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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.01.19 10:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Sarmaul
the phoon is getting a makeover, we have dev quotes to back it up :). optimal range bonus is becoming a missile bonus.
Which makes it a nice ship for all caldari pilots and anyone else who knows missiles but not projectiles. 
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Miss Awful
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Posted - 2006.01.19 14:10:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Miss Awful on 19/01/2006 14:10:37
Originally by: AlexCA
agreed, need a fourth bonus, also the retribution could do with a high slot swapped to mid slot.
A retribution with another med slot would throw anything out of ballance. You can make suggestions for the vengeance which really needs some improvements.
Anyway, i'd really like to see the jaguar, vengeance and hawk to get some love but im not so sure about the 4th bonus for all afs. In my opionion the enyo, ishkur, harpy and retribution perform quite well. They are great at killing ceptors, t1 frigs, destroyers and even most cruisers. Ive also seen bcs getting shot by single afs.
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Sean Drake
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Posted - 2006.01.19 15:29:00 -
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CCP plz fix the 2nd rate AF'S
Or
Change the name of the hawk to The Dodo
And the jaguar to The Tabby
because then at least we could get a laugh out of them and the names would be better suited
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2006.01.19 16:33:00 -
[274]
Important thread shall not be allowed to die till we get an response. Even if it is just to say half the af's are meant to suck
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Antic
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:01:00 -
[275]
maybe they are just avoiding the thread on purpose because they know how much it annoys us? :P
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.19 22:06:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Sean Drake
CCP plz fix the 2nd rate AF'S
Or
Change the name of the hawk to The Dodo
And the jaguar to The Tabby
because then at least we could get a laugh out of them and the names would be better suited
Rename the Hawk to the Swallow, because of how much it sucks.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Tensa
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Posted - 2006.01.19 22:19:00 -
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Hey let's not forget about the ishkur! It's one of the "2nd rate AF's" even though everyone says it's one of the better AF's... I would just like an added bonus of +10% to drone dmg, hp, and mining per lvl of af skill or something along those lines...
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.19 23:37:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Tensa
Hey let's not forget about the ishkur! It's one of the "2nd rate AF's" even though everyone says it's one of the better AF's... I would just like an added bonus of +10% to drone dmg, hp, and mining per lvl of af skill or something along those lines...
More likely it'll get an MWD or AB related bonus or something similar "extraneously Gallentish". Don't count on that beast getting any damage boni, and there's a few of the AFs who shouldn't in addition to the Ishkur.
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slip66
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Posted - 2006.01.20 00:03:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Miss Awful
Edited by: Miss Awful on 19/01/2006 14:10:37
Originally by: AlexCA
agreed, need a fourth bonus, also the retribution could do with a high slot swapped to mid slot.
A retribution with another med slot would throw anything out of ballance. You can make suggestions for the vengeance which really needs some improvements.
id give up the none gun high slot for a mid. Even a low slot really
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.20 02:19:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Tensa
Hey let's not forget about the ishkur! It's one of the "2nd rate AF's" even though everyone says it's one of the better AF's... I would just like an added bonus of +10% to drone dmg, hp, and mining per lvl of af skill or something along those lines...
You'd see those things costing 100mil minutes after that change would get announced. 10% more dmg for drones per level would make that thing insanely strong.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Antic
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Posted - 2006.01.20 06:44:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Tensa
Hey let's not forget about the ishkur! It's one of the "2nd rate AF's" even though everyone says it's one of the better AF's... I would just like an added bonus of +10% to drone dmg, hp, and mining per lvl of af skill or something along those lines...
You'd see those things costing 100mil minutes after that change would get announced. 10% more dmg for drones per level would make that thing insanely strong.
Also due to the ease of training frig lvl 5 for any race, it would become the only AF worth flying. And thats introducing inbalance, not balance.
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BlueOrca
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Posted - 2006.01.20 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: BlueOrca on 20/01/2006 08:21:59
PLS no drone bonus to my "Green Devil of DOOM"!
Now I must wait 12 days to buy one at NAGA, I don't want to wait until next year to get one!(Ishtar anyone?)
The Thorax/Deimos bonus to MWD penalty is a good replacement.
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2006.01.20 10:45:00 -
[283]
ooopppsss wrong button
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Garrick Amorr
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Posted - 2006.01.20 20:41:00 -
[284]
I love AF's, but apparently the devs dont :( Not letting this go!! |
Frank Dashwood
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:18:00 -
[285]
Take your places
Can we fix it?
Yes we can
Bob the Builder
(Can we fix it?)
Bob the Builder
(Yes we can)
Scoot, muck and Dizzy
And Roly too
Lofty and Wendy
Join the crew
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have so much fun
Working together
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(Can we fix it?)
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(Yes we can)
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(Can we fix it?)
Bob the Builder
(Yes we can)
Time to get busy
Such a lot to do
Building and fixing
'Til it's good as new
Bob and the gang
They can really be found
Working all day
'Til the sun goes down
Bob the Builder
(Can we fix it?)
Bob the Builder
(Yes we can)
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(Can we fix it?)
Bob the Builder
(Yes we can)
Wow!
Oh dear,
Can you fix it?
Right, left a bit, right a little
Okay, break down
We can tackle any situation
Look out 'cause here we come
Can we dig it? Yes
Can we build it? Yes
Can we fix it? Yes
Bob the Builder
(Can we fix it?)
Bob the Builder
(Yes we can)
Bob the Builder
(Can we fix it?)
Bob the Builder
(Yes we can)
Digging and fixing
Having so much fun
Working together
They get the job done
Can we dig it? Yes
Can we build it? Yes
Can we fix it? Yes
Bob the Builder
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All together now
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(Can we fix it?)
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(Can we fix it?)
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(Can we fix it?)
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(Yes we can)
We'd better get some work done
/me gets coat
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Welcome to eve, where 80% of the population hides behind a wall of smack while deceiving themselves into thinking they hold the moral/ethical high ground.
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.01.21 01:13:00 -
[286]
Yanked back to first page.
CPU, PG & Mid slot on Jaguar please :-) A little bit of Cap wouldn't go amiss either.
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Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
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Wolverine PL
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Posted - 2006.01.21 01:19:00 -
[287]
And why I dont see here Enyo or Ishkur?? They need love aswell. If you boost Hawk and rest, you need to close look at those gallente af aswell.
Ishkur need more pg/cpu/cap.
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2006.01.21 04:38:00 -
[288]
Ishkur has a huge drone bay to compensate for it's missing slot. The only question therefore is what it's missing bonus should be therefore. As for the enyo, again, bonus questions. If you follow the HAC template you'd say that the ishkur would get drone damage and hitpoints and the enyo MWD, but the ishkur would likely become very overpowered with that bonus and the enyo frankly doesn't seem to fit an MWD bonus. So far there's no real consensus, other than they need the missing bonuses that they should have.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 06:44:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Wolverine PL
And why I dont see here Enyo or Ishkur?? They need love aswell. If you boost Hawk and rest, you need to close look at those gallente af aswell.
Ishkur need more pg/cpu/cap.
Iskhur needs a boost about as much as the Raven needs the Manticore's explosion sig bonus. They're damn scary with drone skills trained. Any bonus it'd get would need to be minor. Someone said give drone bonus dmg, but that'd be like giving the Harpy another 5% per lvl bonus to turret dmg.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Tarri
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:43:00 -
[290]
Perhaps give the Enyo a armor rep bonus like the brutix and the ishkur a drone range bonus.
The jaguar should get a fourth med slot and the hardpoint layout changed to 4 turrets/2 missile bays. It's fourth bonus could be a speed bonus perhaps.
The wolf would get as fourth bonus a tracking bonus and it's optimal bonus changed to rof or damage bonus.
Don't know about the caldari and amarr ones, but a hawk transformed into a tech 2 kestrel would be a really frightening ship.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:10:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Wolverine PL
And why I dont see here Enyo or Ishkur?? They need love aswell. If you boost Hawk and rest, you need to close look at those gallente af aswell.
Ishkur need more pg/cpu/cap.
and then ishkur would become the new OMGWTFBBQ'ing frigate.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:17:00 -
[292]
I think weirda hurt hammer's feelings so much he told told the other devs not read this thread. 
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:32:00 -
[293]
yeah yeah ccp make caldariships's high slots aaalll missiles and make our 1 or 2 slots full of ****  and remove turret points no caldari wants to use them anyway...
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Antic
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:49:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Akiman
yeah yeah ccp make caldariships's high slots aaalll missiles and make our 1 or 2 slots full of **** and remove turret points no caldari wants to use them anyway...
only the hawk for missiles. Its nice to have some choise for ships to go for turrets with the harpy. Same as we got the eagle and cerb for HACs.
You forget that many caldari have both missles AND turrets trained high. Untill the tier 3 turret battleship is added for caldari theres no point to get spec for tech 2 large rails for caldari spec people, and that saves a lot of training time. getting medium rail spec is pretty straightforward. And for launchers you dont need to progress through sizes to get spec.
So no do not kill diversity, just eliminate the useless mixed bonus ships. Make hawk fully a missile AF and leave the harpy as a turret AF. gives people a choise.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.21 19:51:00 -
[295]
second page? I DON'T THINK SO
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.22 07:07:00 -
[296]
Again, some mod sticky this. Then maybe it'll emphasis that this is important to us.
Don't make the AF community spam ***** with tons of threads like drone users had to do.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:39:00 -
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There's something else that I've noticed. I've never found a wolf setup that I've liked that used artillery - not even a 250mm one - so I kind of gave up in fustration. I always run out of CPU. I looked back into it and noticed (re-noticed, actually) that the reason why is that true is that the wolf has only 125 CPU, which matches the retribution for lowest among AF. It makes sense for the amarr ship to have the low CPU in a design sense - highest PG, lowest CPU, but in the case of the wolf I'm hard pressed to say why. Currently, if you attempt to put a tank on your ship (I know most experienced wolf pilots are now laughing) and even mount 250mm, you're going to have trouble. Not even a setup that uses 4 250mm II, ab, web, 2 energized plates II, SAR II and gyro II will fit - and this is basically (with appropriate items) my fav enyo setup which fits pretty easily (except I can mount a launcher on the enyo, also easily). In short the Wolf could use some more CPU love IMO, I think between 15 and 20. This would at least let you put a tank on it with artillery, which would be nice.
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Xasz
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:13:00 -
[298]
10 pages, and 1 (fairly useless) dev reply.
Kinda like the fake bonuses.
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Sean Drake
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Posted - 2006.01.23 14:03:00 -
[299]
yay AF's get a mention in tux's sticky
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.01.23 22:05:00 -
[300]
recap:
vengeance:
+1 mid
+35 cpu
new bonus 5% resist to all per level of frigate
jaguar:
+1 mid
+30 cpu
new bonus shield boost %/shield boost cap %/dmg/don't care
hawk:
+2 missile hard point, -2 turret hardpoint
+1 low (might need something to make setup work)
+20 cpu
new bonus to missile rof or dmg
the hawk attempt here is half assed - there are better discussion within the thread... weirda just want to fly a missile af... 
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Weirda
Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
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