Update:

We had a chat this morning and will be leaving this as a skill rather than changing the base timer.

There are good points on both sides, and it depends a lot on how you are using jump clones, but because there certainly will be strategic implications for at least some players, we feel that having this as a skill fits well. It is by no means mandatory like the old learning skills, and it is not purely a quality of life change (although that is certainly a large part of the design goal), so it makes sense to have training associated with it.

The skill will be rank 2 and will cost very little so for the players that want to use it there won't be significant barriers.

On a related note: there is some people discussing the drawbacks of making these small adjustments rather than large systemic changes and I must say that we feel really good about small changes in many situations. Systemic changes are important and should never be ignored or delayed because of small tweaks, but when there are very solid improvements available, like this one, we should not put them off because the system as a whole isn't perfect.

Thanks for the feedback

edit: oh and also, we definitely will not be extending the timer any further. The implications related to travel become problematic fairly quickly and we don't want to worsen that situation at all.

CCP Rise. Please do not Seed this skill on the market. Put it in exploration cans or in the LP store of the under-appreciated science mission corps.

mmm.... give hacking sites something worth getting

It's not only an issue of travel. The 24 hour timer doesn't fit because it seems to say that you should be able to jump once a day, but in practice it's often more like every other day. Just because we want it to actually be once a day does not mean we want substantially more freedom in clone jumping overall.

Dunno everybody seems to be strip mining every site just after downtime.

Seriously, this change does not create compelling gameplay choices, enrich our decision making, and it only serves as a time sink.

Didn't he post and say it'd be a level 2 skill? level 2 skills are hardly a time sink,, it means you can get your JC timer down to 20 hrs with just over 1d training... cripes

tbh the implementation is fine

It could be a 1x training time skill and it'd still be a time sink. It's a wasteful use of training time to improve a recognized quality-of-life issue. It's not really the time per se. It's the point: there's no reason this needs to be done via training.

It's not only an issue of travel. The 24 hour timer doesn't fit because it seems to say that you should be able to jump once a day, but in practice it's often more like every other day. Just because we want it to actually be once a day does not mean we want substantially more freedom in clone jumping overall.

I agree that most people will be using it to move clones for an activity, not for travel, but we don't want that to not come with cost. It is not the goal that everyone will be able to be in the ideal implant set for any activity at any time. We are happy with the cost (risk/time loss/travel) and decision making associated with clone jumping and don't want to eliminate that with this change.

We don't want to accelerate the rate that you can jump significantly, we just want to make sure that switching once a day is actually possible.

If you guys want it to actually be once per day, then you should just adjust the base timer. What are the "good arguments" for, since there's been plenty of arguments against in this thread, while some posters just agree and say "at least its something."

What's next for the quality of life skills? Will there be a "POS Access" skill that let's us "access your POS SMAs from an extra 1000m per level"?

Seriously, this change does not create compelling gameplay choices, enrich our decision making, and it only serves as a time sink. It directly serves to improve a quality-of-life issue in that you want players who jump clone out to be able to JC back to their "original" clone roughly at their usual playtime. Great goal and props to recognizing an issue. Terrible implementation, however.

Update:

We had a chat this morning and will be leaving this as a skill rather than changing the base timer.

There are good points on both sides, and it depends a lot on how you are using jump clones, but because there certainly will be strategic implications for at least some players, we feel that having this as a skill fits well. It is by no means mandatory like the old learning skills, and it is not purely a quality of life change (although that is certainly a large part of the design goal), so it makes sense to have training associated with it.

The skill will be rank 2 and will cost very little so for the players that want to use it there won't be significant barriers.

On a related note: there is some people discussing the drawbacks of making these small adjustments rather than large systemic changes and I must say that we feel really good about small changes in many situations. Systemic changes are important and should never be ignored or delayed because of small tweaks, but when there are very solid improvements available, like this one, we should not put them off because the system as a whole isn't perfect.

Thanks for the feedback

edit: oh and also, we definitely will not be extending the timer any further. The implications related to travel become problematic fairly quickly and we don't want to worsen that situation at all.

Why ?

Is it important to limit the fun ?

Skills for flexibility need to make in session swapping viable.
This is not viable with your proposed idea
A jump every 22 hours instead of every 23 hours is more or less pointless



Base time between jumps before any sync skill should be 16 hours.
So I can do a 8 hour sess in a choosen clone each day and I'm not punished for starting 8 hours earlier at the weekend when I'm not working.

Each level of syncronisation skill should add 1 to maximum number of intermorphs I can accumulate before braindamage.
one level of intermorph is removed every 16 hours from the last jump.

e.g. at level 3 sync I can make up to 4 jumps in a burst if I want but it will take

4 x 16 hours for the intermorphs to reduce back to 0.

It's not only an issue of travel. The 24 hour timer doesn't fit because it seems to say that you should be able to jump once a day, but in practice it's often more like every other day. Just because we want it to actually be once a day does not mean we want substantially more freedom in clone jumping overall.

I agree that most people will be using it to move clones for an activity, not for travel, but we don't want that to not come with cost. It is not the goal that everyone will be able to be in the ideal implant set for any activity at any time. We are happy with the cost (risk/time loss/travel) and decision making associated with clone jumping and don't want to eliminate that with this change.

So many negative comments.

I see it as being able to log-in, jc somewhere, do some business for a couple hours, and then tomorrow evening jc back in time to do more business back home, rather than having to sit where ever it is that I am doing nothing, effectively making jump clone cooldown 48 hours instead of 24.

This change is clearly aimed at the more casual week-day players.

Deal with it.

+1 for CCP

It's not only an issue of travel. The 24 hour timer doesn't fit because it seems to say that you should be able to jump once a day, but in practice it's often more like every other day. Just because we want it to actually be once a day does not mean we want substantially more freedom in clone jumping overall.

I agree that most people will be using it to move clones for an activity, not for travel, but we don't want that to not come with cost. It is not the goal that everyone will be able to be in the ideal implant set for any activity at any time. We are happy with the cost (risk/time loss/travel) and decision making associated with clone jumping and don't want to eliminate that with this change.

I don't think people go like "oh, I have a clone that is perfect for this thing I want to do now, but as I can't jump at this time, I will go and do it less efficiently". The jump clone timers and the attributes/training implants mechanics are terrible and don't get along at all.

With all due respect, why does it matter what you want? Shouldn't it be what the players want? You make the game, but we're the ones who literally pay your salary. We're not asking to easy-fy EVE, we're asking to play the game without sitting in station waiting for a pointless timer to go off. I've said before and I'll say it again--waiting in station for 12 hours because I wanted to PVE yesterday makes me just shut off the game. Is that what you want from your players?