New names for the iterons with special roles plz. They are no longer merely the 3rd or 4th version of the same ship after all :)

Ore hold includes Gas

Mineral hold does not include Gas and Ice products

Ammo hold includes cap charges, nanite paste, bombs, and anything else in the "charge" group I believe (I will confirm this soon).

We talked about doing a POS fueler (and I expect this to be the most legit complaint) but it just isn't possible atm. I can't go into specifics but please trust me here =/

Renaming strikes me as messy, but I'll bring it up with our story department and see what their opinion is.

Hm a few more answers:

Ammo hold will not fit drones

Only the first group is changed to 6au. Maybe I'll update OP with the value listed for the other roles.

All of the stats in OP are base stats with no skills taken into account (except for the potential capacity number listed after base capacity) - More armor than shields is bacause thats how the racial design works usually, no reason to change it here just because you will usually have expanders fit.

Expanders will not affect the new bays.

The PI bay will not hold command centers, and I don't think we'll add a bay for that.

Please don't expect name changes or art changes. I understand why you would want this but I just don't think its going to happen. We aren't going to just call Iterons ORE ships and leave the art the same, and we also aren't going to invest art resources in new modeling (or we would have made extra haulers for Amarr/Caldari), so they will be staying where they are. Name changes are slightly more realistic, but I still doubt the benefit would outweigh the harm. I will still investigate this.

Very happy with your reaction, glad we could figure this out.

The Primae has 2 holds, one for commodities and one for CCs. And to the above poster - the goal here is to provide niche roles to these ships, which is definitely accomplished through the commodities hold alone, as other people above have attested to.

As far as the Orca - Because it does things other than have an Ore hold, I'm not super concerned about the overlap with the Iteron Mark whatever, but I'll check with Fozzie/Ytterbium to see what they think about it.

It doesn't need to have another bay for it, just to allow it in the current one it has =( Adding the ability to fit Command Centers into the bay will increase its usefulness significantly, and in the end, isn't that the goal of these changes?

If my math is right with max expanders and t1 expander rigs Iti 3 should have around 2200 of general cargo spece, enough for 2 command centers.

HOARDER - Ammo bay (This includes anything in the 'charge' group - bombs/cap charges/etc)

Minmatar Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Ammo Bay Capacity
+5% Max Velocity

Slot layout: 3H(+1), 4M(+1), 3L; 2 turrets(+1), 0 launchers
Fittings: 180 PWG(+120), 300 CPU(-350)
Cargo (capacity / Ammo/Charge Bay Capacity): 500(-4600) / 50000m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 840(+566) / 800(-216) / 2100(+1084)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .85(-.15) / 10625000(-875000) / 12.5(-3.4)
Signature radius: 185(+5)
Warp speed: 4.5au/s

If an ore bay includes unrefined ore and ice blocks, does that mean a mineral bay includes refined minerals and refined ice product AKA jump/triage/siege fuel?

Nevermind, just read that it doesn't. I think this is unfortunate. For consistency if nothing else. I do think delivering jump/triage/siege fuel (not fuel blocks, mind you) is a role I would appreciate having filled somehow.

May I suggest this bay should be able to contain drones too? And paste.

May I suggest this bay should be able to contain drones too? And paste.

May I suggest this bay should be able to contain drones too? And paste.

Ore hold includes Gas

Mineral hold does not include Gas and Ice products

Ammo hold includes cap charges, nanite paste, bombs, and anything else in the "charge" group I believe (I will confirm this soon).

We talked about doing a POS fueler (and I expect this to be the most legit complaint) but it just isn't possible atm. I can't go into specifics but please trust me here =/

Renaming strikes me as messy, but I'll bring it up with our story department and see what their opinion is.

Paste it will hold as that is under the ammo and charges group ...

May I suggest this bay should be able to contain drones too? And paste.

Specialized bay (ship hangar) capable of carrying assembled ships. Could limit the volume, but for many in empire I'm sure the capability would be appreciated.