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Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:53:00 -
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What they were attempting to do was remove other systems off the node which means the server resources would be totally dedicated to that one system (a la Jita), which is in effect a reinforced node.
This isn't about coding so much as resource allocation and dynamically being able to assign more to critical areas of the game.
NowI am no longer doing my old man nerd rage dance I think it's worth giving testies a bit of a big up for committing just about anything you could fly in that system along with their buddies.
To my CFC brosefs - don't worry there will be other times and other systems, last night the numbers were f***** awesome, reminded me of the 7 full fleet roll through Branch.
It was shaping up to be a war changer and CCP 'insert hopefully now jobless engineer here' screwed it up. But hey, the clock keeps ticking and in the forward direction so not much point dwelling on might have beens. |
Kelshron
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:55:00 -
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nerdy stahn wrote:Node crash (or node shutdown) is, I think, the only last problem of a cascade.
Until the beginning of the Fountain campain, all protagonists are experiencing the worst of the game.
By example, using a gate now got a nice animation, yeah ! But seeing this damn tunnel for at least one minute is boring. Every time we are more than ~50 we using the same gate, we get catched by traffic control. Once done, we have to hope that loading grid will be quick. Often, you might be dead before knowing it because something was low.
Also, Time dilation was supposed to be a fix. Ok, it's working but honestly, it's horrible. By example, I tried for 15 minutes in Z9 to only get a SINGLE warp. My speed indicator was broken, I didn't know when warp was launched or not and so, and so, and so ... Too, activating a module/launcher/whatever is like playing roulette. You click, you hope, you wait, you wait, you wait... lost or win, it's only a question of chance.
You guys, made a very cool work when issues were there. I think it's time to work again on it.
I agree that fighting in Tidi is not pleasant, but compared to the old days of random black screens, and zero (not just slow) responses, it is at least playable.
I was there last night and fighting in 10% Tidi for 6 hours takes its toll, but at least you CAN fight. Obviously it needs to be improved, but it is just about workable.
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.05 07:59:00 -
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Tidi at 10% is horrible. The alternative is magnitudes worse. |
Schwa Nuts
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:00:00 -
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As an engineer whose mistakes have caused brief outages before, I certainly can sympathize with what this engineer is going through right now. I can assure you he won't be sleeping tonight, and will be beating himself up for weeks if not months to come.
That being said, when you are dealing with the very core of your product, you must be extraordinarily diligent in your work to ensure you don't break anything. This level of mistake is completely unacceptable, and there is no real way to make it right. |
Starlighart
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:10:00 -
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Hmmm and what are the test systems for again..... that's right to test the process and scripts into production. |
Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:15:00 -
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Free tank of honor to all those involved. |
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:16:00 -
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Starlighart wrote:Hmmm and what are the test systems for again..... that's right to test the process and scripts into production. You're not seriously suggesting that this was the first time CCP had ever tried to remap a node mid-fight?
This wasn't new software, it was a misclick by a CCP engineer. |
Arcin Hamir
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:17:00 -
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I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories.
CCP's actions, however, were exceedingly stupid:
1. The fight had been running for several hours and numbers had actually DROPPED at the time CCP introduced its 'cretin' plan. Why watch a massive fleet fight for hours and then decide to take action near the last section? 2. Obviously the action itself was incredibly badly planned, communicated and executed. Playing about with processes on an active system is a very delicate operation and needs people who take care and know what they are doing - not a CCP strong point it would seem!
The calls for people to be sacked over this are extreme but somebody (especially the individual who made the decision to move things) should be reprimanded and apologise personally.
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Daenna Chrysi
Omega Foundry Unit Shadows Of Betrayal
38
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:19:00 -
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You know, in a situation like this, you might not want to try to fiddle with the node that the fight is taking place on, instead, reinforce the systems next door to the one where all the fighting is taking place. Then the fight can extend to the neighbouring systems as well, until you have 10k players burning an entire constellation instead of just one system.
Imagine the press on that =)
This would be a short term solution because the fountain war is sure to produce more fights like this, so doing this will give you time to develop a way to pull off a hot node reinforcement. |
Robert Yannes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:20:00 -
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It's ok guys it was his first day. |
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Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:21:00 -
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Daenna Chrysi wrote:You know, in a situation like this, you might not want to try to fiddle with the node that the fight is taking place on, instead, reinforce the systems next door to the one where all the fighting is taking place. Then the fight can extend to the neighbouring systems as well, until you have 10k players burning an entire constellation instead of just one system.
Imagine the press on that =)
This would be a short term solution because the fountain war is sure to produce more fights like this, so doing this will give you time to develop a way to pull off a hot node reinforcement. ...that isn't how nullsec fights work. |
Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:29:00 -
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"keyboard error" - i think the keyboard was working as intended "error in communication" - well the real problem is that it is impossible to convey tone in written language. Now if the instructions had used the font Sarcastica 12 he would have known it was a joke. Instead it was in Good Times New Roman.
pfft ******* fonts
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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
616
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:32:00 -
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im still annoyed.
after grinding through 2 bs fleets we managed to start popping some of the 100+ trapped carriers. this took hours to do under TiDi and the newly introduced TiDi lag/bugs.(ffs turn off that ****** new monitoring software you dumped in during the last patch)
then more bs bridged in, so we started working on them and we were almost through the bulk of them and then we could have started picking off them trapped carriers. BUT oh no CCP steps in and kills almost 8hours worth of effort put in by 1000's of players.
im annoyed very very ******* annoyed. OMG when can i get a pic here
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Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:34:00 -
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TEST finally did it.
They got a spai into CCP.
You sirs are awesome. |
DarkSim Market
Gangnam Style.
31
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:35:00 -
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Oh god the goon tears in this thread, lol.
I am saving all of this for the next day when your fleet is :CCP:'d
The real rage is because goon kiddies don't want to go back to shooting structures in bombers and caracals, lol. |
Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
33
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:36:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:im still annoyed.
after grinding through 2 bs fleets we managed to start popping some of the 100+ trapped carriers. this took hours to do under TiDi and the newly introduced TiDi lag/bugs.(ffs turn off that ****** new monitoring software you dumped in during the last patch)
then more bs bridged in, so we started working on them and we were almost through the bulk of them and then we could have started picking off them trapped carriers. BUT oh no CCP steps in and kills almost 8hours worth of effort put in by 1000's of players.
im annoyed very very ******* annoyed.
So annoyed that you might forget about the new launcher for a whole day?
A blessing in disguise |
Hal Deville
Point Precision Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:38:00 -
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This was a very bad day for Eve. |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
616
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:39:00 -
[318] - Quote
Niding wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:im still annoyed.
after grinding through 2 bs fleets we managed to start popping some of the 100+ trapped carriers. this took hours to do under TiDi and the newly introduced TiDi lag/bugs.(ffs turn off that ****** new monitoring software you dumped in during the last patch)
then more bs bridged in, so we started working on them and we were almost through the bulk of them and then we could have started picking off them trapped carriers. BUT oh no CCP steps in and kills almost 8hours worth of effort put in by 1000's of players.
im annoyed very very ******* annoyed. So annoyed that you might forget about the new launcher for a whole day? A blessing in disguise
I don't use the launcher to do anything but patch. i log in via the exe. so its mostly forgotten about anyhow. OMG when can i get a pic here
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Chip Norton
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:40:00 -
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Nice work CCP.
People spend hours in what is meant to be the pinnacle of a sandbox and you rob everyone of a truely memorable experience with your incompetence. |
Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:41:00 -
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Heptameron wrote: It was shaping up to be a war changer and CCP 'insert hopefully now jobless engineer here' screwed it up. But hey, the clock keeps ticking and in the forward direction so not much point dwelling on might have beens.
You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. Who among us hasn't had one? As someone who's recently lost my job, I'm very, very wary of calling for someone's family to suffer because of a typo. Instead, I'm hoping the process will be changed - that safeguards like a simple 'hey, that system doesn't exist' error message will be put into place, as well as 'Are you SURE? Y/N' confirmations. More importantly, I'm hoping the code will be changed so that if* something like this does happen again, basic IT practices like archival data imaging and restoration rollbacks will be implemented so that whoever the guys on the field are, they're not denied the fight they worked hard to get.
* - if? Who am I kidding? when. |
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Starlighart
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:43:00 -
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Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly wrote:Starlighart wrote:Hmmm and what are the test systems for again..... that's right to test the process and scripts into production. You're not seriously suggesting that this was the first time CCP had ever tried to remap a node mid-fight? This wasn't new software, it was a misclick by a CCP engineer.
not suggesting it at all, However if they have the time to watch the fight for 5 hours, they have the time to test the move to ensure these mistakes don't happen.
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Strategos Constance
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:56:00 -
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This is really unfortunate considering that major battles seem to have the most mistakes on CCPs side. This is quickly turning into another Uemon!
Instead of always cleaning up PR messes perhaps you should be more proactive on the successes you have. When this happens to one of the biggest and now most publicized fights in EVE history it just bring a ton of bad press and allegations that CCP is "in" with TEST. Instead you need to start publicly addressing the successes as well. In my memory, you've made one such attempt when TiDi was released and since been silenced.
I would instead bring forward the successes and comparisons to the rest of the game industry. Not as justifications for a very sloppy key press, but to show the players the amount of things that go RIGHT instead of waiting for another disaster.
P.S. As for the sloppy key press... I still don't understand why you wouldn't have some sort of confirmation message and actually reviewing it. You can ill afford to mess with 2000+ active pilots and more thousands watching the live streams. Pretend like your game depending on it, because I am sure to some... it does. |
Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:58:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. when.
Typo? Seriously?? They weren't typing in u instead of you, not hitting the jump instead of bridge button, they were messing with live revenue generating production systems.
I'm head of IT for a company in Europe and my dudes don;t even get to change a desktop memory stick without a checklist and a sign off. When it comes to front end changes they are jumping through hoops like proverbial circus monkeys. There is no way something like this should ahve happened without someone reviewing the change before it was implemented, standard change management methodolgy. |
Endeavour Starfleet
910
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:58:00 -
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Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.
Was it a terrible accident? YES Does it need a fully documented investigation? YES Should it involve communication with the CSM? YES Should someone lose their job and be thrown into the bad job market because of a mistake made in a ******* video game? NO!!!!!!!
Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.
I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners. |
Ezio Dicostanzo
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:03:00 -
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shame on you CCP, you fun killer! we dont care about your sorry ass excuses, just do the f*cking job we pay you for with our subscriptions
get your **** together, wtf !!! |
Endeavour Starfleet
910
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:05:00 -
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Ezio Dicostanzo wrote:shame on you CCP, you fun killer! we dont care about your sorry ass excuses, just do the f*cking job we pay you for with our subscriptions
get your **** together, wtf !!!
It was a ******* mistake. If you can't accept their apology then please biomass (No I don't want your stuff) your accounts and leave EVE. It is a game. |
Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:09:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.
Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.
I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.
awwww so cute, someone trying to be relevant....
fyi people were in that fight playing for 6 hours, yes the playing part is one thing but that time spent is a RL figure and therefore has an impact. Ask the guys involved in that for 6 hours in 10% TIDI if they would have endured it all if they had known the eventual outcome?
If the guys running the service were volunteers then I would agree but they are not. They are well paid and are expected to do a good job in return, the fact its internet space pixels has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8357
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:10:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.
I can't speak for other alliances but as far as the gsf directorate goes the general attitude is "cripes CCP" Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:18:00 -
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Heptameron wrote:Arrendis wrote:You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. when. Typo? Seriously?? They weren't typing in u instead of you, not hitting the jump instead of bridge button, they were messing with live revenue generating production systems.
Typo. Seriously. Q9PP-H instead of Z9PP-H. No matter how serious the repercussions of the erroneous entry, it's still a typographical error - a typo.
Quote: I'm head of IT for a company in Europe and my dudes don;t even get to change a desktop memory stick without a checklist and a sign off. When it comes to front end changes they are jumping through hoops like proverbial circus monkeys. There is no way something like this should ahve happened without someone reviewing the change before it was implemented, standard change management methodology.
There's no way the software should have allowed it - the data to be matched in what amounts to a 'search' position ('perform X process to all but Y') couldn't be matched. The process was told what amounts to 'as long as you don't see X, go ahead', which is insane - if nothing else, if you've got a syntax that says 'do this for all values that do not include Y' then you want to preserve all of the values that do include Y just in case there's an error.
I spent 8 years writing code for administration of an online game - you have to know you're going to get PEBKAC problems. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know here, either. The software tools that you give to your server admins have to able to protect you from an attack of the Flying Monkey Brigade - and that's what really failed here. Data entry problems are more common than dead carebears during Burn Jita. And they get worse under pressure. You have to build tools that prevent pissant little errors from becoming massive operational faults that lead to unexpected system failure. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3808
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners. I can't speak for other alliances but as far as the gsf directorate goes the general attitude is "cripes CCP" Incoming leak
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