving me the trouble of correcting him |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
163
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:18:00 -
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Gheng Kondur wrote:+1 to Tallian Saotome for saving me the trouble of correcting him I enjoy making sure people understand the facts.
Had some moron today try to tell me FA wouldn't shoot him because he was blue to test. Nearly hurt myself on that one.
Sadly, its VERY hard to tackle anyone in a scimitar  o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Leo Solen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:34:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:How many presidents to you think were impeached?... Some, you can google it.
Tallian Saotome wrote:Also, what you are describing isn't an impeachment, its a vote of no-confidence. Not really, that will depend on the country you live in. In my country for example, this case of motion is also called Impeachment. We do not have any variants for the term. Demoting an elected official will always be known as Impeachment here.
Tallian Saotome wrote:If you believe such a thing should exist, I suggest getting ahold of your CSM delegate, and have the bring it up with CCP  (actually, I bet if you picked the right one to approach to advocate this, it actually would get brought to CCP, and might happen) A great idea once you think of cultural factors. This 'motion of no confidence' by its name is new to me. Like I said, a motion of this kind would also be known as Impeachment here. So if I were to see that the CSM charter does not allow for vote of no-confidence IGÇÖd hardly link one thing to the other.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1019
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:20:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Hey, Trebor is the primary Highsec CSM, correct? I view myself as a CSM who tries to treat all areas of the game equally. As such, I particularly push for resources to be allocated to things that help the 99%, so to speak -- UI, industrial infrastructure, etc. The whole point of the crowdsourcing is to help make those allocation decisions more efficient.
Tallian Saotome wrote:(Your doing great Trebor, as is everyone on the current CSM, but if your constituents are gonna turn it into a highsec vs nullsec smear campaign, I think some ******** over the top statements might need to be made) I am sure that a rough, tough nullsec forum-warrior such as yourself can defend himself quite ably. 
CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
164
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:30:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Hey, Trebor is the primary Highsec CSM, correct? I view myself as a CSM who tries to treat all areas of the game equally. As such, I particularly push for resources to be allocated to things that help the 99, so to speak -- UI, industrial infrastructure, etc. The whole point of the crowdsourcing is to help make those allocation decisions more efficient. Well then, who is the highsec rep? I know SOMEONE came out a while back as primarily advocating highsec interests.
*DOWN WITH RANDOM CSM!!!*
Edit: It gave me bloody parse errors for quoting YOUR percent sign!!!! *rabble rabble rabble* o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Kendon Riddick
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:30:00 -
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I think the CSM's need to be picked from each field and not make it too broad.
Would a small team of CSM for each high sec, low sec/fw and 0.0 be too much to ask?
Mining, ratting, holeing,pvp, pirating, suiside ganking, try to cover every profression with a small numnber, im not saying one CSM per profression per sector unless they are voted in for multiple sectors. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
47
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:32:00 -
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I think the first step to getting the random "little guy" high sec pilot to become interested in the CSM is to make the campaign and election totally someting "in game". I should vote in game, I should be constantly reminded IN GAME there is an election and tie voting to getting something, like the "election shuttle". Randomize the order of the candidates when you are presented who to vote for and at least the argument that the "care bear" block doesn't vote because the they don't "forum" goes away.
Get the CSM election in game and then you can't not know about it.
Also, I know a lot of folks want to bash the current CSM for being focused on thier own agenda. To that I say it makes them one of the most "effective" CSMs ever. I don't like most of that they have gotten done because I have a different focus in Eve but you have to admit they represented their support base very well. If you didn't like what they did you should have worked harder on getting someone else elected because what they have done was no surprise.
Issler |

Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
16
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:11:00 -
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I've said it once and I'll say it a thousand more times.
If you're gonna ***** about a CSM delegate, get off your lazy good for nothing ass, find a candidate, and support him.*
Otherwise, quit making completely pointless threads like this that continually clog up the front page.
The one time the CSM actually manages to refocus CCP on EVE, and suddenly everything's gone to **** and we should all blame Goons. I'mma go back to Kugu now o/
*Inb4 hurrrrr, we're in HighSec so we lack the organization of a big NullSec bloc. Get over it and work with each other for once. |

Jinli mei
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:34:00 -
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I shudder to think of what highsec would be like if it weren't for past and present CSM delegates and conferences. No one, CSM or not, is out there to ruin highsec. It's not in our interest, nor CCP's. Without the CSM, I fear, this game would have been worthless years ago.
Oh and, by the by, attempting to raise voter participation by generating a lot of white noise is useless. The reason people in nullsec judge highsec so harshly is that we know very well there is a large percentage of highsec players that don't actually care. Add to that, the overall percentage of highsec players don't even realize some of the critically bad problems in this game.
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Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:55:00 -
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I was in a VERY early version of the CSMs way back.
It was basically a rep from various "professions" (yeah weird). And we'd prepare around 3-4 questions each, and get to ask the Devs those questions in turn and get answers in real time.
We'd never know what dev would be there if any would show up. Usually Pann or later Kieron would rounding available devs up on the fly it seemed.
And their answers were often vague to be generous.
The current format is way, way better than that "amateurism" early on.
But of course it wouldn't be any harm in setting up term limits and so on to prevent stagnation, something that EVE seems to have too much of now a days.
And if Goons are gaming the system, well EVE is a PVP game so game them back, beat them at their own game then.
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
167
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:09:00 -
[292] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I think the first step to getting the random "little guy" high sec pilot to become interested in the CSM is to make the campaign and election totally someting "in game". I should vote in game, I should be constantly reminded IN GAME there is an election and tie voting to getting something, like the "election shuttle". Randomize the order of the candidates when you are presented who to vote for and at least the argument that the "care bear" block doesn't vote because the they don't "forum" goes away.
Get the CSM election in game and then you can't not know about it.
Actually, the CSMs DID go around in game spamming people trying to get votes, particularly in highsec.
Also, the day the vote went live, you got a nice little pop up when you logged in saying the election was on, and to click on the link(provided in the pop up) to go view the randomized list of candidates.
And yes, the list was randomized, as anyone with more than one character can tell you.
Anyone complaining about the process is someone who just clicks ok on whatever window they see to close it. I don't want those people voting, because they aren't going to make an informed decision, they are gonna click a name to close the window if forced to vote.
Mandatory voting is a terrible idea, as is any mechanism which changes the voting process from an opt-in system to an opt-out system, simply because of the ignorant masses who don't care.
If you care, you will vote, its that simple.
Oh, and those with multiple accounts, well our voice is worth more because we are worth more to the company, obviously. My votes got split between Mittens, and Trebor. Mittens is the leader the CSM needed this term, and maybe even next term. We NEEDED someone who would go out and be a media *****, because it brought attention, and thus pressure, on CCP to clean up their act. It worked. Trebor needed to be there, well, because he tends to opposed the Mittani, and that needs to happen too.
This coming CSM, I will probably vote the same way, but hope that Trebor takes chair and Mittens is there as a normal CSM to opposed him on his carebear initiative(also there to media ***** it up again should it be needed).
PS. Hey Trebor, did you hear they are making a Wizardry MMO? wut?  o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1022
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:32:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Well then, who is the highsec rep? I know SOMEONE came out a while back as primarily advocating highsec interests.
There is no "hisec CSM", but there are quite a few that try to broadly represent the interests of all of the players. Myself, Meissa, Seleene, and Two Step come to mind.
Tallian Saotome wrote:PS. Hey Trebor, did you hear they are making a Wizardry MMO? wut? 
Yeah, I heard. I have no direct connection to Wizardry these days, so I don't know any more than you do. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |

Big Bad Mofo
Comply Or Die
34
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:36:00 -
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Skaz wrote:
And if Goons are gaming the system, well EVE is a PVP game so game them back, beat them at their own game then.
Instant 8000 man alliance and a nice region going spare? Oh and a few hundered wouldnt go a miss.
Seriously silly comments like this make me very angry stop talking out of your ass man
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Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
13
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:53:00 -
[295] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:...listen to the WHOLE community...
Fair enough, I'll add my voice then: I have no problem whatsoever with the current CSM and I feel that they're doing a fine job. Please do not remove them. |

Velyks
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:29:00 -
[296] - Quote
Big Bad Mofo wrote:Skaz wrote:
And if Goons are gaming the system, well EVE is a PVP game so game them back, beat them at their own game then.
Instant 8000 man alliance and a nice region going spare? Oh and a few hundered wouldnt go a miss. Seriously silly comments like this make me very angry  stop talking out of your ass man
You talk like you're unable to form an 8000 man alliance.
Its a lot easier than you think. http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |

Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:05:00 -
[297] - Quote
Mal Darkrunner wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:...listen to the WHOLE community... Fair enough, I'll add my voice then: I have no problem whatsoever with the current CSM and I feel that they're doing a fine job. Please do not remove them. You misunderstand. Everyone who is in support of current CSM, are not part of community. They are part of goon conspiracy to take over galaxy. And thats is why their voices and arguments should be ignored. See? Its easy  For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
177
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:22:00 -
[298] - Quote
Velyks wrote:Big Bad Mofo wrote:Skaz wrote:
And if Goons are gaming the system, well EVE is a PVP game so game them back, beat them at their own game then.
Instant 8000 man alliance and a nice region going spare? Oh and a few hundered wouldnt go a miss. Seriously silly comments like this make me very angry  stop talking out of your ass man You talk like you're unable to form an 8000 man alliance. Its a lot easier than you think. but you have to be willing to do more than whine on the forums.
Oh, and a region to spare? If you can get a 2000 man alliance together then you can take a region pretty easily. It will be a crap region, but its a foothold. With 8000 I imagine you could take almost any region you wanted.
Honestly, if you want an 8k alliance, only one exists... and its not goons.
(glad I checked dotlan before saying there are no 8k alliances... WTF X.W.X)
Edit:
Red Templar wrote:For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! Ponies get likes. Always. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
105
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:09:00 -
[299] - Quote
They won't be removed "now" Lets just wait until the end of the year to see what Himlar has in mind for them. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:34:00 -
[300] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:They won't be removed "now" Lets just wait until the end of the year to see what Himlar has in mind for them. So now you and your alts are going to take over other peoples' threads?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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