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Gorgoth24
Sickology Dead Terrorists
47
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:29:00 -
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While this doesn't fill me with the rage it does some of my fellow pilots, I, too, am at a loss. I very much look forward to the public statement on this scandal, but do run it by the CSM first so that that, too, doesn't blow up in anyone's face.
This many PR catastrophes in a row should really involve some introspection. Good intentions notwithstanding, so many of the scandals lately have been completely avoidable. Use the CSM - I can't emphasize that enough. |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?
The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
352
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:30:00 -
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Doesn't seem CCP will ever ******* learn.
You should not favour one ingame group over another ingame group with in game items, esp one which is for profit and good at marketing !!
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Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:31:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP.
Hmm.. well judging by the amount of Goonies posting how Somer is evil it certainly doesn't look that way |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
482
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:32:00 -
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James Arget wrote:Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have. First off, let's look at the joint CSM statement which was recently released, which I agree with: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unreadIn particular, Quote:2. Favoring one community fan site over others.
Issues (2) and (5) are business decisions that CCP has the right to make. We think they are a mistake, and hope that the uproar over this issue will cause CCP to re-evaluate these policies for future promotions. Supporting groups that have a clear educational/public service focus in-game is one thing; supporting a group that is distinctly for-profit -- and one that can use the ISK it generates to secretly support in-game groups -- breeds distrust for CCP in the community. The Ishukone Watch Scorpion pretty much exists to be given away to community site. While it does have an in-game value, I think that for most recipients it's much more valuable to them as a token of the work they've invested in the EVE Community. Thus, I'm not bothered that people who help to run a far-reaching organization received them. What I am bothered by is the number of people who didn't receive them. While many different entities have been named by players in this thread and via other media, CCP has a very nice list already made up that I can refer to: |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
198
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:34:00 -
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I would really like to hear a CCP comment on this. And I hope I don't have to add that it should be comprehensive and honest. CSM, please make them do it.
If this is true it's even worse than the other giveaways cause it happened secretly and was even more directly intended to support an ingame for-profit organization, not that the intent of the other giveaways was much different.
And while I was one of the more vocal opponents against the giveaways in the other threads I now feel a bit stupid for going out of my way to state that I was sure it all happened with the best intentions and just the implementation was really bad. If this turns out to be fact then I'm afraid I can't uphold the "well-intentioned by CCP" claim. IIRC I didn't liken the severity of the other giveaways to the t20 incident because I think they aren't as bad, but these giveaways straight to Somer employees are just as bad. This is the next t20. CCP, can't you see how much you damage your sandbox?
NB: So far I have also gone out of my way to state that this isn't about Somer, because it would be much to ask of them to turn down the other giveaways intended for auction. But taking straight gifts from CCP and even taking action to keep it a secret: shame on you, Somer!
Memnon Shepard wrote:Why am I always left feeling like an idiot supporting CCP publicly? I should probably have learned my lesson by now. Man, I really feel for you. You were among the few reasonable guys in the other threads defending the giveaways. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5863
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:34:00 -
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"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:34:00 -
[99] - Quote
Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5865
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise."
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
Case in point. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
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Kate stark
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:36:00 -
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Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:
It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid.
I declare this goonie to be seriously butt hurt :) |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point.
Yeah but its true in this case :) |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
352
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
Thats fine but Goons probably provide ingame content to more players in a week than Somer ever have or ever will plus they got the same right to an opinion as anyone else.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
483
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
[105] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
Followed by knee-jerk support of that group by others, also because it isn't them!
Haha, I can't even feign surprise at that, though. |
Kate stark
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:38:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :)
you say that like it's wrong to be upset when the developers of a game show unfair favoritism to a group of players. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
185
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:39:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid. I've added this link on to my post to address that particular argument: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976
"CCP Phantom" wrote:If you have something that affects a large part of the EVE community, is active already for a good amount of time and has received a lot of good feedback from the community, then chances are not bad that you will hear sooner or later from us.
We are not saying that SOMER blink is a scam or that SOMER blink is legit, however, we state that SOMER blink is an interesting initiative from within the EVE community that it is well received over the years.
If someone would invest that much time and energy to pull off a scam and is still going strong, well, then this would be quite an awesome story in itself and would deserve some spotlight. So, regardless if SOMER blink is a scam or not, the effort and energy put into this initiative together with the reception from within the EVE community fully justifies this broadened attention.
The EVE community is sparkling with interesting projects run by passionate and dedicate player and I am really happy about this fact. The more everyone knows about all these projects, the better it is in my opinion. Smile
Maybe you can be the next SOMER blink? CSM 8 Representative
http://csm8.org |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5865
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:40:00 -
[108] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :) Uh...
Of course it's true. You make it sound like we aren't making it very clearly known that CCP favoritism is exactly the problem. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:41:00 -
[109] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :)
Multiple threads
Posts on TMC with bad coding to figure out alts
Constant crying about any favouritism that's not directed towards them
Their true colors come out!
So please, continue to cry :grabs popcorn: |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:42:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about?
Problem is, all this is just a goonies, well when I say goonies what I mean is Kittens being pissed that CCP have yet to create a statue in his honor in every system and have yet to rename Eve Online to "The Mittani is God Online"
The only reason they are going after Somer is because they can use the "They make a Profit" line and depict Somer as some Evil Organisation and make unproven accusations that its a cover for RMT.
The fact that Somer has donate hundreds of billions of isk to player sponsored events (more then any other entity in the history of Eve) is irreverent apparently.
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Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :) Uh... Of course it's true. You make it sound like we aren't making it very clearly known that CCP favoritism is exactly the problem.
Yes, your problem is that their supposedly favoritism isn't aimed at you |
Luigi Thirty
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:44:00 -
[112] - Quote
I have created at least as much content in my vaunted Eve career as any Somer Blink payer outer has by enabling Internet gambling. Please provide me with several large space potatoes so that I may continue to provide such content.
Yours truly, Luigi Thirty Space Pilot of the Right Honorable Goonswarm Federation |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
62
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
Me and my Alts have brought a lot of Tritanium to the community. No, I don-Št want an overexpensive Scorpion for every toon. One or two Plexes would be enough... |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
483
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[114] - Quote
James Arget wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid. I've added this link on to my post to address that particular argument: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976"CCP Phantom" wrote:If you have something that affects a large part of the EVE community, is active already for a good amount of time and has received a lot of good feedback from the community, then chances are not bad that you will hear sooner or later from us.
We are not saying that SOMER blink is a scam or that SOMER blink is legit, however, we state that SOMER blink is an interesting initiative from within the EVE community that it is well received over the years.
If someone would invest that much time and energy to pull off a scam and is still going strong, well, then this would be quite an awesome story in itself and would deserve some spotlight. So, regardless if SOMER blink is a scam or not, the effort and energy put into this initiative together with the reception from within the EVE community fully justifies this broadened attention.
The EVE community is sparkling with interesting projects run by passionate and dedicate player and I am really happy about this fact. The more everyone knows about all these projects, the better it is in my opinion. Smile
Maybe you can be the next SOMER blink?
Oh look, a quote from CCP Phantom that shows a complete misunderstanding of the issue at hand. I remember when you couldn't open up these forums in your browser without seeing at least two of those. Thanks for showing us that the CSM really is worthless. Next time you go to Iceland, stay there. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
146
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[115] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
There are no words for how incredibly low you've sunk, CCP.
CCP rewards a site that is incredibly popular with players (i have never played on the site but i hear people discussing their wins daily) and presumably makes CCP a lot of money via plex sales. Some of these plex would probably not have been bought had it not been for gambling losses. So what we have here is a business paying a bonus to another business both of which are popular with a community that buy their products. Everything beyond that is jealousy as we can see from the "why can't i have one too" comments everywhere. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5865
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Yes, your problem is that their supposedly favoritism isn't aimed at you Of course, we can't possibly be angry about a ******* dumb change in CCP policy. It has to be that we're upset about not getting spaceship My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2046
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:47:00 -
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"You're doing a great job lining your pockets with our subscribbers' RL monies, here have 30 billion ISK for each of your employees -signed, CCP Backlash".
What, oh what could go wrong? The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Kate stark
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:47:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about? Problem is, all this is just a goonies, well when I say goonies what I mean is Kittens being pissed that CCP have yet to create a statue in his honor in every system and have yet to rename Eve Online to "The Mittani is God Online" The only reason they are going after Somer is because they can use the "They make a Profit" line and depict Somer as some Evil Organisation and make unproven accusations that its a cover for RMT. The fact that Somer has donate hundreds of billions of isk to player sponsored events (more then any other entity in the history of Eve) is irreverent apparently.
except they aren't going after somer, so i direct you back to the whole "look at the topic you're posting about" part. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
LarcatOfZion
3-Strikes Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:50:00 -
[119] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
You don't have to be a goon to see this is bulls**t |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
417
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:50:00 -
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TBH it is not a problem that Sommer employes are given the scorpions. They well deserved it. The problem is that they keep such a politics secret. If they keep it secret than something is not all right, maybe similar sites are not getting any rewards and that can be interpreted as favoritism.
CCP just make your intentions clear and everything will be fine.
Sommer blink deserves rewards, just make it clear to everyone what are you doing. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
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