Hilmar P+¬tursson: The CSM has been under constant evolution based on what's going on in the current environment, what's going on with CCP and Eve, who's on the Council and all that. The CSM has helped greatly through the years in getting feedback for aspects of the game.

But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there.

"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

Nothing like reinforcing a stereotype mate!

If the CSM was full of new players (like me), we wouldn't know where to start when it comes to addressing issues in game. The veterans know what promises have been made before and how changes to the game mechanics will influence the player base more than others.

Like you said though the CSM is just full of old players looking to secure their own interests in the game. I am sure however that CCP realizes this and so takes what they say with a pinch of salt. I have not been around long but the CSM does voice some of my major concerns so like all real political situations I will vote for them and take the good with the bad.

Bascially thats just a warning shot saying "certain 0.0 dwellers who will remain nameless, it's time to shut the **** up" but I would like the CSM to continue because apart from some disruptive elements to it it actually does a good job.

I think he has just figured out that some people are getting a little to big for their boots and it's a polite way of telling them to calm down a bit.

Believe what you want. You can listen to those little voices in your head.

You think they had any real influence on the financial side of CCP? lol Good one

Goons are killing the game, everything they stand for is wrong for eve.

"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle

"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

No you didn't.
You had nothing to do with that.

The player base did when the protested and unsubed. So you can STFU.




The CSM is currently garbage, and for CCP to begin to recognize that fills me with tickles and giggles.

What CCP needs to do is tweak the election process for future CSM's to ensure that the members have a more even spread and represent all walks of life (in Eve) ..

1: They didn't

2: The Mittani was anything but critical in his view towards incarna and MT

3: Vile Rat didn't even care about buying golden scorpions with Aurum

4: CSM was late jumping on the bandwagon and is now some are trying to claim victory while all they did was ride along.

The "whole community" is limited to 10-15% of the population as that is the amount of people who care enough about Eve to vote in the CSM elections.
The remaining 85-90% of people have NO SAY in the matter AT ALL! They chose not to participate and thus forfeit their rights to ***** and moan over anything not directly consumer related (which is covered by RL laws).

What CCP needs to do is tweak the election process for future CSM's to ensure that the members have a more even spread and represent all walks of life (in Eve) .. plus add a blank vote option as that is sorely needed.

To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.

Thats a problem then isnt it.... They dont get involved because, its not really interesting for them to. They dont really get enough interaction. Also when big alliances vote for themselves, its a little pointless isnt it....seriously...
Players in alliance, then out of alliance alts etc..

Just I think CCP (if they kept CSM) should vote internally who should be on the CSM - like an interview process.

1) Yes they were
2) Wrong
3) Yes he did
4) Wrong again.

All typical empire pubbie answers.

No they didn't.
CCP as a company went into a panic when they saw their revenue stream drop into the toilet.
The CSM did precisely jack.


The player base sent the message.

Look stop sticking up for your leaders, people are now a little f**ked off with them, seems even CCP are... You need to now shut up, because quite frankly no one cares anymore.

And who was the driver behind that? Oh god I can't wait to hear your pubbie answer.

And you've yet to tell us what the cause of this was.

Hint: It contains the word 'minutes'.

No.

The driver behind what? CSM corruption?


CCP's flawed voting system that allows multiple account holders to Vote for members of their own large alliances.

Keep looking stupid then....up to you... See that bit i posted about idiot vets....... Mittani alt perhaps?

This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously.

I can see why people are upset at the CSM due to all the hubbub but what did you think was going to happen by electing Goons to be in charge of ANYTHING? Their mantra is complete and total anarchy and troublemaking. That's like electing Sid Vicious to Prime Minister and then getting pissed off when everything goes to ****.

I mean, you can fault them for it but then again you really can't. The American people elected GW Bush for a second term; did they think things were going to actually get better? They've only got themselves to blame.

Kardion Farts in public.....You know what we call answers like this people? A strawman attack. What is a strawman attack? It's a simple tactic to distract you from the primary focus.

kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to.....

keep them all in there please...

Karadion you are just a bleating sheep of Goonswarm, please remove yourself from this thread. The CSM have no power when it comes to financial decisions at CCP. Which the dropping of WoD and refocusing on EVE was.

The CSM has done good things in helping them readdress the current problems in the game, but you are fooling yourselves if you believe they are behind CCP cutting staff etc. That all points towards cash flow problems.

Where did I talk about the financial side of their business? The World of Darkness MMO is a terrible concept and they missed Twilight by several years. What was their target audience especially? Doesn't exist. Dust 514, great concept, poor implementation. At least they're on the back burner and development is going full throttle into FiS concepts instead of WiS concept which you Second Life fans are screaming for.

kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to.....

keep them all in there please...

You're right...
That is exactly what you are doing right now.

Yes..

K.com has more useful information, maybe you should keep an open mind. But hey "Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing" always works for you Empire pubbies. As long you fellate CCP's egos, they would go back to the way things were, keep working on WiS to bring you Second Life Redux. "Can I get chapless ass pants CCP?"

Dust isn't on the back burner.

No it doesnt. It full of bitter vets...who are lets say it bitter... kugu is the place where all those idiots i spoke about hang out. Who think they are epeen, its the sespit of eve players..

Thats fine keep them there...

And we can be here too. That's the great thing about forums. People can come and go. We don't serve at your pleasure. We serve to annoy you instead.

Yep I'll bite, Your a tool? Is that a good enough strawman for you?

Really? Where have you been? Hiding under some rock? Dust development has been scaled back alot and a huge majority of the CCP development team is back on Eve Online. They're cranking out more content than they normally have done before the next expansion. But hey pubbie, you can believe whatever you want.

Even if Dust 514 comes to reality, I would just teamkill you all pubbies with my dreadnought to show you how terrible of a concept it is.

Im glad YOU said that..... anyway with respect now, you think we can stay ON TOPIC, rather than derailing it. We wouldnt want to get banned for trolling now would we..

Trolling how? I'm disputing your questions and tactics to try to resort to cheap tactics in getting the CSM team dismissed for none other than that they don't represent your best interest, Second Life Redux.

Really? Where have you been? Hiding under some rock? Dust development has been scaled back alot and a huge majority of the CCP development team is back on Eve Online. They're cranking out more content than they normally have done before the next expansion. But hey pubbie, you can believe whatever you want.

Even if Dust 514 comes to reality, I would just teamkill you all pubbies with my dreadnought to show you how terrible of a concept it is.

Eurogamer: What impact do these changes have on World of Darkness? Is there still a roadmap for its development and eventual release?

Hilmar P+¬tursson: World of Darkness is now a smaller team. As we now really need to focus on Eve and Dust, we have a smaller team than before and it's less coupled into our development process. We were running a very integrated plan which led to a lot of energy being spent on coordination, which drew energy out of actual proper value being generated. We're hoping that by focusing the company more, we have a better chance to make progress - especially on Dust and Eve.

I'm proud of being a tool to show pubbies that they are horribly ill prepared they are for accepting the reality of this game.

Here you guys go. http://www.secondlife.com/ Go put on your furry suits and stay there.

I don't think this is true. Dust is too far into development to scale back on. Chances are development was only shifted from the Atlanta team to Eve, where the Dust crew stayed the same.

As we reexamine our outward relations, we are also taking time to reevaluate our internal goals. In doing so, we have come to the conclusion that we are attempting too many things for a company our size. Developing EVE expansions, DUST 514 and World of Darkness has stretched our resources too thin.

The CSM was developed to be a sort of "class president" of Eve.

Sorry but your not, i asked you to stay on topic, so i have had to report you..sorry..

Bai bai null sec only run CSM seats...


Cry moar...
It wont save your space... I mean... Seat.

The current upcoming winter patch is a good example of bad influences by currupt CSMs More interested in self gain for there particular alliance rather than EVE community gain.

+1 for a purge

Err. You do realize YOUR the one who disregarded what I said and just made a comment about my alliance, which then started the discussion about K.com. You derailed your own thread. Go report yourself.

I think you just errrr 'revealed your alts'...

Okay please take our space away from us. Oh by the way where do you live? Oh you're a pubbie trainie experiencing this wonderful brilliant game. Maybe you should be more involved in learning this game and less involved on this forum. But I can't stop you because you want to RAGE RAGE RAGE AGAINST THE..... CSM?

Are you seriously that paranoid? First you accused me of being Mittani and are you accusing me of being that person? I must be omnipotent.

Are not goons supposed to be pro new guy?
Are you not a recruitment officer?

Why are you shitting on "pubbie's" in ever other post?

I must be omnipotent.

The current up & coming winter patch being what it is, a failure, is however a good example of bad influences by currupt CSMs More interested in self gain for there particular alliance rather than EVE community gain.

+1 for a purge

Purge how? Is this synonymous for "Ban the goonies, they're killing my mining bots! :("

1: They didn't

2: The Mittani was anything but critical in his view towards incarna and MT

3: Vile Rat didn't even care about buying golden scorpions with Aurum

4: CSM was late jumping on the bandwagon and is now some are trying to claim victory while all they did was ride along.

I think you just errrr 'revealed your alts'...

Dude you posted that remark with

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
**********.

Unless he thinks he is you...

Ansolutely agree with Hilmar on this one. The current CSM has done some good things, but let's not kid ourselves. Rarely are Goons good for the overall playing experience of an MMO. Mittani is looking out for himself and his own lulz, not anyone else's. And before he pipes in and says "But I supported the super cap nerf and I have super caps!" -- you also have more players than your potential targets, so weakening their supers really just makes them easier for you to take down. It's not selfless, it's blatantly self serving.

LOL goons are aweful thats just a fact, dont belittle yourself by calling others bots, when every other goon is a bot.

Supers are bad and make the game bad, and this is a bad post and you should feel bad.

The "whole community" is limited to 10-15% of the population as that is the amount of people who care enough about Eve to vote in the CSM elections.
The remaining 85-90% of people have NO SAY in the matter AT ALL! They chose not to participate and thus forfeit their rights to ***** and moan over anything not directly consumer related (which is covered by RL laws).

What CCP needs to do is tweak the election process for future CSM's to ensure that the members have a more even spread and represent all walks of life (in Eve) .. plus add a blank vote option as that is sorely needed.

Pubbies don't feel bad, they just get dumber with each new thread.

Ansolutely agree with Hilmar on this one. The current CSM has done some good things, but let's not kid ourselves. Rarely are Goons good for the overall playing experience of an MMO. Mittani is looking out for himself and his own lulz, not anyone else's. And before he pipes in and says "But I supported the super cap nerf and I have super caps!" -- you also have more players than your potential targets, so weakening their supers really just makes them easier for you to take down. It's not selfless, it's blatantly self serving.

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

Seriously stop trolling dude - stay on topic...

Supers are bad and make the game bad, and this is a bad post and you should feel bad.

I was pretty disappointed for the CSM allowing NeX for "vanity" items to slip in the game at all.

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

Make high sec wars virtually invalid.

derp

Okay so report the bots you find. You're more than welcome to. We don't exist to please you pubbies, we exist to make your high-sec life hell. See: this thread for example.

I think you just errrr 'revealed your alts'...

Dude you posted that remark with

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
**********.

Unless he thinks he is you...

I don't disagree. But it was hardly a selfless act and in the end will just allow Goons to expand territory. A truly selfless act would have been to nerf supercaps and work out a way to make holding massive amounts of space all but impossible. Split up null into lots of little competing parts.

Funny how Goons want to disrupt and weaken high sec and wormholes but sure don't have any problems keeping blob warfare and massive power blocs around in null.

Personally, stop all the open voting. CSMees should basically be interviewed by senior CCP Management. That panel then decides whos in the CSM. Having 5000 of your own alliance mates voting for you, well its a given and pretty much rigged voting.

But anyway I still think CSM should be just removed. Yes some things have happened, but 95% hasnt, and tbh since CSM inception eve as got in the state it has now.. So has it an impact? Well negatively then ..surely...

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

ROFL@U and your brain cell. Theres rarely ever anything worthwhile to acknowledge from the mouth of a Goon, usually total nonesence or for self gain regardless of the impact on EVE community, or even more commonly a mixture of both.

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

"The supercap nerf is a good change but the goons support it because IT BENEFITS THEM so it shouldn't be changed!!!!"

i love your logic

I don't disagree. But it was hardly a selfless act and in the end will just allow Goons to expand territory.

A truly selfless act would have been to nerf supercaps and work out a way to make holding massive amounts of space all but impossible. Split up null into lots of little competing parts.

How would you have them "disallow" the NeX store from going ahead, exactly? Attack the NeX development team with Molotov cocktails while they were at the spring summit?

Or do you just mean that the CSM should have made some feeble token gesture of protest, that CCP would have completely ignored and gone ahead anyway?

Well i for one am not in favour of dumping the CSM elect....

Only because at a time like this, it's simply not a good thing to do. There is a time and a place for it, and that time has past.

I for one think CCP should introduce a new charter for every newly elected CSM member to represent the community of EVE. Literally. They should:

- Put up regular posts in a dedicated CSM forum here
- have voting buttons on what they think they should bring to CCPs attention, so the people can say 'yes please raise this issue' or 'no, thats not important' etc.
- Have CCP moderate the votes to allow only 1 vote per account and watch to see if the majority of votes are coming from 1 bloc only.
- The CSm must not be allowed to push their own agenda directly to CCP. They are there for the players ONLY. If they have an idea on a change, then they should propose it and promote discussion and debate about it.
- If CCP proposes a change to the CSM, then the CSM MUST convey that proposal to said forums and promote discussion and debate as to weather it is good/needed etc.

I don't want to see accountability.

I want to see transparacy, non bias and fairness from the CSM to and from CCP and us.

I think all these conditions (as an example) are fair. They should be straight forward to implement and would have no impact at all upon any NDAs under any circumstances.

Yes I'm his alt. Or is he my alt? Iam confused. I'm not like you(iam guessing by character age) and don't need to hide behind alts. I have never been in Goons or have any alts in goons, actually I have no alts since all my other accounts are canceled. Then again you will believe whatever you want to believe.

The fact of the matter is that what you've done with this thread is spin Hilmars words into a anti-goons speech. What Hilmar was talking about was not goons our any issues within the current CSM itself. He was talking about the CSM process and how the current CSM is majority if not all 0,0 delegates. The issues that he was talking about was that non 0,0 areas where not properly represented.

Hilmar if you remove the CSM I will guarantee you at least six more months of subs on this account and all 52 of my monocled accounts.

Completely redesigning whole swathes of the sov system, on the other hand, is not something that can be bashed out for an expansion due in a few weeks.

Not what I said, but people with weak arguments often have to put words into their opponents mouths to make a point so I'll overlook it.

Let's use a real world example: nuclear weapons. And before you start your inevitable whine about comparisons to the real world, it's called an analogy. Look it up in the dictionary.

Country A and country B both have nuclear weapons. The traditional army of country A is twice as large as country B. Country A manages to convince country B that both sides would be better off if all nuclear weapons were destroyed. And so they sign a treaty and abolish all their nuclear weapons. Now, with the equalizer gone, who is at a massive numerical advantage? Country A.

OP is:

a) A troll
b) a tard
c) Both of the above.

Please vote and then be prepared for a thread saying the vote was rigged 'cos of Falcon / Goons or any such meme.




[Edited for stoopid speeling]

Not what I said, but people with weak arguments often have to put words into their opponents mouths to make a point so I'll overlook it.

Let's use a real world example: nuclear weapons. And before you start your inevitable whine about comparisons to the real world, it's called an analogy. Look it up in the dictionary.

Country A and country B both have nuclear weapons. The traditional army of country A is twice as large as country B. Country A manages to convince country B that both sides would be better off if all nuclear weapons were destroyed. And so they sign a treaty and abolish all their nuclear weapons. Now, with the equalizer gone, who is at a massive numerical advantage? Country A.

No try read it again. It said Goons AND nullsec powermads. Im sorry but this game DOES NOT need people like Goons ruinng the game anymore. Its killing eve. Simple Fact. Im sorry it is... People like DRF are also ruining the game too. But goons are the people who all they care about is making eve a misery for people. Is this really the future of eve? Because if it is, then goodbye eve. Might as well shut up shop now. Can the game...

People and eve have moved on from 5 years ago, yes it was ok back then becuase it didnt effect many people. Now its affecting thousands more. Which in return is affecting the game, badly.
CCP needs to implement some drastic fundamental changes in eve for it to retain new and yes old players. Its ok for me and you, we may player longer we may not. But theres gonna be a drop off point where all the bitter vets have gone, and then whose left?
No one... and will you care? no ofc you wont..

Go biomass your characters and do us all a favor.

We've been around for years and we will continue to be around. Sorry, just because you wish for it to happen doesn't mean we will magically go away. We exist to make life hell for you. That's the point of this game. I can blow your ship up, I can prevent you from mining, I can scam, I can hire privateers to chase your butt down, etc. All while you scream "SAVE ME CONCORD, SAVE ME CCP :( BAN THOSE MEAN GOONIES."

What was that you said?

I couldn't hear you through the **** in your mouth.

TBH this is turning into an Anti-goon speech.



This should have nothing to do with the Goons, this is about CCP and how they run business. Goons are good for the game in all reality, bias CSM is not.

We've been around for years and we will continue to be around. Sorry, just because you wish for it to happen doesn't mean we will magically go away. We exist to make life hell for you. That's the point of this game. I can blow your ship up, I can prevent you from mining, I can scam, I can hire privateers to chase your butt down, etc. All while you scream "SAVE ME CONCORD, SAVE ME CCP :( BAN THOSE MEAN GOONIES."

reported for trolling

What was that you said?

I couldn't hear you through the **** in your mouth.

1) They do that in their own blogging efforts, tentonhammer, k.com, and other various sites. You're just not looking hard enough.
2) They did that. The Empire pubbies just didn't care
3) Again they did implement that function which I was able to vote 1 vote per account that I owned.
4) They do that job because they represent the people who voted for their platform. Are they supposed to be an empty slate platform going "Vote for me, I got nothing."
5) They consistently do that especially censuring the minutes which got them in trouble.

Hiding under a rock have you?

What was inaccurate about it? We literally pay our own people to go hunt miners. How does that not fit the definition of privateering? Do I have to fit a specific definition that only you have?

So much of CCP's RL ISK comes from empire and "pubbie's"
If CCP wants to be successful they will have to cater to these people as well.

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

Im sorry but this game DOES NOT need people like Goons ruinng the game anymore. Its killing eve. Simple Fact.

1) is not EVEonline.com
2) They obviously didn't do that
3) That function needs to be streamlined into eveonline.com forums better
4) At least 5 CSm members got in from just voting bloc power. I voted for Whitetree because he was in TEST the same time i was. He also said he was pushing hard for a hybrid/Gallente buff, i am really glad that has been won
5) Like i said, there is a lot to discuss that is not locked up under the NDA lock and key. New ideas the CSM members has. Permissable ideas to be discussed (eg new capital ship ideas etc)

Transparacy. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't mind if Brother Mittens is pushing hard to nerf ABC in low end WHs, as long as either his idea is supported by the players, or the players pushed that idea to him.

I don't want CSM members pushign their own agenda, or something that they have not discussed at all with anyone who has access to eveonline.com. I do not want to go view a short story at a third party website when it directly relates to EVE development.

No try read it again. It said Goons AND nullsec powermads. Im sorry but this game DOES NOT need people like Goons ruinng the game anymore. Its killing eve. Simple Fact. Im sorry it is... People like DRF are also ruining the game too. But goons are the people who all they care about is making eve a misery for people. Is this really the future of eve? Because if it is, then goodbye eve. Might as well shut up shop now. Can the game...

People and eve have moved on from 5 years ago, yes it was ok back then becuase it didnt effect many people. Now its affecting thousands more. Which in return is affecting the game, badly.
CCP needs to implement some drastic fundamental changes in eve for it to retain new and yes old players. Its ok for me and you, we may player longer we may not. But theres gonna be a drop off point where all the bitter vets have gone, and then whose left?
No one... and will you care? no ofc you wont..

What i meant was - 'lol privateers' not the most scary of adversaries..

1) Ohh wahhh, you're selectively cherry picking where you want them to post. They do their job, you just want them to bend over backwards and give you what they want. Until they're told to post on CCP's website, this is a CCP oversight. They do blog about their efforts consistently.
2) Yes they do. That's why it's a CSM team and they raise issues that are most important to them and the people that their people voted for them on their platform
3) It was streamlined into the freaking account when you log on. "Do you want to vote in the CSM? Click here" in a propaganda advertisement similar to any article they deem posting. Because Empire pubbies dismisses it, it's not CCP's fault or is it the CSM's team for ignoring the election.
5) Again NDA will always apply and that's the unfortunate process of any development in commercial products. If you want CCP to change their way, become a minority or majority controller of the company.

I have said this before, I want my interests and the interests of my friends addressed.
I want representatives who recognize my play style and the playing style of people like me.

The current CSM, and most of the CSM's before that, are not giving me that "feeling". They are elected representatives that should be representing all of EVE online, from mining in empire to null sec. Their primary concern should be game balancing in every aspect of the game...

If they can't do that then there is no point in having them.

At the very least we could use an Empire CSM, Low Sec CSM and Null Sec CSM (or something). What we have now can only steer CCP in the wrong direction, and I believe has. Purposefully or not, It doesn't really matter, because a null sec only CSM cannot fulfill the above requirements. These are important requirements.

No ones "idea" of how the game should be played should take precedence over anyone else's.
CSM's must be fair, neutral and courteous in order to fulfill their intended roll.
Else they are useless to everyone.

You don't even read or comprehend well, do you? We pay our own people to go act as privateers. We've killed over 1200 exhumers to date since the beginning of the ice interdiction / privateering effort.
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/shipgroup/Exhumer

Never stop posting

I too get upset when my worldview is wrong and I am proved repeatedly to be a petulant infant.

They don't give you that warm feeling inside because they're not fighting to buff your mission bots / isk return. You got Trebor and that other person what's his name? Whatever. The current CSM got voted because they presented their platforms they believe in and also gained the favor of their own alliances because they share similar feelings.

PS: Use enter's less. Makes you look like you are skilled in grammar.

Please refrain from personal attacks thank you..

I apologise you said Privateers.. thats all, not your own privs.

Large alliance coming into highsec, ruining all the new players experience.. awesome.. no wonder new players dont stay playing the game.. and you say your good for eve?

I am well motivated.

I see you did not make any attempt at refuting the claim that you are pleasuring mitten's reproductive organ with your mouth, and thus we can only conclude it is true.

That leaves only two questions; is it for love or favors, and does he clean himself daily?

BTW, I do like the OP, and wish him luck in the future for what ever ice mining venture he partakes in.

It's just too bad ur pretty **** at it. Who sponsored you into the gewnies? I would like to chastise them.

I have said this before, I want my interests and the interests of my friends addressed.
I want representatives who recognize my play style and the playing style of people like me.


The current CSM, and most of the CSM's before that, are not giving me that "feeling". They are elected representatives that should be representing all of EVE online, from mining in empire to null sec. Their primary concern should be game balancing in every aspect of the game...


If they can't do that then there is no point in having them.




At the very least we could use an Empire CSM, Low Sec CSM and Null Sec CSM (or something). What we have now can only steer CCP in the wrong direction, and I believe has. Purposefully or not, It doesn't really matter, because a null sec only CSM cannot fulfill the above requirements. These are important requirements.


No ones "idea" of how the game should be played should take precedence over anyone else's.
CSM's must be fair, neutral and courteous in order to fulfill their intended roll.
Else they are useless to everyone.

I have said this before, I want my interests and the interests of my friends addressed.

TBH this is turning into an Anti-goon speech.

CSM's must be fair, neutral and courteous in order to fulfill their intended roll.
Else they are useless to everyone.

[quote=Eternum Praetorian]I have said this before, I want my interests and the interests of my friends addressed.

This makes you different then the current CSM how?

CSM's must be fair, neutral and courteous in order to fulfill their intended roll.
Else they are useless to everyone.

Are you new to the world as well as this game?

This makes you different then the current CSM how?



No, I'm pretty sure goons being mentioned in the second sentence of the OP makes this thread an anti-goon speech.




Are you new to the world as well as this game?

Oh and if I don't like it? HTFU right?

There's no middle ground of discussion, there's no discussion of pros and cons and why or why not this or that should work.. it immediately degenerates into name calling.

As a new player, I don't feel my voice is heard at all, actually I don't think the voice of anyone trying to improve hi-sec in general is heard at all. The mentality in regards to hi-sec is 'if you don't like it, leave'. But I want to like Eve, I'd like to play this game for years to come.

They are elected to represent people like me.
I am not elected to represent myself am I?

They are elected to represent people like me.
I am not elected to represent myself am I?

Too true, the CSM is all wrong at the moment. The problem is letting any goons in there, especially letting Mittani in as chair, and vile rat and other nullsec powermad idiots, big big mistake.

Your answer completely sidesteps my point. You fail completely to address the others. Try again.

They are elected to represent people like me.
I am not elected to represent myself am I?






Are you new to a real-life working business model for a Video game?

They don't give you that warm feeling inside because they're not fighting to buff your mission bots / isk return. You got Trebor and that other person what's his name? Whatever. The current CSM got voted because they presented their platforms they believe in and also gained the favor of their own alliances because they share similar feelings.

PS: Use enter's less. Makes you look like you are skilled in grammar.

And just like in the Middle East, it's revolution time

I too get upset when my worldview is wrong and I am proved repeatedly to be a petulant infant.

Awwww, is someone full of themselves?

While I wouldn't be quite so crass as the poster above me. This does actually illustrate a problem with this CSM. Mittani's personality is quite dominant in that group and it has become apparent its a case of mr Mittani organgrinder and his half dozen monkeys. It does damage the balance of the CSM when its quite obvious only one person is calling the shots and the rest are just acting like beta followers rather than presenting individual and independent viewpoints.

No, it does it just fine.
I, like 99% of the player base, are meant to be represented by our elected representatives, the CSM. That is why they exist, and we should not have to "fly to Iceland" to have our interests communicated.

I don't like the Mittani, and I'm pretty sure from people copy pasting things to me that he doesn't like me either.


But he's worked pretty hard through every possible avenue (Media, direct contact, talking to players, radio speeches) to steer EVE back towards something that doesn't smell like a dying elk.

To deny that is pretty close minded and partial brain death may be responsible.


To help this thread, and my sworn overly-hair gelled-spitcatcher adorned nemesis, I reported all the pubbies in this thread that were so incapable of holding a normal human conversation that they had to result to swearing, insults, and name calling, like Mr.Randomspelledwithnumbers.


If you don't feel you got the representation you needed out of the CSM, there is literally nothing stopping you from creating a platform and running.

Its free.

Anybody can run, and the Nullsec population is dwarfed by the Empire population, if you get the word out, there is literally no way that any 0.0 group can stop you from becoming the CSM chair. Even if every Goon had 4 accounts and voted for their pick, if you got even 1/4 of the Empire population to vote for you, it would be a landslide.

Stop whining for CCP to do something for you, and go do it yourself. That's what EVE is all about, and always has been.

While I wouldn't be quite so crass as the poster above me. This does actually illustrate a problem with this CSM. Mittani's personality is quite dominant in that group and it has become apparent its a case of mr Mittani organgrinder and his half dozen monkeys. It does damage the balance of the CSM when its quite obvious only one person is calling the shots and the rest are just acting like beta followers rather than presenting individual and independent viewpoints.

While I wouldn't be quite so crass as the poster above me. This does actually illustrate a problem with this CSM. Mittani's personality is quite dominant in that group and it has become apparent its a case of mr Mittani organgrinder and his half dozen monkeys. It does damage the balance of the CSM when its quite obvious only one person is calling the shots and the rest are just acting like beta followers rather than presenting individual and independent viewpoints.

Wow, I saw this about 2 hours ago while I was getting ready for work, it now has 9 pages lol

specialy that goon fecker.. ***** should be shot on sight... . ( in game :)

Why would we want to expand territory?

"Oh boy more sov bills to pay for space that nobody uses! Hell yeah!"

"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

I'm betting this thread would not even be here if it wasn't for the war agaist the ice giants.

Nothing but tears and attempts to get back at people doing pvp in a pvp game.

STAY ON TOPIC - I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM REPORTING TROLLS

oh no

you WILL report trolls who mock your horrible thread

*backs slowly out of the forum*

oh no

you might report trolls who mock your horrible thread

*backs slowly out of the forum*

Reported for personal attack.

oh no

you might report trolls who mock your horrible thread

*backs slowly out of the forum*

Reported for no content

Bascially thats just a warning shot saying "certain 0.0 dwellers who will remain nameless, it's time to shut the **** up" but I would like the CSM to continue because apart from some disruptive elements to it it actually does a good job.

I think he has just figured out that some people are getting a little to big for their boots and it's a polite way of telling them to calm down a bit.

fixed that for you - its quite a serious thread m8. But as usual the goon squad make a mokery of anything thats remotely serious about this game..

Eurogamer: So you can confirm that the situation with CCP today is only different from that of six months ago because of the recent issues with the Incarna expansion?

Hilmar P+¬tursson: Absolutely. Incarna was the final point of realisation that we were trying to do too much at the same time. We were creating avatar tech for two games, integrating in a single code branch with teams around the world all contributing. It was a very ambitious thing and we didn't do it well enough. We're taking that in and addressing that. We've learned a lot, and we will certainly do everything we can to avoid those mistakes again.