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Rockstara
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:39:00 -
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CCP falcon: do not let this discourage you from remapping nodes. If we're really lucky this will encourage you to develop a "live reinforce" mode. That fight was raging for hours ... it would surely have benefited from a remap even sooner, we shouldn't have to bring 2200 into system before you consider it. And the risk that sometimes that will crash the node is one I am perfectly willing to accept.
I could care less about any one particular fight. We all win if you are more proactive about improving the response of the systems we are fighting in. Keep calm and carry on. |

Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
23
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:42:00 -
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Rockstara wrote:CCP falcon: do not let this discourage you from remapping nodes. If we're really lucky this will encourage you to develop a "live reinforce" mode. That fight was raging for hours ... it would surely have benefited from a remap even sooner, we shouldn't have to bring 2200 into system before you consider it. And the risk that sometimes that will crash the node is one I am perfectly willing to accept.
I could care less about any one particular fight. We all win if you are more proactive about improving the response of the systems we are fighting in. Keep calm and carry on.
Completely agree there - if anything, this incident should serve as an impetus to develop code that will handle live system migration, and do so automatically based on cluster load, without the engineers having to step in at all. |

Vigo Carpath
Barr Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:46:00 -
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Wow all these goons begging for non existent kill mails just shows how desperate they are.
Very sad.
However the tears are delicious. |

EdFromHumanResources
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
163
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:47:00 -
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Ahahahaha. So many mad pubbies.
Like that one VVVVVV |

Barramuda
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:49:00 -
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Prevoius f*ck up with helping BoB ended up with one person being fired and CSM being created in an attend to keep players trust that was shattered at the time.
Story: CCP helping out
Then we had NEX Gate and Incarna failure that resulted in massive biter vet exodus and after many - we are SO sorry - and Hillmars open letter with "mistakes were made" CCP once again found their steering.
Yesterday we have witnessed what is described as human mistake.
Those of us that have been in EVE for over 6 years now have witnessed many "mistakes" and how some people fall on their path when it comes to EVE. Even CCP Hillmar, CEO and founder, admitted that he was tempted to use DEV hacks in order to restore lost ship during very early days of EVE ( Fanfest 2013 - Hillmars keynote ).
Is it then so hard to believe that one of the a fore mentioned engineers just happens to have a character in TEST ?
What is the next step, CSE ( Council of stelar engineers ) , that will monitor strange node disconnections that occur at strange times when one or another power bloc is winning ?
Because servers mysteriously crashed before. |

Johnathan Severasse
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:58:00 -
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Aemon Cross wrote:Mor Erata wrote:Goons are cute when they are upset I don't understand why TEST peeps are even posting after they got a nice dose of Deus Ex Machina (look it up if you're not sure what that means. Take your time, its a sophisticated concept). It seems to be a pretty douchebag thing to do, but I suppose we're not expecting a lot when they get their CCP engineer friends to help them out of a jam. GG!
Tinfoil is moving fast on the jita market right now. And lol you can #dealwith it because Test Alliance is Best Alliance and we are #fedorable. |

Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:58:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/pE5cyPZ.jpg?1 |

Xessej
Darqsyde Exploration Limited Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:59:00 -
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I've got a suggestion for CCP, instead of spending our subscription money on the doomed dust spend it on buying enough hardware for every system to have a dedicated node. It gets rid of the need to notify anyone of big fleet ops and prevents this sort of thing from happening. |

Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
109
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:03:00 -
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Do you have any idea how much that would cost to not only acquire but to upkeep?
This thread is the worst thread I've ever read on the internet. I'm including the locked one and this as the same thread. |

Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:05:00 -
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Does this mean CCP will buy better and more server nodes?? |
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Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
110
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:07:00 -
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Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades? |

Barramuda
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:11:00 -
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Hrald wrote:Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?
Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time.  |

Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
237
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:12:00 -
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Vigo Carpath wrote:Wow all these goons begging for non existent kill mails just shows how desperate they are.
Very sad. I know, right? My favorite was the guy insisting CCP should remove ships from the game that were not blown up yet because he assumes that they would have definitely been blown up.
Vigo Carpath wrote:However the tears are delicious. I have probably put on 10 lbs today drinking all these sweet, delicious Goonswarm tears.
I will need to hit the gym during the next unplanned downtime.
Will Fountain be Goonswarm's Waterloo?Read all about it in COAD. |

Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:18:00 -
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I was at asakai and I was at this fight and I'm curious about the nerdy details of the process. I understand the concept of moving systems on the same node off so that the heavily affected system in essentially on its own node but how is this accomplished? It sounds like a series of slash commands..and what kind of safeguards are in place so that whatever technician is doing this process doesnt accidentally turn of say.. Jita or in this case, the very node they were trying to beef up? |

Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
110
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:19:00 -
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Barramuda wrote:Hrald wrote:Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades? Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. 
You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it.
Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from? |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:28:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Vigo Carpath wrote:Wow all these goons begging for non existent kill mails just shows how desperate they are.
Very sad. I know, right? My favorite was the guy insisting CCP should remove ships from the game that were not blown up yet because he assumes that they would have definitely been blown up. Vigo Carpath wrote:However the tears are delicious. I have probably put on 10 lbs today drinking all these sweet, delicious Goonswarm tears. I will need to hit the gym during the next unplanned downtime. Most fun part is that your happyness just confirms that you "pro" Venture pilots would have lost those Carriers without that CCP Deus Ex Machina, rofl. It's time for you to finally change your wet underwear and realise Test Wallet escaped once again. You loose some, you win some. Be sporty. |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:30:00 -
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Hrald wrote:Barramuda wrote:Hrald wrote:Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades? Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time.  You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it. Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from? From all the money they got from subs till now? Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?
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Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:31:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Evening capsuleers,
WeGÇÖd like to ask that you keep discussions and questions relating to tonightGÇÖs fleet fight in Z9PP-H to this thread so as to keep CCP responses centralized, and to make this the go to place for questions and answers.
*snip*
Would you please address the costs (human, financial, etc.) associated with dedicating more computing (and network?) resources to meet the requirements of larger fleet engagements? As a customer, my perception of CCP is that you guys almost need your arm twisted and broken before you will take steps to facilitate the most epic moments of EVE game play. Why? What is holding CCP back from allocating all available resources towards known flashpoints where many major entities could engage?
I believe the eve directors have to pledge to the CCP directors about more money for server hardware to make this happen. You know how companies are. They make lots of profits, but then split it into catorgies, such as money needed for investment in new games, a big bonus sallery for the boss, stuff like that. Eve online only gets a cut of it. |

knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:33:00 -
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Ccp here is a great suggestion. Use a checklist. I know systems guys tend to not like them because it's effort, but they work for you. Give them a checklist, remove the chance of human error. It's standard practice to use one when fat fingered admins fiddle with stuff. |

Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
111
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:41:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:Hrald wrote:Barramuda wrote:Hrald wrote:Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades? Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time.  You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it. Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from? From all the money they got from subs till now? Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills? 
Okay, what profit margin are they running in order to allocate funds for the acquisition of water-proof servers to prevent future CFC tears? How much will all this new equipment cost? How well will it be utilized, as much of space is empty for long periods of time? |
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.07.05 05:51:00 -
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Hrald wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Hrald wrote:Barramuda wrote:Hrald wrote:Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades? Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time.  You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it. Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from? From all the money they got from subs till now? Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?  Okay, what profit margin are they running in order to allocate funds for the acquisition of water-proof servers to prevent future CFC tears? How much will all this new equipment cost? How well will it be utilized, as much of space is empty for long periods of time? There should be no such questions. Game should work. Things should be done. *** This time it did benefit Test. Next time it will benefit CFC. Should not really matter. *** What should matter is the quality of gameplay we get. No matter in wich Alliance we do play. Seeing such things happen, seeing also no improvements on the problem, and, on the other hand, seeing the crapload of inutile work they gift us, what should i think? But feel free to hold their hands. This is how this game became how it is today.
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Arrendis
Hephaestus LLC Fatal Ascension
23
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:01:00 -
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Hrald wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Hrald wrote:Barramuda wrote:Hrald wrote:Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades? Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time.  You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it. Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from? From all the money they got from subs till now? Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?  Okay, what profit margin are they running in order to allocate funds for the acquisition of water-proof servers to prevent future CFC tears? How much will all this new equipment cost? How well will it be utilized, as much of space is empty for long periods of time?
Well, to be fair, I'm not sure putting every system on its own node would really be the right answer, even if it were feasible - you'd just have systems able to handle larger fights, and so you'd have larger fights. Which in turn would strain the system again. A lot of it seems to go back to what CCP has already acknowledged to be a poor choice of design language when the game was originally coded (python).
Unfortunately, converting the entire game engine away from python into something that can take advantage of modern multi-threading processors (which python really doesn't do well, if at all) would also be a significant expense/effort.
So, in the end, it's likely that we're all going to have to accept that just like TEST and the CFC, CCP is Bad At EVEGäó.  |

Nedisu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:04:00 -
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The fleet fight notification form is a thing and is handy situationally but it doesnt really address organic fights like this one that start small and then escalate and escalate. A lot of the region has had issues since the beginning of the campaign with B-D going 10% tidi just from undocking a couple fleets.
I dont know if the server architecture supports it but it would be an improvement to have increased support to known 'hot' regions like Fountain for the duration of large scale conflicts. The players would have a better internet spaceship experience and fights could develop naturally without the Hand of God having to enter the sandbox. |

SMO30SCO
Viscosity Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:11:00 -
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I'm confused why in this day and age when you move nodes that they go down like that..... surely all that the paying customer should experience is a blip in performance as you switch? Also if you can manage to have a consistent battlefield for wrecks and drones how is it then that the ships disappear? |

Skilo
the muppets DARKNESS.
4
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:22:00 -
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Goon tears Best tears |

Joshua Lonestar
Mayer Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:23:00 -
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I'd like to point something out to the knuckle dragging mouth breathers going "ZOMG SCREW YOU CCP!"
Yes it sucks they dropped the system. Epically sucks. But as mad as you are at them, think how they feel knowing with "half the world" watching they dropped the system. The potential impact this has as thousands of people watched in real time is huge. Give CCP some credit. Did they screw up? Yes. Stop thinking about how this impacts your little spaceship and think about how this impacts CCP and their image within the gaming community.
As much as it sucks what happened, the message we as a player base should be sending is "Well, this sucks, but thank you for trying CCP".
So CCP, thank you for trying. I know you guys feel bad enough over the whole ordeal without having to deal with forum rage.
PS: Goon tears best tears! :D |

Beidorion eldwardan
Corporation Danmark Tactical Narcotics Team
8
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:26:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Evening capsuleers,
WeGÇÖd like to ask that you keep discussions and questions relating to tonightGÇÖs fleet fight in Z9PP-H to this thread so as to keep CCP responses centralized, and to make this the go to place for questions and answers.
WeGÇÖd first like to explain the situation, and what exactly has happened so far.
Owing to the heavy load in Z9PP-H, caused by a fleet flight involving 2200+ pilots deeply embroiled in the Fountain War, the decision was made to remap all other systems away from the node on which Z9PP-H was located in order to improve responsiveness and playability. We were later than we wanted to be to try to reinforce the node (obviously) since it was a more organic-type battle without a fleet fight notification. Once we fully assessed the situation and what was at play, we figured it was time to go for it and the remap in preparation of what was set to be "Asakai 2.0".
This was put into play at 22:14 UTC, however due to an error in communication, all systems including Z9PP-H itself were moved from the node, which caused everyone who was in the system and was involved in the ongoing fleet fight to be disconnected from Tranquility.
The system of Z9PP-H was brought back online and made accessible as fast as possible, however we realize that the mass disconnect of everyone involved in the fight means that ships are potentially saved by their pilots not logging back in once they have been disconnected, or are lost due to other unforeseen consequences of the disconnect.
All pilots involved have our sincerest apologies for this error, and we are currently looking to review our policy of action in these types of situation to ensure that this is not repeated.
Many of us here at CCP were watching various player streams of the battle as it unfolded and cannot apologize enough for such a mistake, or for disrupting what was setting out to be an unbelievably epic fleet fight
If you have any questions or comments, please keep them to this thread as a centralized point of contact, and weGÇÖll see about answering them.
Im sorry CCP but that simply is not good enough - what happened here tonight may very well end up alternating the outcome of the Nulsec allwars or fountain as you narrowly call it. what your employee did, can be compared to cancelling the main event at the best music festival in the world, well beucase tey did like the pants of the bass player. you are in the buisness of selling internet spaceship events and fun. and you broke that product at one of its top 5 moments in the last 4 years.
In a REAL company the one that ruined that much product for that many costomers would have been fired - even if the PR department is trying to spin this off as an honest mistake. you dont get to just say sorry, you need to SHOW that your sorry. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4224
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:28:00 -
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First world blobbers problems!
Now I'll say / write once again: put a diminishing return on those zergs so that bringing in N + 1 is not the best decision to take and pronto we have a (temporary?) solution to the inability to dyna-automatically reinforce a node. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Drosera Capensis
The Reynard Project
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:29:00 -
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Not being in the fleet myself but watching it on twitch with over 5000 others due to it being twittered and promoted in alot of different channels I can only say this:
1) It looked like the TEST carriers had their fate sealed, it must have been frustrating for CFC to watch those things slip away due to no fault of your their own and no skill from TEST. TEST got luck instead of skill there.
2) CCP dropped the ball in front of several thousand players and over 5000 viewers on Twitch while being on top 10. I can only imagine the feeling of having one of those "omg, this is an opportunity we must take advantage of" and turn it into a complete failure. I bet they're the ones that are feeling most down atm. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4224
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:31:00 -
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Beidorion eldwardan wrote:In a REAL company the one that ruined that much product for that many costomers would have been fired - even if the PR department is trying to spin this off as an honest mistake. you dont get to just say sorry, you need to SHOW that your sorry.
This wording could have been taken off any random miner / JF pilot just having been ganked and rage posting on teh interwebz.
Karma is truly a beotch. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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