Ansolutely agree with Hilmar on this one. The current CSM has done some good things, but let's not kid ourselves. Rarely are Goons good for the overall playing experience of an MMO. Mittani is looking out for himself and his own lulz, not anyone else's. And before he pipes in and says "But I supported the super cap nerf and I have super caps!" -- you also have more players than your potential targets, so weakening their supers really just makes them easier for you to take down. It's not selfless, it's blatantly self serving.

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

Seriously stop trolling dude - stay on topic...

Supers are bad and make the game bad, and this is a bad post and you should feel bad.

I was pretty disappointed for the CSM allowing NeX for "vanity" items to slip in the game at all.

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

Make high sec wars virtually invalid.

derp

Okay so report the bots you find. You're more than welcome to. We don't exist to please you pubbies, we exist to make your high-sec life hell. See: this thread for example.

I think you just errrr 'revealed your alts'...

Dude you posted that remark with

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
**********.

Unless he thinks he is you...

I don't disagree. But it was hardly a selfless act and in the end will just allow Goons to expand territory. A truly selfless act would have been to nerf supercaps and work out a way to make holding massive amounts of space all but impossible. Split up null into lots of little competing parts.

Funny how Goons want to disrupt and weaken high sec and wormholes but sure don't have any problems keeping blob warfare and massive power blocs around in null.

Personally, stop all the open voting. CSMees should basically be interviewed by senior CCP Management. That panel then decides whos in the CSM. Having 5000 of your own alliance mates voting for you, well its a given and pretty much rigged voting.

But anyway I still think CSM should be just removed. Yes some things have happened, but 95% hasnt, and tbh since CSM inception eve as got in the state it has now.. So has it an impact? Well negatively then ..surely...

Why not make it so that; unless you are a trial, when election time rolls around you need to cast a ballot to actually get past the character selection screen? I think that would get a more evenly distributed pool of voters that I'm doubting the goons could effectively combat with ballot stuffing.

ROFL@U and your brain cell. Theres rarely ever anything worthwhile to acknowledge from the mouth of a Goon, usually total nonesence or for self gain regardless of the impact on EVE community, or even more commonly a mixture of both.

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

"The supercap nerf is a good change but the goons support it because IT BENEFITS THEM so it shouldn't be changed!!!!"

i love your logic

I don't disagree. But it was hardly a selfless act and in the end will just allow Goons to expand territory.

A truly selfless act would have been to nerf supercaps and work out a way to make holding massive amounts of space all but impossible. Split up null into lots of little competing parts.

How would you have them "disallow" the NeX store from going ahead, exactly? Attack the NeX development team with Molotov cocktails while they were at the spring summit?

Or do you just mean that the CSM should have made some feeble token gesture of protest, that CCP would have completely ignored and gone ahead anyway?

Well i for one am not in favour of dumping the CSM elect....

Only because at a time like this, it's simply not a good thing to do. There is a time and a place for it, and that time has past.

I for one think CCP should introduce a new charter for every newly elected CSM member to represent the community of EVE. Literally. They should:

- Put up regular posts in a dedicated CSM forum here
- have voting buttons on what they think they should bring to CCPs attention, so the people can say 'yes please raise this issue' or 'no, thats not important' etc.
- Have CCP moderate the votes to allow only 1 vote per account and watch to see if the majority of votes are coming from 1 bloc only.
- The CSm must not be allowed to push their own agenda directly to CCP. They are there for the players ONLY. If they have an idea on a change, then they should propose it and promote discussion and debate about it.
- If CCP proposes a change to the CSM, then the CSM MUST convey that proposal to said forums and promote discussion and debate as to weather it is good/needed etc.

I don't want to see accountability.

I want to see transparacy, non bias and fairness from the CSM to and from CCP and us.

I think all these conditions (as an example) are fair. They should be straight forward to implement and would have no impact at all upon any NDAs under any circumstances.

Yes I'm his alt. Or is he my alt? Iam confused. I'm not like you(iam guessing by character age) and don't need to hide behind alts. I have never been in Goons or have any alts in goons, actually I have no alts since all my other accounts are canceled. Then again you will believe whatever you want to believe.

The fact of the matter is that what you've done with this thread is spin Hilmars words into a anti-goons speech. What Hilmar was talking about was not goons our any issues within the current CSM itself. He was talking about the CSM process and how the current CSM is majority if not all 0,0 delegates. The issues that he was talking about was that non 0,0 areas where not properly represented.

Hilmar if you remove the CSM I will guarantee you at least six more months of subs on this account and all 52 of my monocled accounts.

Completely redesigning whole swathes of the sov system, on the other hand, is not something that can be bashed out for an expansion due in a few weeks.

Not what I said, but people with weak arguments often have to put words into their opponents mouths to make a point so I'll overlook it.

Let's use a real world example: nuclear weapons. And before you start your inevitable whine about comparisons to the real world, it's called an analogy. Look it up in the dictionary.

Country A and country B both have nuclear weapons. The traditional army of country A is twice as large as country B. Country A manages to convince country B that both sides would be better off if all nuclear weapons were destroyed. And so they sign a treaty and abolish all their nuclear weapons. Now, with the equalizer gone, who is at a massive numerical advantage? Country A.