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Ra Jackson
the unified
Negative Ten.
210
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:15:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:This still continues to not bother me much. I do not view "Sombergate" and the T20 scandal as being one in the same. One is a third party entity that provides a gambling service to the Eve community and is being rewarded with CCP spawned items, while the other was a CCP employee who was providing his alt player alliance with CCP spawned items
And if a CCP employee had an alt in Somer - would you know it?
That's why you NEVER EVER do such bullcrap as favouring one entity ingame! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:15:00 -
[482] - Quote
Charlie Firpol wrote:Should someone want some presents but doesnt get them and is mad enough to leave EVE because of that...your stuff would be managed well by me in the next time.
This joke isn't any less dumb than it was a decade ago. Just FYI.
But man, it sure would be great to think every tired catchphrase was new and original. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs
Monkeys with Guns.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:18:00 -
[483] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:Should someone want some presents but doesnt get them and is mad enough to leave EVE because of that...your stuff would be managed well by me in the next time. This joke isn't any less dumb than it was a decade ago. Just FYI. But man, it sure would be great to think every tired catchphrase was new and original.
What makes you think I am joking? I am very concerned about the wellbeing of your stuff. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:18:00 -
[484] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Dalto Bane wrote:This still continues to not bother me much. I do not view "Sombergate" and the T20 scandal as being one in the same. One is a third party entity that provides a gambling service to the Eve community and is being rewarded with CCP spawned items, while the other was a CCP employee who was providing his alt player alliance with CCP spawned items And if a CCP employee had an alt in Somer - would you know it? That's why you NEVER EVER do such bullcrap as favouring one entity ingame!
Which is why IA needs to be on this, if they aren't already.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1185
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:21:00 -
[485] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:And if a CCP employee had an alt in Somer - would you know it?
That's why you NEVER EVER do such bullcrap as favouring one entity ingame!
It wouldn't surprise me. At least this would all make sense, more than just "here have half a trillion ISK worth of swag, but tell nobody!" The responsible could be commissared, CCP as a company could save face. |
Demon Azrakel
Ouran Host Club
89
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:22:00 -
[486] - Quote
CCP is incapable of learning from their mistakes. This **** keeps happening.
And let me guess, the CSM was not informed? |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:25:00 -
[487] - Quote
As my thread has been locked and "All discussion of the CCP/Somer B.L.I.N.K. issue is being directed to this thread.", I'll repost my thread here :-
SomerGate - Questions.
Dear CCP,
-How does it work that a 3rd party entity can sponser a live event?
-Where is that financial support coming from?
-Was Somer actually audited by CCP to see if they are trustworthy?
-How was it done and by whom?
-Why should your customers register themselves in a 3rd party site, just to gain a chance to win Eve stuff?
-Why should unique items be spawned and be won by auction, instead of being earned?
-Why was Somer chosen in particular, and by whom?
-Why was Somer favoured over other sites?
-Why was a "for profit" gambling site chosen?
-Why wasn't a "fan site" not used?
-Why did you do this at all?
[quote] Andski wrote:
-How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?
-By the time CCP had decided to change the prizes, ( of the LV event ), were the original rare ships already given to Somer, and if they were, were they returned, ( given/taken back ), to CCP?
Edit 06/10/2013 ( well, where I'm at anyway )
-Have Somer ever been given stuff / isk simply out of CCP's goodwill?( It seems that they have most definately done so. ).
-CCP, do you want to turn Eve into "Pay To Win"?
-What about the allegations/accusations of Somer RMT?
-Does CCP have double standards?
-CCP, can we ever trust you?
-Is Somer a scam? ( IMHO, I believe it is )
These are just some of my concerns over this issue, ( it is an issue ).
CCP, please do not stay silent for too long about this. Please restore some faith back to your customers, cause you simply have messed up, again!
Why CCP, why?
No matter how much of a cash cow Somer is to CCP, this blatant favouritism is unfair and disgusting. Please CCP, stop hurting your reputation and Eve. Stop favouring Somer. |
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:25:00 -
[488] - Quote
Always exceptionally nice to see CCP tell players that it's not the actions in game that matter, it's not the fighting, spying, drama and everything else that makes EVE such a great game that matters. It's the running lottery for crazy profits.
Why the hell did CFC fight the huge fountain, delve, querious and PB war when we could have just sucked up to CCP and gotten rewards that are worth more than all the moons in that space.
The whole appeal of EVE is that ones actions in game matter. That everything you have you have to fight for in game. I guess that CCP showed us just how much all that means. Not a damn thing. Of all the entities in EVE they pick a lottery to shower with mad isk. Had it been Chriba, EVEmon developers, EFT developers or even EVEUni but no, it's a damn lottery that is already making crazy isk for it's owner.
After all this I wonder what exactly is the reason for all of us to pay every month (one way or the other) and fight in game when CCP apparently feels that they can ignore all those achievements in game and shower random party with free isk. This is far worse than T20 scandal as bob was at least creating content in game instead of being a parasitic lottery with good PR and even better contacts to CCP devs.
PS: thanks CCP for negating all player accomplishments in game in such a bold way. Ballsy. I hope it bites you in the ass as you deserve! |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
375
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:25:00 -
[489] - Quote
i got me obamascorpion
errybody vote for obama got an obamascorpion |
Ziphis
Saved Before Death Industries
37
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:31:00 -
[490] - Quote
Hey,
Can I get a Megathron Federate issue i dont work for any sites i just wanna take it out and get shot it xD
Say NO to CCP-EA. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4694
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:32:00 -
[491] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Always exceptionally nice to see CCP tell players that it's not the actions in game that matter, it's not the fighting, spying, drama and everything else that makes EVE such a great game that matters. It's the running lottery for crazy profits.
Why the hell did CFC fight the huge fountain, delve, querious and PB war when we could have just sucked up to CCP and gotten rewards that are worth more than all the moons in that space.
The whole appeal of EVE is that ones actions in game matter. That everything you have you have to fight for in game. I guess that CCP showed us just how much all that means. Not a damn thing. Of all the entities in EVE they pick a lottery to shower with mad isk. Had it been Chriba, EVEmon developers, EFT developers or even EVEUni but no, it's a damn lottery that is already making crazy isk for it's owner.
After all this I wonder what exactly is the reason for all of us to pay every month (one way or the other) and fight in game when CCP apparently feels that they can ignore all those achievements in game and shower random party with free isk. This is far worse than T20 scandal as bob was at least creating content in game instead of being a parasitic lottery with good PR and even better contacts to CCP devs.
PS: thanks CCP for negating all player accomplishments in game in such a bold way. Ballsy. I hope it bites you in the ass as you deserve!
convert themittanidotcom into a gtcselling center clearly
must sell more stuff for ccp
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:40:00 -
[492] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:
convert themittanidotcom into a gtcselling center clearly
must sell more stuff for ccp
Thank you for mining in an interdiction zone/piloting a freighter afk/flying into our space/being someone we're at war with
Prior to your imminent destruction, purchase of a GTC through http://themittani.com/ will allow you to retain your ship.
You may rent systems in our space for a reasonable amount of GTC purchases per month, please refer to www.goonGTCrentals.com for details.
We take our responsibility as authorised GTC sellers seriously
(I shouldn't have to say this is not a serious post, but given this is Eve-O I probably should). |
jackncoke
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
54
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:48:00 -
[493] - Quote
It seems CCP is once again going through old paths of fail ...
First EVE employee gave T2 BPO to BOB.
It takes years to recuperate from that fail.
Then they decide to go full re*ard and make WiS abortion go live with NEX gate affair . Monocles become a "thing" , Hillmar makes a public apology, CCP gets on their knees and says one loud - WE ARE SORRY FOR BEING RET*RDS.
And all is good in land of EVE. Players have fun in what seems to be a sandbox, but was never one.
What do you mean its not sandbox ?
Well CCP decides to give out free stuff via SOMER Blink, stuff that can be transfered to cold hard ISK.
But even thats not enough, they decide to give out rare ships to employees of third party gambling service that happened to be players them self.
Its like CCP hates their community and decides to go full mental jacket every now and then, spit in paying customers eye and say - FU PEASENT, THESE GUYS ARE AWSOME, YOUR A MAGGOT. NOW GO SELL PLEX TO FINANCE YOUR SHIP LOSSES.
Well Fu*k you too CCP |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione
Angeli Mortis
36
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:49:00 -
[494] - Quote
At the end of the day, CCP can do what they want with their game...saying that:
GÇ£Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship, 30 of them appearing all at once would be weird,GÇ¥ writes Mahm, GÇ£This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn't directly map to anything they have done in the past, and we don't want to mess up that future relationship-- Navigator has already offered to help promote our events in the future.GÇ¥
This comment in the Somer Blink mail, proves that:
1. Either Somer knew it could cause a backlash within the player base...
or
2. They were told by CCP to keep it quiet, because they knew it would cause a backlash.
There is no doubt Somer Blink supports many things within the community, but so do many other people and entities. Somer Blink was not initially created, to support EVE based events, it was made to create isk...eventually having the isk to support various events is a side effect. A beneficial side effect, because it acts as advertising, that can generate even more isk.
It is quite obvious CCP's "idea" of a community site is a lot different to mine.
I take it a great community site in CCP's view, is a site that creates a vast amount of ISK and Plex revenue...and not a site that actually provides the player base with valuable help and information.
For me, the sites ran by Chribba are TRUE community sites. These sites are run with an altruistic vision...no isk is asked for to gain access to the info and are in no way, an in-game business. But this goes for many fan based sites or apps, be it EFT, EVEMON etc, etc.
There is only one reason, CCP gave SOMER Blink these ships - because they are a huge real world money earner for CCP!!
Hmmm, it just also occurred to me, would the owner of a TRUE community site, put their own personal monetary (in-game or out of game) gain above that of the community? No they probably wouldn't! It seems SOMER and CCP are as bad as each other 
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Dirt Nap Squad.
173
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:50:00 -
[495] - Quote
So ISK/Endorsements flow from CCP to BLINK.
From BLINK ISK and PLEX flow to their 'employees'.
ISK and PLEX have real world value.
So all these folks being paid plex, do they pay taxes on them? In the US, I think that would depend on the total cash value of material received. But you do indeed pay taxes on the cash value of prizes and goods in kind.
Where is BLINK based? In the US? Given the total cash value of the prizes they handle, I wonder what their tax obligation is? |
Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:51:00 -
[496] - Quote
Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
562
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:01:00 -
[497] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE.
gosh maybe there's something different about this particular situation but oh well thinking requires effort so yeah just keep posting bro |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Dirt Nap Squad.
174
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:02:00 -
[498] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE.
You misunderstand. No one has an issue with CCP giving gifts directly to players. They should do this, it is using a third party site, who's purpose is to make a profit for themselves to do this. CCP should absolutely give away things, run raffles, etc., but it should do so independent of Somer.
The more I mention this to people, the more I have heard of special ships and give aways being handed to Somer to "give out". I am not sure if any of them are valid, but I'd like to know.
Anyway, prizes should flow from CCP to the players without directly endorsing or rewarding an in-game profit making entity in the process.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Alt Rotsuda wrote:Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE. gosh maybe there's something different about this particular situation but oh well thinking requires effort so yeah just keep posting bro
Yeah, Johnny summed it up better. |
Seras VictoriaX
Relentless Grind
18
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:02:00 -
[499] - Quote
Sorry
# TOS changes
# Sponsoring blink period
# Now just directly giving them 100's of billions worth of ships.(that they dont have to give out to the public)
-6 accounts. I thought this game was different. No you cant have my stuff. (been playing 11months!)
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1327
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:03:00 -
[500] - Quote
So ccp is now going to give everyone an Obama scorp on nov 19... cuss thats the only way to get the publords to shut up
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Winter Expansion new ship request |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4694
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:04:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:The point is they are dealing in a huge amount of cash value prizes, and no one trusts that CCP can be sure that the EULA is never violated along the way.
Because of this, CCP should be avoiding BLINK like the plague. In fact, a prudent business would have issued a statement some time ago saying something along these lines of them not being able to endorse nor vouch for third party internet sites that promote gambling and/or investing with in game currency. The transactions involved are simply of a nature that they are unable to 100% vouch for their integrity and business practices.
I thought ccp confirmed that somer was like ... 100% honest
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:08:00 -
[502] - Quote
I thought ccp was 100% honest |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione
Angeli Mortis
38
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:12:00 -
[503] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I thought ccp was 100% honest
They also said that they would be totally transparent from now on....a couple of years ago.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:13:00 -
[504] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE.
I really shouldn't bite but responding to the crazies is a personal weakness of mine.
Try actually reading this thread, there are a lot of very cogent points put forwards which explain why CCP's actions are bad for the game, unethical and open for debate.
Or, of course, you could be all internet hero and make your offhand 'cooler than you' posts without considering that as in the past, with Incarna and T20, CCP is doing material damage to their brand.
CCP has gained positive press from events such as 6VDTH, Asakai, Burn Jita
CCP has gained negative press events such as T20 & Incarna
This event, as a followup to CCP's publicly known dispensing of ludicrous amounts of valuable stuff to Somer has already caused negative press. There's a not inconsiderable chance that this is going to spread and grow traction in the gaming media. CCP: unethical. CCP: Dev favouritism, CCP: insert your phrase here.
As with the ToS changes, the concern being shown throughout this thread, the reason for the article and all of the words written attacking CCP for their decisions are done because people care about game (terrible though it is). Goons have a lot of history with CCP bias (directed towards our enemies), maybe there's more of a kneejerk towards it than with most other alliances, but that kneejerk is done because CCP has a history of being biased. It has a history of terrible PR decisions, of interfering in its own sandbox and disregarding the views of its players.
That's why the CSM was formed, with great fanfare and pronouncements on how progressive CCP were doing at the time.
So now where are we?
ToS changes: No consultation with the CSM, slipped in by stealth
Somer Blink prizes: No consultation with the CSM, not announced by CCP until a thredanaught started
Somer Blink freebies: No consultation with the CSM, recipients told to keep it secret.
From conversations with CSM members, from their blogs and comments it's obvious that they feel passionately about the bits of the game they get to be involved in, but CCP is shutting them out of the bits of the game where it's acting in an unethical fashion. They're deliberately avoiding raising the issues they should be discussing, those issues that go back to the very founding of the CSM. Developer bias.
As for your glib off-hand, internet cool comment, this isn't about people 'winning eve' because of their freebies from CCP, it's about CCP being biased and showing favouritism to a particular player corporation on more than one occasion. It's about them being secretive about it. It's about them giving an unprecedented level of support to a gambling site that exists to benefit its owners and employees.
But if you truly don't care about that, if you really do not care that CCP will happily cheat their own game, then simply stop reading the threads where they're being brought to task for doing so, and get back to complaining about falcon, or warp stabs in FW or whatever it is you do care about. |
Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:19:00 -
[505] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:
Anyway, prizes should flow from CCP to the players without directly endorsing or rewarding an in-game profit making entity in the process.
CCP has always endorsed in-game profit making entities. Everyone of us is an in-game profit making entity.
CCP has always advertised in-game profit making entities. Everyone of us is an in-game profit making entitiy.
People ask "What if SOMER uses the ISK to hurt some big nullsec entity?"
Why did you never ask if someone that got several billions on the gamescom will hurt some nullsec entity?
Noone cried till now.
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Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:20:00 -
[506] - Quote
Hell, I applied to Somer blah blah blah Corp today! Taking and counting other people's ISK while getting paid in ISK, PLEX AND limited edition ships, all funded and sanctioned by the supposedly impartial developers of the game? Sign me up! I wish real-life work were this stupidly profitable! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4695
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:21:00 -
[507] - Quote
Naradius wrote:Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I thought ccp was 100% honest They also said that they would be totally transparent from now on....a couple of years ago.
Oooo snap.
Quality posting here guys 
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
HugeMidget Tokila
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:22:00 -
[508] - Quote
This entire affair is beyond outrageous and violates any trust the playerbase has left in CCP. Not only should the responsible CCP employee be disciplined, the entirety of the Somer Blink organization should be banned and all assets destroyed. Nothing less than that would even come close in making restoration for this colossal **** up. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
536
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:23:00 -
[509] - Quote
Now this is a threadnaught.
I bet it never crossed their minds when they gave away the ships of what possibly could go wrong.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4695
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:23:00 -
[510] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Hell, I applied to Somer blah blah blah Corp today! Taking and counting other people's ISK while getting paid in ISK, PLEX AND limited edition ships, all funded and sanctioned by the supposedly impartial developers of the game? Sign me up! I wish real-life work were this stupidly profitable!
They're partial to somer, so you're in good hands.
Please sign an NDA to avoid leaks in the future tia
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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