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DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:44:00 -
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http://themittani.com/news/industrial-homogenization-no-more
Since I can't keep my thoughts on this to a couple of condensed paragraphs, I made you another article Rise. |
Jinde Usoko
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:56:00 -
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So many Goon tears here. Looks like CCP is going in the right direction! +1 to changes! |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:39:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:Overall excellent changes, just one thing, will the special edition Ity 4 get any bigger Ore hold? The special edition ships are kind of odd.. Right now I have them set basically as Iteron Vs that are slightly better. I think they should probably stay that way since having a specialized hold seems strange for a ship that goes out for special events to a broad set of players.
Special Edition Iterons are all manufactured by (or least have the paint job of) the Quafe Corp., right? Give them a special Quafe bay. 50,000m^3 of the good stuff. Maybe even make the hold bigger. For the super awesome special Quafe Ultramarine edition Iteron, give it the 50,000m^3 (at least) Quafe bay, and an additional bay for chips. Probably Doritos. Yeah.
That's nice. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:46:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We are going to go ahead and bump the unpacked volume on the Hoarder significantly (up to 400000) to avoid any major issues with compression. This gives it the same packed volume to cargo ratio that the Iteron V has currently.
Snipped the important part of the quote.
Will someone explain the ratio that he's taking about here for me? I don't quite get its significance. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
198
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:03:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We are going to go ahead and bump the unpacked volume on the Hoarder significantly (up to 400000) to avoid any major issues with compression. This gives it the same packed volume to cargo ratio that the Iteron V has currently. Snipped the important part of the quote. Will someone explain the ratio that he's taking about here for me? I don't quite get its significance.
It has to do with mineral compression (which is how nullsec gets enough minerals to build capitals and supers). Essentially build ammo in highsec which takes up less room than the minerals, load into hauler (or Hoarder's ammo bay in the future), then load that into carrier in lowsec. Jump to nullsec, unload ammo, reprocess.
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Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
17
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:22:00 -
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Thorne Zyman wrote: I can only think of one example of a cargo fit ship which isn't a T1 or T2 industrial (or ORE Industrial) and that's the ol' Honour Tanked Revelation.
Really? How much liquid ozone does an ibis hold without cargohold expanders?
Disposable rookie cynos, man. |
Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
17
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:25:00 -
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Anna Sharisa wrote:Good change but for prfessionnal miner we need a better cargo with ore bay, 42000m3 is not enough,
we need to put 2, 3 maybe 4 can for useful industrial ship
actualy if you mine in small grp you have nothing good at small cost for hauling ore
- Retriver have 27500m3 (1can) 40m isk - Mackinaw have 35000m3 (about 1.4can) 200m isk
-actual industral ship 38000m3(about 1.5can) 15m isk
after we have the big ship -Orca about 200000m3 (about 7.4 can) 700m isk
we need someting between mack/iteron V and orca, with ore bay 90000m3 to 110000m3 capacity (about 4 can)
actualy i use mackinaw for hauling my ore, only good ship wiht capacity and good not bad shield for low sec
btw: sry for my english
After skill bonuses, it's more like 61,000m3.
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Edward Pierce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:29:00 -
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Daedra Blue wrote:This is awesome i finally have a reason to train something else other then gallente industrial. \o/ 10+ I love seeing proper use of sarcasm on these forums. |
Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
17
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:35:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We are going to go ahead and bump the unpacked volume on the Hoarder significantly (up to 400000) to avoid any major issues with compression. This gives it the same packed volume to cargo ratio that the Iteron V has currently. Snipped the important part of the quote. Will someone explain the ratio that he's taking about here for me? I don't quite get its significance.
He's talking about the ratio of (Hold Size) : (Size of the ship).
The Hoarder at full skills, for example, would be: 61,500m3 of ammo bay to 400,000m3 of volume. (61500:400000), for a final ratio of 1:6.5 - so each m3 of ammo space takes up 6.5m3 of hangar space.
The Iteron V, at current volume and posted cargo amounts, is 37,152m3 of cargo to 275,000m3 of volume, for a final ratio of 1:7.4 - a little worse than the Hoarder, but not limited to ammunition - which matters, because the 'normal' compression method for minerals isn't actually ammo, it's T1 guns.
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:02:00 -
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I understand the compression bit, I was unclear on how the unpackaged volume of the ship mattered. I assumed the pilot would fly the ship to the destination, but now I see that they would stick Hoarders -full of ammo- (or whatever) in a jump freighter and make their trip that way. Thanks for answering.
Also, thanks MailDeadDrop for the attempt, but I really can't brain some times.
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Akemi Kiyoura
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
4
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:08:00 -
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Akemi Kiyoura wrote:I still think we need something in between the Itty V and an Orca/Freighter. The difference in cost between the two hulls, not to mention the training time for the Orca/Freighter compared to an Itty V is borderline irrational.
There needs to be something that has at most 80k m3 of cargo. Why at most? To scale it with the rest of the indy freight hulls. bump for justice. |
Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice
57
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:39:00 -
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Quote:I still think we need something in between the Itty V and an Orca/Freighter. The difference in cost between the two hulls, not to mention the training time for the Orca/Freighter compared to an Itty V is borderline irrational.
There needs to be something that has at most 80k m3 of cargo. Why at most? To scale it with the rest of the indy freight hulls.
Somewhere, I had the idea that one should introduce a seperate group of viable in-between ships that are "missing" (as mentioned above in the quote). ORE is a good example for the introduction of the Orca; Orca being a real VESSEL.
It is big, it does the job - and though a bit too effective, it is clearly awesome. It requires dedication and it is an impressive teamwork-focused vessel that can do various industrial related tasks. And I like that literally command ship type of vessels. (hello Homeworld:Cataclysm)
Had this idea once, and maybe it is not much of a brainfart after all. Following that idea, maybe there could be an emphasis on this Vessel Class topic afte rall; As in officially introducing a bracket that is subcap, but (much) larger than BC/BS.
I'd almost say, lets copies of the current industrial ships and having them be much larger with their respective upclassed designs, including a Noctis hull for PI, in there too.
They'd have the size to suffice anything around being dedicated haulers with special bays, PI, etc - Orca could still be boss in terms of T1 hauling etc. And creative minds could come up with a decent Orca <-> Freighter inbetweener, if necessary or desired.
So - We could have combat variants (meaning a different gameplay and style of ships) too, and the industrial ones that could tackle all the problems the current/upcoming T1 Industrials may have.
Toss in an industrial ship contest and voila.
Has to be well thought through though, and as usual, it is likely too early to have such for the game currently how it is.
But to reiterate, I really think there should be a VESSEL-class bracket; seperating from the more agile Frig <-> BS bracket and introducing this "Vessel ruleset" . They could also have shipbonuses that use "unusual skills" - Science Industrial Ship -> /Science Skills, /Industrial skills.
Lots of stuff could be played around with, but that would require a thread. Whatever, just something to think about.
Or it could just be an alternative so that there is that bridge between Orca <-> Freighter. Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Maximus Tyberius
Darklight Shipyards
0
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:16:00 -
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Maybe someone already proposed this: but anyway
To minimize the unequalities, just give Caldari and Amarr at least 1 extra industrial...
For caldari this is extremely easy... Reskin the bustard and make it Badger III (as it originally was intended to)
For amarr it is a little more tricky...perhaps adding some container like structures under the Sigil's belly, and reskin and call it Sigil Mk II Other names: Emblem, Chevron, Insignia ..(just sayin)
Some other ideas : Give Non-Gallente races a frigate-sized industrial, as easy as to attach giant secure container horizontally to a rookie ship (example) http://imageshack.us/a/img547/7484/a6eu.jpg
So we get:
: Iteron mk I = Cheap and flimsy throwaway industrial, no special ability : Iteron mk II = agile and tanky : Iteron Mk III = Special Ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold) : Iteron Mk IV = Fast subwarp and Fast warp (6 AU), but VERY reduced cargohold (Itty IV model is too small for its cargo hold!) : Iteron Mk V = Big Cargo
: Wreathe = agile and tanky : Hoarder = Special Ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold) : Mammoth = Big Cargo
: Badger I = agile and tanky : Badger II = special ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold) : Badger III (reskinned bustard) = Big Cargo
: Sigil = agile and tanky : Sigil Mk II = (reskinned sigil) special ability in between (ore hold, gas hold, PI hold) : Bestower = Big Cargo
Is all right for the bestower to have the biggest hold, cause it looks bigger than the Itty V.. ( I'm one of the guys that trained gallente industrial 5)
Well, there's some crazy Ideas, hope it helps...
Keep the good work! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
563
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:41:00 -
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I think some of you are very blatantly (maybe it's deliberate?) missing the point that there isn't going to be any third "major revision" of these ships despite your insistence that there should be one. As such, you're really wasting a lot of time and burying everyone else's more-realistic suggestions under your wishful thinking.
That being said, people who wish for the Iteron V to lose some cargo space in order to balance Gallente out better and stop some of the people who are saying "Now there literally is no reason to train anything other than Gallente except being an idiot" are forgetting that the Iteron V is mostly stuck at its current cargo space because of the insufferable firestorm of whining and rageposting that would happen if it lost even half a cubic meter of space. I absolutely agree that the Iteron V should have the lowest max cargo of all the "cargo-focused" industrials, but that impending firestorm of whine.. I dunno about having to deal with that.
Give the sigil a second turret mount, make refined gas and ice products fit into the mineral hold, let POS fuel fit into the ammo/charge hold (and maybe, maybe make it a fleet hold) and call the changes done. |
Taleden
North Wind Local no. 612
42
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:04:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I absolutely agree that the Iteron V should have the lowest max cargo of all the "cargo-focused" industrials, but that impending firestorm of whine.. I dunno about having to deal with that.
Or, they could just change the special bay capacity bonus of the Iteron II-IV and Hoarder to use the ORE Industrial skill, while the ships themselves retain the racial industrial level 1 skill requirement and velocity bonus.
That way Gallente Industrial skill points are no longer overvalued compared to the other races, but the Iteron V doesn't require any rage-inducing nerfs and art doesn't have to spend any time rebranding the ships as ORE industrials. Everyone's happy. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1218
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:08:00 -
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Taleden wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I absolutely agree that the Iteron V should have the lowest max cargo of all the "cargo-focused" industrials, but that impending firestorm of whine.. I dunno about having to deal with that. Or, they could just change the special bay capacity bonus of the Iteron II-IV and Hoarder to use the ORE Industrial skill, while the ships themselves retain the racial industrial level 1 skill requirement and velocity bonus. That way Gallente Industrial skill points are no longer overvalued compared to the other races, but the Iteron V doesn't require any rage-inducing nerfs and art doesn't have to spend any time rebranding the ships as ORE industrials. Everyone's happy. No. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:10:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Tiber Ibis wrote: This is what I am thinking to be honest. The gallente general purpose haulers need to be the worst, or at least not as good as they are right now. The specialised haulers are so good that it seems unfair to make the gallente general purpose haulers this good also. My thoughts would be to make the iteron V a specialised hauler as well and remove the normal cargo space.
The issue is what would it be used for? I believe it was said that there was a technical reason preventing a POS fueler on this pass. (Tho in my opinion it would be better to combine all POS operations into a dedicated t2 rebalance) Actually. Perhaps it could be used to give a good in game test of the cargo bay that isn't affected by expanders that was mentioned earlier? One option, make the Itty V carry gas, then make the Itty IV carry regular ore. Another option could be make the Itty V carry unpacakged ships. Another option make it carry ship modules. Literally tonnes of option available. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
509
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:16:00 -
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Thorne Zyman wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
It is sort of circular that Industrials are designed around a specific fit.
I don't know about changing the way expanders work. That would probably break a lot of other common fits outside of T1 Industrials.
But separate bays that aren't effected by cargo expanders means we could get out of the rut of balancing Industrial ships under the assumption they will all be fit with 3 T1 cargo rigs and a T2 expander in every low slot. Just use the racial industrial skill to increase Industrial bay size. That way, ships can be given a balancing pass where the cargo capacity is one thing, and classifying the ship as being best HP, speed, or agility can be done with all available fitting space on the table.
I can only think of one example of a cargo fit ship which isn't a T1 or T2 industrial (or ORE Industrial) and that's the ol' Honour Tanked Revelation. Adding a stacking nerf to them will fix the "all lows and rigs got to expanders" issue without changing the ships that occasionally fit one or two cargo expanders (eg, barges, some frigs, etc).
Cyno ships, salvage destroyers, Noctii, Orcas, Rorquals, T2 Industrials, mining battleships, who knows what else.
Changing expanders is beyond the scope of T1 Industrial balances and could have a lot of unintended consequences. Most notably is that is would break T2 Industrials before they get there own rebalance.
If they can put separeate bays in Iteron II - IV, they can do it to all of them. Come up with a base line for the general cargo ones, a bit bigger on the resitricted bays, a little small on the fleet hangers. Leave a decent sized expandable cargo if people still want to expand it. I can see the PI hauler being one that you would want expanders to carry command centers, since the PI only bay probably can't carry those. Once you are done dropping command centers, refit to something more suitable to just hauling PI stuff. Or some one hauling ore or minerals to market in those specific haulers, and then fit expanders to so small general bay so they can haul back some modules or ammo they bought.
Also, if they just change the base cargo and expander machanics, it still leaves the restricted bay versions in sort of an odd position. The general versions would still likely be fit for 'max expander' because all people are thinking is packing in a lot of stuff, while the restricted versions get the bonus of haulling a bunch of stuff and fitting WCSs and agility mods, using a 10% to cargo skill bonus to gain volume. You could probably fit out the ore only haulers to be a fast and agile as the Industrials in the 'fast and agile' role, while hauling 2 to 3 times more volume.
I think a separate bay meant for the cargo you are hauling is the cleanest way to get out of the 'max expanded' scheme. It would give value to actually training racial industrial for extra cargo, instead of just training Hull Upgrades II for T2 expanders and picking the ship with the most low slots. It would let people fit the ships for a role and work with the base stats, rather than immediately gimping the speed with expanders and putting a weak shield tank on ships that should fit an armor tank.
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Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice
57
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:29:00 -
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Quote:I think some of you are very blatantly (maybe it's deliberate?) missing the point that there isn't going to be any third "major revision" of these ships despite your insistence that there should be one. As such, you're really wasting a lot of time and burying everyone else's more-realistic suggestions under your wishful thinking.
Nope. We just post because we can. And because it should be said. It's more about finding long term solutions than the trillions of bandaids being applied everywhere. There is always a hole somewhere just because nobody is brining anything bigger.
Likewise, people been posting realistic short term changes too and, well, hello today.
And some of us want to have the industrial ships bracket get the same attention as any other epeen combat vessel out there. Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
29
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:33:00 -
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I just wanted to come on and say thanks. I appreciate that user feedback has been taken into consideration and I think the changes are an awesome compromise between dev wants and player dreams.
I look forward to seeing these new industrials in use, and the theorycrafting that the new revamps will lead to. Bravo. You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Endeavour Starfleet
899
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:37:00 -
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So I was thinking about this and I believe there can be a fair tradeoff for the Iteron V
Make it a poor mans hauler. It gets a bay that can fit anything but loses quite a lot of its cargo potential. - #1 The bay can't be changed by rigs or mods. Only skills. - #2 Max Capactiy is 25 thousand at Gal V
If you do this it will end up making Gallente completely different from the other lines. And better yet you can rebalance the Iteron Mark V to be a poor mans hauler with the build requirements reflecting that. If people don't have to invest in T2 rigs or cargo mods they might start thinking about other fitting options.
Thoughts on this? This is just my early idea based on earlier ideas posted in this thread. |
Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
418
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:37:00 -
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Now, Badgers and Iterons need their names changed for these changes to be spot on perfect. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Saeka Tyr
Sanctuary of Shadows Renegade Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:38:00 -
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I'm just wondering if we could get two high slots in all the cloaky haulers... |
Justin Thyme
The Salvage and Reclamation Guild
8
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:41:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:So I was thinking about this and I believe there can be a fair tradeoff for the Iteron V
Make it a poor mans hauler. It gets a bay that can fit anything but loses quite a lot of its cargo potential. - #1 The bay can't be changed by rigs or mods. Only skills. - #2 Max Capactiy is 25 thousand at Gal V
If you do this it will end up making Gallente completely different from the other lines. And better yet you can rebalance the Iteron Mark V to be a poor mans hauler with the build requirements reflecting that. If people don't have to invest in T2 rigs or cargo mods they might start thinking about other fitting options.
Thoughts on this? This is just my early idea based on earlier ideas posted in this thread.
Well seeing as how i just rigged mine so it hold more i will selfishly say. I don't like this. Especially as this will be the second time that I'll loose good cargo rigs (millions of isk) because of a change.
Just saying.
"Hunting rats is like mining for scrap metal... and occasionally striking gold"-á I don't shoot people. That would be wrong. I do however shoot Ore Thiev...-- Justin Thyme |
Goldensaver
ArTech Expeditions
191
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:43:00 -
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Still don't see any reason to train anything but Gallente (and maybe Minmatar) industrial to V. Less than a 10% performance difference in any one thing versus the specialized ships, but you get utterly massive speciality bays.
Less than a full frigates worth of difference from the max cargohold in both cases, but where one gets a slightly larger bay, the other gets access to huge speciality bays.
I guess I'm not even going to bother injecting another industrial skill except maybe Minmatar on my Obelisk pilot. I've already got the most important one trained up. Definitely not worth wasting another plex to train up 22 days on another racial industrial.
I mean, if the others will eventually get their own speciality bays (e.g. Caldari gets Fuel, Amarr gets starbase structures, there's a maintenance bay in there somewhere, and maybe something else) then alright. But there isn't a large enough difference in effectiveness to warrant spending 22 days training up any racial industrial skill which doesn't have access to speciality bays. |
Endeavour Starfleet
899
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:43:00 -
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Justin Thyme wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:So I was thinking about this and I believe there can be a fair tradeoff for the Iteron V
Make it a poor mans hauler. It gets a bay that can fit anything but loses quite a lot of its cargo potential. - #1 The bay can't be changed by rigs or mods. Only skills. - #2 Max Capactiy is 25 thousand at Gal V
If you do this it will end up making Gallente completely different from the other lines. And better yet you can rebalance the Iteron Mark V to be a poor mans hauler with the build requirements reflecting that. If people don't have to invest in T2 rigs or cargo mods they might start thinking about other fitting options.
Thoughts on this? This is just my early idea based on earlier ideas posted in this thread. Well seeing as how i just rigged mine so it hold more i will selfishly say. I don't like this. Especially as this will be the second time that I'll loose good cargo rigs (millions of isk) because of a change. Just saying.
Good point. Unlike changes to the other ships that generally made them better. For many existing pilots of the Inty V this would be a bit of a nerf.
So maybe my idea is out of scope for 1.1 but I do think eventually it would be something to change. Would you be more open to the idea being implemented with 3 months heads up? |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
328
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:45:00 -
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Goldensaver wrote:Still don't see any reason to train anything but Gallente (and maybe Minmatar) industrial to V. Less than a 10% performance difference in any one thing versus the specialized ships, but you get utterly massive speciality bays.
Less than a full frigates worth of difference from the max cargohold in both cases, but where one gets a slightly larger bay, the other gets access to huge speciality bays.
I guess I'm not even going to bother injecting another industrial skill except maybe Minmatar on my Obelisk pilot. I've already got the most important one trained up. Definitely not worth wasting another plex to train up 22 days on another racial industrial.
I mean, if the others will eventually get their own speciality bays (e.g. Caldari gets Fuel, Amarr gets starbase structures, there's a maintenance bay in there somewhere, and maybe something else) then alright. But there isn't a large enough difference in effectiveness to warrant spending 22 days training up any racial industrial skill which doesn't have access to speciality bays. Cool story, bro. I can see the value in the other industrial lines.
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Endeavour Starfleet
899
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:47:00 -
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Goldensaver wrote: I mean, if the others will eventually get their own speciality bays (e.g. Caldari gets Fuel, Amarr gets starbase structures, there's a maintenance bay in there somewhere, and maybe something else) then alright. But there isn't a large enough difference in effectiveness to warrant spending 22 days training up any racial industrial skill which doesn't have access to speciality bays.
#1 it seems to be generally agreed that these specialized ships would be better off in the ORE line but CCP can't do that right now due to lack of art assets. This in my opinion will likely end up happening in 2-3 expansions.
#2 My personal hope is that the Tech 2 transports get changed into highly specialized craft. For instance the Caldari being a bay for almost everything POS related. And the Cov Ops one being a capital ship "Milk Cow" tender. |
Goldensaver
ArTech Expeditions
191
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:51:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Goldensaver wrote:Still don't see any reason to train anything but Gallente (and maybe Minmatar) industrial to V. Less than a 10% performance difference in any one thing versus the specialized ships, but you get utterly massive speciality bays.
Less than a full frigates worth of difference from the max cargohold in both cases, but where one gets a slightly larger bay, the other gets access to huge speciality bays.
I guess I'm not even going to bother injecting another industrial skill except maybe Minmatar on my Obelisk pilot. I've already got the most important one trained up. Definitely not worth wasting another plex to train up 22 days on another racial industrial.
I mean, if the others will eventually get their own speciality bays (e.g. Caldari gets Fuel, Amarr gets starbase structures, there's a maintenance bay in there somewhere, and maybe something else) then alright. But there isn't a large enough difference in effectiveness to warrant spending 22 days training up any racial industrial skill which doesn't have access to speciality bays. Cool story, bro. I can see the value in the other industrial lines. Is the value worth 22 days of training? In my eyes, no. |
Endeavour Starfleet
899
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:53:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:http://themittani.com/news/industrial-homogenization-no-more
Since I can't keep my thoughts on this to a couple of condensed paragraphs, I made you another article Rise.
Good article! Would you be willing to comment about my idea for the Iteron Mark V earlier and perhaps write what you think could be done with the Tech 2 transports? |
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