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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5845
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:20:00 -
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http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
There are no words for how incredibly low you've sunk, CCP. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:24:00 -
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Doesn't it break the TOS that CCP T20 is apparently disguising himself as CCP Navigator? |
Shenghar Katelo
Teratech Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:28:00 -
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this is what happens when addicts are put in a position to feed their addiction. |
Slavn
Get On The Horse Narwhals.
15
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:34:00 -
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So.... CCP explain to me why I should bother subbing again? (You can convince me if one of these appears in my hangar for each of my alts) |
Aurthes
M. Corp Engineering Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:35:00 -
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Lately, CCP has done one stupid thing after another. They don't seem to realize that the things they do outside game development hurt them.
This seems like some sort of opposite response to the charging of a fee to people who write Eve related software that they tried a year or so ago. What they don't seem to realize is that the playerbase really doesn't want a special set of snowflakes. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:36:00 -
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I would like a Sabre BPO please. I contribute a lot to the community.
I wont tell anyone either |
Matsumo Ohaya
Grundlefire Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:39:00 -
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I don't get this. Blatant favoritism for a 'community site' (which is the vast majority of the time accessed from the in-game browser) AND a failure to heed the lessons learned by the T20 scandals. If this isn't an 'unfair economic advantage' I don't know what is. The fact that despite just about everyone in game besides Somer staff thinking this is a load, CCP continues to double down on 'community interaction' like this is disturbing. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1243
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:43:00 -
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Still waiting for my specially made isk doubling ships to give away to bonus round winners. I will announce the winners on www.minerbumping.com See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
John Bosch
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:44:00 -
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Sweet, we get to have another "lock and sticky new thread" by ISD for another CCP ****-up.
Jesus, hasn't even been a month has it? |
Shux Legion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:44:00 -
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I don't want an expensive ship from you CCP, but I would love 20-30mil SP.
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:45:00 -
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What, you guys didn't get the memo? T2 BPO's are off limits but unique faction blueprints are a-okay.
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Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:45:00 -
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There's a right way and a wrong way to do in-game rewards for community sites.
Right way: Announce a program on eveonline.com and solicit nominations, then select recipients through some open and unbiased selection.
Wrong way: Here, take these ships but don't tell anyone. |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
2471
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:46:00 -
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Is CCP Navi that EA dude they hired? Sounds like he worked for EA.
Maybe if I am nice to him he will give me something special to... I would love an extra 50mil SP... "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1084
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:49:00 -
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It's like...
I mean... You've got to be kidding us.
How many times did CCP get dropped on their collective heads right after they where born?
You enjoying this CCP? You must be, as a company, you've just got to be the most masochistic in the world.
Must be the lack of oxygen at the top of the world. This is just unbelievably (stupid).
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Shux Legion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:49:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Is CCP Navi that EA dude they hired? Sounds like he worked for EA.
Maybe if I am nice to him he will give me something special to... I would love an extra 50mil SP...
CCP Nav only gives free stuff to his real life buds or people he owes gambling debts.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
653
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:55:00 -
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Hey CCP, I understand you want to encourage people who do things to benefit the EVE community.....but, you really need to figure out a way to limit the impact that your gifts do to the rest of the game.
I mean, make them account bound, prevent them from being sold/traded/contracted, something like that. You get your nice "good job!" gift, the rest of the community doesn't get pissed when you hand out the equivalent of 30bil ISK. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Hasanna Hakaari
Destructive Services Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:56:00 -
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In before thread locked and we're all banned for mysterious reasons. Nice seeing you all! |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:56:00 -
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Compared to gambling, ruining your family's lives with a combination of addiction to hard drugs and compulsive self-abuse seems positively healthy and a respectable use of time and energy. Anything that proceeds from gambling is therefore going to be a twisted step down. Sometimes CCP seems to be full of people who would love to play with the grown-ups but don't have the plain and country simple nous to not defecate where they eat.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
41
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:58:00 -
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Why you gotta break my heart, CCP? Why you gotta break my heart? |
gr ant
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:00:00 -
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meh |
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:00:00 -
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So literally nobody is going to point out that the entire staff of SCL got these? Probably BIG and EOH too? CCP has been handing these out to community fansites for months. There are hundreds of them.
What's with mittens propaganda lately? Did Blink ban him? |
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:03:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:So literally nobody is going to point out that the entire staff of SCL got these? Probably BIG and EOH too? CCP has been handing these out to community fansites for months. There are hundreds of them.
What's with mittens propaganda lately? Did Blink ban him?
Please proof your claims. And if they are true, it got worse, not better. |
Slavn
Get On The Horse Narwhals.
16
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:07:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:So literally nobody is going to point out that the entire staff of SCL got these? Probably BIG and EOH too? CCP has been handing these out to community fansites for months. There are hundreds of them.
What's with mittens propaganda lately? Did Blink ban him?
Just makes things more interesting. I'm already preparing the popcorn. (Really if CCP wants to reward community sites or whatever fine, but make it more transparent, TIA.) |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:08:00 -
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Why are you making such a big deal out of him being wanted for sexual assault in Idaho? He's wanted for sexual assault in lots of states! |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:09:00 -
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Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote: Please proof your claims. And if they are true, it got worse, not better.
Ask them. It's not a secret. They tried to sell me several of them.
I'm not running a **** website with 9,000 banner ads that I want to roleplay being a reporter.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:11:00 -
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What are you roleplaying then? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9238
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:14:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:What are you roleplaying then?
He's a known Somer Blink shill. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:17:00 -
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These 'gifts' and 'promotions' between developers and players are quite disturbing..
I certainly wouldnt consider a penny auction gambling site to be "doing a lot" for the community. More like a pox upon the community. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
467
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:17:00 -
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Andski wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:What are you roleplaying then? He's a known Somer Blink shill.
Oh, so he's roleplaying a concerned member of the community who wants to inject a bit of realism into all these crazy things other people are saying. Not that he has any particular interest in the matter, of course. But everybody should calm down.
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:What are you roleplaying then? He's a known Somer Blink shill.
Aw. Andy is still mad that I taught him some eve history last week and underlined how new he is to the game.
That's really cute. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9238
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:23:00 -
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look at this '12 trying to pull regdates
lool Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
279
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:26:00 -
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I get 0 money from somer blink or eve-bet or CCP
Everyone who got an Ishukone Watch Scorpion @ fanfest got told they are the only ones FOR NOW but more would be given out
I'd be legit mad if they gave out Guardian Vexors or Gold Magnates or any other one-off ships.
they didn't tho, and the only controversy imho is why Somer Blink got them all instead of half going to EVE-BET who haven't been as ubiquitous in the past but are obviously around equal now. . .
WHATEVER
JEFFRAIDER4CSM2014 jk |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4685
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:28:00 -
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How amusing. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
184
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:31:00 -
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/me facepalms
This is not what I was looking forward to dealing with tonight. CSM 8 Representative
http://csm8.org |
gr ant
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:31:00 -
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JEFFRAIDER wrote:I get 0 money from somer blink or eve-bet or CCP
Everyone who got an Ishukone Watch Scorpion @ fanfest got told they are the only ones FOR NOW but more would be given out
I'd be legit mad if they gave out Guardian Vexors or Gold Magnates or any other one-off ships.
they didn't tho, and the only controversy imho is why Somer Blink got them all instead of half going to EVE-BET who haven't been as ubiquitous in the past but are obviously around equal now. . .
WHATEVER
JEFFRAIDER4CSM2014 jk
Somer Blink Shill |
Brakoo
Shiva Nulli Secunda
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:35:00 -
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This is complete Bullshit, and honestly makes me want to riot/unsub
"awesome community fansites"
you mean a for profit gambling site that doesn't ever question CCP or hold them to any standards like the rest of the community?
A party in it for only there personal gain?
I am very very disconcerted by this
SOMER doesn't create content for EVE, They are not the enablers and instigators.
One day you will stop being a terrible Company CCP |
Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
41
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:37:00 -
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How much does a Somer Blink shill get paid, and how does one become a shill? I have lots of experience shilling with organizations such as The Illuminati Lizard People, and the United Nations Organization for a New World Order. Should I talk to my union rep? tia |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
653
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:38:00 -
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James Arget wrote:/me facepalms
This is not what I was looking forward to dealing with tonight.
Shaping up to be a great CSM year, huh? Plenty of controversy to keep ya'll busy. Good luck. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4685
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:40:00 -
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Troll Bridgington wrote:How much does a Somer Blink shill get paid, and how does one become a shill? I have lots of experience shilling with organizations such as The Illuminati Lizard People, and the United Nations Organization for a New World Order. Should I talk to my union rep? tia Yeah, I don't get enough to bother shilling for the cfc. How can I sign up to get stuff spawned for me by ccp There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:41:00 -
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JEFFRAIDER wrote:JEFFRAIDER4CSM2014 |
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
677
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:42:00 -
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If only the CSM would grow a backbone and go to the public gaming presses and create a public scandal about this like Mittens used to do. The ONLY thing that CCP responds to is a public media incident in which they look bad. And they certainly have plenty of reasons to look bad. The worst part is that they don't even seem to realize why what they're doing is wrong.
As long as these terrible decisions by CCP are confined to these forums there will be NO CONSEQUENCES. This is a sandbox game, and CCP are collectively ruining it at an alarming pace. What part of non-interference do they not understand?
CSM, do your job and bring this issue to the media. It is the only way. Burn Highsec Griefers |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4687
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:45:00 -
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Thank you for the article, themittani.com There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4687
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:45:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:If only the CSM would grow a backbone and go to the public gaming presses and create a public scandal about this like Mittens used to do. The ONLY thing that CCP responds to is a public media incident in which they look bad. And they certainly have plenty of reasons to look bad. The worst part is that they don't even seem to realize why what they're doing is wrong.
As long as these terrible decisions by CCP are confined to these forums there will be NO CONSEQUENCES. This is a sandbox game, and CCP are collectively ruining it at an alarming pace. What part of non-interference do they not understand?
CSM, do your job and bring this issue to the media. It is the only way. haha no
They have to run cover/interference for ccp to find out who did this to them and ~deal with it~ There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
LarcatOfZion
3-Strikes Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:47:00 -
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If anyone should be given free items from CCP it should be the FC's and alliance leaders who create content, Not some rubbish gamblng website, which makes more than enough isk as it is im sure. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
159
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:48:00 -
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I have not much hope that the CSM will concretly fight for us, they are too busy being hypnotized by CCP's blink-blink. And i have no trust at all in CCP, because, how do you call that... wait... there is a word for that... Ah yes ! Mafia. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4257
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:49:00 -
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Brakoo wrote:This is complete Bullshit, and honestly makes me want to riot/unsub
"awesome community fansites"
you mean a for profit gambling site that doesn't ever question CCP or hold them to any standards like the rest of the community?
A party in it for only there personal gain?
I am very very disconcerted by this
SOMER doesn't create content for EVE, They are not the enablers and instigators.
One day you will stop being a terrible Company CCP Oh calm the hell down. You really should do some fact checking before sperging out things like 'SOMER doesn't create content for EVE'. They are constantly donating to events such and RvB Ganked nights, all my events as well as countless others. Those sponsorship help those player events actually become a reality. Somer is not the only site that sponsors player events either. Many do.
Now I'm going to wait for more information on this Scorpion hull deal, but holy crap some of you need hit the brakes and really sit down, gather all the facts and then make an educated opinion on this. . |
Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:52:00 -
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But but but it doesnt matter because they're all quadrillionaires anyways right guys? |
Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:52:00 -
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I spent quite a bit of time among friends and on the forums backing CCP on what I thought was the spirit of promoting community events. Spawning items for corps which would be distributed equitably among the player base and with the purpose of generating donations that would drive turnout for live (or even in-game) events seemed a positive goal in my eyes. I thought it could be justified, and I assumed their intentions to be genuine but their methods flawed. If this leak is legitimate, though... yeah, they can count me out of the support group. Blink workers get paid for their services, and directly handing them valuable CCP-spawned ships for doing those jobs does nothing to promote anything but imbalance. I cannot glean any reasonable justification for this handout, which is likely why CCP can't find the time to comment on the issue. The implied cover-up in the email shocked me.
Why am I always left feeling like an idiot supporting CCP publicly? I should probably have learned my lesson by now.
Back to spending 4 months training Battlecruiser and Dessy cross-race skills to V on my new character, at least the in-game changes they spend time think-tanking and instituting nowadays make sense and benefit players, and aren't just some grossly obvious cash-cow implementa...
wait... |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
468
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:56:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:Andski wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:What are you roleplaying then? He's a known Somer Blink shill. Aw. Andy is still mad that I taught him some eve history last week and underlined how new he is to the game. That's really cute.
Oh, I remember you now. Honestly, if I actually knew that much ~EvE history~ I wouldn't go around admitting it.
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
146
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:04:00 -
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Has there been an official CCP response on any of this?
There is literally no defense for this sort of favoritism. The fact is that the only way to truly be sure there are no conflicts of interest is to avoid absolutely everything and anything that even smells of one. Engaging in the slightest of questionable activities opens the door to tremendous abuse and EVEN IF NOT ABUSED, creates questions that seed distrustt between the company and its customer base. And that is exactly what we are seeing here.
And nothing can really be said to ever make that customer base feel comfortable with the situation. The fact is that the appearance creates the sentiment, no matter what the truth. This is why you simply NEVER engage in this sort of favoritism. And CCP Pokethulu makes the age old mistake of trying to defend by saying that CCP will be able to make sure it is not abused and remains balanced. These are the sorts of claims made by the foolish and corrupt. No one can be sure this is not abused - therefore it should not occur. Simple as that.
No player run organization should be gifted items of such significant value within the game. Give them plaques, letters, tours of CCP offices, or their name engraved on the walls of Hilmar's private bathroom - but to grant them items of in game value is to give them isk. And herein lies the problem. For CCP to be in the business of handing out isk to players is highly disturbing and threatens the integrity of the game itself. Even when those items are given to be given out via lottery - they will profit the entity in question, therefore providing them with isk! Why is CCP basically handing a ton of isk over to SomerBLINK?
I sat with Hilmar at Fan Fest and had dinner with him. I basically said something along the lines that I felt he got a bit of a rough shake when it came to the whole monocle debacle. I mean, why can't a CEO be glad his company is making money? Despite my support, he took ownership and apologized and made it clear he felt he had made a mistake, and had failed to understand what the players wanted.
Hilmar, if you have any sense of what the players care about you will realize what a tremendous mistake this favoritism toward SomerBLINK is. It reeks of impropriety and corruption and secret deals with Somer. And for your own people to sit there and say they think Somer is 100% trustworthy - first it makes them look like complete fools and shows a complete failure on their part to understand the problem. Does CCP know who every alt of every Somer employee is? Why you might think so, I highly doubt it given that I've seen more than one player receive a permaban on their main while their alts did not. Once again: the ONLY way to insure no impropriety is to not engage in any activity that could come close to it.
So now, on the heels of this we find that Somer 'employees' are being gifted hundreds of billions of isk in special release ships. Once again, this is giving players isk. And for what? Because they are such a great fansite? They have already been rewarded for this. If they've paid out more than a quadrillion in isk, then just think how much they've made in profit! That profit is their reward. CCP is going to hand them rare, in game prizes for being good at getting you to pay them isk? That's ludicrous. Clearly there is some level of bias here, or plain stupidity... one or the other.
And please realize, Somer is just as much to blame. It is the responsibility of a business to turn down gifts that could either result in or give an image of impropriety.
So for the players, the answer is simple: stop patronizing SomerBlink. Boycott SomerBlink and if they truly value your business they will return any and all gifts and prize ships. Otherwise, kiss them goodby and stop handing over your hard earned isk so that they can bask in the glory of CCP's adoration. They are being gifted ships from CCP for one reason: YOU GAVE THEM ISK. So, stop giving them your isk. They clearly don't deserve it. |
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Disco Soliloquy
Major Kong Freight
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:08:00 -
[51] - Quote
Comment here if you'd like to hear from your CSM representatives:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283863&find=unread
It's a link to a Jita Park thread asking for opinions on the matter from CSM members. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
62
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:09:00 -
[52] - Quote
Than I cancelled my last account, I accidentally give no reason for it. CCP, would you please add "Somergate"?
No, it can-¦t be for real what they are doing here. CCP prefers Somer in a way, which is not acceptable. I thought, they had a Internal Affairs Department since T20. Was this only a joke?
Could you please reveal, if there are any relationships between CCP Navigator and Somer, ingame or in real life? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
470
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:09:00 -
[53] - Quote
I actually hope this isn't true, and that TheMittani.com got fed a bogus story, because basically it would mean I've paid for and put time into a game that's no different from some teenager's personal game server in which he drops loot for his buddies.
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Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
47
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:13:00 -
[54] - Quote
Highsec gankers just got wet in their pants. :D |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
653
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:16:00 -
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Evangelina Nolen wrote:Highsec gankers just got wet in their pants. :D
Implying us highsec gankers wear pants....
No Pants EVE Day erryday! Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
26
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:18:00 -
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seriously? the first thing wasn't enough. you gave them a bunch of scorps too? wow, thats like 15-20bil of free isk per employee... and here I am having worked for my isk to be able to buy one thinking it was a unique ship...lol, you're just spawning them out like candy it seems. |
Miku Yumi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:21:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:seriously? the first thing wasn't enough. you gave them a bunch of scorps too? wow, thats like 15-20bil of free isk per employee... and here I am having worked for my isk to be able to buy one thinking it was a unique ship...lol, you're just spawning them out like candy it seems.
Just think: all them months grinding level 4 missions to officer fit your marauders in highsec- you could've gotten 20b just by being in the right corporation..
That is- one of CCP's favorite corporations |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1371
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
I am only posting in here to see if I get a ban for posting in here. This is not a signature. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
473
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:seriously? the first thing wasn't enough. you gave them a bunch of scorps too? wow, thats like 15-20bil of free isk per employee... and here I am having worked for my isk to be able to buy one thinking it was a unique ship...lol, you're just spawning them out like candy it seems.
Just imagine if you ran a corporation and constantly struggled to keep your members happy, found ways to fund ship replacement programs, put actual money into a teamspeak or mumble server, ran some offsite forums to keep everyone enthusiastic... and then there's this other corp that keeps its members happy just by having CCP deposit loot directly into their hangars!
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
26
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Miku Yumi wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote:seriously? the first thing wasn't enough. you gave them a bunch of scorps too? wow, thats like 15-20bil of free isk per employee... and here I am having worked for my isk to be able to buy one thinking it was a unique ship...lol, you're just spawning them out like candy it seems. Just think: all them months grinding level 4 missions to officer fit your marauders in highsec- you could've gotten 20b just by being in the right corporation.. That is- one of CCP's favorite corporations seriously, right. CCP, you're really making me question why i play this game. i thought this game was about competition, about player skill. it feels pretty good when you snag a good deal, when you see that contract with a couple of missing zeroes before anyone else does, when you private message a dude and end up buying out his whole hangar for a fraction of the value. being a businessman in this game can be fun, but you undermine that when you start doing this **** and giving free stuff out to people. it isn't fair for some people to have to acquire items the regular way, through grinding, diligence, patience, and sometimes just plain luck... while you spawn supposedly limited items on a whim. i was only aware of around 90 scorps when i purchased mine, and you decided to spawn out another 30 to give to one corp.... wow.... that invalidates all the work i put into getting isk to aquire mines. it cheaps the value of the ones that were initially won through player participation... you just gave out 15-20bil of free isk to a bunch of dudes... |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1371
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:33:00 -
[61] - Quote
Surely if Somer Blink wants to be considered a legitimate player corp, they would tell CCP that they are perfectly capable of managing on their own and do not need special treatment/gifts from them. This is not a signature. |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
"What are you guys talking about?? We cheat however we like. We are the boss"
Yours truly, CCP |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
583
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
CCP... Pathetic... G££ <= Me |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
if this ***** true god ccp must be dumb didnt they learn their lesson with the vexors and golden magnate personally i still wasnt too impressed with even the fancy new soe ships no gambling site should get free ships i dont care if its the stock versions GIVE IT TO EVERYONE or give it to no one or make them earn it |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:55:00 -
[65] - Quote
If this is supposed to be the rewards for community service, why does community is not being informed?
Give a list of all fan services you want to rewards and just give out stuff publicly. Once a month or something. To Eve-Radio, E-Uni, RVB, whatever. Like in real life, you want to rewards some community organizations, you gather press-conference, give them gifts, make some cool photos, promote whatever you want to promote, encourage what you want to encourage in these organizations.
Apparently these ships are not supposed to be unique or limited and designed to be used as event rewards. So it should be Ok.
But in this case its not an event rewards, its some under-the-table gifting, which smells badly. Are more of these gifts going around?
There is a proper way of doing things... and there is :ccp: For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
292
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:58:00 -
[66] - Quote
Old Phill wrote:didnt they learn their lesson with the vexors and golden magnate Looking at the date of that evemail, i think that was arranged before that story exploded. Its just that only now some hidden details are coming to light. Some things CCP failed to mention during previous scandal. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Ogopogo Mu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:02:00 -
[67] - Quote
I am sure that, like myself, many players were drawn again and again into Eve because of
GHSC assassination plot stories
Burn Jita
Hulkageddon
player-created videos
giant ponzi scheme news coverage
dynamic player-generated political content lotteries with bad implied odds. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1371
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:05:00 -
[68] - Quote
This whole mess (free Ishukone Watch Scorpions) just has to be someone setting CCP up to look bad, because the alternative, that CCP has done it, is simply appalling.
I think, I hope, I am defending the integrity of CCP here. This is not a signature. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:05:00 -
[69] - Quote
Well, it's like the lottery, but it's in space. What a community service! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2395
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:05:00 -
[70] - Quote
To quote myself from the previous Somer thread:
"Jesus christ CCP, what were you thinking."
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
62
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This whole mess (free Ishukone Watch Scorpions) just has to be someone setting CCP up to look bad, because the alternative, that CCP has done it, is simply appalling.
I think, I hope, I am defending the integrity of CCP here.
Good luck... |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:08:00 -
[72] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:If this is supposed to be the rewards for community service, why does community is not being informed?
Running a highly profitable business is not 'community service', its a highly profitable business. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:08:00 -
[73] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
There are no words for how incredibly low you've sunk, CCP.
Little bit late aren't we?
I mean this happened months ago and it wasn't what you would a secret.
I do find this this new goonie goal of trying to destory somerblink quite funny, please continue with your rage and butthurt :)
Also, how much did kittens lose on somer that mad him so mad? |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
430
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
CCP are you ******* high? If I agreed with you, then we'd both be wrong. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:11:00 -
[75] - Quote
Is this some kind of NCdot Somer Blink shill CTA? Looks like it. Who's funding your alliance these days? |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:12:00 -
[76] - Quote
Watching the rich cry reminds me of peering down from a truck cab into an old ladies Mercedes and watching her cuss and twist her panties back into her crack. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3553
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:13:00 -
[77] - Quote
Blink is not a community website, it's a genious way to make insane amounts of ISK
Why this needs to be rewarded with unique items is beyond me, it isn't like the Blink guys couldn't afford to buy all the special edition ships they ever wanted.
Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:13:00 -
[78] - Quote
Tuggboat wrote:Watching the rich cry reminds me of peering down from a truck cab into an old ladies Mercedes and watching her cuss and twist her panties back into her crack.
Careful as you will also be call a NC.Dot Alt Somerblink shrill because you know, we all are NC.Dot somerblink shrills |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:14:00 -
[79] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Red Templar wrote:If this is supposed to be the rewards for community service, why does community is not being informed? Running a highly profitable business is not 'community service', its a highly profitable business. Well apparently somer falls under "educational" part of what they want to reward. Lotteries usually teach people how to lose all their money on a gamble. But by that reasoning, scammers and gankers should be rewarded as well. They teach players a sad truth about eve. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
584
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:16:00 -
[80] - Quote
Roime wrote:Blink is not a community website, it's a genious way to make insane amounts of ISK
Why this needs to be rewarded with unique items is beyond me, it isn't like the Blink guys couldn't afford to buy all the special edition ships they ever wanted.
By the way, why where they rewarded ? They are not even a true community website ! They are not participating in making non-profitable events. Every Blink mathematically gives them money. G££ <= Me |
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:16:00 -
[81] - Quote
CCP, you have outdone yourselves. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3467
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:18:00 -
[82] - Quote
GÖ½ On the first day of thread - naught not a single f**k was given.. GÖ½ |
Jean Leaner
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
77
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:19:00 -
[83] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Brakoo wrote:This is complete Bullshit, and honestly makes me want to riot/unsub
"awesome community fansites"
you mean a for profit gambling site that doesn't ever question CCP or hold them to any standards like the rest of the community?
A party in it for only there personal gain?
I am very very disconcerted by this
SOMER doesn't create content for EVE, They are not the enablers and instigators.
One day you will stop being a terrible Company CCP Oh calm the hell down. You really should do some fact checking before sperging out things like ' SOMER doesn't create content for EVE'. They are constantly donating to events such and RvB Ganked nights, all my events as well as countless others. Those sponsorship help those player events actually become a reality. Somer is not the only site that sponsors player events either. Many do. Now I'm going to wait for more information on this Scorpion hull deal, but holy crap some of you need hit the brakes and really sit down, gather all the facts and then make an educated opinion on this.
By your logic T20 giving BoB t2 BPO's was Ok because BoB had created content for eve for years, not the least of which included Delve 1, 2 and MAX. CCP handing **** to a for profit entity is a load of bull and is in all honesty, par for the course for how this garbage company operates. |
Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:20:00 -
[84] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Red Templar wrote:If this is supposed to be the rewards for community service, why does community is not being informed? Running a highly profitable business is not 'community service', its a highly profitable business.
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Kate stark
281
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:21:00 -
[85] - Quote
i'll be honest, i have no issue with CCP giving blink stuff to give away to people in their micro lottery raffle whatevers.
however giving the staff stuff "just because" is completely out of line, imo. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
In a previous thread I said, mostly in jest, that T20's actions in spawning T2 BPOs for his chosen favourites, previously assumed to be a serious breach of the sandbox, have instead now been adopted as official CCP policy. It seems that my comments were spot on.
I await a response from the CSM and CCP eagerly. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:26:00 -
[87] - Quote
Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
185
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:27:00 -
[88] - Quote
Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have.
First off, let's look at the joint CSM statement which was recently released, which I agree with: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unread
In particular,
Quote:2. Favoring one community fan site over others.
Issues (2) and (5) are business decisions that CCP has the right to make. We think they are a mistake, and hope that the uproar over this issue will cause CCP to re-evaluate these policies for future promotions. Supporting groups that have a clear educational/public service focus in-game is one thing; supporting a group that is distinctly for-profit -- and one that can use the ISK it generates to secretly support in-game groups -- breeds distrust for CCP in the community.
The Ishukone Watch Scorpion pretty much exists to be given away to community site. While it does have an in-game value, I think that for most recipients it's much more valuable to them as a token of the work they've invested in the EVE Community. Thus, I'm not bothered that people who help to run a far-reaching organization received them.
What I am bothered by is the number of people who didn't receive them. While many different entities have been named by players in this thread and via other media, CCP has a very nice list already made up that I can refer to:
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Kate stark
281
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:27:00 -
[89] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?
yes because wanting a game to actually be fair is now a personal vendetta. right? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
62
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:27:00 -
[90] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?
I-¦m sure, CCP will find another favour to gift free ISK. |
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Gorgoth24
Sickology Dead Terrorists
47
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:29:00 -
[91] - Quote
While this doesn't fill me with the rage it does some of my fellow pilots, I, too, am at a loss. I very much look forward to the public statement on this scandal, but do run it by the CSM first so that that, too, doesn't blow up in anyone's face.
This many PR catastrophes in a row should really involve some introspection. Good intentions notwithstanding, so many of the scandals lately have been completely avoidable. Use the CSM - I can't emphasize that enough. |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?
The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
352
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:30:00 -
[93] - Quote
Doesn't seem CCP will ever ******* learn.
You should not favour one ingame group over another ingame group with in game items, esp one which is for profit and good at marketing !!
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Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP.
Hmm.. well judging by the amount of Goonies posting how Somer is evil it certainly doesn't look that way |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
482
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:32:00 -
[95] - Quote
James Arget wrote:Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have. First off, let's look at the joint CSM statement which was recently released, which I agree with: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unreadIn particular, Quote:2. Favoring one community fan site over others.
Issues (2) and (5) are business decisions that CCP has the right to make. We think they are a mistake, and hope that the uproar over this issue will cause CCP to re-evaluate these policies for future promotions. Supporting groups that have a clear educational/public service focus in-game is one thing; supporting a group that is distinctly for-profit -- and one that can use the ISK it generates to secretly support in-game groups -- breeds distrust for CCP in the community. The Ishukone Watch Scorpion pretty much exists to be given away to community site. While it does have an in-game value, I think that for most recipients it's much more valuable to them as a token of the work they've invested in the EVE Community. Thus, I'm not bothered that people who help to run a far-reaching organization received them. What I am bothered by is the number of people who didn't receive them. While many different entities have been named by players in this thread and via other media, CCP has a very nice list already made up that I can refer to: |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
198
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
I would really like to hear a CCP comment on this. And I hope I don't have to add that it should be comprehensive and honest. CSM, please make them do it.
If this is true it's even worse than the other giveaways cause it happened secretly and was even more directly intended to support an ingame for-profit organization, not that the intent of the other giveaways was much different.
And while I was one of the more vocal opponents against the giveaways in the other threads I now feel a bit stupid for going out of my way to state that I was sure it all happened with the best intentions and just the implementation was really bad. If this turns out to be fact then I'm afraid I can't uphold the "well-intentioned by CCP" claim. IIRC I didn't liken the severity of the other giveaways to the t20 incident because I think they aren't as bad, but these giveaways straight to Somer employees are just as bad. This is the next t20. CCP, can't you see how much you damage your sandbox?
NB: So far I have also gone out of my way to state that this isn't about Somer, because it would be much to ask of them to turn down the other giveaways intended for auction. But taking straight gifts from CCP and even taking action to keep it a secret: shame on you, Somer!
Memnon Shepard wrote:Why am I always left feeling like an idiot supporting CCP publicly? I should probably have learned my lesson by now. Man, I really feel for you. You were among the few reasonable guys in the other threads defending the giveaways. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5863
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:34:00 -
[98] - Quote
"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:34:00 -
[99] - Quote
Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5865
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:36:00 -
[100] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise."
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
Case in point. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
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Kate stark
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:36:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
[102] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid.
I declare this goonie to be seriously butt hurt :) |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point.
Yeah but its true in this case :) |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
352
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
Thats fine but Goons probably provide ingame content to more players in a week than Somer ever have or ever will plus they got the same right to an opinion as anyone else.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
483
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:37:00 -
[105] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
Followed by knee-jerk support of that group by others, also because it isn't them!
Haha, I can't even feign surprise at that, though. |
Kate stark
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:38:00 -
[106] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :)
you say that like it's wrong to be upset when the developers of a game show unfair favoritism to a group of players. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
185
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:39:00 -
[107] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid. I've added this link on to my post to address that particular argument: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976
"CCP Phantom" wrote:If you have something that affects a large part of the EVE community, is active already for a good amount of time and has received a lot of good feedback from the community, then chances are not bad that you will hear sooner or later from us.
We are not saying that SOMER blink is a scam or that SOMER blink is legit, however, we state that SOMER blink is an interesting initiative from within the EVE community that it is well received over the years.
If someone would invest that much time and energy to pull off a scam and is still going strong, well, then this would be quite an awesome story in itself and would deserve some spotlight. So, regardless if SOMER blink is a scam or not, the effort and energy put into this initiative together with the reception from within the EVE community fully justifies this broadened attention.
The EVE community is sparkling with interesting projects run by passionate and dedicate player and I am really happy about this fact. The more everyone knows about all these projects, the better it is in my opinion. Smile
Maybe you can be the next SOMER blink? CSM 8 Representative
http://csm8.org |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5865
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:40:00 -
[108] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :) Uh...
Of course it's true. You make it sound like we aren't making it very clearly known that CCP favoritism is exactly the problem. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:41:00 -
[109] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :)
Multiple threads
Posts on TMC with bad coding to figure out alts
Constant crying about any favouritism that's not directed towards them
Their true colors come out!
So please, continue to cry :grabs popcorn: |
Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:42:00 -
[110] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about?
Problem is, all this is just a goonies, well when I say goonies what I mean is Kittens being pissed that CCP have yet to create a statue in his honor in every system and have yet to rename Eve Online to "The Mittani is God Online"
The only reason they are going after Somer is because they can use the "They make a Profit" line and depict Somer as some Evil Organisation and make unproven accusations that its a cover for RMT.
The fact that Somer has donate hundreds of billions of isk to player sponsored events (more then any other entity in the history of Eve) is irreverent apparently.
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Prince Kobol
962
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:43:00 -
[111] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! Case in point. Yeah but its true in this case :) Uh... Of course it's true. You make it sound like we aren't making it very clearly known that CCP favoritism is exactly the problem.
Yes, your problem is that their supposedly favoritism isn't aimed at you |
Luigi Thirty
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:44:00 -
[112] - Quote
I have created at least as much content in my vaunted Eve career as any Somer Blink payer outer has by enabling Internet gambling. Please provide me with several large space potatoes so that I may continue to provide such content.
Yours truly, Luigi Thirty Space Pilot of the Right Honorable Goonswarm Federation |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
62
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
Me and my Alts have brought a lot of Tritanium to the community. No, I don-¦t want an overexpensive Scorpion for every toon. One or two Plexes would be enough... |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
483
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[114] - Quote
James Arget wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid. I've added this link on to my post to address that particular argument: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976"CCP Phantom" wrote:If you have something that affects a large part of the EVE community, is active already for a good amount of time and has received a lot of good feedback from the community, then chances are not bad that you will hear sooner or later from us.
We are not saying that SOMER blink is a scam or that SOMER blink is legit, however, we state that SOMER blink is an interesting initiative from within the EVE community that it is well received over the years.
If someone would invest that much time and energy to pull off a scam and is still going strong, well, then this would be quite an awesome story in itself and would deserve some spotlight. So, regardless if SOMER blink is a scam or not, the effort and energy put into this initiative together with the reception from within the EVE community fully justifies this broadened attention.
The EVE community is sparkling with interesting projects run by passionate and dedicate player and I am really happy about this fact. The more everyone knows about all these projects, the better it is in my opinion. Smile
Maybe you can be the next SOMER blink?
Oh look, a quote from CCP Phantom that shows a complete misunderstanding of the issue at hand. I remember when you couldn't open up these forums in your browser without seeing at least two of those. Thanks for showing us that the CSM really is worthless. Next time you go to Iceland, stay there. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
146
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[115] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
There are no words for how incredibly low you've sunk, CCP.
CCP rewards a site that is incredibly popular with players (i have never played on the site but i hear people discussing their wins daily) and presumably makes CCP a lot of money via plex sales. Some of these plex would probably not have been bought had it not been for gambling losses. So what we have here is a business paying a bonus to another business both of which are popular with a community that buy their products. Everything beyond that is jealousy as we can see from the "why can't i have one too" comments everywhere. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5865
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 -
[116] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Yes, your problem is that their supposedly favoritism isn't aimed at you Of course, we can't possibly be angry about a ******* dumb change in CCP policy. It has to be that we're upset about not getting spaceship My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2046
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 08:47:00 -
[117] - Quote
"You're doing a great job lining your pockets with our subscribbers' RL monies, here have 30 billion ISK for each of your employees -signed, CCP Backlash".
What, oh what could go wrong? The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Kate stark
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:47:00 -
[118] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about? Problem is, all this is just a goonies, well when I say goonies what I mean is Kittens being pissed that CCP have yet to create a statue in his honor in every system and have yet to rename Eve Online to "The Mittani is God Online" The only reason they are going after Somer is because they can use the "They make a Profit" line and depict Somer as some Evil Organisation and make unproven accusations that its a cover for RMT. The fact that Somer has donate hundreds of billions of isk to player sponsored events (more then any other entity in the history of Eve) is irreverent apparently.
except they aren't going after somer, so i direct you back to the whole "look at the topic you're posting about" part. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
LarcatOfZion
3-Strikes Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:50:00 -
[119] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised!
You don't have to be a goon to see this is bulls**t |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
417
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 08:50:00 -
[120] - Quote
TBH it is not a problem that Sommer employes are given the scorpions. They well deserved it. The problem is that they keep such a politics secret. If they keep it secret than something is not all right, maybe similar sites are not getting any rewards and that can be interpreted as favoritism.
CCP just make your intentions clear and everything will be fine.
Sommer blink deserves rewards, just make it clear to everyone what are you doing. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
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Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:02:00 -
[121] - Quote
How much more crying will we see as the rentals and moon spoils cluster like cottage cheese on an old ladies thighs |
Samantha Seraya
Twinstar Universal Services Insidious Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:02:00 -
[122] - Quote
I think it would ok if CCP would ask for ISK in exchange for these ships but just to gift them stuff is not ok.
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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1238
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:05:00 -
[123] - Quote
For some reason, I'm not very offended by this.
But I would be even less offended if I found a free Ishukone Scorpion waiting for me as a gift to soften the slight offense I feel. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
294
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:07:00 -
[124] - Quote
Silvetica Dian wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
There are no words for how incredibly low you've sunk, CCP. CCP rewards a site that is incredibly popular with players (i have never played on the site but i hear people discussing their wins daily) and presumably makes CCP a lot of money via plex sales. Some of these plex would probably not have been bought had it not been for gambling losses. So what we have here is a business paying a bonus to another business both of which are popular with a community that buy their products. Everything beyond that is jealousy as we can see from the "why can't i have one too" comments everywhere. As i said, its not rewarding that is a problem. Its how it was done.
I would prefer this kind of things would be known to everyone. Preferably on official site. Make a section on website and mention ALL the rewards given out to such organizations. After all, CCp is not doing anything wrong, so why not use publicity out of this. Game company rewards game fansites, it should be good for them. Bug giving out rewards in secret is not good, its quite opposite. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
49
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:07:00 -
[125] - Quote
LarcatOfZion wrote:If anyone should be given free items from CCP it should be the FC's and alliance leaders who create content, Not some rubbish gamblng website, which makes more than enough isk as it is im sure.
Bullshit, without the grunt players FC alliance leaders would be nothing. So no usable items to any individual one. I would if feel concerned about medals or other decorations as they would give that person a kind of CCP approved sign which could be misused for scamming (nothing against scamming - but I want to show all this kind of thing can fire back in several ways) |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
795
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:11:00 -
[126] - Quote
all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Prince Kobol
963
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:15:00 -
[127] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yes, your problem is that their supposedly favoritism isn't aimed at you Of course, we can't possibly be angry about a ******* dumb change in CCP policy. It has to be that we're upset about not getting spaceship
Thanks for making it clear to all why your upset :) |
Anthony Blunt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:15:00 -
[128] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?
Who stands to profit? Who is orchestrating the timing of these revelations. The mittani.com has revealed it's hand. I doubt that the goons want to run the lottery although it is not impossible. To me it seems more like an orchestrated attack on CCP in order to win some concessions somewhere else.
"Its all bout the money" or to quote "the Wire" "You follow the money you never know where it is going to lead"
I am not my main, just a blunt instrument. |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:17:00 -
[129] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about? Problem is, all this is just a goonies, well when I say goonies what I mean is Kittens being pissed that CCP have yet to create a statue in his honor in every system and have yet to rename Eve Online to "The Mittani is God Online" The only reason they are going after Somer is because they can use the "They make a Profit" line and depict Somer as some Evil Organisation and make unproven accusations that its a cover for RMT. The fact that Somer has donate hundreds of billions of isk to player sponsored events (more then any other entity in the history of Eve) is irreverent apparently. except they aren't going after somer, so i direct you back to the whole "look at the topic you're posting about" part.
Lol... of course not
So the numerous posts from goonies saying how Evil somer is, how they are a cover for RMT and how anybody who supports them is a shrill on numerous threads is not going after somer...
Of course :) |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
198
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:19:00 -
[130] - Quote
Anthony Blunt wrote:Who stands to profit? The game and all of its players.
Quote:To me it seems more like an orchestrated attack on CCP in order to win some concessions somewhere else. Exactly. The concession being that they keep their fingers out of the sandbox and stop meddling with ingame competition.
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Arec Bardwin
1128
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:20:00 -
[131] - Quote
Nobody can dig a hole and bury themselves in as CCP |
Lord Valian
The Forgotten Navy Gentlemen's Agreement
13
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:21:00 -
[132] - Quote
Its completly unacceptable that you interfere like this in a PVP game. If it had been F2P - fine, do whatever you want, but in a game where everyone should be on equal terms as far as help from the developers goes, well if you cant see how this is insane then its just sad.
We need to protest this with something CCP will feel the consequences from, because this is overstepping their role far too much.
A 'NO-PLEX" week, where no one buys plex or renews their subscriptions with real money for a week or something like that would surely be felt. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5869
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:21:00 -
[133] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yes, your problem is that their supposedly favoritism isn't aimed at you Of course, we can't possibly be angry about a ******* dumb change in CCP policy. It has to be that we're upset about not getting spaceship Thanks for making it clear to all why your upset :) Thanks for playing dumb, that really progresses the discussion. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
294
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:22:00 -
[134] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lol... of course not
So the numerous posts from goonies saying how Evil somer is, how they are a cover for RMT and how anybody who supports them is a shrill on numerous threads is not going after somer...
Of course :)
And you are ofc not after "goonies" in your campaign You are defender of justice and freedom and truth. And not at all touched by evil goons in delicate places :) For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
159
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:23:00 -
[135] - Quote
James Arget wrote:Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have. First off, let's look at the joint CSM statement which was recently released, which I agree with: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unreadIn particular, Quote:2. Favoring one community fan site over others.
Issues (2) and (5) are business decisions that CCP has the right to make. We think they are a mistake, and hope that the uproar over this issue will cause CCP to re-evaluate these policies for future promotions. Supporting groups that have a clear educational/public service focus in-game is one thing; supporting a group that is distinctly for-profit -- and one that can use the ISK it generates to secretly support in-game groups -- breeds distrust for CCP in the community. The Ishukone Watch Scorpion pretty much exists to be given away to community site. While it does have an in-game value, I think that for most recipients it's much more valuable to them as a token of the work they've invested in the EVE Community. Thus, I'm not bothered that people who help to run a far-reaching organization received them. What I am bothered by is the number of people who didn't receive them. While many different entities have been named by players in this thread and via other media, CCP has a very nice list already made up that I can refer to: |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:31:00 -
[137] - Quote
Anthony Blunt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? Who stands to profit? Who is orchestrating the timing of these revelations. The mittani.com has revealed it's hand. I doubt that the goons want to run the lottery although it is not impossible. To me it seems more like an orchestrated attack on CCP in order to win some concessions somewhere else. "Its all bout the money" or to quote "the Wire" "You follow the money you never know where it is going to lead"
Remove the tin foil hat. TMC is a news site, this story gets hits because it's interesting news. Hits equals ad revenue, all the time CCP goes full ****** and provides a news site with worthy content it will get posted - oddly enough that is how news sites work. The only conspiracy here is the one of CCP's own creation. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
422
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:32:00 -
[138] - Quote
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Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:33:00 -
[139] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Lol... of course not
So the numerous posts from goonies saying how Evil somer is, how they are a cover for RMT and how anybody who supports them is a shrill on numerous threads is not going after somer...
Of course :)
And you are ofc not after "goonies" in your campaign You are defender of justice and freedom and truth. And not at all touched by evil goons in delicate places :)
Not at all, but then again I didn't start a personal crusade against SomerBlink because I feel I am a special bunny and I am angry and jealous that CCP haven't erected monuments in every system depicting me as a god :)
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Kate stark
285
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:34:00 -
[140] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:I didn't start a personal crusade against SomerBlink
nor has any one else. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5873
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:36:00 -
[141] - Quote
If CCP gives me an Ishukone Scorp I'll gladly fraps myself trashing it. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:37:00 -
[142] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I didn't start a personal crusade against SomerBlink nor has any one else.
lmao
I will give you this, your insistence, wrong but insistence :)
Just for note..
Isn't the post made by Scooter McCabe - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283872&find=unread directly against Somerblink? |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2007
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:39:00 -
[143] - Quote
******* cunts. (<--- Wow, filter fail) "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:40:00 -
[144] - Quote
I disapprove. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5873
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:40:00 -
[145] - Quote
Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:43:00 -
[146] - Quote
We all know that this is not about encouraging community initiatives or SOMER wouldn't have been the first or second entity to be choosen in the first place...
We all know that if these gifts were moraly acceptable they would be public and announced, not hidden. Why would you reward community investment ? To encourage others to do the same. (Which is IMO stupid, no reward needed) Hiding the reward negates the very reason of the gift, and it proves that this is not a matter of encouraging any community participation, this is just some poorly handled favoritism that Internal Affairs should look at. G££ <= Me |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:45:00 -
[147] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs.
Lmao
So in other words, I can not argue his point so I will retort to calling him names :)
You guys are so adorable, I just want to scoop you all up, wrap you all up in cotton wool and feed you jelly and ice cream :) |
Kate stark
286
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:45:00 -
[148] - Quote
no it isn't.
"But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings."
this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Othran
Route One
601
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:45:00 -
[149] - Quote
Bloody hell if you're going to give stuff away for running an "awesome website" then give it to Wollari (dotlan). A far higher percentage of Eve players use that site.
Oh and just to join in with the general theme of the thread :
You never learn your lessons CCP. You lurch from one self-inflicted dramabomb to another like a drunk staggers between bars. Get a ******* grip on things. |
Kate stark
286
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:45:00 -
[150] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs. Lmao So in other words, I can not argue his point so I will retort to calling him names :) You guys are so adorable, I just want to scoop you all up, wrap you all up in cotton wool and feed you jelly and ice cream :)
unless it's mint choc chip ice cream then i'm not really interested in your bribes. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2043
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[151] - Quote
Chrissakes CCP, get your **** together. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5874
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[152] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs. Lmao So in other words, I can not argue his point so I will retort to calling him names :) You guys are so adorable, I just want to scoop you all up, wrap you all up in cotton wool and feed you jelly and ice cream :) He can dish it but he can't take it. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
JackTheSkipper
gallente manufacturing enterprise
12
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[153] - Quote
Tao Dolcino wrote:James Arget wrote:Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have. ... Edit: Let me tack this little gem from the original SOMER Community Spotlight in while I'm at it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976 You don't get it eh ? WE DON'T WANT ANY FAVOURITISM !!!
^ this |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
800
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[154] - Quote
The thing that annoy me the most about this is that ccp decide to secretly support somerblink, if they want to support a ingame origination do it publicly!
Doing it secretly only leaves the question, who else is ccp supporting? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:47:00 -
[155] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:no it isn't. "But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings." this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group.
So telling people to boycott Somerblink and that Somer Blink needs to go is not against Somerblink? |
baltec1
Bat Country
8145
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:49:00 -
[156] - Quote
Altrue wrote:We all know that this is not about encouraging community initiatives or SOMER wouldn't have been the first or second entity to be choosen in the first place...
We all know that if these gifts were moraly acceptable they would be public and announced, not hidden. Why would you reward community investment ? To encourage others to do the same. (Which is IMO stupid, no reward needed) Hiding the reward negates the very reason of the gift, and it proves that this is not a matter of encouraging any community participation, this is just some poorly handled favoritism that Internal Affairs should look at.
More or less sums it up. |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:49:00 -
[157] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs. Lmao So in other words, I can not argue his point so I will retort to calling him names :) You guys are so adorable, I just want to scoop you all up, wrap you all up in cotton wool and feed you jelly and ice cream :) He can dish it but he can't take it.
Hey, I'm in FinFleet.. trust me I can take it
Unlike yourself you pesky little pipsqueak :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5874
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:50:00 -
[158] - Quote
You're not even trying anymore. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:50:00 -
[159] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:You're not even trying anymore.
That is because I don't have to |
baltec1
Bat Country
8145
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:51:00 -
[160] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:no it isn't. "But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings." this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group. So telling people to boycott Somerblink and that Somer Blink needs to go is not against Somerblink?
The linked news story mentions none of these things. |
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Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:51:00 -
[161] - Quote
You really do. |
Kate stark
287
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:51:00 -
[162] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:no it isn't. "But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings." this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group. So telling people to boycott Somerblink and that Somer Blink needs to go is not against Somerblink?
"But what we can do is punish the player organization invovled. We simply stop using them and let disuse wither away the existence of Somer Blink. Sure its unreasonable because so many people love using Somer Blink and real the villain here is CCP but what are you going to do?"
emphasis very much mine, for very much your benefit.
you're just proving, yet again, that you've yet to actually read the post you keep quoting. he clearly says somer isn't the issue however not using them is the only action the poster things that we, as players, have at our disposal.
now, please. go and read the post before you post again. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
184
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:53:00 -
[163] - Quote
Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too? Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
160
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:55:00 -
[164] - Quote
arabella blood wrote:Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too? Sadly, even without NDA they stated that they would not tell us everything, "for our own good" |
baltec1
Bat Country
8145
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:57:00 -
[165] - Quote
arabella blood wrote:Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too?
Its the weekend. Chances are they want to speak to CCP first. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1581
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:59:00 -
[166] - Quote
dear ccp
i am a regular community contributor with over one thousand five hundred 'like's
you can deposit my ishukone scorpion into my hangar in maut solar system
thankyou |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
800
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 09:59:00 -
[167] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:arabella blood wrote:Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too? Its the weekend. Chances are they want to speak to CCP first.
what exactly do we then need them for, can't someone from ccp not just tell us the same then? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1543
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:01:00 -
[168] - Quote
Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. CCP Navagiator AKA CCP T20 |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
586
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:01:00 -
[169] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp.
Now if only you could actually spell 'Navigator' |
O'Ran
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:02:00 -
[170] - Quote
well this is depressing. |
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21547
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:03:00 -
[171] - Quote
...and again, the community is raging against CCPs arbitrariness when handling "their game".
Touching, really. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Kaladin Frostfire
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:03:00 -
[172] - Quote
This all thing is...really low of CCP. In a corrupt way.
Things will, burn... |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1582
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:05:00 -
[173] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. Now if only you could actually spell 'Navigator' you spelled 'navagiator' wrong |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1545
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:12:00 -
[174] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. Now if only you could actually spell 'Navigator'
My emotions hindered me from spelling you-know-who's true name. CCP Navagiator AKA CCP T20 |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
878
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:18:00 -
[175] - Quote
450bil ISK ~ $15.000 |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
63
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:23:00 -
[176] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:450bil ISK ~ $15.000
And this from thin air with just one ore two mouseclicks. Better than every central bank. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.
The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.
This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.
It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.
As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.
What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.
And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinaty (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.
Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.
As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be ethically bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.
Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
371
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:29:00 -
[178] - Quote
I for one support this public private partnership enabling the efficient distribution of resources. Anyone against is probably a trouble making socialist jealous of somer's success, get a job you hippies. |
Prince Kobol
963
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:29:00 -
[179] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.
The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.
This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.
It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.
As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.
What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.
And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinaty (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.
Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.
As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.
Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner.
Now if this had been posted at the beginning then this thread might of gone different, a very good and well constructed post that gets to the heart of the matter without the grrr we hate somerblink, they are evil, we should boycott them, they are involved in RMT etc .
Nicely done and many thanks :)
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2408
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:31:00 -
[180] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." You could make a comment about how drinking bleach is bad for you with a Goonswarm Federation tag and you'd get 20 pubbies falling over each other to post the opposite. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Grey Stormshadow
Fistful of Finns Game Over.
1606
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:36:00 -
[181] - Quote
Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't.
Get |
Disdaine
425
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:44:00 -
[182] - Quote
What a dik move. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
905
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:45:00 -
[183] - Quote
Someone must be fired, and fast!!! Unbelievable!! The Tears Must Flow |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2410
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:45:00 -
[184] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps.
It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Igor Nappi
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:46:00 -
[185] - Quote
Why doesn't CCP just hand Somer Blink a PLEX BPO and be done with it? |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3090
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:50:00 -
[186] - Quote
This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Like any honest politician, "My door is always open, and my hand is always out" |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2410
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:51:00 -
[187] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. hi5 changed signature buddy CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
163
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:51:00 -
[188] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.
The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.
This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.
It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.
As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.
What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.
And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinary (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.
Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.
As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.
Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner.
This is very well thought out and well put, CCP should take heed.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21547
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:52:00 -
[189] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:What a dik move. ...and that's pretty much all one can say about that whole affair, everything else is just moot. CCP does what they deem right, you can agree with them or disagree, but in the end, all you do is paying them money to play their game... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Kate stark
288
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:54:00 -
[190] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps. It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others.
i don't really see an issue with ccp giving blink prizes to raffle off or whatever; i think it's an interesting way to get things out to the community.
however from what i can tell these scorpions weren't given to them as raffle prizes but rather as a "hey buddy, have something nobody else has because you're our favourites" and that is, in my opinion, wrong.
unless i'm missing something here. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
78
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:58:00 -
[191] - Quote
What if CCP has no ideea about the recent... hmh....adventures () of CCP Navigator? I really really would LMFAO. But would be not a single moment surprised. |
Kate stark
289
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:00:00 -
[192] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote:What if CCP has no ideea about the recent... hmh....adventures ( ) of CCP Navigator? I really really would LMFAO. But would be not a single moment surprised.
sacrifice the individual to protect the masses.
:tinfoil: Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
52
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:01:00 -
[193] - Quote
Am I one of the few people who doesn't mind this at all D: |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
335
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:06:00 -
[194] - Quote
There are tons of CCP employees recruited from the community that where sponsored by somer when they still where eve players. It looks like now that they are in a position inside CCP with more control over the game, they thought it would be a good idea to just spawn some assets for their old friends..
This is in no way different that the T20 incident no mater how hard you try CCP. I think you have a separate team with the task to prevent this from happening again. Where are they, all in vacation?
You don't take the Eve sandbox serious do you? You are still under the impression you can do with it as you please and your customers will swallow it. It seams you learned nothing in the past. How sad.. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:15:00 -
[195] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:unless i'm missing something here.
Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21547
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:16:00 -
[196] - Quote
...and it works, obviously. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
FluffyDice
Kronos Research Space Wolves Alliance
574
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:17:00 -
[197] - Quote
To celebrate my unhappiness with CCP I'm quitting the game. After I blink all of my isk away... |
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:17:00 -
[198] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:Kate stark wrote:unless i'm missing something here. Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.
I could live with this if the Ishukone Scorpion would follow the same rules as highsec capitals. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:19:00 -
[199] - Quote
Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote:I could live with this if the Ishukone Scorpion would follow the same rules as highsec capitals.
You've been living with it since slightly before last year's fanfest, when they started handing these things out like candy.
You just didn't have a shiptoast forum campaign to tell you about it then. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
150
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:22:00 -
[200] - Quote
i hope ppl will stop support somer, this is just plain stupid
First time i say on forums about ccp in 7 years but:
CCP THIS IS A ******** MOVE! The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2413
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:23:00 -
[201] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps. It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others. i don't really see an issue with ccp giving blink prizes to raffle off or whatever; i think it's an interesting way to get things out to the community. however from what i can tell these scorpions weren't given to them as raffle prizes but rather as a "hey buddy, have something nobody else has because you're our favourites" and that is, in my opinion, wrong. unless i'm missing something here.
1. The lottery prizes were given out with no oversight whatsoever and accompanied by CCP staff posting vouches for Somer's trustworthiness that they had no way of verifying or enforcing.
2. Somer is a business, not a charity. 'Giving Somer prizes to raffle off' still resulted in a massive upsurge of revenue to Somer from increased player interest. Some of that traffic will inevitably have been taken from other competing lottery providers. For CCP to be picking winners and losers for player driven events and businesses ("We're going to make Somer more money this week at the expense of their competitors, just because we can!") is an unacceptable intrusion into the sandbox.
3. We now see that Somer has apparently been chosen as CCP's favourites for valuable giveaways on two occasions in quick succession. Once was bad enough but could conceivably be explained away as a genuine lapse in judgement. But for them to be singled out for special treatment twice? That stinks. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
542
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:24:00 -
[202] - Quote
RIP what's left of the Jita 4-4 Monument. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1086
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:25:00 -
[203] - Quote
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:Am I one of the few people who doesn't mind this at all D:
Maybe because you're like this guy: http://imgur.com/gallery/9MV4Yl7
Getting close there myself.
Also: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNHdUclCMAAGcB_.jpg |
Jove Death
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
94
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:26:00 -
[204] - Quote
A while back you accidently dropped a 50 bpo container in BoB Space
With that in mind this was ages ago but recently CCP have you actually gone mad?
Firstly you drop your guard and 2 chars kill a ship that has an enigma in it. Because you actually screwed up you took it back by only offering 1 plex to each of the chars involved. In other words they could not keep the item and something must have been threatened as if it was me i would not have let you have it for less than 300 bill.
Secondly you hire mintchip
Thirdly you hire some EA nub
Then one of your best staff leave and now this?.
What da heck is going on.
If were going down that road can you drop a jove bs in my hangar please .
ta
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
51
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:29:00 -
[205] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court
While CCP can give anyone anything they like in the game, this doesn't mean its good for the game. Giving every account something is OK (as long is it happens rarely - otherwise it affects the economy of the sandbox) as no one is favored. Handig valuable items to a group of individuals is not OK. Neither publically nor privately. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:30:00 -
[206] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote: Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.
Wow, you're totally right, in no way did Sun Win clearly state in the article:
Sun Win wrote: The special edition battleships are not available to manufacture and are rarely given out by CCP. Eighty-one were given away at FanFest as part of the Charity Poker Tournament and PvP Tournament and added to the game as part of the Odyssey expansion. Another was given out as part of a role-playing event and SOMER Blink was given ten to use as rewards. To date, there have been no other public giveaways of the ship, meaning that SOMER Blink employees' private rewards may account for a quarter of the Scorpions Ishukone Watch in the game. The ships tend to sell for 10-20 billion ISK meaning that the gift was worth 300-600 billion ISK.
Ohh, wait, it almost looks as if the author clearly stated how many had been given away in the past.
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:31:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lugalbandak wrote:i hope ppl will stop support somer, this is just plain stupid
First time i say on forums about ccp in 7 years but:
CCP THIS IS A MONGOLOID MOVE! Or just a offensive move?
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Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
25
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:33:00 -
[208] - Quote
Here are the problems for me as a new players:
1: Favoring Somer with prizes that people who didn't blink couldn't win therefore cutting out most of the player base.
2: Favoring Somer with rare prizes while ignoring all the many groups that actually create fun and content. More people would be angry if they gave these ships to James315 because at least he gives me enjoyable tears to read for no payment.
3: Favoring Somer with more rare prizes for starting an ingame business that makes them billions of isk. Should the most successful scammer also get his isk doubled?
4: CCP giving players stuff in secret because they know it is wrong.
5: CCP starting their "community outreach" with an old friend that some of them used to work for. That just looks bad.
6: CSM for being mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed on bull****. I have heard of the T20 scandal that gave rise to them and they are supposed to stop this. I even took time to vote without having to be ordered by my nulsec block. More fool me. |
Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:33:00 -
[209] - Quote
Who gives a flying ****, its not like its something that unique, they are just some pretty ships for a bunch of guys that provide a fantastic service.
Do you think other people haven't got stuff for service the community?
Jesus you are all drama llamas!
Get over it. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
463
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:34:00 -
[210] - Quote
I don't think CCP has a right to be giving out rewards to players for out of game or in game stuff, at least not with consequences.
So far this month, they gave in game items to Somer Blink, worth trillions, to generate a massive profit, they dropped half a trillion isk worth of items to one specific alliance (sure it was advertised as an event) but any one that actually turned up to PL's home system would have been vaporized, only have to watch the vid of it to see that. Now they're spawning otherwise rare and unobtainable ships for Somer again (well prior to the gifting of the unique ships).
People might say who cares, but just like PL's loot, which was converted into isk, since it was all sold to one person, these ships likely will be converted into isk too and then used for what? Half a trillion isk buys a lot of ships, so anyone fighting PL will now have to pit their properly earned assets against some assets that were spawned by the developers and gifted.
Who knows what alliance Somer is connected with, but the odds are those trillions of iskies will be used to kill someone who actually earned their isk. How do you win wars against magically spawned trillions when you have to actually earn your own isk the proper way?
Its bullshite.
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
79
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:36:00 -
[211] - Quote
Dalmont Delantee wrote:Who gives a flying ****, its not like its something that unique, they are just some pretty ships for a bunch of guys that provide a fantastic service.
Do you think other people haven't got stuff for service the community?
Jesus you are all drama llamas!
Get over it. Name at least a single guy wich did FREE services to comunity and got rewarded. Meh, kind sir. Meh. *** And i find it pretty stupid that people fail to understand that it's not about the people who recieved the goodies. It's about the tendentious way those were given. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
205
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:43:00 -
[212] - Quote
Who is in charge of those messups? WHO DID THAT? |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:46:00 -
[213] - Quote
It wasn't only Blink who got them ships.
The only problem i see is CCP being rather secretive about the whole thing. Communicate it properly and all is well.
Watching the goons freak out over Blink is pretty funny tho. What happened there, did the Mittani have his blink account banned? Did he apply for a job at Blink and got declined? pew pew |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
205
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:46:00 -
[214] - Quote
Dalmont Delantee wrote:Who gives a flying ****, its not like its something that unique, they are just some pretty ships for a bunch of guys that provide a fantastic service.
Do you think other people haven't got stuff for service the community?
Jesus you are all drama llamas!
Get over it.
Please just shut up if you know jack. |
E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
51
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:48:00 -
[215] - Quote
hey CCP, if I'd pretend to be a somer guy as well and you forgot to give me my scorpion, would this be against the eula? |
Kali Mezuko
Artificial Stupidity
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:49:00 -
[216] - Quote
Easy fix.
If you have nothing to hide, publish the complete list of recipients.
Presumably the list contains more than one entry... |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
342
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:49:00 -
[217] - Quote
It's already been established that CCP can give whatever the hell they want to Somer.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298
We've already been through this with a public gift at least an order of magnitude greater. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by this, or expects anything to be done. The first time around nobody relevant cared, I fail to see why this is any different except in being far lower in value.
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Kate stark
293
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:49:00 -
[218] - Quote
Zen Guerrilla wrote:It wasn't only Blink who got them ships.
The only problem i see is CCP being rather secretive about the whole thing. Communicate it properly and all is well.
Watching the goons freak out over Blink is pretty funny tho. What happened there, did the Mittani have his blink account banned? Did he apply for a job at Blink and got declined?
yeah but as far as i'm aware, blink are the only ones who got it for essentially doing nothing more than making isk.
there are so many distinguishing features between blink and the other recipients of the scorpions.
either way i've said my bit and i'm bored of the discussion. you guys carry on without me. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
205
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:49:00 -
[219] - Quote
Zen Guerrilla wrote:Watching the goons freak out over Blink is pretty funny tho. What happened there, did the Mittani have his blink account banned? Did he apply for a job at Blink and got declined?
It seems that Goons are the only ones understanding a sandbox nowadays which is rather scary. |
Roxwar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
119
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:55:00 -
[220] - Quote
CCP are you ******* kidding me?
Giving 20b ships out to corp members of somer as a thanks for providing content? Seriously?
You guys have totally lost the plot and ****** up big time if this is true, Ive been waiting for a reason to quit this game and you've given me one if this is true. The ****** in charge of this decision needs demoting until he learns how eve (should) work. When the devs start favoring one entity over another and gifting unique ships worth 20b for free, its time to call it a day.
You guys know what you were doing is questionable, otherwise it would have been made completely transparent for the whole community to know, BUT IT WASNT AND YOU KEPT IT CLANDENSTINE because you knew what a **** storm it would cause.
******* idiots. |
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xXThunder StruckXx
Sandman Plc
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:55:00 -
[221] - Quote
Goon whiney tears = best tears.
I love how the goons and spittani get all high and mighty if they feel someone is getting something they think they should be party to.
Grow up goonies |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
967
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:01:00 -
[222] - Quote
:popcorn: I hate douchebags. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
320
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:05:00 -
[223] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I actually hope this isn't true, and that TheMittani.com got fed a bogus story, because basically it would mean I've paid for and put time into a game that's no different from some teenager's personal game server in which he drops loot for his buddies.
Seriously, it's getting beyond pathetic. |
Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
118
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:07:00 -
[224] - Quote
Wow, CCP needs to rethink its policy on this or control its employees, whichever applies.
The T20 incident didn't already cover why this is a bad idea? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
906
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:09:00 -
[225] - Quote
Delete the Scorpions, fire the CCP employees involved with this mess and ban everyone from somer blink. Problem solved. The Tears Must Flow |
Ed Tekki
Grief University
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:34:00 -
[226] - Quote
Hi CCP,
I'm Ed Tekki. Dean at Grief University, DUST's premier metagaming corp. We have contributed about 95% of all player generated content for DUST so far, including the very first DUST AWOX, Kill-resing (which has really taken off now) and other wonderful things that have lit up the DUST community in it's very darkest hours, and I'm deligted to hear that due to your new system of rewarding people who generate ingame content, I'll be recieving loads of free stuff to distribute to my students and fellow proffessors very soon!
I eagerly await your evemail detailing what and when we will be recieving, and my students and proffessors are very excited at the news.
Sincerly
Dean of Grief University Proffessor Edward Tekki BA(teerz) MA PHd |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
161
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:39:00 -
[227] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court
You really don't get it.... Public or secret, it changes nothing : if this was public we would still find it unfair, see what has happened with somergate 1. Your CSM colleague in another thread fail the same way than you to understand this basic fact. In fact they all failed to answer our main concern. You CSM have been created after a similar scandal to avoid that it happens again, and now you are as effective and dynamic as a piece of butter and have no wish at all to put in danger your position of CCP's spokespersons.
All what you are able to tell us is : 1) we cannot speak because the NDA 2) even when it's not under the NDA, we don't want to tell you, "for your own good" (words from another of your colleagues). 3) CCP is the boss, they can do what they want and we have nothing to say.
What it shows is that we can't rely on you to defend us players against CCP's skulduggeries. |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
185
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:01:00 -
[228] - Quote
Just to be clear - CCP already has a program of rewording players!!
Its called "Media account" - and its basiclly playing for free.
VV got it, CSM members got it, and perhaps some more i know of
...so that wasn't enough reward? they had to give them ships??? Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Iniuria Viget
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:05:00 -
[229] - Quote
CCP can do what it likes with its promotional internet spaceships, but why give them away in secret? Not much promotion there. Why did SOMER receive them in secret? The way the leaked Mahm e-mail is written it implies that SOMER were asked to keep their gift low profile.
Are CCP deliberately trying to create scandals to get more publicity? |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
210
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:13:00 -
[230] - Quote
A business is not a community website, otherwise you might as well start donating ships to everyone within the CODE for having done so much for our community!
I can't believe you give these ships to a lottery... a lottery even before ISD, r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d. I disagree |
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
576
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:16:00 -
[231] - Quote
Interesting people don't even check facts before posting on a news outlet.
Autumnries Mahm is an impersonator, he has been spamming trade chat with a scam all of last two days.
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Blanca Meadow
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:20:00 -
[232] - Quote
It's simple and easy. Blink causes players to win/loose isk. Players that lost isk, want to have isk back. What's easiest way to have isk? Buy PLEX. More isk lost on gambling=more PLEXes bought=more income for CCP. It's not any 'CCP favrourite fansite', it's simply their best business partner, bringing income to CCP...
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
166
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:22:00 -
[233] - Quote
if this pans out to be true, it's very disappointing news.
Eve Online Original Intro |
NenYim
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:23:00 -
[234] - Quote
James Arget wrote:/me facepalms
This is not what I was looking forward to dealing with tonight.
i understand CCP gifting a few plex... im ok with that but the way they did it and the magnitude..... IDIOTS!
PS, Somer is a business and is run like one, they make a massive profit and im happy they sponsor some of our content but that doesn't change the fact that they still make a bucket load of isk from there players... |
MinnieGirl
Probes of Uranus
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:24:00 -
[235] - Quote
I'm starting to regret buying a year's subscription for this game. What I should have done was develop external software (websites, industry calcs, spreadsheets, market bots, mining bots) in order to not only rake in insane amounts of ISK no paying subscriber will ever be able to match, but also get REWARDED for it for providing "game content".
I've seen more game content from spammers, bots and ISK sellers than these guys. Can I get a refund for the remaining of the 1 year subscription I bought? |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:28:00 -
[236] - Quote
No matter how much of a cash cow Somer is to CCP, this blatant favouritism towards Somer is unfair and digustingly bad. In all fairness to the Eve community, it has to stop.
CCP, why are you doing this? ( Besides thanking Somer for CCP gaining a means of a cash revenue. )
Is Eve now "Pay To Win"? It sure seems that way. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:29:00 -
[237] - Quote
Blanca Meadow wrote:It's simple and easy. Blink causes players to win/loose isk. Players that lost isk, want to have isk back. What's easiest way to have isk? Buy PLEX. More isk lost on gambling=more PLEXes bought=more income for CCP. It's not any 'CCP favrourite fansite', it's simply their best business partner, bringing income to CCP...
That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:31:00 -
[238] - Quote
Hey yeah, I'm gonna say it again. If this kind of thing is as disgustingly commonplace as it looks, where the hell is Mitten's Ishukone Watch Scorpion? Goonswarm is responsible for a huge chunk of CCP's revenue after all, and runs the best news service via TM.com. What makes these chuckle-****s running a few community events more important to the eve community more worthy than the countless hours of gameplay content created by Goonswarm?
Shame CCP, for shame. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:32:00 -
[239] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court
Dear Trebor, do try to keep up.
It is not the secrecy etc that is the main issue, bad as that is.
It is the fact that CCP is favouring a player corp.
As bad as I am at Eve, I like to think that at least we are all playing by the same rules and those who do well, do so by their own efforts, not their own efforts and some help from CCP.
I would suggest that the CSM take this up with CCP, but they seem to ignore you as a group. This is not a signature. |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:33:00 -
[240] - Quote
THIS IS MADNESS |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1550
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:37:00 -
[241] - Quote
What's striking about the entire situation involving SOMER is not so much that they're being gifted items, it's the lack of gifted items to people and groups that have been in the game longer and done much much more to actually promote the game by encouraging, teaching, providing tools & education to play the game. They get nothing, and many of them do it as a charity to CCP who is too ******* lazy to do it themselves.
Honestly, if I were one of these people who ran a fansite, I'd shut it down. I would consider this a slap in the face. If major portions of game content, and lets face it, most of the content for the game is meta and player developed, disappeared like the market sites, the online tutorials, the system/corp/alliance information sites the game would lose all but basic playability. I can't play the game without utilizing at least 3 player developed and ran sites a day who do it for zero commercial profit. If they weren't available I seriously don't know how I would play the game.
If I setup PI, off to Eve-uni's site. If I do some market research, off to eve-central or eve-market (my own personal spreadsheets pull from these sites). If I'm tooling around w-space, off to wormnav and siggy is a must have. Or nullsec/losec then its dotlan. If I'm setting up some new ships, over to EFT. Setting up a skill plan, Evemon (though BC does it for profit), but then there's also EveHQ which afaik is non-profit. If I'm running intel on a person a see in space, any of the plethora of kill-boards to get more info of ship fittings, groups, etc, etc, etc.
Seems to me, shooting the monument is just so Incarna, perhaps the players need to protest by asking the creators of the content that makes the game actually playable to coordinate a blackout in protest. Don't ban me, bro! |
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
94
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:38:00 -
[242] - Quote
The impersonator is Autumnries Mahn. Notice the 'n' instead of an 'm' for the last letter. I'm pretty sure Autumnries Mahm is the real deal. |
Din Chao
359
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:42:00 -
[243] - Quote
Molic Blackbird wrote:The impersonator is Autumnries Mahn. Notice the 'n' instead of an 'm' for the last letter. I'm pretty sure Autumnries Mahm is the real deal. You are correct. http://evewho.com/pilot/Autumnries+Mahm |
Kelby
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:48:00 -
[244] - Quote
I am outraged.... only because I'm jealous though lol
rabble rabble rabble |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1175
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:48:00 -
[245] - Quote
Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? |
Kelby
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:49:00 -
[246] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20?
I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:49:00 -
[247] - Quote
How have you managed to obtain all your items without being scammed out of billions?
You just accused https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Autumnries%20Mahm of being a scam, when in fact that's the CEO/Owner/rollingaroundinpilesofisk of Somer.
You should, instead, have been aiming your scam accusation at:
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Autumnries%20Mahn and https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Autumnries%20Mahnn
Then if we use a little basic comparison we'll see that the name linked on the TMC image of the eve mail directly matches that of the profile of the alt (or maybe alt, or possibly alt, or who knows what you can say with the new TOS) of Somerset Mahm |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:50:00 -
[248] - Quote
Gamer4liff wrote:Hey yeah, I'm gonna say it again. If this kind of thing is as disgustingly commonplace as it looks, where the hell is Mitten's Ishukone Watch Scorpion? Goonswarm is responsible for a huge chunk of CCP's revenue after all, and runs the best news service via TM.com. What makes these chuckle-****s running a large lottery scam and a few community events more important to the eve community than the countless hours of gameplay content created by Goonswarm?
Shame CCP, for shame.
Every time you post you actually hurt the argument.. please stop |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:55:00 -
[249] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Blanca Meadow wrote:It's simple and easy. Blink causes players to win/loose isk. Players that lost isk, want to have isk back. What's easiest way to have isk? Buy PLEX. More isk lost on gambling=more PLEXes bought=more income for CCP. It's not any 'CCP favrourite fansite', it's simply their best business partner, bringing income to CCP...
That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners.
This is a good post as there are other means of thanking players for their work out of game and not adding more poop in the sand box so to speak.
By all means give those players who run these 3rd Party Sites, create 3rd party tools that enhances Eve for all players a token of thanks, but not something that can have an effect in game.
Models, game time automatically added to their account, an item of clothing.. It doesn't matter what it is so long as it is not something in game.
Also don't make a big secret of it. Do it in the open, make an event out if it so all players know that you will reward and give recognition to those who enhance Eve for all players.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
430
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:58:00 -
[250] - Quote
If it sells PLEX then it didn't happen... |
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
584
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:59:00 -
[251] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote: That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners.
This fuckin legend right here gets it
Spot on and great post. |
Angel Korstar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:59:00 -
[252] - Quote
All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready. |
Prince Kobol
965
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:03:00 -
[253] - Quote
Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
Whilst I believe there is an element of this in this, it still doesn't detract from the fact that CCP has made a very big mistake here.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
584
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:05:00 -
[254] - Quote
Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
If all you see is greed and cry babies then you're officially ********. This was an IQ test and you have passed with a stunning score of mongoloid, congratz, I'm sure your mum would be proud.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16757
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:05:00 -
[255] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners. Not empty-quoting.
At this point, I'm wondering what they'll seed the people who have been working on dotlan, battleclinic, EFT, EVEMon, Pyfa, EVEUni, Goons. I suppose Chribba should be given 7 unique ships GÇö one for each insanely useful site he has contributed to the community. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:06:00 -
[256] - Quote
Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident.
Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues.
This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3472
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:09:00 -
[257] - Quote
Has this been dealt with yet?
Honestly I hope CCP does more of this. The oceans of tears from the same people who felt they were entitled to mess with everybody else's game is rather enjoyable to sail my Hate Boat on.
It's going to be good sailing
Anybody up for a regatta? We'll call it the Ishukone Cup. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1307
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:10:00 -
[258] - Quote
Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:10:00 -
[259] - Quote
Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
All I see is someone who fails to make elementary deductive reasoning.
The issue is not that 'Goons didn't get shiny toys when the kid next to them did' the issue is that CCP is giving out toys at all. That's then compounded by the fact they're giving them to a gambling site that makes piles of isk and doesn't actually need the toys in the first place.
CCP gave billions of isk worth free stuff to players who 'work' for somer blink. They gave billions to trillions of isk worth of free stuff to Somer blink to do what they wanted with, which while they gave it away, still gave Somer Blink billions more profit that week.
While more obvious (which perhaps is the problem for some people not making the simple comparison and understanding of CCP's flawed ethics here), how would you feel if CCP was giving free stuff to (corporation you don't like who fights you and beats you because of CCP's free stuff)?
For the other eve lotteries, Somer Blink is the big company that not only has the bulk of the market, but gets bonus handouts and freebies from CCP to ensure it stays the big kid on the block.
CCP Navigator's decision making process on this issue, and whoever else in the company was involved in signing off on it, is entirely lacking in respect for the integrity of the game. It makes a mockery of the term 'sandbox' (already strained as it is in terms of Eve) and gives scant regard for the players who try to play by the rules. Given the near Godwinism of T20 whenever CCP does anything that looks in the slightest bit unethical, it should have been of little shock to them that them doing exactly what T20 did would cause people to think 'same old CCP, always cheating |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:13:00 -
[260] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Honestly I hope CCP does more of this. The oceans of tears from the same people who felt they were entitled to mess with everybody else's game is rather enjoyable to sail my Hate Boat on.
Yeah, because players blowing up players is totally comparable to CCP giving hundreds of billions (probably trillions at this point) to a particular isk machine... Not.. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3472
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:15:00 -
[261] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Honestly I hope CCP does more of this. The oceans of tears from the same people who felt they were entitled to mess with everybody else's game is rather enjoyable to sail my Hate Boat on.
Yeah, because players blowing up players is totally comparable to CCP giving hundreds of billions (probably trillions at this point) to a particular isk machine... Not..
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
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Rhatar Khurin
United Earth Directorate
157
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:16:00 -
[262] - Quote
Argh! Not more bullplop Somer blink drama, it's getting really tiresome.... |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
401
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:18:00 -
[263] - Quote
So.... TMC posted an unverified article purely on a 'leaked e-mail' that could easily have been fabricated. Response. Lots of emo internet kids rage.
Really. Settle down, wait for a CCP response to these allegations before cancelling Subs, burning Jita or any other such nonsense atm. All you people doing talking about that are doing is showing exactly how immature you are and how little CCP should care about your opinion when you have no interest in the facts but are letting yourself be jerked around by the first guy out with a story that makes you mad.
This isn't to say that is this is true I won't have an issue with it myself, but I am not going to break out the pitch forks without actually listening to the other story, I will not be part of a lynch mob. Especially not one that is placing itself in line for a major law suit.
As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
53027
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:19:00 -
[264] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
Surely the goblin king under his mountain is not going to just sit there and take it, right? Or have those days passed?
Oh c'mon Herzog. You know those things are Undockable Hangar Queens. They'll never see the Dark of Space.
....and leave David Bowie out of it. This is complex enough already. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Angel Korstar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:19:00 -
[265] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready. All I see is someone who fails to make elementary deductive reasoning. The issue is not that 'Goons didn't get shiny toys when the kid next to them did' the issue is that CCP is giving out toys at all (outside reasonable competition, such as alliance tournament etc. etc.). That's then compounded by the fact they're giving them to a gambling site that makes piles of isk and doesn't actually need the toys in the first place. CCP gave billions of isk worth free stuff to players who 'work' for somer blink. They gave billions to trillions of isk worth of free stuff to Somer blink to do what they wanted with, which while they gave it away, still gave Somer Blink billions more profit that week. While more obvious (which perhaps is the problem for some people not making the simple comparison and understanding of CCP's flawed ethics here), how would you feel if CCP was giving free stuff to (corporation you don't like who fights you and beats you because of CCP's free stuff)? For the other eve lotteries, Somer Blink is the big company that not only has the bulk of the market, but gets bonus handouts and freebies from CCP to ensure it stays the big kid on the block. CCP Navigator's decision making process on this issue, and whoever else in the company was involved in signing off on it, is entirely lacking in respect for the integrity of the game. It makes a mockery of the term 'sandbox' (already strained as it is in terms of Eve) and gives scant regard for the players who try to play by the rules. Given the near Godwinism of T20 whenever CCP does anything that looks in the slightest bit unethical, it should have been of little shock to them that them doing exactly what T20 did would cause people to think 'same old CCP, always cheating
This post is well thought out and makes a point, thanks for looking beyond my knee jerk reaction. Might the gift giving possibly be a reward for all the plex that might (or might not) be purchased from CCP to gamble with? Honest question.
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Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:19:00 -
[266] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident. Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues. This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy.
No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar.
I really like how they like and unofficially endorse SOMER blink which is a gambling outfit when there are jurisdictions where all gambling on the internet are forbidden and even so when they aren't the main function of some site/game. But for ccp this is just par for the course I guess. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
590
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 14:20:00 -
[267] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
Surely the goblin king under his mountain is not going to just sit there and take it, right? Or have those days passed?
Do you understand the hypocrisy in this statement?
"hey this is a sandbox"
You made me laugh
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
65
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:23:00 -
[268] - Quote
Angel Korstar wrote: Might the gift giving possibly be a reward for all the plex that might (or might not) be purchased from CCP to gamble with? Honest question.
Nothing else... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3473
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:24:00 -
[269] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
Surely the goblin king under his mountain is not going to just sit there and take it, right? Or have those days passed?
Oh c'mon Herzog. You know those things are Undockable Hangar Queens. They'll never see the Dark of Space. ....and leave David Bowie out of it. This is complex enough already.
Well maybe the goons can gank Jita or something. I hear there's a monument in there that they can practice on.
Come to think of it, nowhere else have I seen more confusing of Activism and Resistance than in this MMO.
GÖ½ Hate Boat soon will be making another run GÖ½ The Hate Boat promises something for everyone GÖ½ GÖ½
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:26:00 -
[270] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP.
CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received.
The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1177
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:29:00 -
[271] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP. CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received. The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
They could delete all the handed out ships, publicly apologize to the community as a whole, and promise never to hand out any in-game items to any other organization, ever. Although after the second time I'm not sure how many people would believe that promise.
A team of community representatives should be established to consult any such future decisions with CCP to ensure this doesn't happen again... oh wait. |
Prince Kobol
968
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:30:00 -
[272] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP. CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received. The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
This is what worries me.
A lot of good people and entities stand to lose out because of the mess CCP have made of something which was a relatively simple thing to do. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:30:00 -
[273] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:So.... TMC posted an unverified article purely on a 'leaked e-mail' that could easily have been fabricated. Response. Lots of emo internet kids rage.
Really. Settle down, wait for a CCP response to these allegations before cancelling Subs, burning Jita or any other such nonsense atm. All you people doing talking about that are doing is showing exactly how immature you are and how little CCP should care about your opinion when you have no interest in the facts but are letting yourself be jerked around by the first guy out with a story that makes you mad.
This isn't to say that is this is true I won't have an issue with it myself, but I am not going to break out the pitch forks without actually listening to the other story, I will not be part of a lynch mob. Especially not one that is placing itself in line for a major law suit.
As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully.
Somer's second in command confirmed it. How much more verification do you want? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3473
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 14:32:00 -
[274] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Doris Dents wrote:That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners. Not empty-quoting. At this point, I'm wondering what they'll seed the people who have been working on dotlan, battleclinic, EFT, EVEMon, Pyfa, EVEUni, Goons. I suppose Chribba should be given 7 unique ships GÇö one for each insanely useful site he has contributed to the community.
So somebody got something, and others doing similar things did not get something this time.
Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future.
See what public skool has wrought? Everybody thinks they are entitled to everything that the next guy has. Public skools did this on purpose. On the flipside, they also get everybody conditioned for that "one person did something bad so now new rules for everybody" crap.
So most of the tears in here are coming from people who were not smart enough to resist or break this conditioning.
And so collectivist tears are the best tears. Life is not fair. Deal with it. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:32:00 -
[275] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
I'm betting on a new policy that makes it a bannable offense to discuss anything give-away related from/with CCP.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
401
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:35:00 -
[276] - Quote
Literally Space Moses wrote:
Somer's second in command confirmed it. How much more verification do you want?
Some real data. Not simply a name on a screenshot. Who could be any player behind that character now. An opportunity for CCP to speak on it to present their view point.
Or are we now judge, jury & executioner now simply because The Mittani says CCP are evil today? I'm sorry, I don't work like that. I actually work on facts, and allow people to defend themselves first. Then I'll crucify them if it's justified AFTER they get the chance.
Not simply because one of the most biased EVE news sites with it's own major agenda decides to attack CCP's business. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:35:00 -
[277] - Quote
I don't get it. Once you posted this statement, why are people ignoring it? If you are sure it is a scammer, then the failed laywer's site has just lost a ton of credibility (not that it had much with discerning readers in the 1st place).
That could be even more interesting than this original scandal, if Entity is correct. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:36:00 -
[278] - Quote
How was this email leaked? |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:38:00 -
[279] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I don't get it. Once you posted this statement, why are people ignoring it? If you are sure it is a scammer, then the failed laywer's site has just lost a ton of credibility (not that it had much with discerning readers in the 1st place). That could be even more interesting than this original scandal, if Entity is correct.
Read the previous page of this thread. Entity is merely bad at reading names ;) |
Koki Ottic
Hitcher's
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
[280] - Quote
Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating. I'm betting on a new policy that makes it a bannable offense to discuss anything give-away related from/with CCP.
Better update this at the same time
Third, although CCP establishes the rules by which players may interact with each other in a real-world context, they do not interfere with how individuals treat each other in a virtual context. Strictly speaking, CCP has the power to govern actions in the virtual world via GÇ£natural lawsGÇ¥, or the literal technical limitations of the game. But within this same virtual universe, abusing the trust of other individuals is an affair that is left to society itself to contend with. Crimes are not persecuted by the legislator here:the fate of peers who commit wrongdoings such as theft, fraud, destruction of property, and even GÇ£murderGÇ¥is determined exclusively by the society. Justice, as it were, is in the hands of those who choose to exercise their right to take it, and under no circumstances will the legislator interfereGÇö again, provided that the means of execution complies with the GÇ£meta-lawGÇ¥ of the EULA and Terms of Service (TOS). |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16759
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
[281] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received.
The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating. The really baffling/morbidly curious part is how easily they could have done (almost) the exact same thing without any of the hubub.
If they want to reward community websites that create tons of (meta)game content, they should make a big deal out of it! Crank up the hype machine and make it a month-long count-down with ever dwindling participants. Show that they are involved in and care about the community, and get the press to follow the story. If they want to be sneaky, obfuscate the qualification process and pick the winners before-hand (people will claim favouritism and underhanded tactics for the winner anyway, so it will get lost in the noise). What gets people's hackles up is how the apparent reasoning for this is applicable to so many other entities, but how the responsible parties are apparently fully aware of how only one of them is singled out, since they have to keep it under wraps.
Put another way: if they want to reward people for contributing, do it properly. Don't sneak around and make it completely obvious that they know what they're doing is wrong.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:See what public skool has wrought? Everybody thinks they are entitled to everything that the next guy has Why do think that you're entitled to anything? And what does it have to do with the quote you used? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
[282] - Quote
Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar.
The Ishukone Scorpion giveaway, if verified, was covert and unofficial. The Guardian-Vexors and Gold Magnates, later switched to enhanced SOE ships and Fanfest trips, were proudly announced in public statements by CCP.
On both occasions the same player-group benefitted, which only leaves it to be confirmed - is it CCP's policy to play favourites with Somer Blink and Somer Blink only, or will they be providing similar benefits to any and all 'content generators' within Eve? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:40:00 -
[283] - Quote
Angel Korstar wrote:
This post is well thought out and makes a point, thanks for looking beyond my knee jerk reaction. Might the gift giving possibly be a reward for all the plex that might (or might not) be purchased from CCP to gamble with? Honest question.
In essence at that point CCP is giving kickbacks to a company for spending RL money on the product. Now that's something that happens in several industries and in a real world business is often characterised as corruption (all depending on how it's done, the moment).
Moreover, were that to be the case, where are the kickbacks for TEST (back when they were huge) or the CFC, or Brave Newbies, or Eve Uni, or EveMon for helping to stop people quit because of Eve's terrible certs that are near-useless for planning a training plan. Or Eve Fit for letting us work out what to blow up in, or...etc. etc.
Once again there are far, far more worthy recipients than Somerblink, unless of course this is outright a kickback to say thanks to Somerblink for generating more revenue. In which case I think ethically there's a line that's been crossed there, and moreover it suggests the degree of gambling addiction with somer blink is far higher than I thought (though it certainly exists, having encountered two people who spend far more rl money than they can afford because they 'might win that rorqual').
Nevyn Auscent wrote: As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully.
You're taking the contrary assumption 'but what if it isn't true, then...' without yourself providing any evidence for your assertion, so you're simply rabble rousing here. But let's look at the article's language and see what it has to tell us:
TMC wrote: CCP Navigator apparently furnished
So right from the first paragraph, we have that TMC is not stating that this categorically happened but that it 'apparently' happened.
This is described as a leaked email: http://i.imgur.com/Ekjk1sd.jpg
Here we have TMC concealing their sources, but providing the evidence to the reader so they can make their own deductions (something actual journalists do far too little of in the modern media age).
Then we have:
TMC wrote:In an email exchange with TMC staff, SOMER Blink second in command Andrev Nox seems to confirm that the leaked mail is real. GÇ£CCP has been using the Ishukone Scorpions for community site rewards and ingame event giveaways for a while now, with Blink being neither the first nor the last in that program,GÇ£ he writes.
Once again the language is clear with regard to TMCs position on this.
TMC wrote: To date, there have been no other public giveaways of the ship, meaning that SOMER Blink employees' private rewards may account for a quarter of the Scorpions Ishukone Watch in the game.
And again, TMC is making clear the publicly known facts while also covering that it may transpire that CCP has secretly been giving these ships away to other people as well.
And lastly, as many other people have managed to do, you could have directly asked Somer Blink representatives if it was true... From the chat discussion in their channel earlier following the news story breaking, you'd have had your answer already (hint, yes).
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Rob Crowley
State War Academy
201
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:41:00 -
[284] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future. Well great, then it was good for something. In case you haven't noticed we want that nobody arbitrarily gets ingame stuff in the future.
Quote:Life is not fair. Deal with it. Oh look, it's that silly "argument" again from last thread. I don't care how fair life is. I care how fair Eve is. Cause that's what I'm paying for. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:41:00 -
[285] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Some real data. Not simply a name on a screenshot. Who could be any player behind that character now. An opportunity for CCP to speak on it to present their view point.
Or are we now judge, jury & executioner now simply because The Mittani says CCP are evil today? I'm sorry, I don't work like that. I actually work on facts, and allow people to defend themselves first. Then I'll crucify them if it's justified AFTER they get the chance.
Not simply because one of the most biased EVE news sites with it's own major agenda decides to attack CCP's business.
Define "real data". I mean, we know it's true if the guy who is second in command confirmed it via PM.
And frankly, CCP does not have a reason good enough for me. I don't even need to read the article to know I'm quitting eve. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4690
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:43:00 -
[286] - Quote
Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident. Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues. This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar. I really like how they like and unofficially endorse SOMER blink which is a gambling outfit when there are jurisdictions where all gambling on the internet are forbidden and even so when they aren't the main function of some site/game. But for ccp this is just par for the course I guess. i thought blink was 100% honest ccp endorsed? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
554
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:43:00 -
[287] - Quote
If it was not true, CCP would be posting the "NOT BE TOLERATED" blog already including the bans that resulted from such a blatant lie and slander.
But nothing.
But honestly, all of that aside, you guys have to try to remember that his is just a video game, and CCP runs it. They can do whatever they want, favor whomever they want, give and take whatever they want.
Somer Mahm is winning the meta game of Eve. Yes, that does mean you are losing. Cry me a river. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3473
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:45:00 -
[288] - Quote
Rob Crowley wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future. Well great, then it was good for something. In case you haven't noticed we want that nobody arbitrarily gets ingame stuff in the future. Quote:Life is not fair. Deal with it. Oh look, it's that silly "argument" again from last thread. I don't care how fair life is. I care how fair Eve is. Cause that's what I'm paying for.
All I am doing is echoing the things that are said to noobs and carebears who get ganked.
Everybody has their limit for how much unfairness they can boost their self esteem with.
What I will now do is, not change my opinion no matter what you post.
I'm watching the people who normally have the upper hand in telling others how unfair things are, and relishing in it, and seeing them act like a 2-month missioner who just lost his first BS in Amamake.
Gotta be careful crossing the street lest you get hit by the whaaaaaaaaaaambulance.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:46:00 -
[289] - Quote
Literally Space Moses wrote:
Define "real data". I mean, we know it's true if the guy who is second in command confirmed it via PM.
And frankly, CCP does not have a reason good enough for me. I don't even need to read the article to know I'm quitting eve.
If only there was some way we could read the persons PM's who confirmed it. Almost like some way to try and catch spies, but in this case used to verify the spy was telling the truth. If there was such a way, I think I would call it.... the API system. With a mask for Mail Messages.....
That's a pretty good verification at that point that the PM from the Somer Blink leader actually occurred. Though that PM doesn't actually confirm the scorpions were issued. That would need an Assets list verification..... Hmmm.......
So yea. Real Data. Provided using real systems, that actually exist. So we can all view the raw data ourselves and see the truth.
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Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
11
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:48:00 -
[290] - Quote
Term of Service:
Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Do not spell check Dev name.
Favoritism is toxic for a competitive sandbox game, CCP. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4690
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:50:00 -
[291] - Quote
Arcueid Saber wrote:Term of Service: Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Do not spell check Dev name. Favoritism is toxic for a competitive sandbox game, CCP. Ban whoever wrote that article There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
205
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:52:00 -
[292] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:All I am doing is echoing the things that are said to noobs and carebears who get ganked. You are aware we are talking about totally different degrees of fairness here? The referee actively influencing the game by supporting one side is very much different from one side in the game just outclassing the other side.
Quote:I'm watching the people who normally have the upper hand in telling others how unfair things are, and relishing in it, and seeing them act like a 2-month missioner who just lost his first BS in Amamake. I think you fail to take into account that I'm one of those hisec carebears. But don't let me interrupt your GRRRR GOONS ad hominem posts if you enjoy them so much. |
A Research Alt
Perkone Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:52:00 -
[293] - Quote
"Let's just ban everyone and pretend this will go away"
yeah see how far that gets you CCP |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16760
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:54:00 -
[294] - Quote
Arcueid Saber wrote:Term of Service: Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Do not spell check Dev name. Favoritism is toxic for a competitive sandbox game, CCP. You're not really implying anything any more if the subject outright says it himselfGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:56:00 -
[295] - Quote
A Research Alt wrote:"Let's just ban everyone and pretend this will go away"
yeah see how far that gets you CCP
In fairness that is traditionally their MO.
...I would know. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:56:00 -
[296] - Quote
The no favoritism thing is there since what the T20 times? And it turned out to be completely true and lead to the existence of the CSM. But that was a long time ago, perhaps it's time for a rematch or something.
CCP is literally crossing the rubicon. :golfclap:
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Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:57:00 -
[297] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote:
Define "real data". I mean, we know it's true if the guy who is second in command confirmed it via PM.
And frankly, CCP does not have a reason good enough for me. I don't even need to read the article to know I'm quitting eve.
If only there was some way we could read the persons PM's who confirmed it. Almost like some way to try and catch spies, but in this case used to verify the spy was telling the truth. If there was such a way, I think I would call it.... the API system. With a mask for Mail Messages..... That's a pretty good verification at that point that the PM from the Somer Blink leader actually occurred. Though that PM doesn't actually confirm the scorpions were issued. That would need an Assets list verification..... Hmmm....... So yea. Real Data. Provided using real systems, that actually exist. So we can all view the raw data ourselves and see the truth.
Who the **** is going to release their full API to you? (Spoiler: no one)
Also, the fact that Somer employees have confirmed it in their channel (pretty much any of them when asks) should be proof enough. |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
18
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:58:00 -
[298] - Quote
This is the time for those of you who feel strongly about this to take an action that CCP will understand. Log off.
The Goons are the one group that could organize such a thing and actually have an impact. Next week, beginning at 00:00 Friday, log off every CFC pilot for the entire weekend. With an entire coalition logged out, plus anyone sympathetic to it also logged out, maybe concurrent logon numbers will wake them out of their ******* stupidity. Nothing less will have any effect. As long as you keep logging on and providing content, CCP doesn't give a rat's ass what you think. |
A Research Alt
Perkone Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:59:00 -
[299] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:A Research Alt wrote:"Let's just ban everyone and pretend this will go away"
yeah see how far that gets you CCP In fairness that is traditionally their MO. ...I would know.
CCP never seems to learn, do they? |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
337
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:59:00 -
[300] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20?
As mentioned before this will be a 'CCP sanctioned' reward lol
Next:
CCP someone gets a smack on wrist CCP PR dude releases statement to legitimise the stink - that smell is actually roses... Many players agree. SB spins a 'we never wanted those gifts anyway' and refuse any new gifts in show of integrity/solidarity with CCP to placate players CSM say well ok, so long as CCP are repentant and SB gained no advantage we'll go back to being useless CCP advisors CCP reward SB anyway by next fanfest after stink dies down with some other 'deserved' reward
Yes I'm a cynical man. |
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Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:00:00 -
[301] - Quote
Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
Lets see: NPC forum troll stating everyone is jealous and crying. Mandatory mention of Mittani, everyone gb2wow. Yes, everything is there. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:02:00 -
[302] - Quote
Literally Space Moses wrote: Who the **** is going to release their full API to you? (Spoiler: no one)
Then this is pure unverified information and pure rumour. If this is a real incident, and the person is serious about exposing CCP's actions, then they damn well should be prepared to put their API where their mouth is to prove the data.
Otherwise it's simply a few screen shots and some allegations. Much like bad kill mails, scams, and all sorts of other things run in EVE. Truth be told I'm disgusted at all the people who have simply swallowed this story whole. Especially those who have elsewhere claimed to be thinkers & after the best for EVE. The best for EVE here is a real expose, not a lynch mob out to burn the first thing they can lay their hands on.
Who that Expose will out, I don't know at this point, I haven't taken sides. Because the information simply isn't available to take sides. But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax, unless they release their API showing the evidence, I'm going to side with CCP at that point. Because so far their word has actually been fairly good compared to some random making allegations but not prepared to back them with actual evidence. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16761
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:02:00 -
[303] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? It's not a gift that will keep on giving in quite the same sense. That's about it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:04:00 -
[304] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20?
T20 was kept by all sides under the rags for longer.
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baltec1
Bat Country
8149
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:06:00 -
[305] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote: Who the **** is going to release their full API to you? (Spoiler: no one)
Then this is pure unverified information and pure rumour. If this is a real incident, and the person is serious about exposing CCP's actions, then they damn well should be prepared to put their API where their mouth is to prove the data. Otherwise it's simply a few screen shots and some allegations. Much like bad kill mails, scams, and all sorts of other things run in EVE. Truth be told I'm disgusted at all the people who have simply swallowed this story whole. Especially those who have elsewhere claimed to be thinkers & after the best for EVE. The best for EVE here is a real expose, not a lynch mob out to burn the first thing they can lay their hands on. Who that Expose will out, I don't know at this point, I haven't taken sides. Because the information simply isn't available to take sides. But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax, unless they release their API showing the evidence, I'm going to side with CCP at that point. Because so far their word has actually been fairly good compared to some random making allegations but not prepared to back them with actual evidence.
Or they can just undock the ship. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
66
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:06:00 -
[306] - Quote
Quote:But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax
If this would be the case, they did so allready. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:09:00 -
[307] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future. Well great, then it was good for something. In case you haven't noticed we want that nobody arbitrarily gets ingame stuff in the future. Quote:Life is not fair. Deal with it. Oh look, it's that silly "argument" again from last thread. I don't care how fair life is. I care how fair Eve is. Cause that's what I'm paying for. All I am doing is echoing the things that are said to noobs and carebears who get ganked. Everybody has their limit for how much unfairness they can boost their self esteem with. What I will now do is, not change my opinion no matter what you post. I'm watching the people who normally have the upper hand in telling others how unfair things are, and relishing in it, and seeing them act like a 2-month missioner who just lost his first BS in Amamake. Gotta be careful crossing the street lest you get hit by the whaaaaaaaaaaambulance.
You seem to be one of those people who has trouble distinguishing real life from the video games he plays, which would probably explain all your libertarian posting elsewhere. Real life is unfair because that's just real life. Eve is a game that I pay for under the premise that it is a fair game for all participants (i.e., everyone has to follow the same rules, nobody just gets extra stuff handed to them just because the people who run the game like them more, etc.). When Eve is unfair, it's not because "that's just Eve", it's because CCP has failed to meet its obligations to its paying customers. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:11:00 -
[308] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote: Who the **** is going to release their full API to you? (Spoiler: no one)
Then this is pure unverified information and pure rumour. If this is a real incident, and the person is serious about exposing CCP's actions, then they damn well should be prepared to put their API where their mouth is to prove the data. Otherwise it's simply a few screen shots and some allegations. Much like bad kill mails, scams, and all sorts of other things run in EVE. Truth be told I'm disgusted at all the people who have simply swallowed this story whole. Especially those who have elsewhere claimed to be thinkers & after the best for EVE. The best for EVE here is a real expose, not a lynch mob out to burn the first thing they can lay their hands on. Who that Expose will out, I don't know at this point, I haven't taken sides. Because the information simply isn't available to take sides. But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax, unless they release their API showing the evidence, I'm going to side with CCP at that point. Because so far their word has actually been fairly good compared to some random making allegations but not prepared to back them with actual evidence.
So what you're saying is despite Somer and employees freely admitting that it happened, if CCP comes out and says it was all a ruse, you'll implicitly believe them? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:13:00 -
[309] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Quote:But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax If this would be the case, they did so allready. Because CCP PR staff totally can verify what actually happened at their end instantly on a weekend.
It's almost like TMC released the article right when CCP would have the most difficulty answering it in order to get people mad for the longest possible period of time before CCP could answer. To create responses exactly like your one. 'They didn't deny it instantly so any denial now must be a lie'.
Get real. Suddenly I'm sick at the level of intellect of people playing this game given how easily you are all being manipulated by sheer rumour at this point. And I thought I was playing in a game with a bunch of savvy smart scam wary people who actually bothered verifying information before acting on it and laughed at people for falling victim for margin scams for the lack of due diligence. Apparently I was wrong and it's just trolls. |
Dex Slim
Phrike Squadron
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:13:00 -
[310] - Quote
ItGÇÖs actually quite simple. Which community site does most for CCP in terms of revenue?
Who knows how much extra demand for PLEX and GTCs SOMER Blink and its addictive lotteries drives, and how many thousands of dollars SOMER contributes to CCPGÇÖs coffers. CCP, as the smart businessmen they are, will want to provide SOMER with incentives to continue this revenue stream. What better way to do that than to spawn worthless (in real-life) digital assets to SOMER? SOMER is basically working for CCP for free. Of course there will be favoritism GÇô SOMER is good for business. CCP is also probably aware of the fact that ingame gifts are a controversial topic due to the outrage in the community during previous scandals. This could in turn explain the apparent non-transparency concerning these Ishukone Scorpion gifts to SOMER.
Personally I think this kind of behavior of giving away things to certain ingame groups is **** and it ruins my sandbox experience. Why would I want to grind away for months when other people get ingame riches spawned in their hangar for the simple fact that they belong to the right corporation? How does CCP choose which corporation or not to receive riches? Where is the transparency? Also, giving trillions away to a single corp ingame is definitely a game changer. CCP should not directly interfere in the sandbox by shifting power balances.
No, I think itGÇÖs more important for CCP to focus on actually protecting the integrity of the sandbox and the game. EVE is (at least for the moment) one of the few true sandbox experiences out there and I think that is why most of us are still here. Of course, CCP can do as they wish with their intellectual property. However, as customers we have the power to actually make CCP listen to us and what we want. If people really want to be heard I suggest you reach out to CCP in the only way that really matters to them GÇô cancelled subscriptions. I would gladly boycott CCP for a month to protect a game, and a sandbox experience, I actually enjoy playing. |
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Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:16:00 -
[311] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote:
Somer's second in command confirmed it. How much more verification do you want?
Some real data. Not simply a name on a screenshot. Who could be any player behind that character now. An opportunity for CCP to speak on it to present their view point. Or are we now judge, jury & executioner now simply because The Mittani says CCP are evil today? I'm sorry, I don't work like that. I actually work on facts, and allow people to defend themselves first. Then I'll crucify them if it's justified AFTER they get the chance. Not simply because one of the most biased EVE news sites with it's own major agenda decides to attack CCP's business. Quoting for reference next week. "Who could be any player behind that character now." Brilliant. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16761
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:18:00 -
[312] - Quote
Dex Slim wrote:ItGÇÖs actually quite simple. Which community site does most for CCP in terms of revenue? Battleclinic, most likely. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:19:00 -
[313] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote: Quoting for reference next week. "Who could be any player behind that character now." Brilliant.
Reference away. But this is EVE. People create the most elaborate scams possible here. Yet we are expected to swallow this as automatically true. With no verification.
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
297
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:19:00 -
[314] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Bronco Platz wrote:Quote:But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax If this would be the case, they did so allready. Because CCP PR staff totally can verify what actually happened at their end instantly on a weekend. It's almost like TMC released the article right when CCP would have the most difficulty answering it in order to get people mad for the longest possible period of time before CCP could answer. To create responses exactly like your one. 'They didn't deny it instantly so any denial now must be a lie'. Get real. Suddenly I'm sick at the level of intellect of people playing this game given how easily you are all being manipulated by sheer rumour at this point. And I thought I was playing in a game with a bunch of savvy smart scam wary people who actually bothered verifying information before acting on it and laughed at people for falling victim for margin scams for the lack of due diligence. Apparently I was wrong and it's just trolls. Also Space Moses. Yes. A says B is evil. B says A is lying. B has a history of being fairly open. A has no real history as far as most of us are concerned, yet refuses to provide any proof of B being evil (aka API). Then yes. I believe B. If A wants to be believed, they need to provide that API or other similar evidence that isn't easily fakeable. Rather than the current level of evidence that only is a poor screenshot of a 'forwarded' message that could easily have been typed by the person sending it. I like how you keep ignoring the parts where people keep telling you, that Somer employees confirmed the story. And that you can go to their channel and ask it for yourself. Those who want to be fooled, will be fooled.
Keep it up.
There was a lot of sentiment that its CCP game, and they can do whatever they want. While that is completely true, CAN is not the same as SHOULD. Any of us technically can go outside and shoot someone in the face, but it doesn't mean we should actually do it. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
sally Deninard
mss industry
46
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:23:00 -
[315] - Quote
Came to the forums to check progress and found it had got worse....
Put some training on and went to play something else 07 |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
319
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:24:00 -
[316] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I don't get it. Once you posted this statement, why are people ignoring it? If you are sure it is a scammer, then the failed laywer's site has just lost a ton of credibility (not that it had much with discerning readers in the 1st place). That could be even more interesting than this original scandal, if Entity is correct.
Do you know how easy it is to tweak a "leaked" mail?
Purported image of the mail: http://i.imgur.com/Ekjk1sd.jpg
Here's how easy this is to do: 1) Go to EVE - bring up *YOUR* mail. 2) Hit Forward 3) Highlight and Delete the name of the person in the "from" portion of the forwarded mail. 4) Type in "Autumnries Mahm" - highlight it -> Auto-link -> Character
Now what he's talking about is this: Autumries Mahm ---- Autumnries Mahm
Note the difference in spelling - missing the "n". Check the employment dates...
How hard is it to spoof a "proof" mail? Damned easy.
I did something like this once to kick the network security dept in the ass - I sent a "you are fired" e-mail to the manager of that group from the CEO after telling him I would. As we "chatted" with the "how the hell did you do that?" - I explained the process and how to fix it. He wasn't overly amused at the stunt but rather pleased that I had a fix for him to implement.
This "proof" mail - I'd wait and see what the hell Comes out from CCP and/or from Somer. It reeks of a lulz tweak to sucker folks into a flame-fest. It may be real but I doubt it. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:25:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote: But honestly, all of that aside, you guys have to try to remember that his is just a video game, and CCP runs it. They can do whatever they want, favor whomever they want, give and take whatever they want.
Somer Mahm is winning the meta game of Eve. Yes, that does mean you are losing. Cry me a river.
If we are playing against CCP we can as well just stop. |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
18
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:26:00 -
[318] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Dex Slim wrote:ItGÇÖs actually quite simple. Which community site does most for CCP in terms of revenue? Battleclinic, most likely. Reddit and Something Awful, more likely |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:26:00 -
[319] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:[quote=Bronco Platz] Quote:But if CCP comes out and says this is a pure hoax It's almost like TMC released the article right when CCP would have the most difficulty answering it in order to get people mad for the longest possible period of time before CCP could answer. To create responses exactly like your one. 'They didn't deny it instantly so any denial now must be a lie'. When a newspaper comes out on a Saturday, do you refuse to believe anything reported because of its timing? Or the evening news? Or anything that is reported outside 9-5? What about if it's reported at 2pm in one timezone, but 7pm in another?
Had you read the article, the writer Sun Win clearly states 'To date, CCP has not responded to a request for comment. This revelation took place on a Friday evening, and neither of the CCP PR staff we contacted have been able to reply.'
That said it's now Saturday afternoon (oops, timezones again), and CCP has had a lot of time to respond. PR and Marketing people from video game companies and all manner of corporations manage to comment and make statements outside office hours on a daily basis.
In asking for the API, you're also asking for the source, personally I can't see TMC giving that up, for obvious reasons. While some will doubtless decry the comparison, many journalists have gone to jail to protect a source.
And lastly, as you've been told many times, it's been confirmed by Somer Blink, or do you think they're lying about it as well as this is all a trick by them in order to make CCP look bad, increase people's awareness of them for some nefarious scheme? Wow, I thought they were just smart for coming up with somer blink but that's a whole other level of cunning. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1377
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:28:00 -
[320] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:So.... TMC posted an unverified article purely on a 'leaked e-mail' that could easily have been fabricated. Response. Lots of emo internet kids rage.
Really. Settle down, wait for a CCP response to these allegations before cancelling Subs, burning Jita or any other such nonsense atm. All you people doing talking about that are doing is showing exactly how immature you are and how little CCP should care about your opinion when you have no interest in the facts but are letting yourself be jerked around by the first guy out with a story that makes you mad.
This isn't to say that is this is true I won't have an issue with it myself, but I am not going to break out the pitch forks without actually listening to the other story, I will not be part of a lynch mob. Especially not one that is placing itself in line for a major law suit.
As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully.
I am flattered that at the age of 58, I can still be considered 'immature'
Thank you.
Immature or not as the case may be, CCP giving any player corp an in-game advantage is wrong. This is not a signature. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16761
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:29:00 -
[321] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Tippia wrote:Dex Slim wrote:ItGÇÖs actually quite simple. Which community site does most for CCP in terms of revenue? Battleclinic, most likely. Reddit and Something Awful, more likely Fair enough. I wouldn't call those community websites, though, and I got the feeling that he was talking about generating GTC sales. Since BC has their own GTC-selling store, it kind of leads by default. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
404
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:29:00 -
[322] - Quote
Red Templar wrote: I like how you keep ignoring the parts where people keep telling you, that Somer employees confirmed the story. And that you can go to their channel and ask it for yourself. Those who want to be fooled, will be fooled.
Keep it up.
There was a lot of sentiment that its CCP game, and they can do whatever they want. While that is completely true, CAN is not the same as SHOULD. Any of us technically can go outside and shoot someone in the face, but it doesn't mean we should actually do it.
Except Somer 'Employees' have not 'confirmed' the story. Confirming the story would be providing evidence. They (all one or two people have claimed have) have simply continued the allegations.
This is freaken EVE. How many elaborate scams do we see daily? API verify it. If it's real and they really are wanting to expose CCP, what's the issue. It's CCP's own system which would make it even sweeter irony to use it to expose CCP favouritism if true. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:31:00 -
[323] - Quote
Again how was this email leaked, and if it is leaked why was it forwarded on 2013.10.04 when SOMER had allegedly received this mail on 2013.08.20
I don't give a **** who's right or wrong just why was this leaked 2 months later. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:38:00 -
[324] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Except Somer 'Employees' have not 'confirmed' the story. Confirming the story would be providing evidence. They (all one or two people have claimed have) have simply continued the allegations.
This is freaken EVE. How many elaborate scams do we see daily? API verify it. If it's real and they really are wanting to expose CCP, what's the issue. It's CCP's own system which would make it even sweeter irony to use it to expose CCP favouritism if true.
Stop being lazy, ask them yourself as many people did today. It's been confirmed multiple times over and yes, they have confirmed it. If they confirm it to you will you need to check your own API to be sure?
You do seem to really want that API though, why are you so keen to get the identity of the person who leaked it? |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:38:00 -
[325] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Quoting for reference next week. "Who could be any player behind that character now." Brilliant.
Reference away. But this is EVE. People create the most elaborate scams possible here. Yet we are expected to swallow this as automatically true. With no verification.
CCP already gave Somer billions and trillions thru the Eve Vegas Lottery. There is no use to not believe this new incident. Plus, why do you fail to understand that scamming and lying ingame is completely different to a lying and favouring game company? |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
210
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:38:00 -
[326] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:I don't give a **** who's right or wrong just why was this leaked 2 months later. My purely speculative guess is that the person who leaked it saw the other discussion about the unique ship giveaways to Somer (the ones that were auctioned), found himself agreeing with the people opposed to that giveaway, consulted his conscience and leaked it. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
298
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:43:00 -
[327] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Except Somer 'Employees' have not 'confirmed' the story. Confirming the story would be providing evidence. They (all one or two people have claimed have) have simply continued the allegations.
This is freaken EVE. How many elaborate scams do we see daily? API verify it. If it's real and they really are wanting to expose CCP, what's the issue. It's CCP's own system which would make it even sweeter irony to use it to expose CCP favouritism if true.
So you are saying that those Somer guys who said in their own channel that this indeed happened, are actually all lying?
For what reason, i might ask? Is this some sort of elaborate scheme between them and TMC in order to tarnish CCP reputation? Tinfoil much? For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
532
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:47:00 -
[328] - Quote
Want to see more SomerGate Truther posting ITT. Because lol.
edit: vv thanks! |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:49:00 -
[329] - Quote
Rob Crowley wrote:Anomaly One wrote:I don't give a **** who's right or wrong just why was this leaked 2 months later. My purely speculative guess is that the person who leaked it saw the other discussion about the unique ship giveaways to Somer (the ones that were auctioned), found himself agreeing with the people opposed to that giveaway, consulted his conscience and leaked it.
So from what i've seen is that the person that leaked would have had to be someone from SOMER to get this email in the first place and disregarding that because of this action he will lose out on all that "future" sponsorship = moar isk he decided to leak this email? and the person he chose to send it to was The Mittani and all this because he had a stroke of conscience, sounds like a bad movie
most likely either a goon spy or this is just a scam, also it is really easy to fake an email, either way entertaining thread ahead! |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:51:00 -
[330] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Cameron Freerunner wrote:Tippia wrote:Dex Slim wrote:ItGÇÖs actually quite simple. Which community site does most for CCP in terms of revenue? Battleclinic, most likely. Reddit and Something Awful, more likely Fair enough. I wouldn't call those community websites, though, and I got the feeling that he was talking about generating GTC sales. Since BC has their own GTC-selling store, it kind of leads by default.
Without EVEMon, EFT, and especially Dotlan, I would have left long ago. Or just take your signature link to the noob skillplan. Not to mention the out of game killboards since CCP is still not able to provide a smiliar service. I bet those tools got new people into the game and, more importantly, kept people playing, much more that Somer will ever do. Plus of course Reddit and Something Awful that literally brought thousands of players into Eve. How can that even be compared to some GTC sales on a gambling site? Codes that would have likely been bought anyway.
But I don't even want to do such comparisons. Breaking the sandbox on this magnitude should never be an option. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2835
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:52:00 -
[331] - Quote
People crying over internet spaceships... much like loot drama in WoW.
You people don't need more internet spaceships so do yourself (and us) a huge favor. Get off the internet and go out for some much needed fresh air. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:53:00 -
[332] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:So from what i've seen is that the person that leaked would have had to be someone from SOMER to get this email in the first place and disregarding that because of this action he will lose out on all that "future" sponsorship = moar isk he decided to leak this email? and the person he chose to send it to was The Mittani and all this because he had a stroke of conscience, sounds like a bad movie
From what I've seen the source is anonymous, so nothing to lose here. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9642
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:56:00 -
[333] - Quote
So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
/c
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16762
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:57:00 -
[334] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:People crying over internet spaceships... No. People crying over what seems to be a repeat of T20 in terms of devs providing favours to certain groups under the table. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:58:00 -
[335] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Anomaly One wrote:So from what i've seen is that the person that leaked would have had to be someone from SOMER to get this email in the first place and disregarding that because of this action he will lose out on all that "future" sponsorship = moar isk he decided to leak this email? and the person he chose to send it to was The Mittani and all this because he had a stroke of conscience, sounds like a bad movie From what I've seen the source is anonymous, so nothing to lose here.
errm if CCP didn't want this to be exposed and he exposed it anonymous or not CCP will not be making deals with SOMER again . So yes he did lose. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2835
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:59:00 -
[336] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Alpheias wrote:People crying over internet spaceships... No. People crying over what seems to be a repeat of T20 in terms of devs providing favours to certain groups under the table.
You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a sexually abused victim returning to the scene but no matter how much they wash and scrub, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Dex Slim
Phrike Squadron
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:01:00 -
[337] - Quote
Chribba wrote:So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
/c
Realized or had been told to. Who knows? |
sally Deninard
mss industry
46
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:01:00 -
[338] - Quote
Chribba wrote:So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
/c
If Chribba says it`s bad, then it must be bad . |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16762
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:03:00 -
[339] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:People return to the t20 incident like a sexually abused victim returning to the scene but no matter how much they wash and scrub, it always comes back to haunt them. Again, no. It's CCP that keep returning to it, as if they were a TV series villain of the week. And yes, no matter how much they wash and scrub, that stain on their history won't go awayGǪ
No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:04:00 -
[340] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Get over it. It's nice that you don't care about the game. Other people do. Bad analogy time: Imagine a game of soccer. If the ref decides one team can field 15 players and three goalies, and the other team couldn't, people would rightfully get angry at the ref. It's the same thing here. I'm not even mad at SOMER, because to be honest if CCP asked me if I wanted some expensive stuff I probably wouldn't say no either. I'm mad at CCP for not playing their part of the impartial referee. |
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
577
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:06:00 -
[341] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I don't get it. Once you posted this statement, why are people ignoring it? If you are sure it is a scammer, then the failed laywer's site has just lost a ton of credibility (not that it had much with discerning readers in the 1st place). That could be even more interesting than this original scandal, if Entity is correct. Read the previous page of this thread. Entity is merely bad at reading names ;)
Yeah I just woke up when I posted that >_> GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
282
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:08:00 -
[342] - Quote
Wow. As soon as I read the Mittani report, I literally closed my game because I felt sick. What a crock of ****, CCP. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:10:00 -
[343] - Quote
If this maneuver is meant to create hate war and scams: success
Content being added since 1997 successfully, by CCP Gäó
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
159
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:15:00 -
[344] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Quoting for reference next week. "Who could be any player behind that character now." Brilliant.
Reference away. But this is EVE. People create the most elaborate scams possible here. Yet we are expected to swallow this as automatically true. With no verification. CCP already gave Somer billions and trillions thru the Eve Vegas Lottery. There is no use to not believe this new incident. Plus, why do you fail to understand that scamming and lying ingame is completely different to a lying and favouring game company?
Even if CCP has never give BLINK isk, they've given them an endorsement, which itself creates a perception of impropriety.
Good, respectable, honest businesses do not engage in the transfer of items and/or endorsements of value when these things would create a perception of impropriety or favoritism. Shame on both CCP and SomerBLINK for this. Why do people continue to give Somer their isk when CCP has seen fit to supply them with isk.
Your isk is worth more. Do not give it to a player organization that benefits from CCP gifts and favoritism. They are not some not for profit, charity corp, they are a profit making entity, CCP should not have been involved with endorsing them and they never should have accepted endorsements or gifts if they care about your business.
My two cents: boycott SomerBLINK. That will send a clear message to CCP and BLINK about how players feel about these sorts of arrangements without you having to quit the game to send the same message.
In my opinion this is worse than monocles and gold ammo ever was, I hope that players send a clear message to CCP about this, because based on their reply to the CSM - they don't get it, not one bit. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
284
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:16:00 -
[345] - Quote
Jita riot, anyone? :D |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2307
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:17:00 -
[346] - Quote
Stupid, stupid, stupid...
CCP continues to amaze me.
Firing T20 and creating the CSM doesn't really help if you keep doing the same thing T20 did on a larger scale and as an official company policy whilst simply bypassing the CSM.
This is wrong and corrupt on so many levels...
At least BoB provided content - tons of it. Now all they got was a shoddy BPO.
Whilst having run into BoB and the content they created, I swear I haven't ever come accross any content created by Somer blink in thousands of hours playing this game for almost nine years on multiple accounts.
Somer blink is a purely self-serving organization feeding on the wide spread of gambling addicts in MMO populations.
So they sponsored events? So what? It helps increasing the population they feed upon. If that is a community service, any empoyee of a company running commercials should receive a free Ferrari from the country hosting the corporate headquarters.
You know... morons. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5147
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:18:00 -
[347] - Quote
let's take bets on how long it is until an isd closes the thread with some transparent excuse
i know a betting site ccp has guaranteed to be not a scam perhaps they'd be willing to run it |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5147
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:20:00 -
[348] - Quote
or until navigator pops in here to tell us we could win an Ishukone Scorpion ourselves just by playing some blinks at our friendly neighborhood somer blink |
CroisisCZ
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:22:00 -
[349] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:let's take bets on how long it is until an isd closes the thread with some transparent excuse
EVE Online Terms of Service
1) You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Case closed, now for the bans... |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
30
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:23:00 -
[350] - Quote
Chribba wrote:So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm*
/c yeah, the insider trading **** is pretty lame on behalf of Somer's part, but the blame for this lies squarely on the devs
CCP spawns a bunch of 'limited' ships, gives them to one corp, and then the corp members sell them quietly before anyone else realizes that ~90 ships magically turned into ~120, reducing the value of the item
yeah, nothing shady about that, right guys? guess they couldn't predict this outcome |
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
44
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:26:00 -
[351] - Quote
What else has been given we don't know about? |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:27:00 -
[352] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote:What else has been given we don't know about? there was something mentioned about monocles earlier |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:29:00 -
[353] - Quote
CroisisCZ wrote:or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Case closed, now for the bans... there's nothing implied about it |
Sturmwolke
458
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:30:00 -
[354] - Quote
Tippia wrote: At this point, I'm wondering what they'll seed the people who have been working on dotlan, battleclinic, EFT, EVEMon, Pyfa, EVEUni, Goons. I suppose Chribba should be given 7 unique ships GÇö one for each insanely useful site he has contributed to the community.
This pretty much. There is simply a multitude of other entities (not limited to the above list), providing indispensable tools, content information and misc. contributions for the players. They kept the EVE universe alive, some had been around for several years .... and they still continue to do so.
What of them CCP? Background scenery?
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:30:00 -
[355] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I am flattered that at the age of 58, I can still be considered 'immature'
Thank you.
Immature or not as the case may be, CCP giving any player corp an in-game advantage is wrong.
I think that's called 'projection'
Anomaly One wrote:So from what i've seen is that the person that leaked would have had to be someone from SOMER to get this email in the first place and disregarding that because of this action he will lose out on all that "future" sponsorship = moar isk he decided to leak this email? and the person he chose to send it to was The Mittani and all this because he had a stroke of conscience, sounds like a bad movie
most likely either a goon spy or this is just a scam, also it is really easy to fake an email, either way entertaining thread ahead!
**LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy**
Alpheias wrote:You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a *redacted* but no matter how much they *redacted*, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it.
This is disgusting hate-speech and is without reproach. How do you even conduct yourself in civilized society?
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Some real data. Not simply a name on a screenshot. Who could be any player behind that character now. An opportunity for CCP to speak on it to present their view point.
Or are we now judge, jury & executioner now simply because The Mittani says CCP are evil today? I'm sorry, I don't work like that. I actually work on facts, and allow people to defend themselves first. Then I'll crucify them if it's justified AFTER they get the chance.
Not simply because one of the most biased EVE news sites with it's own major agenda decides to attack CCP's business.
*another logical fallacy incoming!!!* This article alleges CCP may have conspired to give away and cover up. Therefore it attacks CCP's business and calls CCP evil. */logical fallacy*
Prince Kobold wrote:Lol... of course not
So the numerous posts from goonies saying how Evil somer is, how they are a cover for RMT and how anybody who supports them is a shrill on numerous threads is not going after somer...
Of course :)
*hey look guys a thread where every person standing up for blink is only capable of logical fallacies!*
*yet another logical fallacy incoming* People belonging to a group of individuals all have the same opinion, and it's different from mine! Well since only my opinion can be the right one, they must all be working together under some conspiracy! Every person with an opinion different from mine is therefore a goonie, and their opinion invalid as such. */logical fallacy*
On a more serious note, what, precisely, is a 'goonie', and when did they start playing eve?
Also, CCP please consider a 'multiquote' feature, as this post required a supreme amount of effort copy-pasting.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2835
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:32:00 -
[356] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Alpheias wrote:People return to the t20 incident like a sexually abused victim returning to the scene but no matter how much they wash and scrub, it always comes back to haunt them. Again, no. It's CCP that keep returning to it, as if they were a TV series villain of the week. And yes, no matter how much they wash and scrub, that stain on their history won't go awayGǪ
I am actually counting on CCP for precisely that reason. Because I want whiny posters, like the goons, to gather around whatever controversy that CCP manages to cook up, like flies angrily buzzing around it like it was a pile of dung.
Sirane Elrek wrote:Alpheias wrote:Get over it. It's nice that you don't care about the game. Other people do. Bad analogy time: Imagine a game of soccer. If the ref decides one team can field 15 players and three goalies, and the other team couldn't, people would rightfully get angry at the ref. It's the same thing here. I'm not even mad at SOMER, because to be honest if CCP asked me if I wanted some expensive stuff I probably wouldn't say no either. I'm mad at CCP for not playing their part of the impartial referee.
I don't think caring about the "state of the of game" got anything to do with CCP tossing a bunch of re-skinned scorpions to Somer. Not sure if I should laugh or offer you a hug, if you think that it does.
What if CCP did play their part as the impartial referee? After all, this leak points to something that took place in August and they could have voted on it internally. All you can really ask for is that CSM brings this up with CCP on the matter of transparency. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Caldari Provisions
57
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:33:00 -
[357] - Quote
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Facanatingablelating. I don't get it. Blue
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
44
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:33:00 -
[358] - Quote
Maybe in Eve even CCP is allowed to scam? |
Danaro Hekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:36:00 -
[359] - Quote
I think ccp should just post all the rewards and why they were given. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2835
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:37:00 -
[360] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a *redacted* but no matter how much they *redacted*, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it. This is disgusting hate-speech and is without reproach. How do you even conduct yourself in civilized society?
That is easy. Most people I interact with in real life doesn't care about a line of code that makes a space laser in a computer game.
Does that answer your question? Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:37:00 -
[361] - Quote
Quote: **LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy**
THX FOR THE USELESS REPLY which had nothing to do with what I said of HOW this email got leaked and why
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:41:00 -
[362] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a *redacted* but no matter how much they *redacted*, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it. This is disgusting hate-speech and is without reproach. How do you even conduct yourself in civilized society? That is easy. Most people I interact with in real life doesn't care about a line of code that makes a space laser in a computer game. Does that answer your question?
I still don't understand how or why it's ok for you to use the premise of sexual assault to insult and demean. Absolutely zero to do with space-pixels here. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:43:00 -
[363] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:Quote: **LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy** THX FOR THE USELESS REPLY which had nothing to do with what I said of HOW this email got leaked and why
Hi, let me introduce you to Occam's Razor. It's a logical tool you can use so you don't look like an illogical tool. Har Har.
When we apply it to this simple problem, we come to the (rather easily arrived-at) logical conclusion that the 'whistleblower' saw news about the somer blink scandal, and decided to send this information to a news outlet. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
355
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:44:00 -
[364] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:Stupid, stupid, stupid...
CCP continues to amaze me.
Firing T20 and creating the CSM doesn't really help if you keep doing the same thing T20 did on a larger scale and as an official company policy whilst simply bypassing the CSM.
This is wrong and corrupt on so many levels...
At least BoB provided content - tons of it. Now all they got was a shoddy BPO.
Whilst having run into BoB and the content they created, I swear I haven't ever come accross any content created by Somer blink in thousands of hours playing this game for almost nine years on multiple accounts.
Somer blink is a purely self-serving organization feeding on the wide spread of gambling addicts in MMO populations.
So they sponsored events? So what? It helps increasing the population they feed upon. If that is a community service, any empoyee of a company running commercials should receive a free Ferrari from the country hosting the corporate headquarters.
This, why do people ( CCP incl ) keep harping on about what Somerblink has done for content, they have done bugger all apart from marketing themselves and encouraging people on giving them a **** load of isk from out of game ways on a lottery which has always has accusations of being dodgy.
Also if CCP likes what they do for the comunity then they should give them out of game items, like fanfest tickets or those crappy models of ships not ingame items, bottom line is there a LOT of groups in eve which have doen a **** lot more to give people content that this for profit group. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2308
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:45:00 -
[365] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Wow. As soon as I read the Mittani report, I literally closed my game because I felt sick. What a crock of ****, CCP. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you.
Same here - this is so sickening I just unsubbed my accounts. This is not some emoragequit and I don't even want to quit, but continuing to give my money to a company making such a tremendous mass of disturbingly stupid decisions is something I can't reconcile with my conscience.
CCPs absolute inability to learn from past mistakes is shocking. There's a nice saying about those not knowing history being doomed to repeat it - now CCP don't just repeat it, they repeat it with a vengeance.
Sad, really. You know... morons. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1314
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:46:00 -
[366] - Quote
Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
286
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:48:00 -
[367] - Quote
Jita riot in progress. Around 20+ ships shooting the monument at the moment. Everyone join in! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2835
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:48:00 -
[368] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a *redacted* but no matter how much they *redacted*, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it. This is disgusting hate-speech and is without reproach. How do you even conduct yourself in civilized society? That is easy. Most people I interact with in real life doesn't care about a line of code that makes a space laser in a computer game. Does that answer your question? I still don't understand how or why it's ok for you to use the premise of sexual assault to insult and demean. Absolutely zero to do with space-pixels here.
Oh, I am so terribly sorry to have brought up traumatizing memories. I cannot even begin to fathom the terrifying ordeal that you have gone through. I hope that you continue to heal and make a full recovery. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9650
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:49:00 -
[369] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Stupid, stupid, stupid...
CCP continues to amaze me.
Firing T20 and creating the CSM doesn't really help if you keep doing the same thing T20 did on a larger scale and as an official company policy whilst simply bypassing the CSM.
This is wrong and corrupt on so many levels...
At least BoB provided content - tons of it. Now all they got was a shoddy BPO.
Whilst having run into BoB and the content they created, I swear I haven't ever come accross any content created by Somer blink in thousands of hours playing this game for almost nine years on multiple accounts.
Somer blink is a purely self-serving organization feeding on the wide spread of gambling addicts in MMO populations.
So they sponsored events? So what? It helps increasing the population they feed upon. If that is a community service, any empoyee of a company running commercials should receive a free Ferrari from the country hosting the corporate headquarters.
This, why do people ( CCP incl ) keep harping on about what Somerblink has done for content, they have done bugger all apart from marketing themselves and encouraging people on giving them a **** load of isk from out of game ways on a lottery which has always has accusations of being dodgy. Also if CCP likes what they do for the comunity then they should give them out of game items, like fanfest tickets or those crappy models of ships not ingame items, bottom line is there a LOT of groups in eve which have doen a **** lot more to give people content that this for profit group. In this case, it might be content=earnings in terms of PLEX sales, or maybe I missed some #truestories about Somer that will explain all this content.
At least imo content wise I don't see Somer have added much, it's great that they sponsor events and such but still like said, they sponsor in the hopes to earn more from what they put on it. I'm confident that creating content is not the end goal for them.
/c
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:49:00 -
[370] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote:
This, why do people ( CCP incl ) keep harping on about what Somerblink has done for content, they have done bugger all apart from marketing themselves and encouraging people on giving them a **** load of isk from out of game ways on a lottery which has always has accusations of being dodgy.
Also if CCP likes what they do for the comunity then they should give them out of game items, like fanfest tickets or those crappy models of ships not ingame items, bottom line is there a LOT of groups in eve which have doen a **** lot more to give people content that this for profit group.
Because "creating content" is so undefinable and unquantifiable that nobody has to be held accountable for such claims. That's why you see the worst CSM members rushing to parrot these statements. These are the same kind of people who both fall for and perpetually spew every kind of corporate buzzword in the business world, because they prefer obfuscation over clarity.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:49:00 -
[371] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Quote: **LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy** THX FOR THE USELESS REPLY which had nothing to do with what I said of HOW this email got leaked and why Hi, let me introduce you to Occam's Razor. It's a logical tool you can use so you don't look like an illogical tool. Har Har. When we apply it to this simple problem, we come to the (rather easily arrived-at) logical conclusion that the 'whistleblower' saw news about the somer blink scandal, and decided to send this information to a news outlet.
WELL IT CAN HAPPEN. Except there's nothing logical about a SOMER employee doing such a thing when it hurts his corporation and his future benefit just so he can "expose" ccp because CCP will no longer endorse SOMER since they can't be trusted to keep information.
"I GIVE YOU 50 bill to keep quiet and I will keep on giving you (FREE MONEY) if you don't speak of this" "go go whistleblower"
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
84
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:50:00 -
[372] - Quote
I am sorry if I will go against the popular opinion here, but - I don't see anything wrong here except the fact that CCP haven't published that they will be giving away Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community sites.
It is very nice to have a gaming company that rewards its community drivers with symbolic tokens of appreciation. In this case, Ishukone Scorpions are just that - symbolic tokens. They are just regular Scorpions with a different paintjob - BIG DEAL. Those ships do not have real measurable value except for sentimental for the owners and/or collectors.
Think about it... if you wanted to reward players of your game with something in recognition of their community driving efforts, what would you give them? And how exactly is that item that you have on your mind different from a regular ship with slightly different texture? My point exactly - it's not.
The only problem I see here is easily fixable by CCP: Just issue a devblog to announce public giveaway of Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community members at CCP's own discretion and publish the names of lucky winners in subsequent "Community spotlight" devblogs. Problem solved! This way CCP will drive the community to engage more in building a fantastic OOG environment that EVE is famous for (and pretty unique because of the vast amount of OOG tools that expand and complete this game). It will give an initiative to other potential developers of tools and services that are yet to be created which brings quality to a great number of players, regardless of their in-game faction. I know I would not have anything against EFT, EveMon, EDK (eve-kill, zkillboard), Dotlan, EOH Poker... etc. guys getting the same treatment.
Oh, and an obligatory note since I expect an avalanche of pure flame: I do not play on SomerBlink. I had an account there a long time ago, played for a bit, won some, lost some and eventually got bored since lotteries are not exactly my cup of tea. I like to have at least some control over my games, which blink lotteries do not offer. But I know many players from many different alliances that like to play it - and that is enough for me to appreciate the service Somer is providing.
I'm not going into fairness of their lottery system or whether it's rigged or not because that kind of conversation is leading only to speculation and assumptions. I just know that my RL friend tried his luck on Blink and won 10 bil ISK as a 6 months old player. I simply do not have any other information about their fairness in order to have an opinion on it, but t looks pretty simple to me: if people do not have trust in the service, they would be out of business in no time.
Overall, I support CCP's decision to reward community drivers and service providers with symbolic non-gameplay altering tokens of appreciation and only suggest for it to go public and become regular for all that deserve it (decided on CCP's discretion but mandatory made public).
P.S. This can not in any way, shape or form compare to gameplay altering T20 incident where obvious in-game ADVANTAGES were given to specific group of players.
That is all. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:50:00 -
[373] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip... the ship is worth 15-20bil... or it was, during the period of insider trading before everyone else realized the supply magically grew CCP basically gave them a bunch of free supercarrier hulls if you want to look at it from an isk value |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16763
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:51:00 -
[374] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway.
In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Delphina Amaranthus
Random Variable Ventures
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:53:00 -
[375] - Quote
Honestly, this scandal and similar are giving pause to my plans for going to FanFest 2014 I will have to wait and see at this point. IMHO, the parties responsible should be terminated, at the very least. I would suggest them having to pay for any damages to CCP as a result of these scandals, but, given CCP has not taken corrective action previously and the responsible parties seem to have an established pattern of similar poor behavior, I think CCP is responsible for any financial fallout. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
357
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:53:00 -
[376] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip...
It has nothing to do with the ship, but CCP favouring one group over all the others, an for profit group at that which encourages people to give them isk in a out of game way thus actually taking content away from the game. |
Montevius Williams
The Scope Gallente Federation
599
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:53:00 -
[377] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway. In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all.
lol C'mon, man, the Policy maker cant break policy...it's impossible...you must not be American or used to American Politics. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5150
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:54:00 -
[378] - Quote
"we gave this secret gift to a website and told them not to tell anyone for marketing reasons. that's the ticket, marketing, secret marketing nobody is allowed to know about." |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:54:00 -
[379] - Quote
I guess one could say that somer blink doesn't create content for EVE but it does create an income stream. And this seems significant enough for CCP to actually reward them secretly.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about the ships themselves. But I strongly object the giving and the way in which this apparently took place.
I CCP want's to increase sales of GTCs/PLEX and is willing to take any means necessary, hey I can open up an online pharmacy that takes GTCs/PLEX and circumvent various countries/states laws too just like ONLINE GAMBLING. What do I get from you CCP? How much do I need to sell for some nice ships?
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:54:00 -
[380] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:WELL IT CAN HAPPEN. Except there's nothing logical about a SOMER employee doing such a thing when it hurts his corporation and his future benefit just so he can "expose" ccp because CCP will no longer endorse SOMER since they can't be trusted to keep information.
"I GIVE YOU 50 bill to keep quiet and I will keep on giving you (FREE MONEY) if you don't speak of this" "go go whistleblower"
???
Yes, and MINIATURE UNICORNS CAN FLY AROUND MY BEDROOM AT NIGHT. IT CAN HAPPEN.
Never heard of this thing called a conscience?
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
161
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:55:00 -
[381] - Quote
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:I am sorry if I will go against the popular opinion here, but - I don't see anything wrong here except the fact that CCP haven't published that they will be giving away Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community sites.
It is very nice to have a gaming company that rewards its community drivers with symbolic tokens of appreciation. In this case, Ishukone Scorpions are just that - symbolic tokens. They are just regular Scorpions with a different paintjob - BIG DEAL. Those ships do not have real measurable value except for sentimental for the owners and/or collectors.
Think about it... if you wanted to reward players of your game with something in recognition of their community driving efforts, what would you give them? And how exactly is that item that you have on your mind different from a regular ship with slightly different texture? My point exactly - it's not.
The only problem I see here is easily fixable by CCP: Just issue a devblog to announce public giveaway of Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community members at CCP's own discretion and publish the names of lucky winners in subsequent "Community spotlight" devblogs. Problem solved! This way CCP will drive the community to engage more in building a fantastic OOG environment that EVE is famous for (and pretty unique because of the vast amount of OOG tools that expand and complete this game). It will give an initiative to other potential developers of tools and services that are yet to be created which brings quality to a great number of players, regardless of their in-game faction. I know I would not have anything against EFT, EveMon, EDK (eve-kill, zkillboard), Dotlan, EOH Poker... etc. guys getting the same treatment.
Oh, and an obligatory note since I expect an avalanche of pure flame: I do not play on SomerBlink. I had an account there a long time ago, played for a bit, won some, lost some and eventually got bored since lotteries are not exactly my cup of tea. I like to have at least some control over my games, which blink lotteries do not offer. But I know many players from many different alliances that like to play it - and that is enough for me to appreciate the service Somer is providing.
I'm not going into fairness of their lottery system or whether it's rigged or not because that kind of conversation is leading only to speculation and assumptions. I just know that my RL friend tried his luck on Blink and won 10 bil ISK as a 6 months old player. I simply do not have any other information about their fairness in order to have an opinion on it, but t looks pretty simple to me: if people do not have trust in the service, they would be out of business in no time.
Overall, I support CCP's decision to reward community drivers and service providers with symbolic non-gameplay altering tokens of appreciation and only suggest for it to go public and become regular for all that deserve it (decided on CCP's discretion but mandatory made public).
P.S. This can not in any way, shape or form compare to gameplay altering T20 incident where obvious in-game ADVANTAGES were given to specific group of players.
That is all.
Keep in mind that these tokens amount to isk, and therefore an in-game advantage. As odd as it seems, I think there would be less issue in the players' eyes if CCP gave Somer a plaque, some ship models to hand out, t-shirts, or even a trip to Iceland and a tour of the HQ.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:56:00 -
[382] - Quote
Also, for those interested, there is a feature to 'block user's posts' I recommend you use after reporting Alpheias' unacceptable behaviour. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
66
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:58:00 -
[383] - Quote
Somer blink is amazing and is good for the eve community. FACT.
Should CCP reward community web pages like somer? YES.
SHOULD, CCP reward them with(effectively) isk. HELL NO.
Find another way to reward them..
Hell I'd even be fine with them getting a 1 year free subscription (not plex) .... Least that cannot be used in game to screw with the sandbox.... Common CCP.... You are better than this! |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
162
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:58:00 -
[384] - Quote
Delphina Amaranthus wrote:Honestly, this scandal and similar are giving pause to my plans for going to FanFest 2014 I will have to wait and see at this point. IMHO, the parties responsible should be terminated, at the very least. I would suggest them having to pay for any damages to CCP as a result of these scandals, but, given CCP has not taken corrective action previously and the responsible parties seem to have an established pattern of similar poor behavior, I think CCP is responsible for any financial fallout.
I honestly tend to be very anti-termination rhetoric on forums, but I will agree that the people who decided that getting in bed deeper and deeper with SomerBLINK was a good idea should be retasked to something involving a little less independent thought because they've proven themselves incapable of making sound business decisions.
As for CCP's response. I expect we'll hear from Hilmar on this one as the outrage grows. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:00:00 -
[385] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:"we gave this secret gift to a website and told them not to tell anyone for marketing reasons. that's the ticket, marketing, secret marketing nobody is allowed to know about."
And at the same time planning on giving them trillions of isk of free stuff that they may or may not auction off, making them billions in profit at the expense of their competitors and with the benefit of CCP giving them free advertising and our backing.
Nope, nothing wrong with any of this, so long as you don't care about business ethics, the way EvE works, open play/sandbox game design etc. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
84
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:00:00 -
[386] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote: Keep in mind that these tokens amount to isk, and therefore an in-game advantage. As odd as it seems, I think there would be less issue in the players' eyes if CCP gave Somer a plaque, some ship models to hand out, t-shirts, or even a trip to Iceland and a tour of the HQ.
These tokens do not amount to ISK more than materials provided by reprocessing of those ships. Collectors and owners give them artificial value based on sentiment.
CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4691
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:01:00 -
[387] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway. In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all. Maybe it was policy to give favorites things and try to hide it, what thennnnnn There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 -
[388] - Quote
WWWAAAAAA............WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA...........WWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
286
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 -
[389] - Quote
Jita riot underway. Join the party everyone! |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1181
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 -
[390] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Wow. As soon as I read the Mittani report, I literally closed my game because I felt sick. What a crock of ****, CCP. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you.
This. I don't know if I want to be here anymore if CCP is giving out billions of ISK to arbitrarily chosen in-game groups, under the table. What else has been given out? Who else received this "gift" from CCP? Are the people we are waging a war against perhaps funded by the devs? What's the point in all the empire building, alliance leadership, logistics, and efforts of literally thousands of people, when this other group just gets their money handed to them for free, spawned from thin air? |
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Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:03:00 -
[391] - Quote
The only reason I can think for showing favoritism to a gambling site of all things is that said gambling site, unlike such notable freeloaders as Dotlan, EFT, and Evemon, is that the gambling site in question undoubtedly drives a very large amount of players to buy plex.
That's the only rational reason I can figure for this. And even that rational reason is stupid. It's bad business. It's focusing on trying to get more money out of your existing players rather than bringing more players into the game. Exact same mistake CCP made with the monocles and thousand dollar pants.
If CCP was showing favoritism to entities that actually helped find and retain new players, that would at least make sense. But as it is, this is just another sad confirmation that the business team at CCP thinks the only way forward is milking the veterans. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
162
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:04:00 -
[392] - Quote
Dring Dingle wrote: Somer blink is amazing and is good for the eve community. FACT.
Should CCP reward community web pages like somer? YES.
SHOULD, CCP reward them with(effectively) isk. HELL NO.
Find another way to reward them..
Hell I'd even be fine with them getting a 1 year free subscription (not plex) .... Least that cannot be used in game to screw with the sandbox.... Common CCP.... You are better than this!
This guy gets it. +1
Token gifts folks, token gifts.
Oddly enough in an online game, things with real life value (such as Iceland airfare) are seen as token gifts by your customers. In game items, of absolutely no real world value (we like to think) are not acceptable as they muck with the sandbox. That mucking leads to an appearance of IN GAME impropriety, raises doubts about Somer's legitimacy as a PLAYER organization, and otherwise ruins people's game experience.
CCP should not be in the business of effective endorsing these sites, and the lottery scandal along with this basically seems to amount to a business parternship with Somer, in which case all their isk should be removed from the game and they should function purely via real world contract with CCP. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
590
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:10:00 -
[393] - Quote
Welp. it appears to be up on kotaku now. http://t.co/PLURl652Ci |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4691
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:11:00 -
[394] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:The only reason I can think for showing favoritism to a gambling site of all things is that said gambling site, unlike such notable freeloaders as Dotlan, EFT, and Evemon, is that the gambling site in question undoubtedly drives a very large amount of players to buy plex.
That's the only rational reason I can figure for this. And even that rational reason is stupid. It's bad business. It's focusing on trying to get more money out of your existing players rather than bringing more players into the game. Exact same mistake CCP made with the monocles and thousand dollar pants.
If CCP was showing favoritism to entities that actually helped find and retain new players, that would at least make sense. But as it is, this is just another sad confirmation that the business team at CCP thinks the only way forward is milking the veterans. Never not milk. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:12:00 -
[395] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:Anomaly One wrote:WELL IT CAN HAPPEN. Except there's nothing logical about a SOMER employee doing such a thing when it hurts his corporation and his future benefit just so he can "expose" ccp because CCP will no longer endorse SOMER since they can't be trusted to keep information.
"I GIVE YOU 50 bill to keep quiet and I will keep on giving you (FREE MONEY) if you don't speak of this" "go go whistleblower"
??? Yes, and MINIATURE UNICORNS CAN FLY AROUND MY BEDROOM AT NIGHT. IT CAN HAPPEN. Never heard of this thing called a conscience?
well if you take drugs it DOES happen
Except logic doesn't apply to conscience unless it somehow distinguishes GOOD FROM BAD , I bet when the somer employee asked "what is the most logically thing to do, I KNOW blow this whole scandal out so I can lose out on future ISK so if you're going to argue don't use "logically he did it because of conscience" because there is no ******* logic in it to do it, no benefit in fact he benefits more from keeping quiet, nothing but making this giant flame thread which i'm quite enjoying, he just did it as a catharsis for his conscience
Just like the guy that stole 45bill and gave it back to Red Frog, he gained nothing and lost everything.
Cool thread and people say the goons don't provide content |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
358
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:12:00 -
[396] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:
The only reason I can think for showing favoritism to a gambling site of all things is that said gambling site, unlike such notable freeloaders as Dotlan, EFT, and Evemon, is that the gambling site in question undoubtedly drives a very large amount of players to buy plex
SO THEY CAN PUT ISK DIRECTLY INTO GAMBLING SITES WALLET.
Added a rather important bit. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4691
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:13:00 -
[397] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Wow. As soon as I read the Mittani report, I literally closed my game because I felt sick. What a crock of ****, CCP. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you. This. I don't know if I want to be here anymore if CCP is giving out billions of ISK to arbitrarily chosen in-game groups, under the table. What else has been given out? Who else received this "gift" from CCP? Are the people we are waging a war against perhaps funded by the devs? What's the point in all the empire building, alliance leadership, logistics, and efforts of literally thousands of people, when this other group just gets their money handed to them for free, spawned from thin air? Clearly TEST wasn't getting isk. They need it. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
165
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:14:00 -
[398] - Quote
Boycott SomerBLINK folks. Get your friends to do the same.
They are 50% of this problem, and at this point, through accepting these gifts, in the pocket of CCP. They do not deserve your 'business'. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
617
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:17:00 -
[399] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Boycott SomerBLINK folks. Get your friends to do the same.
They are 50% of this problem, and at this point, through accepting these gifts, in the pocket of CCP. They do not deserve your 'business'.
Dude... If ccp offered you 20b+ isk would you take it? I'm going to answer the question for you and say yes, yes you would take it.
So, how exactly is it somer blinks fault that ccp fed them possibly over a trillion isk? CCP owns this one, in it's entirety.
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Kirryan
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:17:00 -
[400] - Quote
I echo the sentiments of a few here.
SOMER is good for eve.
Nothing wrong with CCP rewarding SOMER.
But for the love of all things shiny and explosive - DONT do it with Game items or ISK - send them some T-Shirts or a USB Hub rifter or something... |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1377
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:23:00 -
[401] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Alpheias wrote:Get over it. It's nice that you don't care about the game. Other people do. Bad analogy time: Imagine a game of soccer. If the ref decides one team can field 15 players and three goalies, and the other team couldn't, people would rightfully get angry at the ref. It's the same thing here. I'm not even mad at SOMER, because to be honest if CCP asked me if I wanted some expensive stuff I probably wouldn't say no either. I'm mad at CCP for not playing their part of the impartial referee.
Fairly recently, I was awarded some isk for a faulty mission (a very small amount) I did not feel I had earned.
I asked that the isk be removed, when this was declined (very nicely and politely) I gave the said isk to a random newbie in the Help channel.
I really do believe that everything in the game should be earned fairly, well fairly by Eve standards of fairness. This is not a signature. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
169
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:24:00 -
[402] - Quote
Kirryan wrote:I echo the sentiments of a few here.
SOMER is good for eve.
Nothing wrong with CCP rewarding SOMER.
But for the love of all things shiny and explosive - DONT do it with Game items or ISK - send them some T-Shirts or a USB Hub rifter or something...
THIS. +1.
Do not read my posts wrong either. I do not deny that Somer is potentially good for EVE (I am not versed enough in economics to comment on this), nor that CCP should be able to reward people who run third party sites.
But keep it out of the game. And keep it to things of little value. Doing so removes the impression of impropriety and it avoids meddling in the in game economy. |
Dalto Bane
Knights of the Posing Meat The Obsidian Front
10
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:25:00 -
[403] - Quote
This still continues to not bother me much. I do not view "Sombergate" and the T20 scandal as being one in the same. One is a third party entity that provides a gambling service to the Eve community and is being rewarded with CCP spawned items, while the other was a CCP employee who was providing his alt player alliance with CCP spawned items.
I for one, would like to see more transparency in the way CCP rewards third party entities and perhaps a CSM review and vote at the beginning of the year of what gifts are appropriate for what cause, but I certainly do not think the a reward program of some kind should cease all together.
Something to think about in my closing; If CCP wanted, they could dissolve Somber Blink as we know it, then hire them as CCP third party employer/volunteer who would then act much like an ISD volunteer with full oversight from CCP and continue to do exactly what they are doing now. Then what? I left this very broad, but I can see something like this being one of the directions that CCP could go as an answer to all the cries of foul that this issues is causing. I do not wish to be viewed as trolling, these opinions are my own, and I assure you I have been persuaded many times that my opinion was misinformed and/or wrong, but has never been by an unintelligent response. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
84
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:26:00 -
[404] - Quote
Kirryan wrote:I echo the sentiments of a few here.
SOMER is good for eve.
Nothing wrong with CCP rewarding SOMER.
But for the love of all things shiny and explosive - DONT do it with Game items or ISK - send them some T-Shirts or a USB Hub rifter or something...
Get T-shirt, sell T-shirt, buy PLEXes with that money, buy sandwich with the change, get ISK. Get USB hub, sell USB hub, buy PLEXes with that money, buy sandwich with the change, get ISK. Get Ishukone Scorpion, sell Ishukone Scorpion, get ISK, no sandwich.
The only difference of giving away non gameplay altering items is that - there's no sandwich! It's not like CCP has given away ISK from thin air - the ISK would in this case come from collectors who maid it in various game supported ways.
CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Arrendis
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
60
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:26:00 -
[405] - Quote
Ed Tekki wrote:Dean of Grief University Proffessor Edward Tekki BA(teerz) MA PHd
Dean Tekki;
In the interests of encouraging and improving the state of higher education throughout New Eden, I offer you greetings and salutations. I also offer some advice:
"Professor" has only 1 'f'. The abbreviation for a Doctorate is "PhD", not "PHd".
Conveniently, a spellchecker like those built into most primitive web browsers will catch both of these errors. As you are a highly educated man, and one whose job entails a vast multitude - indeed, one might say a plethora - of important, highly-important detail-oriented tasks, I can only assume that these errors are in fact the result of laziness on the part of your secretary. Please have her shot. As she is, doubtless, in possession of the same capsuleer/infantry implants as the rest of us, simply make sure her clone is up to date, and it can be considered a warning execution. Thank you.
Sincerely; Arrendis Culome, adjunct, Pedants Without Borders
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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:27:00 -
[406] - Quote
I just want to remind everyone raging atm and thinking about leaving the game, I would be pleased to take care of your stuff until you return. Just contract it to me. Thanks a lot. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
86
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:29:00 -
[407] - Quote
I hope all you whiners are happy. SOMER is doing Scorpion promos just for the occasion :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
284
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:29:00 -
[408] - Quote
Charlie Firpol wrote:I just want to remind everyone raging atm and thinking about leaving the game, I would be pleased to take care of your stuff until you return. Just contract it to me. Thanks a lot. original |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1315
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:44:00 -
[409] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway. In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all. Maybe it was policy to give favorites things and try to hide it, what thennnnnn
what like when john turberfield was fired cheeting in summer 2012? wait what!?!?!? no one heard about that! or is it the group he was helping is the single largerest entity in the game and does not want people to know they are rotten cheaters!? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Script66
Solus Ventures
5
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:46:00 -
[410] - Quote
Honestly, my problem isn't the gift to a popular community organizer. I think it is completely okay frankly.
My problem is CCP did something they felt was wrong and would upset the community. By telling SOMER to not tell anyone, they are admitting "We shouldn't do this, its would to **** people off, but honestly, who cares, just don't tell anyone'. |
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:48:00 -
[411] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Boycott SomerBLINK folks. Get your friends to do the same.
They are 50% of this problem, and at this point, through accepting these gifts, in the pocket of CCP. They do not deserve your 'business'. They are not the problem. They are in business of making isk. So of course when they get offered even more isk, they say yes. You will never see a casino saying "Please dont give us more money, we have enough".
Problem is CCP thinking that its a good idea to reward fan sites this way - secretly, and with items of significant ingame value. Well and their selection of whom to give prizes, but that is arguable point. Some say its not ethical to give rewards to gambling sites, some say other deserve it more. There is no real point in arguing this.
Rewarding fan sites is perfectly fine and logical, it serves the purpose - promote the game, advertise it, attract new players. Ishukone is a promotion ship, so giving him makes sense. What does not make sense is giving him in secret, without announcement. Promotion actually means publicity, advertisement. But how can you advertise something that you do not reveal?
In my imagination it should go like this: "Eve Radio is awesome service, we are giving them 5 ships for DJ's to use at their volition. Good Job guys! We need more Eve players like you! "
And this serves as example that a good service is being rewarded. But then again i would expect not one, or even two fan services to be rewarded like this, but most of them who are there for many years and doing great job. We have charities, media sites, tool developers, bloggers, etc. All of them should be rewarded equally. If you reward just one (and secretly at that) its favoritism, if you reward everyone who contributes, then its fair and all good.
P.S. I dont like boycotts and all that "ragequit" methodology, but i caught myself having doubts about going to fanfest2014 after these 2 incidents with CCP/Somer. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
53
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:50:00 -
[412] - Quote
I support this thread, come join us rioting in Jita. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2439
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:52:00 -
[413] - Quote
We are leaving this thread open to the discussion of the matter, but ask that you keep it on topic, and civil. Anything deviating from that will be met with an appropriate response. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1316
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:55:00 -
[414] - Quote
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...
but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...
and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...
but thats ok right?
I am just going to finish this with Herpa derpa derp derp. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
351
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:58:00 -
[415] - Quote
On topic and civil:
Please stop using logical fallacy to create conspiracies that purport to defend somer blink/ccp.
Instead use logic to examine the situation. Draw your own conclusions from evidence, or withhold judgement until an official response has been provided.
I think that sums up my (now deleted) effort-post nicely. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16764
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:58:00 -
[416] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...
but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...
and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...
but thats ok right? No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Din Chao
360
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:02:00 -
[417] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:I am just going to finish this with Herpa derpa derp derp. Not necessary, that's all anyone got from everything else you |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
53
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:05:00 -
[418] - Quote
Since this is the official 'CCP/Somer Blink scandal' thread can we get it stickied perhaps? Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:05:00 -
[419] - Quote
WWWAAAAAA............WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA...........WWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4692
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:07:00 -
[420] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...
but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...
and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...
but thats ok right? No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time. All these threads and that article disclosing ~bad things~ are a waste of ccp's time
they could be blinkin' and getting money There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
352
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:10:00 -
[421] - Quote
Xaen posted in another thread that has been locked, so I move it here, to the official thread:
Dear CCP,
You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed.
Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.
Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you:
http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions
I never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!
I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam!
That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again.
Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit.
And since I refuse to become a SomerSuckerGäó I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink.
But it is still a scam.
The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again.
If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate.
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
GÇöMark Twain Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Thomas Hurt
Yan Jung Clique
149
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:10:00 -
[422] - Quote
Basically this. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1319
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:11:00 -
[423] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...
but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...
and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...
but thats ok right? No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time.
Mr. Assange is that you?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Drackarn
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
36
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:12:00 -
[424] - Quote
SomerBLINK supports in-game events. Why? The same as AON sponsor Manchester United or the Bank of America sponsor the New England Patriots. To advertise, to get more customers and to make more PROFIT.
Lets look at some other deserving community sites...
The Angel Project by Sindel Pellion Eve Travel and the Lore Guide by Mark726 Eveoganda by Rixx Jivix
Why do these SomerBLINK employees work for the this gambling webiste? For ISK! For a slice of the big profits it generates. So CCP grants them a 20bn ISK ship ON TOP of the ISK they receive for running the site?
If CCP had said, "look guys we are giving away these ships for people who do a lot for the community ad SB are the first" I'd have said OK, don't agree with the first awardee but whatever". But its the underhand way its been carried out.
Smells fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldrick's Apple Crumble! http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.com/ |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1319
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:13:00 -
[425] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...
but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...
and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...
but thats ok right? No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time. All these threads and that article disclosing ~bad things~ are a waste of ccp's time they could be blinkin' and getting money
indeed they dont work for lollypops right? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3101
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:14:00 -
[426] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Trebor, do try to keep up. It is not the secrecy etc that is the main issue, bad as that is. It is the fact that CCP is favouring a player corp. Josef, baby, I love your work, but do try to keep up. This is not news. CCP gives free stuff to individuals and groups all the time. The difference here is that it wasn't made public (like fansite support is, or the free accounts CSM members get), it went to a group that runs an explicitly for-profit business, there is an appearance of favoritism, and it is coupled with the ship giveaway furore.
Chribba wrote:*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm* We would have thought we were being trolled and would have immediately endorsed it as absolutely brilliant and showered it with effusive praise. Like any honest politician, "My door is always open, and my hand is always out" |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:16:00 -
[427] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...
but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...
and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...
but thats ok right? No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time. All these threads and that article disclosing ~bad things~ are a waste of ccp's time they could be blinkin' and getting money indeed they dont work for lollypops right?
I do like lollipops. And blinking. I do it often, several times per minute. Keeps my eyes healthy. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1320
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:16:00 -
[428] - Quote
Drackarn wrote:SomerBLINK supports in-game events. Why? The same as AON sponsor Manchester United or the Bank of America sponsor the New England Patriots. To advertise, to get more customers and to make more PROFIT.
Lets look at some other deserving community sites...
The Angel Project by Sindel Pellion Eve Travel and the Lore Guide by Mark726 Eveoganda by Rixx Jivix
Why do these SomerBLINK employees work for the this gambling webiste? For ISK! For a slice of the big profits it generates. So CCP grants them a 20bn ISK ship ON TOP of the ISK they receive for running the site?
If CCP had said, "look guys we are giving away these ships for people who do a lot for the community ad SB are the first" I'd have said OK, don't agree with the first awardee but whatever". But its the underhand way its been carried out.
Smells fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldrick's Apple Crumble!
people keep saying 20billion isk... as if that means anything... if ccp deems it that they want to give players vanity crap then that is thier prerogative... i mean they dont have to notify us every time they by two ply toilet peper instead of one ply...
the ship is a vanity skin. that is it... if you derps did not have the breakdown with the nex store you could by now get a scorp in fuchsia pink...
its just odd. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
428
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:22:00 -
[429] - Quote
James Arget wrote:/me facepalms
This is not what I was looking forward to dealing with tonight.
Like you can get anything done (CSM) CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4692
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:24:00 -
[430] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Chribba wrote:*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm* We would have thought we were being trolled and would have immediately endorsed it as absolutely brilliant and showered it with effusive praise. And then what happens when it appears on themittanidotcom There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
169
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:25:00 -
[431] - Quote
A moderation discussion post and a personal attack post have been removed.
Forum rule 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:32:00 -
[432] - Quote
Posting in another SomerBlink/CCP's bad decisions about 3rd party sites threadnaught.
My problem with this has nothing to do with SomerBlink. I play on the site and could really care less whether its a scam or not.
I do care about the fact that CCP is making some pretty damn bad precedent recently with favoring a third-party site with ludicrously influential power and assets. The argument that can be made is that CCP is pushing customers to SomerBlink to the detriment of other, less-known 3rd Party sites. There's no incentive to make a better site, for example, if CCP is throwing muscle and "officially sanctioned" events behind Somer. Why does Somer's group deserve to be elevated above other 3rd party innovators?
What about other 3rd party groups? Everyone who reads this thread knows of or has been affected by the people of eve-id.net and associated projects involving the API. Has every present and past developer of EveDev Killboard been given a fitting reward to CCP for their contributions to the community? How about Peter Powers, has he gotten anything for his contributions to the API/Dev community? Karbo? Squiz? Wolari? What's been given to the EVE Blog/Vlog/Podcast projects?
How about those of us who put on events outside of the game? Have the people who coordinate player meets been given free stuff? If so, I never received anything for the work I put into VETO Summer Camp a few years ago. How about the people who do stuff around Austin, TX? Ontario, Canada? The Blob BBQ? VETO London? The Russian playermeets?
Finally, I think its very strange that a group that's helping to sponsor portions of EVE Vegas is getting some rather substantial attention recently. What about the other major group that attracts a lot of its members to the event based upon the glorious man-beard of one of the organizer (grr goons)? Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
338
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:36:00 -
[433] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote: if ccp deems it that they want to give players vanity crap then that is thier prerogative... And if I as a customer of CCPs product, with which they can do however they like according to you, think that the steps taken would distort the game in a way I feel uncomfortable with should just STFU and unsub?
I think the reasonable response to something like this is the thread we see here where customers can show their discomfort with the situation to give CCP the chance to fix it before it becomes even worse and people actually start leaving. Well I wonder what they can possibly do to fix this..
Or we could stay silent and let them drive into the wall. It depends, if you like the game or not.
If all the players where like you and don't give a f*** about things like this, how far would EVE have come, and how would it look like if it had survived? I rather don't know |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
109
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:37:00 -
[434] - Quote
Ccp On top of everything else that has happened this is insane. How is this a remotely fair sandbox when you do this stuff and this is the 4th thing to annoy people in a month. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
99
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:39:00 -
[435] - Quote
Dear CCP,
You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed.
Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.
Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you:
http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions
I never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!
I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam!
That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again.
Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit.
And since I refuse to become a SomerSuckerGäó I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink.
But it is still a scam.
The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again.
If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate.
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
GÇöMark Twain I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5162
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:44:00 -
[436] - Quote
I would dearly love an explanation for why, of all the really valuable tools and fan sites that exist because their creators love eve and created something to let players enjoy the game more or play the game better, the one that exists solely to make its creators scads of money got two gigantic handouts while all the ones that are actually nonprofit and promote the game got nothing. Also, why Navigator was involved in both decisions, and if he's seen fit to give any other fan site random gifts.
It's suspicious as all hell that of all the deserving sites, Somer was apparently #1 AND #2 in line. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
428
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:44:00 -
[437] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Oh look!
More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them.
Surprised! how about you hop down from the "grr goons" bandwagon and actually look at the topic you're posting about? Problem is, all this is just a goonies, well when I say goonies what I mean is Kittens being pissed that CCP have yet to create a statue in his honor in every system and have yet to rename Eve Online to "The Mittani is God Online" The only reason they are going after Somer is because they can use the "They make a Profit" line and depict Somer as some Evil Organisation and make unproven accusations that its a cover for RMT. The fact that Somer has donate hundreds of billions of isk to player sponsored events (more then any other entity in the history of Eve) is irreverent apparently.
The fact that for-profit Somer has marketing campaign to make sure their advertisements show up everywhere has nothing to do with the fact that CCP is playing favorites at the expense of in game players.
You can drop the "goonies are the only ones pissed off here" troll right now. This is impacting everyone.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Roxwar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
122
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:45:00 -
[438] - Quote
Looks like this whole mess CCP has created is starting to filter onto the mainstream gaming sites.
Not the kind of press i'd welcome if i was CCP, claims of favoritism goes against everything they promote this game to be.
Kotaku |
mentalkiller
Galbadian Rush
34
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:48:00 -
[439] - Quote
But you ban people for buying ISK from ISK Farmers?
At least ISK farmers really earned the ISK by playing all day /mentalKiller |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
112
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:50:00 -
[440] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Trebor, do try to keep up. It is not the secrecy etc that is the main issue, bad as that is. It is the fact that CCP is favouring a player corp. Josef, baby, I love your work, but do try to keep up. This is not news. CCP gives free stuff to individuals and groups all the time. The difference here is that it wasn't made public (like fansite support is, or the free accounts CSM members get), it went to a group that runs an explicitly for-profit business, there is an appearance of favoritism, and it is coupled with the ship giveaway furore.
I may have lived under a rock but no I for one didn't know this stuff has been given away except for a plex here and there until now. I can see stuff being given away for tournies or stuff at fanfest but no nothing else should have been given away. If whoever got these items used them to fund an alliance then that alliance would get an unfair advantage and that's not what eve is about. Give people collectors editions or out of game ship models, Nothing in game with the very rare plex should ever be given to a group of players. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1320
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:50:00 -
[441] - Quote
Karak Terrel wrote:MeBiatch wrote: if ccp deems it that they want to give players vanity crap then that is thier prerogative... And if I as a customer of CCPs product, with which they can do however they like according to you, think that the steps taken would distort the game in a way I feel uncomfortable with should just STFU and unsub? I think the reasonable response to something like this is the thread we see here where customers can show their discomfort with the situation to give CCP the chance to fix it before it becomes even worse and people actually start leaving. Well I wonder what they can possibly do to fix this.. Or we could stay silent and let them drive into the wall. It depends, if you like the game or not. If all the players where like you and don't give a f*** about things like this, how far would EVE have come, and how would it look like if it had survived? I rather don't know
you know i do not agree with a single thing you said... sound like entitlement issues or you were just not breast fed long enough... but i do like your pashion... so plus one from me. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
623
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:53:00 -
[442] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:I would dearly love an explanation for why, of all the really valuable tools and fan sites that exist because their creators love eve and created something to let players enjoy the game more or play the game better, the one that exists solely to make its creators scads of money got two gigantic handouts while all the ones that are actually nonprofit and promote the game got nothing.
Holly run on batman
But I agree with you. The one "Community Service" they decide to hand trillions worth of assets to is the one designed from the get go to produce hugs swathes of isk for it's creators.
The whole thing just stinks and as bitter as it sounds, I hope eve has a significant drop in subs and gets some bad publicity for this. CCP History has shown that this is really the only way they make any significant changes.
But yeah, deleting all hand outs given over the past year as well as posting a long winded public apology would go a long way. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
353
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:56:00 -
[443] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:you know i do not agree with a single thing you said... sound like entitlement issues or you were just not breast fed long enough... but i do like your pashion... so plus one from me.
Gifting unprecedented value of assets to individual organisations goes against the fundamental principal of eve. I don't see the entitlement issues or the need for a mindless insult, but I do see you, spewing sarcastic poorly-spelled garbage.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Rhatar Khurin
United Earth Directorate
162
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:00:00 -
[444] - Quote
One way CCP could totally lessen the vitriol would be to announce that the Ishakone Scorpions would be BPC available in game from whatever source. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
625
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:01:00 -
[445] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:MeBiatch wrote:you know i do not agree with a single thing you said... sound like entitlement issues or you were just not breast fed long enough... but i do like your pashion... so plus one from me. Gifting unprecedented value of assets to individual organisations goes against the fundamental principal of eve. I don't see the entitlement issues or the need for a mindless insult, but I do see you, spewing sarcastic poorly-spelled garbage.
Pretty sure mebiatch is just screaming some words he saw on fox news earlier this week...
I guess players getting pissy over CCP gifting trillions of assets to a particular group in direct conflict of their games "sandbox" buzzword is considered "entitlement issues". The truth is that me biatch lives in a different reality than most of us. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1320
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:01:00 -
[446] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:MeBiatch wrote:you know i do not agree with a single thing you said... sound like entitlement issues or you were just not breast fed long enough... but i do like your pashion... so plus one from me. Gifting unprecedented value of assets to individual organisations goes against the fundamental principal of eve. I don't see the entitlement issues or the need for a mindless insult, but I do see you, spewing sarcastic poorly-spelled garbage.
you do know the ships have zero value... right? thier value is only eq to what an eve player is willing to pay them for it.
they did not just generate isk out of the air... that 400 billion price tag had to be farmed/mission to get in the game.
so no CCP did not give any play one isk. they game them a vanity item that would have been in game two years ago for RL cash if people did not freak out about the NeX store.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
429
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:03:00 -
[447] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:This is the time for those of you who feel strongly about this to take an action that CCP will understand. Log off.
The Goons are the one group that could organize such a thing and actually have an impact. Next week, beginning at 00:00 Friday, log off every CFC pilot for the entire weekend. With an entire coalition logged out, plus anyone sympathetic to it also logged out, maybe concurrent logon numbers will wake them out of their ******* stupidity. Nothing less will have any effect. As long as you keep logging on and providing content, CCP doesn't give a rat's ass what you think.
No just CFC, everyone.
6 days on accounts.... at least the sub timing is on spot for once. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
291
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:03:00 -
[448] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:[quote=Eram Fidard] so no CCP did not give any play one isk.
Nope. They simply transferred 450b isk from rare ship collectors to SOMER Blink for free.
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
295
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:06:00 -
[449] - Quote
So...
14b for a ship 14bb/580m = 24 months of plex. How nice from CCP giving 2 years free to some players. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
137
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:10:00 -
[450] - Quote
I think this is very unfortunate and actually sad. Eve is really dying. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:12:00 -
[451] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:MeBiatch wrote:you know i do not agree with a single thing you said... sound like entitlement issues or you were just not breast fed long enough... but i do like your pashion... so plus one from me. Gifting unprecedented value of assets to individual organisations goes against the fundamental principal of eve. I don't see the entitlement issues or the need for a mindless insult, but I do see you, spewing sarcastic poorly-spelled garbage. Pretty sure mebiatch is just screaming some words he saw on fox news earlier this week... I guess players getting pissy over CCP gifting trillions of assets to a particular group in direct conflict of their games "sandbox" buzzword is considered "entitlement issues". The truth is that me biatch lives in a different reality than most of us.
you do know i am powered by bitterness right?
seriously though they did not give them one iota of isk. thats a false cliam... what they did do was gift some players items that currently eve players are willing to pay 20 billion isk per ship.
you can see even from your reality the difference correct? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:13:00 -
[452] - Quote
bloodknight2 wrote:So...
14b for a ship 14bb/580m = 24 months of plex. How nice from CCP giving 2 years free to some players.
ok like when mittenz won all those plex for his epic story of disbanding BOB? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1381
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:14:00 -
[453] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:[quote=Josef Djugashvilis]Dear Trebor, do try to keep up. It is not the secrecy etc that is the main issue, bad as that is. It is the fact that CCP is favouring a player corp. Josef, baby, I love your work, but do try to keep up. This is not news. CCP gives free stuff to individuals and groups all the time. The difference here is that it wasn't made public (like fansite support is, or the free accounts CSM members get), it went to a group that runs an explicitly for-profit business, there is an appearance of favoritism, and it is coupled with the ship giveaway furore.
Dear Trebor, you will know you have caught up when you realize that CCP favouring any player or player corp in any, was wrong in the past, is wrong now, and would be wrong in the future.
Not that CCP are likely to discuss such matters with the CSM in any case. This is not a signature. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:14:00 -
[454] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:MeBiatch wrote:[quote=Eram Fidard] so no CCP did not give any play one isk.
Nope. They simply transferred 450b isk from rare ship collectors to SOMER Blink for free.
indeed. to which they will remain in my hold until fully fit with officer gear collecting dust.
so really again what is the problem... other then people upset they did not get nice things too. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:14:00 -
[455] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:bloodknight2 wrote:So...
14b for a ship 14bb/580m = 24 months of plex. How nice from CCP giving 2 years free to some players. ok like when mittenz won all those plex for his epic story of disbanding BOB?
Yes because a competition with anounced prices is totally the same as secretly gifting stuff to some chosen entity. Totally the same. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
672
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:14:00 -
[456] - Quote
uhm don't care this is why : Marlona_Sky
Going to go against the grain here, but I know for a fact Somer Blink has been a massive help in sponsoring countless player events. Player events that would most likely not happen without such sponsorship. Player events that generate a metric **** ton of content for the players. So to all of you raging in the comments section and other forums how Somer has not done anything or very little at all for the community; shut it.
I will sit back and wait for something official from CCP and the CSM in the mean time.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
547
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:16:00 -
[457] - Quote
Good thing we elected CSM members like Trebor to defend CCP against the demands of their paying customers no matter what, and to be really snarky about it, too. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
628
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:16:00 -
[458] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:
you do know i am powered by bitterness right?
seriously though they did not give them one iota of isk. thats a false cliam... what they did do was gift some players items that currently eve players are willing to pay 20 billion isk per ship.
you can see even from your reality the difference correct?
I never said they gave them isk, i said they gave them trillions in assets, which they did do (between aur items and scorps). You can sit here and argue some freshman high school economic crap all you want. It does not change the fact that people will pay 10b-20b isk for these and blink will end up with FAR more isk than they had before the gifting. So yeah, you are very correct, ccp did not give them isk, but they sure as **** gave them assets wroth a butt load of isk.
Regardless of the semantics here mebiatch, what ccp has done here directly violates the idea of a sandbox. Btw, I'm talking about a figurative sandbox filled with internet spaceships and what not, not the literal kitty/child variety. Then again I guess there is no difference between figurative and literal in the English language anymore, so **** it. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:17:00 -
[459] - Quote
Koby Botick wrote:MeBiatch wrote:bloodknight2 wrote:So...
14b for a ship 14bb/580m = 24 months of plex. How nice from CCP giving 2 years free to some players. ok like when mittenz won all those plex for his epic story of disbanding BOB? Yes because a competition with anounced prices is totally the same as secretly gifting stuff to some chosen entity. Totally the same.
how was it a competition when i even got a ping to vote for his stupid story... (i should get my alt out of the cfc)
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
102
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:17:00 -
[460] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:uhm don't care this is why : Marlona_Sky
Going to go against the grain here, but I know for a fact Somer Blink has been a massive help in sponsoring countless player events. Player events that would most likely not happen without such sponsorship. Player events that generate a metric **** ton of content for the players. So to all of you raging in the comments section and other forums how Somer has not done anything or very little at all for the community; shut it.
I will sit back and wait for something official from CCP and the CSM in the mean time.
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
GÇöMark Twain I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
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Anthony Blunt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:19:00 -
[461] - Quote
I just hope that CCP is making lots of money. Enough money to not to want to walk away from it. Because if it was my company I would seriously consider selling it to EA or Blizzard.
Sure pulling the plug would be nice but that would be like poisoning your puppy. Be careful of what you wish for.
I am not my main, just a blunt instrument. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:21:00 -
[462] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote: Btw, I'm talking about a figurative sandbox filled with internet spaceships and what not, not the literal kitty/child variety.
by the way the eve comunity is acting you could have fooled me.
honestly guys... i am not even remotely upset about it... and i think you all need some time to cool off...
if this by any way inhibited my ability to log in to the game and blow up internet space ships... sure i would be with you... but in now way shape or form does this affect anyone. the only people who would have any right to be upset are those who one the ships back in fanfest.
thats it.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:22:00 -
[463] - Quote
I don't get why people keep saying Coors is "just a corporation." They sponsor community events like concerts, they give out signs to people, and they even support political candidates to represent the community! What nice people! And don't they deserve help too?
Seriously the idea of Sommer being a "community service" is idiocy, and this event (just like the past event) is revealing how dumb some of the CSM is. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:23:00 -
[464] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Good thing we elected CSM members like Trebor to defend CCP against the demands of their paying customers no matter what, and to be really snarky about it, too.
ping myannna to go yell at him in skype then... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
628
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:26:00 -
[465] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:I don't get why people keep saying Coors is "just a corporation." They sponsor community events like concerts, they give out signs to people, and they even support political candidates to represent the community! What nice people! And don't they deserve help too?
Seriously the idea of Sommer being a "community service" is idiocy, and this event (just like the past event) is revealing how dumb some of the CSM is.
Well in murica Coors is considered an individual.
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Loki Feiht
Feiht Family Clan
128
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:27:00 -
[466] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:bloodknight2 wrote:So...
14b for a ship 14bb/580m = 24 months of plex. How nice from CCP giving 2 years free to some players. ok like when mittenz won all those plex for his epic story of disbanding BOB?
yeah... i thought it was an ex bob director who did that ? More NPC - Randomly Generated Modular Content-áthread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220858 |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
169
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:28:00 -
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:29:00 -
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They simply should not be doing this, by giving people free stuff, they are ruining the ideal where you can achieve what ever you want with difficulty. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
66
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:31:00 -
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The fight of the Year is starting in a few minutes. If it is over, I want to read 3 pages more. Better hurry, Povetkin goes KO in round 2. ;) |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1556
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:33:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Good thing we elected CSM members like Trebor to defend CCP against the demands of their paying customers no matter what, and to be really snarky about it, too.
Trebor, our valiant protector, only he can protect us. Oh Trebor, DO something.
Or you can continue to be a worthless politician. CCP Navagiator AKA CCP T20 |
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Baggo Hammers
128
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:37:00 -
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While this whole debacle is incredibly lame and naive on CCP's part, I have more important stuff to worry about. Game is starting to pander to mouth-breathers anyway. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
578
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:39:00 -
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Can I get a titan CCP? Or something worth 120b or so? I'll certainly be creating content with it. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:48:00 -
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(Dunno why they closed the Jita Park thread)
If you feel the need to hide an award you don't deserve the reward. Either Somer is trying to make CCP look as bad as they possibly can or the whole mess is simply wrong from the start.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
163
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:00:00 -
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Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote:Abditus Cularius wrote:So literally nobody is going to point out that the entire staff of SCL got these? Probably BIG and EOH too? Please proof your claims. And if they are true, it got worse, not better.
EOH Poker has not received special items like this, nor have we been offered them.
We're all a bit disappointed with CCP, since although we aren't as popular, we've been around for twice as long as blink, and had actually agreed to help out with holding ISK for EVE Vegas' poker tournament after being asked by the organizer, Zapawork. He avoided contact with us for months after initially agreeing though, I'd guess because the CCP-endorsed sponsor was preferable, so we weren't able to help out.
We'll continue to sponsor as many player organized EVE events and competitions as we're able to, as we always have. If you're considering running one, get in touch!
<3
Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
391
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:03:00 -
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I'm out ganking miners, training new bros in the life, creating content in game and out, every day of my Eve life. Can I get a little largess over here? Nothing fancy. That scorpion sounds nice. I could really use a large faction tower or 3; the dominion one. Feel free to send them to this account. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16768
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:09:00 -
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BtwGǪ how much are a Sabre, a Malediction, and 6+ù T2 ammo BPOs actually worth these days? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:11:00 -
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Damm, this would have been a great term to be a CSM, finally a juicy scandal!!
So I'm going on the record as saying I totally support CCP doing anything they want as it is their game! It is absolutely for them to decide to make bad decisions and alienate their player base with ridiculous favoritism to for profits suspected of RMT organizations with other space games on the horizon. In fact I applaud their bravery in doing what ever they want despite the likely negative long term destruction of player trust.
You go CCP!! In our faces we stupid subscribers!!
I mean they really don't need us anymore, what with Dust and a vampire game surely to launch in the next decade just in time to excite the 7 people that are still committed to vampire fandom! CCP, suggestion, start working on a Breaking Bad based game to launch in 10 years and maybe a Zombie game after that. Have you considered the Gilligan's Island franchise?
Wow, I mean simple wow, actually for some maybe WoW or some other way to spend their online dollars and time...
Issler |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
663
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:11:00 -
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Quote:GÇ£We have a visceral reaction to the idea that anyone would make very much money helping other people. Interesting that we don't have a visceral reaction to the notion that people would make a lot of money NOT helping other people.GÇ¥ - D Pallota
Try to cut through all of this and get down to the bottom truths.
1) I would like CCP to make a statement confirming or denying from their side the allegations
2) Depending on how (1) goes then I would like their view of what happened and why. Why the secrecy and why SOMER was chosen.
3) I don't know if an accounting of all the recipients of CCP largesse should be given out but above a certain isk value, probably.
4) all of the above is my opinion, not some CSM statement but one representatives thoughts
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
142
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:11:00 -
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STOP DEVALUING MY ******* STOCK YOU IDIOTS! |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:11:00 -
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Should someone want some presents but doesnt get them and is mad enough to leave EVE because of that...your stuff would be managed well by me in the next time. |
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Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
210
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:15:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:This still continues to not bother me much. I do not view "Sombergate" and the T20 scandal as being one in the same. One is a third party entity that provides a gambling service to the Eve community and is being rewarded with CCP spawned items, while the other was a CCP employee who was providing his alt player alliance with CCP spawned items
And if a CCP employee had an alt in Somer - would you know it? That's why you NEVER EVER do such bullcrap as favouring one entity ingame! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:15:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:Should someone want some presents but doesnt get them and is mad enough to leave EVE because of that...your stuff would be managed well by me in the next time.
This joke isn't any less dumb than it was a decade ago. Just FYI.
But man, it sure would be great to think every tired catchphrase was new and original. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:18:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:Should someone want some presents but doesnt get them and is mad enough to leave EVE because of that...your stuff would be managed well by me in the next time. This joke isn't any less dumb than it was a decade ago. Just FYI. But man, it sure would be great to think every tired catchphrase was new and original.
What makes you think I am joking? I am very concerned about the wellbeing of your stuff. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:18:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:Dalto Bane wrote:This still continues to not bother me much. I do not view "Sombergate" and the T20 scandal as being one in the same. One is a third party entity that provides a gambling service to the Eve community and is being rewarded with CCP spawned items, while the other was a CCP employee who was providing his alt player alliance with CCP spawned items And if a CCP employee had an alt in Somer - would you know it? That's why you NEVER EVER do such bullcrap as favouring one entity ingame!
Which is why IA needs to be on this, if they aren't already.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1185
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:21:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:And if a CCP employee had an alt in Somer - would you know it? That's why you NEVER EVER do such bullcrap as favouring one entity ingame! It wouldn't surprise me. At least this would all make sense, more than just "here have half a trillion ISK worth of swag, but tell nobody!" The responsible could be commissared, CCP as a company could save face. |
Demon Azrakel
Ouran Host Club
89
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:22:00 -
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CCP is incapable of learning from their mistakes. This **** keeps happening.
And let me guess, the CSM was not informed? |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:25:00 -
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As my thread has been locked and "All discussion of the CCP/Somer B.L.I.N.K. issue is being directed to this thread.", I'll repost my thread here :-
SomerGate - Questions.
Dear CCP,
-How does it work that a 3rd party entity can sponser a live event? -Where is that financial support coming from?
-Was Somer actually audited by CCP to see if they are trustworthy? -How was it done and by whom?
-Why should your customers register themselves in a 3rd party site, just to gain a chance to win Eve stuff? -Why should unique items be spawned and be won by auction, instead of being earned?
-Why was Somer chosen in particular, and by whom? -Why was Somer favoured over other sites? -Why was a "for profit" gambling site chosen? -Why wasn't a "fan site" not used? -Why did you do this at all?
[quote] Andski wrote: -How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?
-By the time CCP had decided to change the prizes, ( of the LV event ), were the original rare ships already given to Somer, and if they were, were they returned, ( given/taken back ), to CCP?
Edit 06/10/2013 ( well, where I'm at anyway ) -Have Somer ever been given stuff / isk simply out of CCP's goodwill?( It seems that they have most definately done so. ). -CCP, do you want to turn Eve into "Pay To Win"?
-What about the allegations/accusations of Somer RMT? -Does CCP have double standards? -CCP, can we ever trust you?
-Is Somer a scam? ( IMHO, I believe it is )
These are just some of my concerns over this issue, ( it is an issue ).
CCP, please do not stay silent for too long about this. Please restore some faith back to your customers, cause you simply have messed up, again!
Why CCP, why?
No matter how much of a cash cow Somer is to CCP, this blatant favouritism is unfair and disgusting. Please CCP, stop hurting your reputation and Eve. Stop favouring Somer. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:25:00 -
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Always exceptionally nice to see CCP tell players that it's not the actions in game that matter, it's not the fighting, spying, drama and everything else that makes EVE such a great game that matters. It's the running lottery for crazy profits. Why the hell did CFC fight the huge fountain, delve, querious and PB war when we could have just sucked up to CCP and gotten rewards that are worth more than all the moons in that space.
The whole appeal of EVE is that ones actions in game matter. That everything you have you have to fight for in game. I guess that CCP showed us just how much all that means. Not a damn thing. Of all the entities in EVE they pick a lottery to shower with mad isk. Had it been Chriba, EVEmon developers, EFT developers or even EVEUni but no, it's a damn lottery that is already making crazy isk for it's owner.
After all this I wonder what exactly is the reason for all of us to pay every month (one way or the other) and fight in game when CCP apparently feels that they can ignore all those achievements in game and shower random party with free isk. This is far worse than T20 scandal as bob was at least creating content in game instead of being a parasitic lottery with good PR and even better contacts to CCP devs.
PS: thanks CCP for negating all player accomplishments in game in such a bold way. Ballsy. I hope it bites you in the ass as you deserve! |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
375
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:25:00 -
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i got me obamascorpion errybody vote for obama got an obamascorpion |
Ziphis
Saved Before Death Industries
37
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:31:00 -
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Hey,
Can I get a Megathron Federate issue i dont work for any sites i just wanna take it out and get shot it xD Say NO to CCP-EA. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4694
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:32:00 -
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Axhind wrote:Always exceptionally nice to see CCP tell players that it's not the actions in game that matter, it's not the fighting, spying, drama and everything else that makes EVE such a great game that matters. It's the running lottery for crazy profits. Why the hell did CFC fight the huge fountain, delve, querious and PB war when we could have just sucked up to CCP and gotten rewards that are worth more than all the moons in that space.
The whole appeal of EVE is that ones actions in game matter. That everything you have you have to fight for in game. I guess that CCP showed us just how much all that means. Not a damn thing. Of all the entities in EVE they pick a lottery to shower with mad isk. Had it been Chriba, EVEmon developers, EFT developers or even EVEUni but no, it's a damn lottery that is already making crazy isk for it's owner.
After all this I wonder what exactly is the reason for all of us to pay every month (one way or the other) and fight in game when CCP apparently feels that they can ignore all those achievements in game and shower random party with free isk. This is far worse than T20 scandal as bob was at least creating content in game instead of being a parasitic lottery with good PR and even better contacts to CCP devs.
PS: thanks CCP for negating all player accomplishments in game in such a bold way. Ballsy. I hope it bites you in the ass as you deserve! convert themittanidotcom into a gtcselling center clearly
must sell more stuff for ccp There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: convert themittanidotcom into a gtcselling center clearly
must sell more stuff for ccp
Thank you for mining in an interdiction zone/piloting a freighter afk/flying into our space/being someone we're at war with Prior to your imminent destruction, purchase of a GTC through http://themittani.com/ will allow you to retain your ship.
You may rent systems in our space for a reasonable amount of GTC purchases per month, please refer to www.goonGTCrentals.com for details.
We take our responsibility as authorised GTC sellers seriously
(I shouldn't have to say this is not a serious post, but given this is Eve-O I probably should). |
jackncoke
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
54
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:48:00 -
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It seems CCP is once again going through old paths of fail ...
First EVE employee gave T2 BPO to BOB.
It takes years to recuperate from that fail.
Then they decide to go full re*ard and make WiS abortion go live with NEX gate affair . Monocles become a "thing" , Hillmar makes a public apology, CCP gets on their knees and says one loud - WE ARE SORRY FOR BEING RET*RDS.
And all is good in land of EVE. Players have fun in what seems to be a sandbox, but was never one.
What do you mean its not sandbox ?
Well CCP decides to give out free stuff via SOMER Blink, stuff that can be transfered to cold hard ISK. But even thats not enough, they decide to give out rare ships to employees of third party gambling service that happened to be players them self.
Its like CCP hates their community and decides to go full mental jacket every now and then, spit in paying customers eye and say - FU PEASENT, THESE GUYS ARE AWSOME, YOUR A MAGGOT. NOW GO SELL PLEX TO FINANCE YOUR SHIP LOSSES.
Well Fu*k you too CCP |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
36
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:49:00 -
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At the end of the day, CCP can do what they want with their game...saying that:
GÇ£Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship, 30 of them appearing all at once would be weird,GÇ¥ writes Mahm, GÇ£This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn't directly map to anything they have done in the past, and we don't want to mess up that future relationship-- Navigator has already offered to help promote our events in the future.GÇ¥
This comment in the Somer Blink mail, proves that:
1. Either Somer knew it could cause a backlash within the player base... or 2. They were told by CCP to keep it quiet, because they knew it would cause a backlash.
There is no doubt Somer Blink supports many things within the community, but so do many other people and entities. Somer Blink was not initially created, to support EVE based events, it was made to create isk...eventually having the isk to support various events is a side effect. A beneficial side effect, because it acts as advertising, that can generate even more isk.
It is quite obvious CCP's "idea" of a community site is a lot different to mine. I take it a great community site in CCP's view, is a site that creates a vast amount of ISK and Plex revenue...and not a site that actually provides the player base with valuable help and information.
For me, the sites ran by Chribba are TRUE community sites. These sites are run with an altruistic vision...no isk is asked for to gain access to the info and are in no way, an in-game business. But this goes for many fan based sites or apps, be it EFT, EVEMON etc, etc.
There is only one reason, CCP gave SOMER Blink these ships - because they are a huge real world money earner for CCP!!
Hmmm, it just also occurred to me, would the owner of a TRUE community site, put their own personal monetary (in-game or out of game) gain above that of the community? No they probably wouldn't! It seems SOMER and CCP are as bad as each other "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
173
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:50:00 -
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So ISK/Endorsements flow from CCP to BLINK.
From BLINK ISK and PLEX flow to their 'employees'.
ISK and PLEX have real world value.
So all these folks being paid plex, do they pay taxes on them? In the US, I think that would depend on the total cash value of material received. But you do indeed pay taxes on the cash value of prizes and goods in kind.
Where is BLINK based? In the US? Given the total cash value of the prizes they handle, I wonder what their tax obligation is? |
Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:51:00 -
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Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
562
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:01:00 -
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Alt Rotsuda wrote:Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE.
gosh maybe there's something different about this particular situation but oh well thinking requires effort so yeah just keep posting bro |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
174
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:02:00 -
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Alt Rotsuda wrote:Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE.
You misunderstand. No one has an issue with CCP giving gifts directly to players. They should do this, it is using a third party site, who's purpose is to make a profit for themselves to do this. CCP should absolutely give away things, run raffles, etc., but it should do so independent of Somer.
The more I mention this to people, the more I have heard of special ships and give aways being handed to Somer to "give out". I am not sure if any of them are valid, but I'd like to know.
Anyway, prizes should flow from CCP to the players without directly endorsing or rewarding an in-game profit making entity in the process.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Alt Rotsuda wrote:Holy ****, I better dont tell anyone how many billion ISK have been indirectly been given out at this years gamescom in form of faction rookie frigates. That would totally get everyone mad.
Oh no, it wouldn-¦t, just like buying PLEX isnt seen as pay to win, because ISK dont make you win EVE.
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE. gosh maybe there's something different about this particular situation but oh well thinking requires effort so yeah just keep posting bro
Yeah, Johnny summed it up better. |
Seras VictoriaX
Relentless Grind
18
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:02:00 -
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Sorry
# TOS changes
# Sponsoring blink period
# Now just directly giving them 100's of billions worth of ships.(that they dont have to give out to the public)
-6 accounts. I thought this game was different. No you cant have my stuff. (been playing 11months!)
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1327
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:03:00 -
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So ccp is now going to give everyone an Obama scorp on nov 19... cuss thats the only way to get the publords to shut up There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4694
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:04:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:The point is they are dealing in a huge amount of cash value prizes, and no one trusts that CCP can be sure that the EULA is never violated along the way.
Because of this, CCP should be avoiding BLINK like the plague. In fact, a prudent business would have issued a statement some time ago saying something along these lines of them not being able to endorse nor vouch for third party internet sites that promote gambling and/or investing with in game currency. The transactions involved are simply of a nature that they are unable to 100% vouch for their integrity and business practices. I thought ccp confirmed that somer was like ... 100% honest There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:08:00 -
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I thought ccp was 100% honest |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
38
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:12:00 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I thought ccp was 100% honest
They also said that they would be totally transparent from now on....a couple of years ago. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:13:00 -
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Alt Rotsuda wrote:
Oh, but here people have a 20+ threadnought because someone got ISK by CCP and has now won EVE.
I really shouldn't bite but responding to the crazies is a personal weakness of mine.
Try actually reading this thread, there are a lot of very cogent points put forwards which explain why CCP's actions are bad for the game, unethical and open for debate.
Or, of course, you could be all internet hero and make your offhand 'cooler than you' posts without considering that as in the past, with Incarna and T20, CCP is doing material damage to their brand.
CCP has gained positive press from events such as 6VDTH, Asakai, Burn Jita
CCP has gained negative press events such as T20 & Incarna
This event, as a followup to CCP's publicly known dispensing of ludicrous amounts of valuable stuff to Somer has already caused negative press. There's a not inconsiderable chance that this is going to spread and grow traction in the gaming media. CCP: unethical. CCP: Dev favouritism, CCP: insert your phrase here.
As with the ToS changes, the concern being shown throughout this thread, the reason for the article and all of the words written attacking CCP for their decisions are done because people care about game (terrible though it is). Goons have a lot of history with CCP bias (directed towards our enemies), maybe there's more of a kneejerk towards it than with most other alliances, but that kneejerk is done because CCP has a history of being biased. It has a history of terrible PR decisions, of interfering in its own sandbox and disregarding the views of its players.
That's why the CSM was formed, with great fanfare and pronouncements on how progressive CCP were doing at the time.
So now where are we?
ToS changes: No consultation with the CSM, slipped in by stealth Somer Blink prizes: No consultation with the CSM, not announced by CCP until a thredanaught started Somer Blink freebies: No consultation with the CSM, recipients told to keep it secret.
From conversations with CSM members, from their blogs and comments it's obvious that they feel passionately about the bits of the game they get to be involved in, but CCP is shutting them out of the bits of the game where it's acting in an unethical fashion. They're deliberately avoiding raising the issues they should be discussing, those issues that go back to the very founding of the CSM. Developer bias.
As for your glib off-hand, internet cool comment, this isn't about people 'winning eve' because of their freebies from CCP, it's about CCP being biased and showing favouritism to a particular player corporation on more than one occasion. It's about them being secretive about it. It's about them giving an unprecedented level of support to a gambling site that exists to benefit its owners and employees.
But if you truly don't care about that, if you really do not care that CCP will happily cheat their own game, then simply stop reading the threads where they're being brought to task for doing so, and get back to complaining about falcon, or warp stabs in FW or whatever it is you do care about. |
Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:19:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote: Anyway, prizes should flow from CCP to the players without directly endorsing or rewarding an in-game profit making entity in the process.
CCP has always endorsed in-game profit making entities. Everyone of us is an in-game profit making entity. CCP has always advertised in-game profit making entities. Everyone of us is an in-game profit making entitiy. People ask "What if SOMER uses the ISK to hurt some big nullsec entity?" Why did you never ask if someone that got several billions on the gamescom will hurt some nullsec entity?
Noone cried till now.
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Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:20:00 -
[506] - Quote
Hell, I applied to Somer blah blah blah Corp today! Taking and counting other people's ISK while getting paid in ISK, PLEX AND limited edition ships, all funded and sanctioned by the supposedly impartial developers of the game? Sign me up! I wish real-life work were this stupidly profitable! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4695
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:21:00 -
[507] - Quote
Naradius wrote:Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I thought ccp was 100% honest They also said that they would be totally transparent from now on....a couple of years ago. Oooo snap.
Quality posting here guys There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
HugeMidget Tokila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:22:00 -
[508] - Quote
This entire affair is beyond outrageous and violates any trust the playerbase has left in CCP. Not only should the responsible CCP employee be disciplined, the entirety of the Somer Blink organization should be banned and all assets destroyed. Nothing less than that would even come close in making restoration for this colossal **** up. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
536
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:23:00 -
[509] - Quote
Now this is a threadnaught.
I bet it never crossed their minds when they gave away the ships of what possibly could go wrong. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4695
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:23:00 -
[510] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Hell, I applied to Somer blah blah blah Corp today! Taking and counting other people's ISK while getting paid in ISK, PLEX AND limited edition ships, all funded and sanctioned by the supposedly impartial developers of the game? Sign me up! I wish real-life work were this stupidly profitable! They're partial to somer, so you're in good hands.
Please sign an NDA to avoid leaks in the future tia There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16776
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:24:00 -
[511] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:People ask "What if SOMER uses the ISK to hurt some big nullsec entity?" No, they don't.
Quote:Why did you never ask if someone that got several billions on the gamescom will hurt some nullsec entity? Because it's not relevant. What matters is that a single entity was hand-picked by a dev to receive special hand-outs in secret and without any adequate reason or reasoning.
Quote:Noone cried till now. Yes they did. They cried so much that CCP had to institute an internal affairs division and the CSM. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:25:00 -
[512] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Now this is a threadnaught.
I bet it never crossed their minds when they gave away the ships of what possibly could go wrong.
And therein lies the problem. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:26:00 -
[513] - Quote
Quote:Sorry
# TOS changes
# Sponsoring blink period
# Now just directly giving them 100's of billions worth of ships.(that they dont have to give out to the public)
-1 account. I thought this game was different. No you cant have my stuff. (BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY STUFF)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4698
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:27:00 -
[514] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Now this is a threadnaught.
I bet it never crossed their minds when they gave away the ships of what possibly could go wrong. And therein lies the problem. Next time they need to double down on the whole "don't tell anyone, guys" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4698
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:28:00 -
[515] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Now this is a threadnaught.
I bet it never crossed their minds when they gave away the ships of what possibly could go wrong. And therein lies the problem. They couldn't keep it in their favored corp? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
571
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:34:00 -
[516] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:Argus Sorn wrote: Anyway, prizes should flow from CCP to the players without directly endorsing or rewarding an in-game profit making entity in the process.
CCP has always endorsed in-game profit making entities. Everyone of us is an in-game profit making entity. CCP has always advertised in-game profit making entities. Everyone of us is an in-game profit making entitiy. People ask "What if SOMER uses the ISK to hurt some big nullsec entity?" Why did you never ask if someone that got several billions on the gamescom will hurt some nullsec entity? Noone cried till now.
Sigh. I don't think you're tall enough for this ride.
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Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:35:00 -
[517] - Quote
[quote=Tippia]Because it's not relevant. What matters is that a single entity was hand-picked by a dev to receive special hand-outs in secret and without any adequate reason or reasoning. [quote]
No adequate reason? Its the same reason they had for every other gift they gave to a community service. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16780
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:38:00 -
[518] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:No adequate reason? Yes. No adequate reason.
GÇ£Because a dev likes themGÇ¥ is so far from qualifying as an adequate reason that it defies description in any language known to man. Other reasons should sue for defamation for being mentioned in the same sentence. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
574
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:39:00 -
[519] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:
No adequate reason? Its the same reason they had for every other gift they gave to a community service.
Are you having trouble seeing the screen?
Because you keep missing the point. |
Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:40:00 -
[520] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Alt Rotsuda wrote:No adequate reason? Yes. No adequate reason. GÇ£Because a dev likes themGÇ¥ is so far from qualifying as an adequate reason that it defies description in any known language.
Like I said, the reason was "SOMER is a community service" not "meh, me likes them" |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4699
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:41:00 -
[521] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Alt Rotsuda wrote:No adequate reason? Yes. No adequate reason. GÇ£Because a dev likes themGÇ¥ is so far from qualifying as an adequate reason that it defies description in any language known to man. Other reasons should sue for defamation for being mentioned in the same sentence. why not
do you make a habit of arguing with god There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:41:00 -
[522] - Quote
I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
922
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:44:00 -
[523] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:Tippia wrote:Alt Rotsuda wrote:No adequate reason? Yes. No adequate reason. GÇ£Because a dev likes themGÇ¥ is so far from qualifying as an adequate reason that it defies description in any known language. Like I said, the reason was "SOMER is a community service" not "meh, me likes them"
You are definitely a member of the two digit IQ club. The Tears Must Flow |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16780
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:45:00 -
[524] - Quote
Alt Rotsuda wrote:Like I said, the reason was "SOMER is a community service" not "meh, me likes them" You've got it the wrong way around.
If they had gotten it for being a community service, then none of this hubub would have happened since we would have known about this from the hundreds of other community services that had been rewarded before them. But that's not what has happened. Instead, a misguided dev has singled them out as worthy of reward, without any rhyme or reason. He's done so under a veil of secrecy, probably knowing what a bad idea it was. The gambling site in question knows it was a bad idea so they asked people to try to keep it hidden.
Unlike the previous somer fiasco, this was not a gift to the community, but a secret hand-out to a single entity above and beyond what they had already gotten as part of their community efforts (and picking them for that was a spectacularly bad idea as well, as we've already seen). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alt Rotsuda
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:45:00 -
[525] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way...
This is absolutely true though, if this pisses you off so much that you want it to definately change, the best way is to let your wallet talk.
The last time, after Incarna, I did the same. It is importand though, that enough people do it. This time, I will not do it. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
574
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:45:00 -
[526] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way...
Well, I actually renewed for three months a few hours before the TMC article hit, and since I don't give a **** about this game anymore I'm just going to shitpost the hell out of these forums for the next three months because I don't give a fuc |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
219
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:53:00 -
[527] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: I don't give a **** about this game anymore I'm just going to shitpost the hell out of these forums
We're anxiously awaiting what part of this will be different from your norm.
Or is mittens no longer telling you to do it and you're just volunteering? Is that the change?
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:53:00 -
[528] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: But we need you for when progodlegend is recognized for his contributions to eve online with a supercapital fleet (only some trillions worth spawned into the game) and comes to vfk
If it comes to that, ping me on jabber and I'll log in to rat in ju- with the rest of theta. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4701
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:55:00 -
[529] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: I don't give a **** about this game anymore I'm just going to shitpost the hell out of these forums We're anxiously awaiting what part of this will be different from your norm. Or is mittens no longer telling you to do it and you're just volunteering? Is that the change? He doesn't have to tell us every detail.
We can tell that posting when there's drama is fun and rewarding. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
32
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:56:00 -
[530] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Seriously - following CCPs logic, Anhesuer-Busch should get a nobel price for sponsoring the superbowl. God itself should descend and give them things impossible for humanity to recreate, you mean
That would explain some Peace Prize selections. |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
2322
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:57:00 -
[531] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Seriously - following CCPs logic, Anhesuer-Busch should get a nobel price for sponsoring the superbowl. God itself should descend and give them things impossible for humanity to recreate, you mean
I stand corrected. You know... morons. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 21:57:00 -
[532] - Quote
My favorite dumb pubbie myth about goons is, and always will be, that someone needs to tell us to post. |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
291
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:00:00 -
[533] - Quote
X up for free Ish Scorps in this thread guys!
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sally Deninard
mss industry
49
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:03:00 -
[534] - Quote
x
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:09:00 -
[535] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:My favorite dumb pubbie myth about goons is, and always will be, that someone needs to tell us to post. Yeah. I wonder how that came about There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
9
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:10:00 -
[536] - Quote
X |
fastmine
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:10:00 -
[537] - Quote
haven;t you figured it out by now. ccp is fine to break all their rules as they deem fit. its the users who get punished for it. it's called double standards.
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:12:00 -
[538] - Quote
That isn't the spirit of eve. |
Livonia Velorea
Banana Corp
4
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:13:00 -
[539] - Quote
All this comes across to me with the very same feeling I get when anything pay to win is mentioned. I know this is totally different but it gives me those same bad feelings inside regardless. If you know that the community as a whole wouldn't like something if it got out, you can be pretty sure that you probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Needless to say it's all a little disappointing to read and even more disheartening. My character is 18 months old now and although I don't focus all my game time into trying to make isk, I haven't made anything like what is mentioned here. It's clear that all these great community made and run things are fantastic and mean alot to many of us. But I don't see why my interactions with other players is any less important. I have soo many fond memories of things that have happened in EVE, friendships, rivalries, long nights, emotions one shouldn't even get while playing a game. Yet not one website has had anything like the same impact on me....
20:00 - 26:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXYu5oUc0p4&feature=player_detailpage#t=1208 What would he be thinking if all this happened then? CCp should watch it and be humbled. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2224
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:14:00 -
[540] - Quote
How normal people learn:
1) Make mistake 2) Realise mistake 3) Reason not to do it again FIN
How CCP learns: 1) Make mistake 2) Deny mistake 3) Try to block mention of mistake 4) Realise that's not working 5) Deny the mistake ~~officially~~ 6) Re-word denial because it was full of holes 7) errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 8) Realise a crowd has formed with pitch forks and burning torches 9) Promise super much not to make the mistake again 10) Above may or may not include winding back the mistake --small amount of time goes by-- 1a) Make same mistake 2a) Deny mis ...
Wait.
Wait, no that's not learning at all. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:15:00 -
[541] - Quote
Do we have to wait till monday to get a CCP response? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3477
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:16:00 -
[542] - Quote
Maybe this is the final solution for getting rid of the goons?
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
2325
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:18:00 -
[543] - Quote
Mr. Orange wrote:X up for free Ish Scorps in this thread guys!
Probably the only way to solve this terrible mess would be to hand out a free ishukone scorpion issue to everyone, replace the original 81 with a new unique skin of some kind, change grid and PG to 1 and give them the reprocessing value of a single trit whilst fully reimbursing anyone who bought a Somer blink one and deducting the price from the sellers wallet. You know... morons. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
50
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:18:00 -
[544] - Quote
kotaku
[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more."
Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE."
Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community."
It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2232
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:22:00 -
[545] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maybe this is the final solution for getting rid of the goons?
I know you're dumb enough that the only line of reasoning you're able to parse is "Goons are in this thread, therefore I must be against them" but you're being very dumb and should probably, I dunno, try to think.
Or look at everyone else being equally vocal. Pick either. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
923
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:23:00 -
[546] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
That "spokesman" should also be fired. The Tears Must Flow |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16794
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:24:00 -
[547] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community."
It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer It also seems like CCP have completely misread what the actual concern is.
I shouldn't be surprised, reallyGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:24:00 -
[548] - Quote
Customer complaints: less important to CCP than noted gaming trash mag Kotaku.
Unsurprising, if disappointing. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:25:00 -
[549] - Quote
Quote: It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
Are they really this dumb to reply to a 3rd party site before the community? how do people run companies i'll never know, I know that most companies rely on the stupidity of their customers to milk them for profit but I don't think CCP realises you can't do that with kind of playerbase EVE has. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
51
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:26:00 -
[550] - Quote
/grabs popcorn and waits for blue post. |
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Arkenai Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
1982
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:27:00 -
[551] - Quote
Adding my voice to the legion; I am disgusted. Another terrible poster ._. |
Demon Azrakel
Ouran Host Club
96
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:27:00 -
[552] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
Um...it was created to be a gold scorpion bought with Aurum, but CCP got **** all over for that and they are looking for another use for it.
Nevertheless, it has a real isk value and has been given out secretly Somer Blink, which is still favoritism and handing out free, highly valuable items to 3rd party, for-profit (ingame and out of game) services that arguably add much less to the community than most others, and that seem to skirt the edge of RMT.
This also does not act as an excuse for the other items CCP has given Somer Blink to raffle off, again for Somer Blink's profit. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:28:00 -
[553] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
There's a difference between giving them out randomly, such as for lottery giveaways, tourneys, etc., and giving 30 of them to the same corporation. |
Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:32:00 -
[554] - Quote
Also, it only refines to a single trit? Well, sounds like there's no problem here at all then!
Are they just trying to win Chriba back or do they think that's an actual reasonable argument? |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
176
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:33:00 -
[555] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE."
So all what they find to tell us is : yes, we give away some ships to some friends-mafia buddies, but as we plan to flood EVE with such ships, it's not important because finally they'll be worth nothing... They take us for retards or what ? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3293
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:34:00 -
[556] - Quote
I think it's more like
CCP: 1) Make mistake 2) Go to 1) |
sally Deninard
mss industry
51
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:34:00 -
[557] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:Also, it only refines to a single trit? Well, sounds like there's no problem here at all then!
Are they just trying to win Chriba back or do they think that's an actual reasonable argument?
It`s clear they are trying to damage control on a 3rd party site before addressing the problem here. I would expect to see scorps in the post very soon lol |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16799
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:36:00 -
[558] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:Also, it only refines to a single trit? Well, sounds like there's no problem here at all then! The funny part is that this is how they tried to solve the incomplete nature of the NeX, rather than, you know, fixing the NeX.
It also demonstrates that they've now resorted to lying to the gaming media, and that's always a good signGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:40:00 -
[559] - Quote
Tao Dolcino wrote:sally Deninard wrote:The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." So all what they find to tell us is : yes, we give away some ships to some friends-mafia buddies, but as we plan to flood EVE with such ships, it's not important because finally they'll be worth nothing... They take us for retards or what ?
Make Ish Scorps the new Ibis!
Also, I X'ed up a bit ago and I still don't have my Ish Scorp...who dropped the ball on this?!
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
426
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:41:00 -
[560] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maybe this is the final solution for getting rid of the goons?
I can't see how, but I will say that as long as the goons continue to support the sanctity of the sandbox then I too will support their position regarding this important matter, however if they are simply meta gaming their way to rare and priceless stuff then I will not support them and my respect for their organisation (which has never been too high) will hit an all time low. We need a clear statement from the goon leadership that their present position on this is not one of self interest and that they will be happy if no third parties including themselves are given items that do not originate within the game mechanics. The integrity of the sandbox must be preserved at all costs. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Kate stark
300
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:42:00 -
[561] - Quote
so i stopped following the thread for a while but what i can tell is that CCP have basically said [and not even to us] "it's nbd, the scorpion only refines to 1 trit so people don't need to worry about us clearly playing favourites?"
is that about right? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 22:43:00 -
[562] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
Assuming this is valid, it's yet another mealy-mouthed non-answer from CCP on yet another controversy of late.
CCP doesn't explain why they felt the need to give Somer employees who already receive hundreds to billions of isk per month for 'working' for their corp this ship. CCP doesn't explain why they felt the need to lavish their largesse on a player corporation that exists to make money (albeit making $$$ for both CCP and themselves). CCP doesn't explain why this was kept secret CCP ignore the community and merely respond to an out of game website that regurgitated the investigation done by TMC. CCP doesn't explain why they have felt the need to give Somer blink such extensive patronage while denying the same to other organisations within the game.
And the list goes on. D- must do better.
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sally Deninard
mss industry
51
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:43:00 -
[563] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:sally Deninard wrote:The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." So all what they find to tell us is : yes, we give away some ships to some friends-mafia buddies, but as we plan to flood EVE with such ships, it's not important because finally they'll be worth nothing... They take us for retards or what ? Make Ish Scorps the new Ibis! Also, I X'ed up a bit ago and I still don't have my Ish Scorp...who dropped the ball on this?!
I hear Naviga... is the guy to speak to
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Mr M
sebiestor tribe
317
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:45:00 -
[564] - Quote
I wish there wasn't so much drama in the EVE community all the time. I don't care if SOMER Blink got some ships. Congrats to them. But if I get a vote on who to give a couple of ships to next time I say Red Frog, those guys are a great service to the community. I would've shot myself years ago if I had to ferry stuff back and forth to Jita every day.
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sally Deninard
mss industry
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:47:00 -
[565] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:so i stopped following the thread for a while but what i can tell is that CCP have basically said [and not even to us] "it's nbd, the scorpion only refines to 1 trit so people don't need to worry about us clearly playing favourites?"
is that about right?
Kotaku had added a real money value to the ship, so they need to de value it to avoid a complete shitstorm. It`s a PR thing
"it`s not worth anything" "everybody`s gonna get one" etc etc. From a company standpoint it`s a bad place to be. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
433
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:47:00 -
[566] - Quote
Mr M wrote:I wish there wasn't so much drama in the EVE community all the time. I don't care if SOMER Blink got some ships. Congrats to them. But if I get a vote on who to give a couple of ships to next time I say Red Frog, those guys are a great service to the community. I would've shot myself years ago if I had to ferry stuff back and forth to Jita every day.
Off topic - After Rubicon release slows down freighters Red Frog will be out of business for the reason you stated.
On topic - yeah, reward in game content, not out of game profiteering. For example, award to any pilot that has delivered a Red Frog contract a non-tradeable, non-sellable, 1-isk mineral content, "Red Frog" flagged freighter. That would be a reward they deserve. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Kate stark
301
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:48:00 -
[567] - Quote
Mr M wrote:I wish there wasn't so much drama in the EVE community all the time. I don't care if SOMER Blink got some ships. Congrats to them. But if I get a vote on who to give a couple of ships to next time I say Red Frog, those guys are a great service to the community. I would've shot myself years ago if I had to ferry stuff back and forth to Jita every day.
while i agree they do an awesome job, they too do it for profit so even though it's a service they provide it's not exactly a "community service".
then again if CCP were just dishing out medals or irrelevant titles rather than things that had an actual isk value nobody would care. just like nobody gave a **** if you had a blue peter badge as a kid, but they all cared if you had a bit of paper with charles darwin's face on it. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
580
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:49:00 -
[568] - Quote
CCP, Seriously, an Amarr fleet Avatar that refines to 1 trit would be cool with me. I'm still waiting. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Baron vonDoom
Scorn.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:52:00 -
[569] - Quote
CCP, You are officially scornworthy.
The most despicable behaviour I have encountered in 35 years of playing computer games from any gaming company.
Committing the exact same mistake, not once but three times - and then doing it twice within two months.
This is plainly disgusting and I will spread the word. |
Demon Azrakel
Ouran Host Club
96
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:53:00 -
[570] - Quote
Mr M wrote:I wish there wasn't so much drama in the EVE community all the time. I don't care if SOMER Blink got some ships. Congrats to them. But if I get a vote on who to give a couple of ships to next time I say Red Frog, those guys are a great service to the community. I would've shot myself years ago if I had to ferry stuff back and forth to Jita every day.
So why should CCP favor Red Frog and give them free stuff instead of their competitors like PushX?
Do you see the issue here? Blatant CCP favoritism of ingame groups over others, giving them a massive in-game advantage. |
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Kate stark
301
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:54:00 -
[571] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:Kate stark wrote:so i stopped following the thread for a while but what i can tell is that CCP have basically said [and not even to us] "it's nbd, the scorpion only refines to 1 trit so people don't need to worry about us clearly playing favourites?"
is that about right? Kotaku had added a real money value to the ship, so they need to de value it to avoid a complete shitstorm. It`s a PR thing "it`s not worth anything" "everybody`s gonna get one" etc etc. From a company standpoint it`s a bad place to be.
i don't even know how to respond, the action then the "justification" are leaving me at a loss to be honest. mostly the justification though. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
46
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:54:00 -
[572] - Quote
Naradius wrote:Well, after reading the CCP 3rd party site statement, I gained some comfort knowing that in the Ish Scorp, I have finally found a ship just as useless as the Phantasm in my hanger... CCP, I demand reimbursement for my Phantasm (but I would still like to keep it), because every useless ship you have created should be given away.
Actually, I've changed my mind: I would like CCP to swap my Phantasm for an Ish Scorp, because they are both useless hanger ornaments, and it won't matter...right? "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Sir Gankal0t
Of The Night
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:54:00 -
[573] - Quote
I'm infuriated by this !
On the other hand, I'm starting to think that SOMERblink almost deserves the ishukone ships for creating this much delicious, delicious drama. |
Demon Azrakel
Ouran Host Club
96
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:55:00 -
[574] - Quote
Aiwha wrote:CCP, Seriously, an Amarr fleet Avatar that refines to 1 trit would be cool with me. I'm still waiting.
It would be just fine, as long as it was slightly worse than the T1 version.
/s |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1384
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:56:00 -
[575] - Quote
If the leaked email is not a fake, CCP Navigator better be able to live up to his name to navigate through this humdinger of a perfect storm. This is not a signature. |
Kate stark
302
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:58:00 -
[576] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If the leaked email is not a fake, CCP Navigator better be able to live up to his name to navigate through this humdinger of a perfect storm.
it if was fake, they'd have simply said so by now, about 25 pages or more ago.
i doubt something like this hasn't already been brought to their attention. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
597
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:59:00 -
[577] - Quote
Demon Azrakel wrote:Aiwha wrote:CCP, Seriously, an Amarr fleet Avatar that refines to 1 trit would be cool with me. I'm still waiting. It would be just fine, as long as it was slightly worse than the T1 version. /s
While we're on this, please give away a bunch of... let's call them Navy Reserve Ravens. I have an idea that involves a lot of contracts in Jita. I can't explain it in detail here, but trust me, it will create some wonderful content. For me.
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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
22
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:59:00 -
[578] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer Thanks for the link.
It now seems painfully clear that they've opted for the wall of silence with the playerbase. We've made it several weeks into this situation and there has only been one official communication related to Somer and that amounted to "we're changing some stuff slightly, we're gonna do this whether you want us to or not, but we're not going to discuss anything else about it or the decisions underlying it."
Reading that quote from "a CCP representative," it sure does seem like they're telling us to go **** ourselves.
They told us last time that they would no longer listen to what we say, but would instead judge us by what we do. This thread and the ones that preceded it, the monument protests (btw remember when they renamed the monument in honor of the summer of rage? how many of you noticed that they changed the name back to the original?), and the CSM are absolutely irrelevant. Save your breath and your time. There really isn't anything left to talk about. Log off. Just. Log. Off. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:02:00 -
[579] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer Thanks for the link. It now seems painfully clear that they've opted for the wall of silence with the playerbase. We've made it several weeks into this situation and there has only been one official communication related to Somer and that amounted to "we're changing some stuff slightly, we're gonna do this whether you want us to or not, but we're not going to discuss anything else about it or the decisions underlying it." Reading that quote from "a CCP representative," it sure does seem like they're telling us to go **** ourselves. They told us last time that they would no longer listen to what we say, but would instead judge us by what we do. This thread and the ones that preceded it, the monument protests (btw remember when they renamed the monument in honor of the summer of rage? how many of you noticed that they changed the name back to the original?), and the CSM are absolutely irrelevant. Save your breath and your time. There really isn't anything left to talk about. Log off. Just. Log. Off. Yup am gonna throw a big train onto my main and let my alt accs slide i think 07 |
Gul Amarr
Orange County Cruisers
27
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:06:00 -
[580] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote: Reading that quote from "a CCP representative," it sure does seem like they're telling us to go **** ourselves.
Yeah - got the message - unsubbed. |
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
39
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:07:00 -
[581] - Quote
ok, so let me make sure i'm getting this straight...
CCP just said it doesn't matter that they gave out a bunch of 15bil ships, because they're going to make the ships worthless anyways? yeah, that just further reinforces the shady insider trading **** that makes this whole thing corrupt... good ole blink employees had over a month to sell their items quietly on the market, while everyone else thought it was a limited ship with ~90 runs... you guys introduced a full 30 new units, gave them all to one corp, and let them quietly unload at top dollar? and now i'm going to get stuck holding the bag because i was foolish enough to buy one thinking they were actually, you know, limited? well, thanks for shitting all over me. i run 6 paid accounts, is that not enough income from me? maybe you can replace that income with some more plex purchases through somer |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:07:00 -
[582] - Quote
WWWAAAAAA............WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA...........WWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Kate stark
302
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:10:00 -
[583] - Quote
i see, that even after 28 pages, the point still sails above your head. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Thomas Hurt
Yan Jung Clique
150
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:10:00 -
[584] - Quote
Basically this. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:10:00 -
[585] - Quote
Finally someone adds something substantive to the argument!
Seriously, this could all be forgotten if I wake up tomorrow with a unique T3 Khanid battleship called the Castigator in my item hangar. I'd even take Kosa-gator.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
433
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:10:00 -
[586] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:ok, so let me make sure i'm getting this straight... CCP just said it doesn't matter that they gave out a bunch of 15bil ships, because they're going to make the ships worthless anyways? yeah, that just further reinforces the shady insider trading **** that makes this whole thing corrupt... good ole blink employees had over a month to sell their items quietly on the market, while everyone else thought it was a limited ship with ~90 runs... you guys introduced a full 30 new units, gave them all to one corp, and let them quietly unload at top dollar? and now i'm going to get stuck holding the bag because i was foolish enough to buy one thinking they were actually, you know, limited? well, thanks for shitting all over me. i run 6 paid accounts, is that not enough income from me? maybe you can replace that income with some more plex purchases through somer
That is one stinky bag...
My sympathies..
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:13:00 -
[587] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer Thanks for the link. It now seems painfully clear that they've opted for the wall of silence with the playerbase. We've made it several weeks into this situation and there has only been one official communication related to Somer and that amounted to "we're changing some stuff slightly, we're gonna do this whether you want us to or not, but we're not going to discuss anything else about it or the decisions underlying it." Reading that quote from "a CCP representative," it sure does seem like they're telling us to go **** ourselves. They told us last time that they would no longer listen to what we say, but would instead judge us by what we do. This thread and the ones that preceded it, the monument protests (btw remember when they renamed the monument in honor of the summer of rage? how many of you noticed that they changed the name back to the original?), and the CSM are absolutely irrelevant. Save your breath and your time. There really isn't anything left to talk about. Log off. Just. Log. Off. I see op success
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16802
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:13:00 -
[588] - Quote
I suppose they might as well give BoB (or their closest living relative) back their BPOs at this point. Their community contribution has been much larger and it's a much smaller gift. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9242
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:14:00 -
[589] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:We need a clear statement from the goon leadership that their present position on this is not one of self interest and that they will be happy if no third parties including themselves are given items that do not originate within the game mechanics. The integrity of the sandbox must be preserved at all costs.
I don't understand why this somehow revolves around us. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Damsel in Distress
Brave Newbies Inc.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:18:00 -
[590] - Quote
Shame on you CCP, you just lost a new player. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1329
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:19:00 -
[591] - Quote
en-+ti-+tle-+ment noun \--êt-½-t+Öl-m+Önt\ : the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)
: a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Demon Azrakel
Ouran Host Club
96
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:21:00 -
[592] - Quote
Andski wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:We need a clear statement from the goon leadership that their present position on this is not one of self interest and that they will be happy if no third parties including themselves are given items that do not originate within the game mechanics. The integrity of the sandbox must be preserved at all costs. I don't understand why this somehow revolves around us.
The idea that "if Somer gets it, Goons should" that has been put forward (rather rightfully, I feel the same way about Brave Newbies) has some idiots actually believing that goons want something out of it, instead of wanting CCP to revoke what they have given to others and to stop giving **** out to "awesome 3rd party community services". |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9244
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:21:00 -
[593] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:en-+ti-+tle-+ment noun \--êt-½-t+Öl-m+Önt\ : the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)
: a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group
who the **** said anything about entitlement
we're not asking CCP to give us free **** we're asking CCP to stop pouring free **** into their preferred entities while calling this a "sandbox" Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16805
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:23:00 -
[594] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:right cuss tech II gear is worse then its tech I version and refines to 1 trit but atleast it has a better skin... so rage!? A BPO doesn't refine into anything, so it must be infinitely more suitable than the IshuScorps.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1329
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:24:00 -
[595] - Quote
Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:en-+ti-+tle-+ment noun \--êt-½-t+Öl-m+Önt\ : the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)
: a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group who the **** said anything about entitlement we're not asking CCP to give us free **** we're asking CCP to stop pouring free **** into their preferred entities while calling this a "sandbox"
how does a vanity item mess with the sandbox?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
446
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:25:00 -
[596] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16808
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:26:00 -
[597] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item mess with the sandbox? The same way all valuables do.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1329
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:27:00 -
[598] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:right cuss tech II gear is worse then its tech I version and refines to 1 trit but atleast it has a better skin... so rage!? A BPO doesn't refine into anything, so it must be infinitely more suitable than the IshuScorps.
i still dont see how people are upset about this.
honestly
tech II bpo at a time before invention... sure
making me look at a door instead of a station... you betcha
giving out legacy items from eve lore... well ok kinda
making a ship that has no real value and is just a dust collector to give out as prizes and to people who they want to thank for promoting the game...
just dont see the rage on the last one.
the only reason i can see is there is some sort of entitlement issue here.
this is what happens from a generation of every one wins i guess. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16808
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:28:00 -
[599] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote: i still dont see how people are upset about this.
Yes you do. You just like trolling people over it.
No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:29:00 -
[600] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:right cuss tech II gear is worse then its tech I version and refines to 1 trit but atleast it has a better skin... so rage!? A BPO doesn't refine into anything, so it must be infinitely more suitable than the IshuScorps. i still dont see how people are upset about this. honestly tech II bpo at a time before invention... sure making me look at a door instead of a station... you betcha giving out legacy items from eve lore... well ok kinda making a ship that has no real value and is just a dust collector to give out as prizes and to people who they want to thank for promoting the game... just dont see the rage on the last one. the only reason i can see is there is some sort of entitlement issue here. this is what happens from a generation of every one wins i guess.
go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value? |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9246
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:29:00 -
[601] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item worth 15-20b isk given to a group of players in secret mess with the sandbox?
i fixed your post
sit on that for a bit Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Mehrunes666 Dagon
Masari Reborn
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:29:00 -
[602] - Quote
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
#Nuff Said |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1329
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:30:00 -
[603] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item mess with the sandbox? The same way all valuables do.
how does it gain said value?
can it not be bought and sold for any value the owner wants?
as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not deminish as per the supply demand chart?
have you like hedged your wealth in the buying and selling of rareish ships and are now upset that the special scorp could loose value?
still not getting it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
36
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:31:00 -
[604] - Quote
I love NPC corp trolls |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1329
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:32:00 -
[605] - Quote
Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item worth 15-20b isk given to a group of players in secret mess with the sandbox? i fixed your post sit on that for a bit
and why is it selling for 20b?
sit on that one for a while...
was a big assumption that there was only a limited number of ships... and rich niche collectors were willing to pay that much?
tbh the ship only has as much value as one is willing to pay for it...
that is it...
that can be 0 all the way up to infinity.
so no its not 20 billion isk. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
80
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:32:00 -
[606] - Quote
I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." Imiarr's Services: The Standing Correction Agency : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41506 Imiarr Timshae's FREE 3rd Party and Collateral Holding Service : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3297432&#post3297432 |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
36
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:32:00 -
[607] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item worth 15-20b isk given to a group of players in secret mess with the sandbox? i fixed your post sit on that for a bit and why is it selling for 20b? sit on that one for a while... was a big assumption that there was only a limited number of ships... and rich niche collectors were willing to pay that much? tbh the ship only has as much value as one is willing to pay for it... that is it... that can be 0 all the way up to infinity. so no its not 20 billion isk.
So your argument is that nothing has value. good argument. |
MEZZA Creire-Geng
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
15
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:32:00 -
[608] - Quote
eve is my 1st mmo.. from a FPS gamer ive been spending more and more time on eve. but this kinda **** i dont get in FPS... 32 players no bs run and gun, CCP will lose me soon. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9246
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:33:00 -
[609] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not deminish as per the supply demand chart?
not when they're being given away in secret Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1330
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:33:00 -
[610] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote: go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value?
its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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Mehrunes666 Dagon
Masari Reborn
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:34:00 -
[611] - Quote
Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool."
I would like to say that, that is a horrible way to keep customers. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16814
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:34:00 -
[612] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. So you're ok with BoB getting their BPOs back then. After all, they have no value either.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1330
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:35:00 -
[613] - Quote
Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not deminish as per the supply demand chart? not when they're being given away in secret
some will be given in a public forum... some as a special thank you from ccp... its not ccp duty to tell you everytime they want to say thank you.
as i said entitlement. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1330
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:37:00 -
[614] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. So you're ok with BoB getting their BPOs back then. After all, they have no value either.
BPO which is used for production is different then a novelty ship.
though for a good long time tech II close range ammo was a novelty...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2326
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:38:00 -
[615] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:en-+ti-+tle-+ment noun \--êt-½-t+Öl-m+Önt\ : the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)
: a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group
Actually just unblocked you just out of boredom and am amazed at the level of stupidity you deliver.
So what entitles a group running a self-serving gambling site site that never did anything valuable to the game except promoting itself to deserve special privileges?
Disclaimer: whilst I personally have created more content than somer blink without ripping off gambling addicts, (pretty easy - I never created any content just as well, but at least I didn't exploit the braindead for personal wealth in the process), I wouldn't take gamebreaking gifts. You know... morons. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16814
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:38:00 -
[616] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:BPO which is used for production is different then a novelty ship. Not really, no. They have a value based on the same principles.
If handing out half a trillion worth of one is ok in your book, then handing out a quarter trillion worth of the other should be ok as well. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kate stark
303
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:38:00 -
[617] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. So you're ok with BoB getting their BPOs back then. After all, they have no value either. BPO which is used for production is different then a novelty ship. though for a good long time tech II close range ammo was a novelty...
not sure you understand what novelty means. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:40:00 -
[618] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item mess with the sandbox? The same way all valuables do. as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not diminish as per the supply demand chart? they were given away in secret, nobody knew about any additional supply. the recipients had over a month to unload their items quietly while everyone else thought there were only roughly 90 units around. naturally, increasing the number of units by a third would drop the price, but somer leadership advised them to act quietly so they could get sell without drawing any attention, which gave them even more of an advantage by allowing them to get top isk for their ships. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:41:00 -
[619] - Quote
Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." i thought eve was harsh and cold
why is it warmer... wait a sec There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:41:00 -
[620] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote: go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value?
its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. the false assumption might have something to do with the items being given away in secret and permitting somer blink employees to engage in insider trading with said items |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1330
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:41:00 -
[621] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. So you're ok with BoB getting their BPOs back then. After all, they have no value either. BPO which is used for production is different then a novelty ship. though for a good long time tech II close range ammo was a novelty... not sure you understand what novelty means.
what like a small and unusual decoration or toy? which pretty much all the ship is... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2631
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:42:00 -
[622] - Quote
I don't get it. What's the problem here? It's just a skin job and refines into nothing. Who cares?
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention. The latter fundamentally changed the balance of power. The former is a princess dress.
Get over it.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2236
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:42:00 -
[623] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote: go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value?
its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. So basically like everything.
Gotcha. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:42:00 -
[624] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. So you're ok with BoB getting their BPOs back then. After all, they have no value either. Heh. Invention. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Mehrunes666 Dagon
Masari Reborn
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:42:00 -
[625] - Quote
You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:43:00 -
[626] - Quote
Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." I would like to say that, that is a horrible way to keep customers. not customers who seem to be defending them
you lose, ccp wins
perfect victory There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1330
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:43:00 -
[627] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote: go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value?
its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. the false assumption might have something to do with the items being given away in secret and permitting somer blink employees to engage in insider trading with said items
so ccp should have said...
ok guys we have made this ship which is worse the tech I version refines to one Trirt... and we will be giving it away to people who we want to thank for helping promote the game and also at special player events.
now here is a tin foil hat?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1330
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:45:00 -
[628] - Quote
Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out.
and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue...
you are all spoiled brats. IMO There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Mehrunes666 Dagon
Masari Reborn
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:45:00 -
[629] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." I would like to say that, that is a horrible way to keep customers. not customers who seem to be defending them you lose, ccp wins perfect victory
Typical Goon :) |
Mehrunes666 Dagon
Masari Reborn
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:46:00 -
[630] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO
Murica!! |
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Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:47:00 -
[631] - Quote
Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:50:00 -
[632] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not deminish as per the supply demand chart? not when they're being given away in secret some will be given in a public forum... some as a special thank you from ccp... its not ccp duty to tell you everytime they want to say thank you. as i said entitlement.
Some will be given as a prize from a Tournament, a prize well earned that took skill and planning as well as cost to achieve.
Some however, will be given in a shushed voice, behind closed doors, breaking the ideals of the game, giving one side a definitive advantage, and for what? Community service?
No, instead of RVB, Chribba, The EVEmon or EFT developers, nether Goons, nor the major alliances in eve which have defined and molded the community of EVE.
They give it to a corp that runs a lottery. They don't even sort out the community, they just run a business.
CCP haven't just broken the ethics of the game, which is to do what you pretty much want to do. They broke it the wrong way |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2237
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:51:00 -
[633] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO
and you are wondering why people are thinking you're too dumb for this discussion...
you can't parse common rhetorical techniques, such as sarcasm and whimsy. IMO "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16817
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:51:00 -
[634] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Well, in a sense, he's right there. After all, the Scorp is actually worth something whereas the T2 BPO is not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:52:00 -
[635] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Hey CCP, I understand you want to encourage people who do things to benefit the EVE community.....but, you really need to figure out a way to limit the impact that your gifts do to the rest of the game.
I mean, make them account bound, prevent them from being sold/traded/contracted, something like that. You get your nice "good job!" gift, the rest of the community doesn't get pissed when you hand out the equivalent of 30bil ISK.
They don't haz to be sold SOMERBlink offers ISK if you want that instead of your prize xD |
Julius Priscus
157
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:56:00 -
[636] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO
entitlement works more than one way.
if somer blink gets 30 rare ships for just taking advantage of gambling.. then eve uni should get 100's for what they have done over the years
your reasoning is ********. IMO -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:59:00 -
[637] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO and you are wondering why people are thinking you're too dumb for this discussion... you can't parse common rhetorical techniques, such as sarcasm and whimsy. IMO
ah so as I suspected this entire thread is a massive troll by cfc... good job 10/10 guys... talk about about emerging gameplay...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:00:00 -
[638] - Quote
This is nice, keep it up chaps There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:01:00 -
[639] - Quote
Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money.
Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Kate stark
305
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:02:00 -
[640] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:ah so as I suspected this entire thread is a massive troll by cfc... good job 10/10 guys... talk about about emerging gameplay...
at least they took time to understand the issue before they posted. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5937
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:04:00 -
[641] - Quote
CroisisCZ wrote:or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Case closed, now for the bans... I don't see anyone implying favoritism.
I see a whole lot of people explicitly accusing them of it outright. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:04:00 -
[642] - Quote
well if they are equal or even less in efficiency of normal scorpions and refine to 1 trit then there's not really any big deal.. the price of 12 bill is not CCP fault but rather the idiots who are buying it at that price... if the community had stand together ingame they would have put up 1 isk buy order just to **** them up but they deemed a reskin worth of 12 bill for a not that much limited ships |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2326
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:07:00 -
[643] - Quote
Gogela wrote:I
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention. The latter fundamentally changed the balance of power. The former is a princess dress.
Get over it.
No - you really can't - a T2 BPO having been given out to a single entity is unheard of, meaning there is a limitless supply of the product from various entities which provides competition.
Giving out unique ships (which are speculation objects) to rmt-laundring parasites like Somer is not even the same league as T20.
It's just so much worse... You know... morons. |
Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:09:00 -
[644] - Quote
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it.
You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO.
Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:11:00 -
[645] - Quote
Nobani wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO. Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW. I think you're being trolled.
CCP started it, by saying it was worth "very little" since it refined to 1 trit.
Amusingly, you can't refine titans and supercarriers ... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:12:00 -
[646] - Quote
I'm sorry, I must be missing something, but on this occasion I am struggling to care. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5938
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:12:00 -
[647] - Quote
"You can't put a value on 1400mm artillery. You could use it to shoot an industrial carrying 15 T2 BPOs and make virtually unlimited profit!" My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:13:00 -
[648] - Quote
Nobani wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO. Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW. Clearly soulbind all bpos and special ships There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:18:00 -
[649] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:Gogela wrote:I
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention. The latter fundamentally changed the balance of power. The former is a princess dress.
Get over it. No - you really can't - a T2 BPO having been given out to a single entity is unheard of, meaning there is a limitless supply of the product from various entities which provides competition. Giving out unique ships (which are speculation objects) to rmt-laundring parasites like Somer is not even the same league as T20. It's just so much worse...
welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:18:00 -
[650] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: I think you're being trolled.
This is the thread in which pubbies everywhere try to troll the evil evil goonies, apparently. Fortunately, ISD is on the case and really cracking down on the HAHAHAHAHA |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16818
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:18:00 -
[651] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:and there lies the joke. there is no issue. GǪso (former) BoB should get their BPOs back. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:20:00 -
[652] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:well if they are equal or even less in efficiency of normal scorpions and refine to 1 trit then there's not really any big deal.. the price of 12 bill is not CCP fault but rather the idiots who are buying it at that price... if the community had stand together ingame they would have put up 1 isk buy order just to **** them up but they deemed a reskin worth of 12 bill for a not that much limited ships
The problem is that CCP already knew that these ships were super valuable. At the core of this issue is still the fact that, regardless of their corporate aspirations, the people at SOMER are still players. The supposedly impartial devs/GMs/nerds went into this transaction knowing the value of these ships, knowing the somewhat dubious history of SOMER Blink, and having already entered into a semi-partnership with them over GTCs. At its core, EVE is about the acquisition of ISK, through every player's preferred means. Players will say that it's about PvP, piracy, exploration, or countless other reasons, but all those are a means to an end. By directly aiding other players by giving them extremely valuable in-game property, they altered game mechanics. Whereas other players would have to work just to get enough money to buy that ship, then hope that it increases in value, the players at SOMER essentially received free ISK from officials who have a limitless supply. It's that simple. The programmers helped the players, and that's just wrong. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see. It would be like the commissioner of your favorite sport stepping in and giving certain teams free points every week; it leaves everyone else at a disadvantage. It's making me question why I came back, which is a shame because I really love this game. Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2239
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:22:00 -
[653] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is.
So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right?
Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:24:00 -
[654] - Quote
Nobani wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO. Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW.
The owner of the ship will not have any advantage over other players in the game by using the given item and can not create value based on real profitability of the usage of Ishukone Scorpion. At least the painted Scorpion will not give an advantage over any other user of any other Scorpion in the game.
On the other hand, T2 blueprints have a real value when used. You can calculate the pure profit of using the t2 blueprints by calculating the difference between having to use datacores and invention to just using t2 original and saving time and investment ISK (datacores, POS fuel for creating t1 copies and invention).
This is the difference between a vanity item with purely speculative price and an in-game advantage item. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:27:00 -
[655] - Quote
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:The owner of the ship will not have any advantage over other players in the game by using the given item Pretty sure 20billion ISK being handed to you is 'an advantage'
Try again? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:28:00 -
[656] - Quote
help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:29:00 -
[657] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right? Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart.
actually i would not mind that at all... every goon stuck in a titan.
you guys would quit out of boredom in a week.
and 10 000 is different then 30... silly bee. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:29:00 -
[658] - Quote
Like maybe just google 'vanity' first idk might help "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:30:00 -
[659] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right? Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart. actually i would not mind that at all... every goon stuck in a titan. you guys would quit out of boredom in a week. and 10 000 is different then 30... silly bee. 30 represented their whole 'corp' much like 10k represents us.
Fair is fair.
But since you're now agreeing that we should be given 10,000 titans rather than back down from your stupid position, we can safely assume nothing you say is of any value. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:30:00 -
[660] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be
please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4707
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:31:00 -
[661] - Quote
Gotta love those people standing up for ccp
For your valuable contributions, have a (spawned item here) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:31:00 -
[662] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right? Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart. actually i would not mind that at all... every goon stuck in a titan. you guys would quit out of boredom in a week. and 10 000 is different then 30... silly bee. 30 represented their whole 'corp' much like 10k represents us. Fair is fair. But since you're now agreeing that we should be given 10,000 titans rather than back down from your stupid position, we can safely assume nothing you say is of any value.
your alliance has 10 000 not your corp There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
213
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:32:00 -
[663] - Quote
Came expecting to see CCP digging. Left shellshocked after seeing this. |
Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
35
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:32:00 -
[664] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please.
Wait, I thought they weren't worth anything because they only refined to 1 trit? Why would anyone pay 20b for one? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:32:00 -
[665] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Gotta love those people standing up for ccp
For your valuable contributions, have a (spawned item here)
meh your anger is the only reward i need. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:32:00 -
[666] - Quote
i don't get it there a fancy ship that's worse than its T1 variant, and refines for ****.......From my point of view its the silly and secret way they decided to go about it that is the problem and makes no sense
If they had just turned around and yelled it out that these great fan are being rewarded that would encourage people to make even better ones.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:32:00 -
[667] - Quote
Compare a titan to a battleship.. maybe next compare 30 frigates to 30 titans "IT"S THE SAME THING"
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:33:00 -
[668] - Quote
Nobani wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. Wait, I thought they weren't worth anything because they only refined to 1 trit? Why would anyone pay 20b for one?
BECAUSE THEY ARE MORONS |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:33:00 -
[669] - Quote
Nobani wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. Wait, I thought they weren't worth anything because they only refined to 1 trit? Why would anyone pay 20b for one?
because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
36
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:40:00 -
[670] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Nobani wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. Wait, I thought they weren't worth anything because they only refined to 1 trit? Why would anyone pay 20b for one? because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much. though now we know better and its not... but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion! as if saying number means anything.
Final definitive proof I am not Jonathan Swift. |
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:40:00 -
[671] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:The owner of the ship will not have any advantage over other players in the game by using the given item Pretty sure 20billion ISK being handed to you is 'an advantage' Try again? Please, read what I said: USING the item... with "using" as a key word.
Don't get me wrong, I am against favoritism and think that CCP should have handled this in a different way: Just like they have community spotlight which can as well be maliciously interpreted as an advantage to the entity being in the official spotlight (which, by the way no one sane has anything against), they could have started a public campaign of giving vanity painted Scorpions to entities described in the community spotlight.
That is the only error I see here - every prominent community member deserves the same treatment in an open manner: EveMon, EFT, Dotlan, EDK leaders, Chribba, EOH, EveHQ guys (if they are still in the game)... etc. and yes, including Somer. You'll note that many of those entities make ISK on what they provide as well, so that is not an issue in one specific case of Somer.
And just in case, no, I don't play or like lotteries for ISK or in RL for money, but I do see content provided to those who do play them.
Edit: just remembered some news sites... Whoever runs EVE News24 and The mittani as two primary news and column feed sources are in the prominent community group as well. How would your story be if website tech guys in Goonswarm got the same reward from CCP for running one of the two most informative news sites in EVE? I'm not sure why, but I have a feeling that you wouldn't react in this way. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:41:00 -
[672] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Nobani wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. Wait, I thought they weren't worth anything because they only refined to 1 trit? Why would anyone pay 20b for one? because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much. though now we know better and its not... but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion! as if saying number means anything.
Jesus wept .. you missed that laden-thick sarcasm again.
The entire Eve economy is based on supply and demand, so I honestly struggle to work out how you can't realise that nearly-unique collectables are worth something because of their limited supply.
Also: their current and future ISK value is almost completely irrelevant to the point - one which you are either failing to grasp due to an inability to do so, or are simply trolling.
I would be concerned for you if it turned out to be the former, yet it seems more and more likely with every message where you quote someone and demonstrate you haven't a clue what they're saying. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:45:00 -
[673] - Quote
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:The owner of the ship will not have any advantage over other players in the game by using the given item Pretty sure 20billion ISK being handed to you is 'an advantage' Try again? Please, read what I said: USING the item... with "using" as a key word. Don't get me wrong, I am against favoritism and think that CCP should have handled this in a different way: Just like they have community spotlight which can as well be maliciously interpreted as an advantage to the entity being in the official spotlight (which, by the way no one sane has anything against), they could have started a public campaign of giving vanity painted Scorpions to entities described in the community spotlight. That is the only error I see here - every prominent community member deserves the same treatment in an open manner: EveMon, EFT, Dotlan, EDK leaders, Chribba, EOH, EveHQ guys (if they are still in the game)... etc. and yes, including Somer. You'll note that many of those entities make ISK on what they provide as well, so that is not an issue in one specific case of Somer. And just in case, no, I don't play or like lotteries for ISK or in RL for money, but I do see content provided to those who do play them. Well, yes, I guess. No-one really cares what was given out but that
1) They were given to one group 2) Privately 3) With the CEO getting the impression he needed to keep it quiet
That they're the self-same items that kickstarted the Summer of rage is a kind of dramatic irony that only CCP are insensitive to, and therefore blunder into on a (now) weekly basis. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
eFart
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:47:00 -
[674] - Quote
cpp and homoblink did it right you guys burned a lotta isk in this shit |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4707
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:48:00 -
[675] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:1) They were given to one group 2) Privately 3) With the CEO getting the impression he needed to keep it quiet
That they're the self-same items that kickstarted the Summer of rage is a kind of dramatic irony that only CCP are insensitive to, and therefore blunder into on a (now) weekly basis. It's only because eve online platers are not good enough to accept such things There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:50:00 -
[676] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote: Well, yes, I guess. No-one really cares what was given out but that
1) They were given to one group 2) Privately 3) With the CEO getting the impression he needed to keep it quiet
Yes! Exactly... THAT is the real problem that should be rubbed all over CCP's noses, not the item itself or having the reward program. By all means the reward program can and should exist to drive the community and developers forward, but it MUST be public.
Khanh'rhh wrote: That they're the self-same items that kickstarted the Summer of rage is a kind of dramatic irony that only CCP are insensitive to, and therefore blunder into on a (now) weekly basis.
Well, not exactly... the summer of rage was started because of "Pay to win" items. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
A Research Alt
Perkone Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:50:00 -
[677] - Quote
The secrecy to which Somer aspired about the whole thing speaks volumes about its legitimacy. |
Odaka Narumi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:52:00 -
[678] - Quote
Nobani wrote: Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW.
To be exact, many of them will have been sold before collectors/interested parties were aware there were another 30 on the market. With rare items the value drops with the number available by their reduction in rarity. Because of how this was done, with the gift being done in secret, the employees being told not to make it public, those which were sold before now were done so into a market that believed there were 80-90 or so, not 110-120 of them.
So by keeping it all secret, CCP ensured the resale value for Somer blink employees remained high and wasn't reduced by the public knowledge of their 'gifts'.
Fundamentally though, this is the same problem as them giving Somer blink unprecedented 'gifts' for them to auction off. While they could have just sold them, they still made hundreds of billion of isk in profit because of the increased visits to their site. So CCP essentially gave them prizes knowing that the end result would make Somer blink even more piles of isk because of their largesse. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 00:56:00 -
[679] - Quote
Odaka Narumi wrote:Nobani wrote: Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW.
To be exact, many of them will have been sold before collectors/interested parties were aware there were another 30 on the market. With rare items the value drops with the number available by their reduction in rarity. Because of how this was done, with the gift being done in secret, the employees being told not to make it public, those which were sold before now were done so into a market that believed there were 80-90 or so, not 110-120 of them. So by keeping it all secret, CCP ensured the resale value for Somer blink employees remained high and wasn't reduced by the public knowledge of their 'gifts'. Fundamentally though, this is the same problem as them giving Somer blink unprecedented 'gifts' for them to auction off. While they could have just sold them, they still made hundreds of billion of isk in profit because of the increased visits to their site. So CCP essentially gave them prizes knowing that the end result would make Somer blink even more piles of isk because of their largesse. My point exactly... It's not the item - it's the way it was given that makes problems. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4707
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:00:00 -
[680] - Quote
A Research Alt wrote:The secrecy to which Somer aspired about the whole thing speaks volumes about its legitimacy. Or the inability of eve online players to "deal with it" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6187
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:09:00 -
[681] - Quote
So....when does every Goon get their Intaki Syndicate Catalyst? Havent they done a lot for this game as well?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Julius Priscus
160
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:14:00 -
[682] - Quote
one other thing comes to mind after reading the screen shot of the corp mail... why are somer blink members allowed to use alts to play somer blink gambling??
sorta makes it even MORE dodgy. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4707
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:23:00 -
[683] - Quote
Julius Priscus wrote:one other thing comes to mind after reading the screen shot of the corp mail... why are somer blink members allowed to use alts to play somer blink gambling??
sorta makes it even MORE dodgy. ccp confirmed they are honest, no need to think such things There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
214
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:34:00 -
[684] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything.
See, CCP? This is the customer you will be keeping after the dust settles. People that don't comprehend the simplest ideas of a market. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
376
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:38:00 -
[685] - Quote
Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." I would like to say that, that is a horrible way to keep customers.
doesn't matter if the customers are addicts the dealer can beat up the crackwhore, she'll still keep on coming back for the product they've got a captive market and they know it |
Pretty Maria
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:59:00 -
[686] - Quote
I would like a damnation bpo then. :) just place it in my jita hangar. Also give my alt one please!
Thanks! |
Finarfin
Anomalous Existence
23
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:12:00 -
[687] - Quote
This was a VERY questionable move by CCP and implies that little has been learnt from past failures. I really would like to hear an exlanation on this one. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
37
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:13:00 -
[688] - Quote
I'll resub if CCP give me a Levi. It cant be reprocessed into anything, so it has no in-game value. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
672
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:22:00 -
[689] - Quote
I just want to know why thats all. Not to hard right? i`m not mad just want to know it. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
602
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:29:00 -
[690] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Nobani wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. Wait, I thought they weren't worth anything because they only refined to 1 trit? Why would anyone pay 20b for one? because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much. though now we know better and its not... but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion! as if saying number means anything.
Take a basic economics course when you get to college or at least high school and get back to us. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4709
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:35:00 -
[691] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." I would like to say that, that is a horrible way to keep customers. doesn't matter if the customers are addicts the dealer can beat up the crackwhore, she'll still keep on coming back for the product they've got a captive market and they know it We're... CCP's bitchessssssss?????! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Berendas
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
625
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 02:35:00 -
[692] - Quote
Just when one PR debacle ends, another begins.
Really CCP? Over ten years and you haven't learned how to handle these things yet? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 02:59:00 -
[693] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:MeBiatch wrote:because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything. See, CCP? This is the customer you will be keeping after the dust settles. People that don't comprehend the simplest ideas of a market.
lmao notice hows goons and thier respective alts are the only ones upset here... funny they are like the tea party of eve
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 03:01:00 -
[694] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I would like to say that this is a shocking and unprecedented show of CCP acting moronically.
Sadly it isn't true.
To quote myself during the "$1000 jeans" debacle:
"CCP Says : This is our swimming pool. We are going to **** in the pool. You can stay in the pool or you can get out of the pool. But we are still going to **** in the pool." I would like to say that, that is a horrible way to keep customers. doesn't matter if the customers are addicts the dealer can beat up the crackwhore, she'll still keep on coming back for the product they've got a captive market and they know it We're... CCP's bitchessssssss?????!
Gotta be someones right? WE could do worse we could be be mittens bitches
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
539
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 03:10:00 -
[695] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:MeBiatch wrote:because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything. See, CCP? This is the customer you will be keeping after the dust settles. People that don't comprehend the simplest ideas of a market. lmao notice hows goons and thier respective alts are the only ones upset here... funny they are like the tea party of eve
I don't know. I tend to be one of the more vocal opponents of Tippia and friends, but I would agree that CCP should have not given ships to players in secret.
And I don't think Somer Blink is a good venue to distribute ships either. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Berendas
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
625
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 03:13:00 -
[696] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:MeBiatch wrote:because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything. See, CCP? This is the customer you will be keeping after the dust settles. People that don't comprehend the simplest ideas of a market. lmao notice hows goons and thier respective alts are the only ones upset here... funny they are like the tea party of eve
I'm not a Goon alt, and I hate the crap CCP has been pulling the last few weeks.
One lump, or two? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5943
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:25:00 -
[697] - Quote
Tippia, Chribba, and several people in enemy alliances who object to this move are clearly "[Goons'] respective alts". My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:29:00 -
[698] - Quote
With all the jerking off CCP have been doing over Somer Blink the past couple of months, they should just rename the Rubicon expansion the SOMER expansion and be done with it. It would make a fitting ejaculation. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3299
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:33:00 -
[699] - Quote
I would tell you who's alt I am from Goonswarm, but TOS. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
680
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 03:59:00 -
[700] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia, Chribba, and several people in enemy alliances who object to this move are clearly "[Goons'] respective alts".
There are some folks who attach waaaay too much emotional energy into a corp/alliance tag.
I've heard a few "I don't care what is happening, but if it's pissing off Goons then obviously it's the right move."
Makes me kind of wonder though, do these folks mean ALL Goons on EVE, or just Goonswarm? Plenty of Somethingawful.com forum members around, who don't join the swarm... The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
302
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:00:00 -
[701] - Quote
If CCP is secretly gifting valuables to certain players, it really makes you question the legitimacy of Eve's "sandbox", it's main selling point.
If Eve isn't a sandbox, then it's a WoW themepark. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
219
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:01:00 -
[702] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I've heard a few "I don't care what is happening, but if it's pissing off Goons then obviously it's the right move."
These are people who remember that their stated purpose for playing eve is to ruin the game for everyone else. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4709
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:04:00 -
[703] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia, Chribba, and several people in enemy alliances who object to this move are clearly "[Goons'] respective alts". There are some folks who attach waaaay too much emotional energy into a corp/alliance tag. I've heard a few "I don't care what is happening, but if it's pissing off Goons then obviously it's the right move." Makes me kind of wonder though, do these folks mean ALL Goons on EVE, or just Goonswarm? Plenty of Somethingawful.com forum members around, who don't join the swarm... Well, killing eve would annoy us, so... have at it There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4709
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:05:00 -
[704] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I've heard a few "I don't care what is happening, but if it's pissing off Goons then obviously it's the right move."
These are people who remember that their stated purpose for playing eve is to ruin the game for everyone else. According to progodlegend, the stated reason for N3 to exist is to destroy gsf There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
263
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:09:00 -
[705] - Quote
I payed for a sandbox and all I got was this sand in my box...
The incompetence here is staggering. How are these good old boys villagers still alive in an international market is also staggering.
What also disappoints me in my own species is how dafuqq is a gambling service considered a community service? And no I don't mean CCP's thinly veiled lie but the actual morons posting in this thread.
It's a just business not deserving of favoritism any more than some dumbass building Ravens from the "free minerals" he acquired. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5943
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:12:00 -
[706] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia, Chribba, and several people in enemy alliances who object to this move are clearly "[Goons'] respective alts". There are some folks who attach waaaay too much emotional energy into a corp/alliance tag. I've heard a few "I don't care what is happening, but if it's pissing off Goons then obviously it's the right move." Makes me kind of wonder though, do these folks mean ALL Goons on EVE, or just Goonswarm? Plenty of Somethingawful.com forum members around, who don't join the swarm... Plenty of people in Goonswarm who aren't Goons either, for that matter. At least if you define "Goon" as someone with a SA account. I'm fairly sure that's the definition used in the Swarm, but I'm new so I can't say for sure. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4710
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:20:00 -
[707] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:I would tell you who's alt I am from Goonswarm, but TOS. Oh ho ho, wouldn't want to impersonate now would we.. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
302
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:23:00 -
[708] - Quote
I see a bit of brown on your nose. 450b worth of ISK for you, courtesy of CCP! |
Tore Vest
349
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:28:00 -
[709] - Quote
aaaaa... Goons forum poaster brigade is strong in this thread No troll. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
430
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 04:29:00 -
[710] - Quote
Nothing new here CCP is what CCP does.
I could use one of those ships in my redeem box tomorrow ...just sayin' http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:29:00 -
[711] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:I see a bit of brown on your nose. 450b worth of ISK for you, courtesy of CCP!
!!!! I ain't complaining! |
Tore Vest
349
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:30:00 -
[712] - Quote
Keep on going... You know you get what you want at the end No troll. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
539
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:56:00 -
[713] - Quote
Absolutely unacceptable
This is what the CSM is for, they need to stand up and get CCP to come out with a clear policy to not support one player run organization over another in any way. It's unfortunate that CCP needs to spell this out, but this entire Blink fiasco has shown it's time for action.
At the very least, this process needs to be transparent. Secret gifts? What did CCP think was going to happen when the community finds out?! CCP needs a better promo review process that implements at least a tiny bit of common sense. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4711
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 05:17:00 -
[714] - Quote
mechtech wrote:At the very least, this process needs to be transparent. Secret gifts? What did CCP think was going to happen when the community finds out? Didn't you see the leaked mail? It wasn't supposed to get out. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ustrello
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:22:00 -
[715] - Quote
Greed is good |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
180
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:22:00 -
[716] - Quote
The very fact that Somer sends out mails saying that these gifts should remain secret is proof that this is not the sort of organization CCP should be endorsing and doing business with.
But yet - CCP has labeled that as 100% trustworthy.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4711
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 05:24:00 -
[717] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:The very fact that Somer sends out mails saying that these gifts should remain secret is proof that this is not the sort of organization CCP should be endorsing and doing business with.
But yet - CCP has labeled that as 100% trustworthy. Too bad they couldn't keep their (implicit) promise to not leak this There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1775
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:28:00 -
[718] - Quote
So here is a question:
Has ANYONE AT ALL other than Blink been seen to receive these ships? Right now, due to the utterly nontransparent nature of this giveaway, it really looks like only Somer Blink was given these ships. Other EVE Gambling websites haven't been given it (as mentioned by Niraia earlier in the thread), nor have the owners/operators of hugely more important community sites (as mentioned by Chribba).
Were these ships ONLY given to blink? |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1089
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 05:30:00 -
[719] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So here is a question:
Were these ships ONLY given to blink?
Short answer, no.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1089
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 05:42:00 -
[720] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
Quote:An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels.
So now CCP has dug its heels in and resorted to lying?
Because as far as I can remember that ship was supposed to be a test, to see how many CCP could sell from within the (gold ammo) NEX store as a "NEX store exclusive" item. There was no single hair on their collectives head that where thinking back then, "yeah, lets give these away!"
This whole thing stinks. Bah and indeed how low have you sunk CCP? You've clearly nothing learned from the lessons of the past.
And nope, I'm not a goon, nor a goon alt, nor a pet. Just someone who's slowly getting fed up with this company that seems to excel at falling on its face, over and over again. And they just never seem to learn. |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1775
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:43:00 -
[721] - Quote
Pak Narhoo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So here is a question:
Were these ships ONLY given to blink? Short answer, no.
So who else? Do we know? |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
220
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:02:00 -
[722] - Quote
The entire staff of SCL got them. Almost 100 people at fanfest got them. The poker tourney people got them. CCP have been handing them out like candy for almost a year now.
Goons are only acting all butthurt about Blink getting them because mittens has his hands stuffed up their to work their mouth. |
Drezen Tor
Junk United Corporation Junk Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:04:00 -
[723] - Quote
Sure, Goons are upset over several hundred billion in giveaways. Yeah, that make sense. Nothing to do with the method or the seemingly arbitrary selection or anything. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5945
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:12:00 -
[724] - Quote
"Thank you for running a lottery that's massively profitable to all members of your corporation. Here's some 15 billion isk ships for each member of your corporation." My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
52
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 06:15:00 -
[725] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:MeBiatch wrote:because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything. See, CCP? This is the customer you will be keeping after the dust settles. People that don't comprehend the simplest ideas of a market. lmao notice hows goons and thier respective alts are the only ones upset here... funny they are like the tea party of eve
Are you claiming that I'm a goon alt? I guess that would be against the new TOS ... |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:33:00 -
[726] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So here is a question:
Has ANYONE AT ALL other than Blink been seen to receive these ships? Right now, due to the utterly nontransparent nature of this giveaway, it really looks like only Somer Blink was given these ships. Other EVE Gambling websites haven't been given it (as mentioned by Niraia earlier in the thread), nor have the owners/operators of hugely more important community sites (as mentioned by Chribba).
Were these ships ONLY given to blink?
Other EVE Gambling sites are not nifty enough.
CCP Navigator said so.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
609
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:39:00 -
[727] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:The entire staff of SCL got them. Almost 100 people at fanfest got them. The poker tourney people got them. CCP have been handing them out like candy for almost a year now.
Goons are only acting all butthurt about Blink getting them because mittens has his hands stuffed up their to work their mouth.
So mad about goons! So mad! |
Tarkelan
Konzil der Drei
12
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:48:00 -
[728] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
Well not the best "news" plattform to get information.
Anyway favoritism doesn't benefit the game. Seems CCP is in need of some new guidelines and more than a kind of white paper released to the public about their internal review system, that should prevent such things. I don't see a need for rage and riot if CCP deals the right way with it.
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
184
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:50:00 -
[729] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:The entire staff of SCL got them. Almost 100 people at fanfest got them. The poker tourney people got them. CCP have been handing them out like candy for almost a year now.
Goons are only acting all butthurt about Blink getting them because mittens has his hands stuffed up their to work their mouth.
Honestly, the difference is the for profit nature of the BLINK enterprise. I know that it is not a 'scam' in the classic sense. The provide the payout they promise.
That does not mean that they have the most transparent and equitable of business practices. Nor do I mean to imply that they SHOULD. They are an EVE entity afterall and if they are shilling, skimming, scamming, etc. then it is their right to do so. There is not EVE gambling regulations, nor regulatory body, that makes sure the odds are what they are purported to be. There is no entity that makes sure that the isk generated never ends up in the hands of RMT'ers or other EULA violating folks.
Hell, some of the 'payments' to BLINK employees may be subject to taxes in some countries. I doubt they are being paid. And I know that the prizes being given out in vegas are subject to federal income tax by the winners.
But the point is - not everyone in EVE view BLINK as some benign, we're all in it for the good of eve, super nice guy organization. Their 'hey don't tell anyone you got this' mail just furthers this perception of them as dishonest and secretive. That perception should have been taken into account by CCP before doing business with SomerBLINK.
It is about business ethics, transparency, and avoiding any perception of impropriety.
Giving ships to players who do things that are clear not-for-profit is both right and good. But that's just it - it should go from CCP to player, and not stop off in the hands of some third party profit generating entity. And this now has happened twice, both with these ships and with the vegas auction. Why is SomerBLINK suddenly the official prize distribution arm of CCP? This has started to look like a business relationship between CCP and SomerBLINK and given the lack of trust that a large part of the community has in SomerBLINK, this is a bad idea on CCP's part.
And I think that is all anyone is saying. Don't get into bed with SomerBLINK CCP, they don't represent the interest of the players necessarily. Give out prizes and accolades, but do not blur the line by starting to reward people who are just making an in game profit. Do not get in the business of endorsing in game gambling and/or gambling sites at all.
CCP should stay away from BLINK for the distribution of official prizes (do it themselves) and they should honestly not get involved with endorsing any third party group or site who makes large profits off of the eve community.
Somer is fine. CCP is fine. But let the two stay uninvolved as business partners (which is what they've become). CCP's only role should honestly be the continual monitoring of every transaction of SomerBLINK and the tracking of the isk paid to its employees, alt accounts, etc.. and ensuring that no obvious transgression is occurring. And that's it. They should be on them like hawks, as the room for abuse is always great.
As soon as they start rewarding them with prize granting powers and special ships - then the trust of the players in CCP's ability to monitor them in an unbiased fashion is violated.
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
184
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:00:00 -
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Tarkelan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions Well not the best "news" plattform to get information. Anyway favoritism doesn't benefit the game. Seems CCP is in need of some new guidelines and more than a kind of white paper released to the public about their internal review system, that should prevent such things. I don't see a need for rage and riot if CCP deals the right way with it.
Unfortunately their track record is that they only deal with it when there is rage and riot.
You are right in that the legal/internal auditing folks at CCP should get wind of this and say, "we did what?" They should be asking a lot of questions about who these SomerBLINK guys are and the legal implications of handing them prizes to give out on behalf of CCP that have a value as high as a trip to fanfest (which is taxable in the US by the way).
Not to mention lotteries and prize drawings for such high value prizes in the US are bound by other legal constraints. You can't simply deny people the right to participate on IP address, etc.. It must be open to all and not bound to any purchase and therefore I am not even sure you can require people to be an EVE subscriber.
Why would a legitimate business organization hand its prizes and prize giving authority over to a third party website that is designed to make in game profit and likely operates in a legal gray zone in regards to its payments to employees. This is all uncharted, dangerous territory. Then on the heels of this, they reward the same organization with payment/reward in the form of faction ships.
People do not trust SomerBLINK, and they don't like CCP being so closely tied to them.
Anyone with half a brain for legal/ethical business practices and risk management (i.e. avoiding doing dumb things) would have seen this was a bad idea. Yet they didn't.
So how can anyone expect them to fix it without "rage and riot"
(Sorry for the second post) |
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Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
119
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:00:00 -
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If the ships purpose is to be given to fansites for helping the community then why were they not given out to all at the same time?
So Somer get them when they're still rare and worth a ridiculous amount, and (for example) chribba gets one when they're more common and so not worth so much? That's a really terrible and stupid system.
And why the secrecy? I check the eve forums/site/dev blogs everyday and I didn't know about this.
The whole situation looks like favouritism, as a customer I am disappointed by the way this has been handled. |
Pingu
Cosmos Butt Pirates
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:13:00 -
[732] - Quote
I dont want a statement from CCP-the-company or the normal CCP posters but would like someone from CCP IA to tell me why this is or is not wrong from their perspective.
Gave CCP the benefit of the doubt over other issues, almost quit after :18 months: then CCP turned it around, but this is low even for CCP.
Have started allowing my accounts to expire, three down and nine to go, and hope to hear something about this from CCP soon beyond the crap response to the other somer thread. Make me want to stay. |
Yhor Pita
9
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:15:00 -
[733] - Quote
I've seen more respectably run private game servers. CCP must be gifting stuff to entities that CCP envies, because those entities run a better business and have a great deal more intelligence than CCP as a whole.
It's like people donating money to Microsoft so Microsoft can buy, scam, or steal their next extremely lucrative venture... just to see how large MS executives' accounts can get and have a feeling of pride when there's a monopoly after MS buys out all competition, spreading it's interests into every aspect of every living human being's life.
I know, I know. This is just a game, WhySoSRS? My only answer to that would be: "because I loathe stupidity from people I have given my support to in the recent past". I see someone I don't know do something incredibly stupid and I just shake my head and ignore it. I see a friend do something incredibly stupid and I am inclined to tell them just how stupid their actions are. If my friend's actions are immediately detrimental to their health or the health of someone I know, I'd be inclined to knock their teeth out, or get my teeth knocked out trying. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1386
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:18:00 -
[734] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:MeBiatch wrote:because people were under the false assumption that it was a Legacy item which it is not and were paying that much.
though now we know better and its not...
but goons keep yelling 20 billion 520 billion 647 quajillion!
as if saying number means anything. See, CCP? This is the customer you will be keeping after the dust settles. People that don't comprehend the simplest ideas of a market. lmao notice hows goons and thier respective alts are the only ones upset here... funny they are like the tea party of eve
Sir, you insult my good name.
I am not, nor I have I been a member or an alt of the goons.
In fact, whilst I respect them for what they do in the game, I pretty much loathe them in the forums, the silly and childish name calling they indulge in, sperg, pubbie, etc is just annoying.
However, I stand four square with all those who have complained about the CCP - Somer Blink debacle, including the goon posters.
You are welcome to troll, but you need to raise your game, you are just bad at it. This is not a signature. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
187
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:18:00 -
[735] - Quote
Drezen Tor wrote:Sure, Goons are upset over several hundred billion in giveaways. Yeah, that make sense. Nothing to do with the method or the seemingly arbitrary selection or anything.
You might look closer and realize there are a lot of non-goons upset as well. It is expected you would see more goons/cfc members because of their size and therefore they represent a larger percentage of eve.
But since you clearly don't trust Goons, let's go that way:
SomerBLINK is an in game entity that is not entirely trusted by everyone in the EVE community. So how would you feel if Goons or some other organization was given these to put out on a lottery through their websites. You don't need to join Goons mind you, you'll you need to do is register your api at their website and you can enter.
I am pretty sure Goons have a decent track record of paying out their SRP reliably, so why shouldn't they be charged with giving away a few thousand dollars in trips to Iceland? |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
32
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:22:00 -
[736] - Quote
Geez, gold magnates & guardian-vexors, now underhanded ishukone scorpions. What's next, Revenants? CCP's favoritism is really starting to get out of hand. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
52
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:27:00 -
[737] - Quote
I left this thread 8hrs ago for some sleep and am just checking in. CCP had updated kotaku 8hrs ago but still nothing here :)
Doesn`t anyone find the fact that they can take the time to pacify the 3rd party gaming press, but not bother with the playerbase the real problem here?
It`s all interesting for me, i`m wondering who gets the short straw :) |
Kate stark
308
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:30:00 -
[738] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:I left this thread 8hrs ago for some sleep and am just checking in. CCP had updated kotaku 8hrs ago but still nothing here :) Doesn`t anyone find the fact that they can take the time to pacify the 3rd party gaming press, but not bother with the playerbase the real problem here? It`s all interesting for me, i`m wondering who gets the short straw :)
to be fair you can tell a third party website who have never touched the game anything and they'll say "oh right, so it's not that big of a deal" where as the actual players, on the other hand, will require more than "it's worse than a regular scorpion" to straighten this one out. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4715
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:30:00 -
[739] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:I left this thread 8hrs ago for some sleep and am just checking in. CCP had updated kotaku 8hrs ago but still nothing here :) Doesn`t anyone find the fact that they can take the time to pacify the 3rd party gaming press, but not bother with the playerbase the real problem here? It`s all interesting for me, i`m wondering who gets the short straw :) The playerbase is just a problem to be dealt with. As you say, they're the real problem here. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
188
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:31:00 -
[740] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:I left this thread 8hrs ago for some sleep and am just checking in. CCP had updated kotaku 8hrs ago but still nothing here :) Doesn`t anyone find the fact that they can take the time to pacify the 3rd party gaming press, but not bother with the playerbase the real problem here? It`s all interesting for me, i`m wondering who gets the short straw :)
The CCP Response amounts to:
"But the ship isn't even good."
Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? |
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Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:34:00 -
[741] - Quote
Pak Narhoo wrote:[quote=sally Deninard] kotaku[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more." Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE." Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." It seems CCP have confirmed this to a 3rd party site, but the community isn`t getting an answer
Quote:An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels.
So now CCP has dug its heels in and resorted to lying?
Because as far as I can remember that ship was supposed to be a test, to see how many CCP could sell from within the (gold ammo) NEX store as a "NEX store exclusive" item. There was no single hair on their collectives head that where thinking back then, "yeah, lets give these away!"
This whole thing stinks. Bah and indeed how low have you sunk CCP? You've clearly nothing learned from the lessons of the past.
And nope, I'm not a goon, nor a goon alt, nor a pet. Just someone who's slowly getting fed up with this company that seems to excel at falling on its face, over and over again. And they just never seem to learn.
CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
I also know that other people other than Somer have also received these in the past.
The issue is not so much the ships themselves, but the fact they have given to a entity which is business, a business which aim is to make money from Eve players and they did so in secrecy.
It then raises the questions,
Who else has received gifts ?
What were those gifts?
Just to note, I have no issue with Somer at all, if anything I congratulate them on having the idea and turning it into a successful business, one which has been running for years now.
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Kate stark
308
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:34:00 -
[742] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it?
considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4716
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:36:00 -
[743] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. They got it, pretty sure of that. So much so they decided to
do it HARDER There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4716
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:37:00 -
[744] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:sally Deninard wrote:I left this thread 8hrs ago for some sleep and am just checking in. CCP had updated kotaku 8hrs ago but still nothing here :) Doesn`t anyone find the fact that they can take the time to pacify the 3rd party gaming press, but not bother with the playerbase the real problem here? It`s all interesting for me, i`m wondering who gets the short straw :) The CCP Response amounts to: "But the ship isn't even good." Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? They're hoping you don't. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kate stark
308
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:37:00 -
[745] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. They got it, pretty sure of that. So much so they decided to do it HARDER
well, if you're going to do something. do it properly. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:41:00 -
[746] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong.
The stupid thing is, they should of had a program with a set of gifs already in place and listed on the forums for all to see.
If they had then we wouldn't be in this situation now.
So when CCP announced that they wanted to work and reward 3rd Party Entities, at that point they should of either included or made a new dev blog stating the list of gifts that you could receive.
Then when ever any of these gifts were issued, create a new blog stating who got what and why/
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
189
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:45:00 -
[747] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. They got it, pretty sure of that. So much so they decided to do it HARDER
But really, the ship isn't any good... |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
306
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:51:00 -
[748] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. The stupid thing is, they should of had a program with a set of gifs already in place and listed on the forums for all to see. If they had then we wouldn't be in this situation now. So when CCP announced that they wanted to work and reward 3rd Party Entities, at that point they should of either included or made a new dev blog stating the list of gifts that you could receive. Then when ever any of these gifts were issued, create a new blog stating who got what and why/ Welcome to the GoonSwarm, fellow goon alt! We missed you :)
Most people miss the point, that action like this opens a can of worms. If its ok to give out gifts in secret, first it will be some promo ships, then it could be anything.
I'm pretty sure you can adapt Martin Niem+¦ller's quote, to describe what player concern is, and why outcry happens now, even though it might seem like its not a big deal. But im too lazy on saturday morning :( For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Kate stark
308
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:52:00 -
[749] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. The stupid thing is, they should of had a program with a set of gifs already in place and listed on the forums for all to see. If they had then we wouldn't be in this situation now. So when CCP announced that they wanted to work and reward 3rd Party Entities, at that point they should of either included or made a new dev blog stating the list of gifts that you could receive. Then when ever any of these gifts were issued, create a new blog stating who got what and why/
or alternatively the gifts shouldn't have any impact upon the game.
free gametime, a title on their character's "show info" pannel, an in game medal thingy, a golden pod (those things aren't sellable right?).
nobody would care if the people at somer got those even if it was under the table because at the end of the day the guys at somer put a lot of work in to what they do and it does generate a lot of stuff for a lot of people however handing then a fist full of isk in a hush hush fashion is really not the way to reward them. also, if it was any of the above suggestions they wouldn't have had to keep it quiet.
the whole situation is setting a precedent that people are clearly uncomfortable with. i mean, the scorpions themselves, or the isk, really isn't the issue. it's the path ccp are choosing to walk down. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Kate stark
308
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:53:00 -
[750] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. They got it, pretty sure of that. So much so they decided to do it HARDER But really, the ship isn't any good...
which means there's no reason to keep it! And since nobody was told about it they could get top isk for it on the market.
so, ccp literally gave every employee at blink a fist full of isk. (as this is GD i should point out this post isn't wholly serious, but yeah...) Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
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Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:58:00 -
[751] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. The stupid thing is, they should of had a program with a set of gifs already in place and listed on the forums for all to see. If they had then we wouldn't be in this situation now. So when CCP announced that they wanted to work and reward 3rd Party Entities, at that point they should of either included or made a new dev blog stating the list of gifts that you could receive. Then when ever any of these gifts were issued, create a new blog stating who got what and why/ or alternatively the gifts shouldn't have any impact upon the game. free gametime, a title on their character's "show info" pannel, an in game medal thingy, a golden pod (those things aren't sellable right?). nobody would care if the people at somer got those even if it was under the table because at the end of the day the guys at somer put a lot of work in to what they do and it does generate a lot of stuff for a lot of people however handing them a fist full of isk in a hush hush fashion is really not the way to reward them. also, if it was any of the above suggestions they wouldn't have had to keep it quiet. the whole situation is setting a precedent that people are clearly uncomfortable with. i mean, the scorpions themselves, or the isk, really isn't the issue. it's the path ccp are choosing to walk down.
Totally agree
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Bruce Kemp
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
58
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:59:00 -
[752] - Quote
So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2449
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:04:00 -
[753] - Quote
Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? How many GTC sales have you generated? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1269
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:08:00 -
[754] - Quote
I am glad to see Chribba on board with the community on this. One of the most powerful statements that could be made is if Chribba would take a lead role in asking the questions and sharing publicly the answers. Perhaps a video of him asking challenging questions.
Also, Chribba could start a boycott of his very own. Until this matter is resolved, I call on Chribba and miners everywhere to ceasing mining anything. Do missions, pvp, whatever. But take a stand and make a positive impact by actions on a large scale.
edit* btw I think I have generated ALOT of GTC sales myself from people who could not read and follow simple rules in my bio See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
806
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:12:00 -
[755] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? How many GTC sales have you generated?
Why would the GTC sales matter?, the only reason people buy game time through somer, and not directly from ccp, is that bonus isk you get from somer. I'm guessing that ccp lose money, compared to people buying directly from them, every time someone uses somer to buy game time.
I can't see how somer directly is doing anything to get new people to subscribe to the game, they are basically just making monkey of the people who are already playing the game, people who would have used ccp directly if somer didn't exist.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
12
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:12:00 -
[756] - Quote
Supporting community initiatives is like building a finely tuned machine, guys. CCP is working on it, they promise. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
189
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:14:00 -
[757] - Quote
I mean the more I stare at this SOMERblink website it becomes clear how ridiculous this all was.
This website offers me no services, no information, it is nothing other than an isk making tool for the people who run the lottery.
For CCP Navigator to extol their virtues in absurd to say the least. It's like rewarding the guy who stocks the most markets in EVE for stocking the most markets.
They created a web interface that allows them to make isk with more efficiency than they could without it. Big deal.
Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:
1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.
2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.
3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.
4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
67
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:17:00 -
[758] - Quote
dexington wrote:Why would the GTC sales matter?
You don-¦t get it, or? It-¦s all about GTC and nothing else. This is the only reason why Somer is favored all over all other Eve-Communities.
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Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:19:00 -
[759] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:I mean the more I stare at this SOMERblink website it becomes clear how ridiculous this all was.
This website offers me no services, no information, it is nothing other than an isk making tool for the people who run the lottery.
For CCP Navigator to extol their virtues in absurd to say the least. It's like rewarding the guy who stocks the most markets in EVE for stocking the most markets.
They created a web interface that allows them to make isk with more efficiency than they could without it. Big deal.
Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:
1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.
2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.
3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.
4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
362
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:22:00 -
[760] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? How many GTC sales have you generated?
CCP said it's for content though never mentioned plex's, or has that line changed overnight ?
Content is stuff ingame, getting people to buy plex's to give more isk into a lottery site is good buisness.
So I will add my voice asking for something for all the content I have added, all I got was a chuffing RP medal when by the looks of it I could of gotten a lot more.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5955
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:22:00 -
[761] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. Yes, that was entirely altruistic. They didn't stand to gain anything from the increased exposure of such a move. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Kate stark
309
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:24:00 -
[762] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO.
and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things.
throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising.
blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:37:00 -
[763] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:dexington wrote:Why would the GTC sales matter? You don-¦t get it, or? It-¦s all about GTC and nothing else. This is the only reason why Somer is favored all over all other Eve-Communities.
No i don't get it, how is it they are effectually providing ccp with a larger profit?
They are selling at lower prices, Europeans can pay the lower dollar price, and they are most likely getting some retailer bonus when selling a GTC, which just makes ccp's profit less then if they would have sold the GTC them self.
I fail to see how they are directly generating new customers, so how exactly would the GTC be relevant? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:37:00 -
[764] - Quote
What makes me also sad is that so many people fail to see this simple fact : A lottery with the theme "EVE" in background has nothing to do with the game EVE whatsoever. It is just another lottery. It brings nothing to EVE. They could have done it with the theme far west or pirats or whatever, it would change nothing to what they are concretly doing : sucking money from naive people and giving back a smaller amount via a lottery. And the fact that isk is used as intermediary doesn't change anything, for isk is permanantly interchangeable with real money. CCP rewarding them is very representative of their state of mind : blink money with a fishy smell above loyal and happy customers. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:45:00 -
[765] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing.
They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do...
CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
263
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:51:00 -
[766] - Quote
i would like to see goons recive some underthetable scorpions and see what they do after all they deserve them the provided lots of new contents and emergent gameplay via highsec miner ganking |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:53:00 -
[767] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. Yes, that was entirely altruistic. They didn't stand to gain anything from the increased exposure of such a move.
This is your problem, you are obsessed with making out that Somer is some evil entity, there a business and a good one at that.
They are good because not only they are profitable, very popular, use very clever advertising techniques but they also give some back.
Also they have given billions isk and have never advertised the fact.
They have also sponsored RvB Gank NIghts as well Eve Uni classes.
Sure it help them get more players to bet, but at least they give something back which is better then most businesses.
The problem is not with Somer but with CCP.
You really need to stop the Somer bashing because all it does make it look like the Goons have a personal vendetta and detracts from the real issue which is CCP giving away items which can have an in game effect in secrecy. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1270
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:54:00 -
[768] - Quote
To mare wrote:i would like to see goons recive some underthetable scorpions and see what they do after all they deserve them the provided lots of new contents and emergent gameplay via highsec miner ganking
The Goons would keep them while publicly laughing about the whole thing. The community would still be upset, but at least it wouldn't be a secret that comes out awkwardly.
Now if the New Order were given such ships under the table, James 315 would return them or use them as ganking ships. The New Order is among the most respected groups within Eve Online. You can read more at www.minerbumping.com See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:56:00 -
[769] - Quote
dexington wrote:Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do... CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced.
and in what way does that change the fact that somer are not a community service? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:01:00 -
[770] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:dexington wrote:Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do... CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced. and in what way does that change the fact that somer are not a community service?
It doesn't but then against doesn't mean they are evil. They are a business, pure and simple.
The issue is not Somer and shouldn't be either.
It doesn't matter it if was Somer, EveMon, Dotlan, Z Killboard, Chribba etc...
What matters is that CCP are giving people items that can have an effect in game for free, in secrecy.
It raises the questions
Who else has received items?
What items did they receive?
Why did they get those items? |
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Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:10:00 -
[771] - Quote
it's not even that, it's his implication that providing content should be a criteria for handing out IW scorps.
by that logic, there are people more deserving than blink anyway. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
162
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:13:00 -
[772] - Quote
this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming ______________________________________________________________________-á
GÖ½ When your pod gets blown to bits GÖ¬GÖ½ And you lose your implant fits GÖ¬\Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:15:00 -
[773] - Quote
? It has been like 1 day and CSM members have already commented here. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:16:00 -
[774] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:dexington wrote:Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do... CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced. and in what way does that change the fact that somer are not a community service?
Running a gambling site is by definition a entertainment service, and they actually spend a lot of the isk they make to provide content for even the people who don't gamble.
CCP should not have given them the ship secretly, maybe not at all, but that don't make somer the bad guy. If they wanted they could keep all the isk they make for them self, but they don't they give parts of it to people who make the game better by making content, and if you can't see why that's a good thing.... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:18:00 -
[775] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:it's not even that, it's his implication that providing content should be a criteria for handing out IW scorps.
by that logic, there are people more deserving than blink anyway.
That is true, but the items in questions and who they were given to is not the important part, CCP's part in all of this is what matters the most and we shouldn't detract from this by getting involved in whether Somer are this that or the other.
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Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:23:00 -
[776] - Quote
dexington wrote: Running a gambling site is by definition a entertainment service, and they actually spend a lot of the isk they make to provide content for even the people who don't gamble.
CCP should not have given them the ship secretly, maybe not at all, but that don't make somer the bad guy. If they wanted they could keep all the isk they make for them self, but they don't they give parts of it to people who make the game better by making content, and if you can't see why that's a good thing....
providing a service =/= being a community service.
Prince Kobol wrote:That is true, but the items in questions and who they were given to is not the important part, CCP's part in all of this is what matters the most and we shouldn't detract from this by getting involved in whether Somer are this that or the other.
i agree. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
67
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:27:00 -
[777] - Quote
ST0NER SMURF wrote:this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming
So true. I mean CSM was satisfied with last weeks CCPstatement, that tells them, they arn't useful in any way. Hell most of them show up in the forums to run their campaign. Or to tell players: I was in Iceland and learned a lot about Eves possiblly future. But I don't tell you! *Nelson haha!*" |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:31:00 -
[778] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:ST0NER SMURF wrote:this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming So true. I mean CSM was satisfied with last weeks CCPstatement, that tells them, they arn't useful in any way. Hell most of them show up in the forums to run their campaign. Or to tell players: I was in Iceland and learned a lot about Eves possiblly future. But I don't tell you! *Nelson haha!*"
Usually I am one of the first people saying the CSM are useless however in this instance I actually feel for them.
They can only go on what information they are given by CCP.
They can not act on what they don't know.
So far I happy with the statements they have made, in this instance they can only react and so far they are doing okay.
Come next week when CCP Devs are back at work and they have had the chance to talk to them, then I will pass judgement.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5957
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:35:00 -
[779] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. Yes, that was entirely altruistic. They didn't stand to gain anything from the increased exposure of such a move. This is your problem, you are obsessed with making out that Somer is some evil entity, there a business and a good one at that. Then you misunderstand my point entirely
Prince Kobol wrote:You really need to stop the Somer bashing because all it does make it look like the Goons have a personal vendetta and detracts from the real issue which is CCP giving away items which can have an in game effect in secrecy. To most intelligent people it goes without saying that my views are my own and not necessarily indicative of views that are held by my corp, my alliance, or anyone else within them. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
162
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:36:00 -
[780] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Bronco Platz wrote:ST0NER SMURF wrote:this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming So true. I mean CSM was satisfied with last weeks CCPstatement, that tells them, they arn't useful in any way. Hell most of them show up in the forums to run their campaign. Or to tell players: I was in Iceland and learned a lot about Eves possiblly future. But I don't tell you! *Nelson haha!*" Usually I am one of the first people saying the CSM are useless however in this instance I actually feel for them. They can only go on what information they are given by CCP. They can not act on what they don't know. So far I happy with the statements they have made, in this instance they can only react and so far they are doing okay. Come next week when CCP Devs are back at work and they have had the chance to talk to them, then I will pass judgement.
wel thats yust it, ccp made csm for pr mostly, as they still do whatever they want without letting csm know or Judge wich makes it al pointless ______________________________________________________________________-á
GÖ½ When your pod gets blown to bits GÖ¬GÖ½ And you lose your implant fits GÖ¬\Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:36:00 -
[781] - Quote
To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:37:00 -
[782] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
It doesn't but then against doesn't mean they are evil. They are a business, pure and simple.
The issue is not Somer and shouldn't be either.
It doesn't matter it if was Somer, EveMon, Dotlan, Z Killboard, Chribba etc...
What matters is that CCP are giving people items that can have an effect in game for free, in secrecy.
It raises the questions
Who else has received items?
What items did they receive?
Why did they get those items?
All relevant questions and I'll add a few thoughts of my own.
You are wrong that Somer is not the issue in the first set of cases, about the new ships being handed out by lotto.
CCP endorsed them as a upright and honest group that everyone should trust, breaching the sandbox walls and involving themselves in the games by directly supporting a player faction against all others. Their claiming that they planned all along to hand out more such bountiful gifts to other 3rd parties looks to be nothing more than an after the event smokescreen, it's irrelevant.
In the second case, the mass handout, (but shh. don't tell anyone so we can gradually sell these all to the poor saps who had no idea new multi billion isk ships had been spawned and handed out), Somer are again most definitely are the issue.
It raises more questions:
Why this secret factionalism where CCP elevate one groups 'content' above others by providing them with tens of thousands of real world dollars worth of ingame advantage?
Is there a relationship beyond a simple business one between CCP and Somer? Why provide a CCP endorsement of this ingame corporation above any other? GTC sales notwithstanding. Are Somer a CCP run organisation straddling the in/out of game boundary, or just a third party CCP like?
And, (hey I realise the near total reality disconnect in saying give them real things not pixels), but why give them virtual items in the ultra competitive sandbox that give their gameplay (running a isk farming roulette/lottery system) a huge advantage over their competitors, by providing rare ships and possibly other such goodies, driving traffic towards them? Why not give them out of game promotional merchandise, that nobody at all who plays the game would have any objection to?
Seriously here, if :CCP: had given Somer those fanfest tickets as a giveaway and not the threat and promise of Ultra rare ships, I think everyone would have thought, yeah nice one, lets play a few more blinks and thanks very much CCP, woohoo I just won a Rorqual etc.
These questions do deserve answers, it'll help small time schmucks like me decide if we really want to spend our own real world dollars playing a game where the GM's and DEVs engage in favouritism and factionalism.
Just as an afterthought the EVE world is supposed to be corrupt after all, so yes I can live with a little corruption from rogue devs, it's natural, and I expect it to be cleaned up after the event like with T20.
But, the fact that the people supposed to be making and keeping the rules are openly and clandestinely engaging in factionalism, supporting SOMER and maybe others who knows, (I see no reason to suspect only SOMER of receiving ingame transfers of this nature), will, I guess, leave a lot of people questioning their long term commitment to playing EVE. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 09:39:00 -
[783] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it?
They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5958
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:40:00 -
[784] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? There's quite an ocean of difference between a very public and regularly recurring tournament open to any alliance in the game with very special and unique prizes given to the winners, and a very under-the-table rewarding of a specific group for very vaguely defined reasons, in addition to publicly rewarding them and explicitly affirming their trustworthiness. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:41:00 -
[785] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it?
God I hope this is troll because if you are serious they you really need to unsub. |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:42:00 -
[786] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it?
Comparing:
A well known above board method of adding new content for players who 'by merit' defeated all comers and took those prizes.
A secret infusion of trillions of isk into the pockets of someone who the devs have taken a shine to.
Yeah, thanks for your contibution here bucko, that 'logic' really clears things up. |
Prince Kobol
975
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:47:00 -
[787] - Quote
Cierra Royce wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
It doesn't but then against doesn't mean they are evil. They are a business, pure and simple.
The issue is not Somer and shouldn't be either.
It doesn't matter it if was Somer, EveMon, Dotlan, Z Killboard, Chribba etc...
What matters is that CCP are giving people items that can have an effect in game for free, in secrecy.
It raises the questions
Who else has received items?
What items did they receive?
Why did they get those items?
All relevant questions and I'll add a few thoughts of my own. You are wrong that Somer is not the issue in the first set of cases, about the new ships being handed out by lotto. CCP endorsed them as a upright and honest group that everyone should trust, breaching the sandbox walls and involving themselves in the games by directly supporting a player faction against all others. Their claiming that they planned all along to hand out more such bountiful gifts to other 3rd parties looks to be nothing more than an after the event smokescreen, it's irrelevant. In the second case, the mass handout, (but shh. don't tell anyone so we can gradually sell these all to the poor saps who had no idea new multi billion isk ships had been spawned and handed out), Somer are again most definitely are the issue. It raises more questions: Why this secret factionalism where CCP elevate one groups 'content' above others by providing them with tens of thousands of real world dollars worth of ingame advantage? Is there a relationship beyond a simple business one between CCP and Somer? Why provide a CCP endorsement of this ingame corporation above any other? GTC sales notwithstanding. Are Somer a CCP run organisation straddling the in/out of game boundary, or just a third party CCP like? And, (hey I realise the near total reality disconnect in saying give them real things not pixels ), but why give them virtual items in the ultra competitive sandbox that give their gameplay (running a isk farming roulette/lottery system) a huge advantage over their competitors, by providing rare ships and possibly other such goodies, driving traffic towards them? Why not give them out of game promotional merchandise, that nobody at all who plays the game would have any objection to? Seriously here, if :CCP: had given Somer those fanfest tickets as a giveaway and not the threat and promise of Ultra rare ships, I think everyone would have thought, yeah nice one, lets play a few more blinks and thanks very much CCP, woohoo I just won a Rorqual etc. These questions do deserve answers, it'll help small time schmucks like me decide if we really want to spend our own real world dollars playing a game where the GM's and DEVs engage in favouritism and factionalism. Just as an afterthought the EVE world is supposed to be corrupt after all, so yes I can live with a little corruption from rogue devs, it's natural, and I expect it to be cleaned up after the event like with T20. But, the fact that the people supposed to be making and keeping the rules are openly and clandestinely engaging in factionalism, supporting SOMER and maybe others who knows, (I see no reason to suspect only SOMER of receiving ingame transfers of this nature), will, I guess, leave a lot of people questioning their long term commitment to playing EVE.
I have no issue with if CCP have a relationship with Somer.
Both are businesses. Many Businesses have relationships that are beneficial to each other.
I would have no issues if CCP gave any business non in game promotional items in order to make themselves more money by iether encouraging more people to sub or to purchase GTC's.
If CCP gave Somer say Eve Store Vouchers, great, brilliant.. no problems what so ever. Give them limited Edition Tops for example.
If CCP gave Business X something similar, again , I have no problems.
The issues in this case is that CCP gave players free items that can have an effect in game in total secrecy. |
Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:52:00 -
[788] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it?
not sure if troll, or missing the point entirely... Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
929
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:59:00 -
[789] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it?
Ice78, 78 is your IQ, right? The Tears Must Flow |
Prince Kobol
975
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:00:00 -
[790] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? Ice78, 78 is your IQ, right?
lmao |
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:01:00 -
[791] - Quote
dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes
Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
164
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:02:00 -
[792] - Quote
so any new protest lans like with the gold ammo stuff o.0
then when ppl do that i can blowup there towers and make some isk aswel ;p ______________________________________________________________________-á
GÖ½ When your pod gets blown to bits GÖ¬GÖ½ And you lose your implant fits GÖ¬\Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Yhor Pita
9
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:03:00 -
[793] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote: Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
A brain. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
808
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:06:00 -
[794] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
If you can't see the difference, i would say you are missing common sense. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
930
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:06:00 -
[795] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
We can't help you, you must first develop some basic cognitive functions. Are you that "Tarzan" kid that lived in the wild and was raised by animals? It would explain alot... The Tears Must Flow |
Disdaine
427
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:07:00 -
[796] - Quote
Why is Blink singled out to receive such treatment?
All they do is run a website for personal profit.
How about EFT , Pyfa , Evemon , EveUni , RvB , Eve Refinery , Dotlan , Ombey , Battleclinic , Eve Survival , Swift and Bitter DSP guide , Jump Planner , Eve-Agents , Chruker , EvE Central and many more websites, tools, individuals and alliances. All of whom have provided far more of a "service" and created more content for eve players than Blink. Myself and many others I know wouldn't still be playing eve if it weren't for these services.
So that leaves me to ask, what's so special about Blink? GTC? And who are they to be extended such trust and favoritism, didn't one of their trustworthy employees rip them off a couple of years ago and another leak this mail? What happens when Autumnries gets bored and moves on, ebank again? |
Prince Kobol
975
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:09:00 -
[797] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
damn.. I think this guys is serious
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:18:00 -
[798] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
^ What I said.
And here are the reply's:
dexington wrote:If you can't see the difference, i would say you are missing common sense.
Vaju Enki wrote:We can't help you, you must first develop some basic cognitive functions. Are you that "Tarzan" kid that lived in the wild and was raised by animals? It would explain alot...
Either you all have no ability to articulate yourselves, or you just don't know what you are so angry about. Get over yourselves.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Kate stark
314
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:19:00 -
[799] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
no, they get the items as a prize for winning the tournament. if that basic fact alone doesn't illustrate the obvious difference to you, please stop posting as you've clearly got nothing useful to contribute to the discussion as you cannot grasp the issue being discussed.
as to what you're missing; you're missing the entire point. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
933
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:20:00 -
[800] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing. ^ What I said. And here are the reply's: dexington wrote:If you can't see the difference, i would say you are missing common sense. Vaju Enki wrote:We can't help you, you must first develop some basic cognitive functions. Are you that "Tarzan" kid that lived in the wild and was raised by animals? It would explain alot... Either you all have no ability to articulate yourselves, or you just don't know what you are so angry about. Get over yourselves.
Elephants The Tears Must Flow |
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Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
91
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:30:00 -
[801] - Quote
Imagine if you're an original owner of one of these Ishukone Scorps - suddenly, you'd hate the thing. If you ever flew it, you'd have a target on your back. At the very least, you'd be the target of mass derision. Once pilots figured out you were an Ishukone owner, they'd camp you everywhere to gank your Ishukone. They'll camp you to gank you even if you're not in your Ishukone, figuring you're another SOMER Blink scam artist on the take from CCP. And you can't even sell the thing because nobody would be caught dead with one. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2056
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:35:00 -
[802] - Quote
Right, since ISD Tyrozan decided to lock my thread for its "similarities" to this one, here's a call for CCP to hand over a list of everything they've given away:
Judging by the recent Guardian-Vexor/Magnate scandal, the community seems relatively unaware that CCP seems to enjoy dropping gifts on "pillars of the community". The furor that arose earlier today/yesterday over SOMER employees being given an Ishukone Scorpion each for their sterling work in making a profit and keeping the community logged in to EVE that little bit longer (before anyone starts raging about this, yes, I'm aware that they do sponsor community events e.g. RvB Ganked. However, they also get plenty of free advertising off CCP and other community groups, sooooo) seems to have indicated that players assumed this was a once-ever screwup by CCP.
Apparently not.
Looking at a thread titled "SPZ-3 'Torch'", complaining that CCP dropped some rare monocles in a roam that were acquired by Entity, it would seem that the OP is full of impotent rage at CCP's method of giving away free stuff (rare drops from CCP roams are my personal preference, involving devs and players and giving directly to the community). However. Let's have a look at a particular section of Entity's WTS post:
Entity wrote: These are the same monocles CCP sponsored to SOMER.Blink (4 of each variety).
This would suggest that CCP has already handed over at least these ultra-rare items to SOMER. What else has been given away? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Heinky
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:39:00 -
[803] - Quote
CCP should award me a ship for al my alts good idea's that i post in F & ID section and they implement.... |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
302
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:40:00 -
[804] - Quote
Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? |
Kate stark
314
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:44:00 -
[805] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM?
it's the weekend. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
68
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:49:00 -
[806] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend.
They responded allready (on a 3rd class gamingwebsite). Nobody in CCP is interested in the players at the forums. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
91
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:52:00 -
[807] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend. They responded allready (on a 3rd class gamingwebsite). Nobody in CCP is interested in the players at the forums. Do you have a link for that? There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Prince Kobol
975
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:53:00 -
[808] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing. ^ What I said. And here are the reply's: dexington wrote:If you can't see the difference, i would say you are missing common sense. Vaju Enki wrote:We can't help you, you must first develop some basic cognitive functions. Are you that "Tarzan" kid that lived in the wild and was raised by animals? It would explain alot... Either you all have no ability to articulate yourselves, or you just don't know what you are so angry about. Get over yourselves.
Okay.. lets start at the beginning.
Yes CCP give away prizes each year for the tournaments.
CCP list what the prizes are going to be before the tournament starts.
Who gets the prizes is determined by who wins the tournament.
Players of various corps and alliances form teams and practice for months.
They entire the tournament.
The matches are streamed live.
We have a Winner and Runner up.
The entire community knows who wins and what they won.
We clear so far?
In this case people who we don't know were given free items which have a in game effect in secrecy for doing something.
See the difference?
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1389
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:55:00 -
[809] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM?
At the time of the elections for CSM 8, I described it as CSM Who?
It would seem that CCP shares my view. This is not a signature. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
547
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:57:00 -
[810] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:If it was not true, CCP would be posting the "NOT BE TOLERATED" blog already including the bans that resulted from such a blatant lie and slander.
But nothing.
But honestly, all of that aside, you guys have to try to remember that his is just a video game, and CCP runs it. They can do whatever they want, favor whomever they want, give and take whatever they want.
Somer Mahm is winning the meta game of Eve. Yes, that does mean you are losing. Cry me a river.
Not while retaining a paying customer base. He who laughs last laughs best. |
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mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
152
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:58:00 -
[811] - Quote
Oh my, I thought T20 was a thing of the past.
I guess that's what happens when you hire people who probably don't even know who that is. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
810
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 10:58:00 -
[812] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM?
Don't believe everything they tell you... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
68
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 10:59:00 -
[813] - Quote
Amhra Rho wrote:Bronco Platz wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend. They responded allready (on a 3rd class gamingwebsite). Nobody in CCP is interested in the players at the forums. Do you have a link for that?
Here you go: http://kotaku.com/eve-players-decry-favoritism-as-select-few-get-a-20-1441517429 |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
473
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 11:06:00 -
[814] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:Right, since ISD Tyrozan decided to lock my thread for its "similarities" to this one, here's a call for CCP to hand over a list of everything they've given away: Judging by the recent Guardian-Vexor/Magnate scandal, the community seems relatively unaware that CCP seems to enjoy dropping gifts on "pillars of the community". The furor that arose earlier today/yesterday over SOMER employees being given an Ishukone Scorpion each for their sterling work in making a profit and keeping the community logged in to EVE that little bit longer (before anyone starts raging about this, yes, I'm aware that they do sponsor community events e.g. RvB Ganked. However, they also get plenty of free advertising off CCP and other community groups, sooooo) seems to have indicated that players assumed this was a once-ever screwup by CCP. Apparently not. Looking at a thread titled " SPZ-3 'Torch'", complaining that CCP dropped some rare monocles in a roam that were acquired by Entity, it would seem that the OP is full of impotent rage at CCP's method of giving away free stuff (rare drops from CCP roams are my personal preference, involving devs and players and giving directly to the community). However. Let's have a look at a particular section of Entity's WTS post: Entity wrote: These are the same monocles CCP sponsored to SOMER.Blink (4 of each variety).
This would suggest that CCP has already handed over at least these ultra-rare items to SOMER. What else has been given away? Well if you watch the vid of the event I think the OP of that thread has a point. They dropped 30 monocles, this guy is selling for 27 billion each, that's like 800 billion isk in PL's home system. In the video you can clearly see its a PL / CCP event so effectively they just gave the stuff to PL after having some gudfites.
I guess PL members must be RL friends with CCP too.
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Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1561
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:23:00 -
[815] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing.
Your stupid face and expression explains a lot of your rabble. CCP Navagiator AKA CCP T20 |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
469
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:32:00 -
[816] - Quote
So, that link says that CCP say Somerset are not unique in having recieved these:
Quote:It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more.
Will there be further outcry towards these other incidents, or is it unique to Somer? |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
362
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 11:33:00 -
[817] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend.
So what it's the weekend, my buisness doesn't close on the weekend and neither does this one, all it needs is a Yep they got those ships given to them, we'll get back to you on monday with a full response post or No it's not true, you all fell for a troll post. |
Kate stark
314
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 11:35:00 -
[818] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend. So what it's the weekend, my buisness doesn't close on the weekend and neither does this one, all it needs is a Yep they got those ships given to them, we'll get back to you on monday with a full response post or No it's not true, you all fell for a troll post.
yeah just because the business doesn't close, doesn't mean the person with the authority to comment on the situation works weekends.
i don't believe i'm having to explain this kind of thing to people. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
wowyouareacow
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
16
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:38:00 -
[819] - Quote
CCP, why did you decide some of the richest players in EVE should be given even more ISK? |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
212
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:39:00 -
[820] - Quote
They did respond.. just not here to the players.
"[UPDATE] An EVE Online spokesman responds that "The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more."P
Additionally, despite this spacecraft's unique skin, it is "actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only 1 TritaniumGÇöso it is little more than a hangar ornament." The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE."P
Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been "carefully noted," and the game is "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community.""
They got the worst attitude to this, I did not expect the developers to be handing out ships here and there, to me that just makes no sense in this game. I disagree |
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Ariel Dawn
F9X
1143
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:42:00 -
[821] - Quote
Items that CCP gives directly to players without any sort of competition (tournament or otherwise) should be seeded and readily available for the general population of the game. The monocles should not have been dropped by a random event in the home system of a prolific alliance where it would be hard pressed for any other group to fight over. SOMER Blink does not need any charity from CCP as well.
What other people/sites have received special limited edition items outside of SOMER Blink by the way? |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:46:00 -
[822] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing. no, they get the items as a prize for winning the tournament. if that basic fact alone doesn't illustrate the obvious difference to you, please stop posting as you've clearly got nothing useful to contribute to the discussion as you cannot grasp the issue being discussed. as to what you're missing; you're missing the entire point.
I'm not missing the point, you're missing the point: CCP gave a small amount of (supposedly valuable) stuff away to people, and the game did not implode. This is not game changing, sommer blink is not now going to conquer all of New Eden with an army of IS Scorps, this is not micro-transactions, and it is not T20 again, despite all your hysterics. Move along people, nothing to see here.
Again, get over yourselves.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Prince Kobol
977
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:48:00 -
[823] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:So, that link says that CCP say Somerset are not unique in having recieved these: Quote:It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, 'thanks' and more. Will there be further outcry towards these other incidents, or is it unique to Somer?
If you had read some of the comments on this thread then you will see then answer would be yes.
The issue that these shall we say gifts went to somer is irreverent.
No player should receive any in item that can have an effect in game in secrecy.
The problem is CCP do not seem to realise the actual problem which is they are giving people items which can have an effect in game in secrecy.
If they see no problem with giving these items then why hide it? It should be no issue to them to release a dev blog detailing which players/entities have been given gifts.
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:50:00 -
[824] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
In this case people who we don't know were given free items WHICH HAVE A IN GAME EFFECT in secrecy for doing something.
See the difference?
For your benefit, I full-caped, bolded and underlined the bit where you got it wrong.
Get over yourself. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Prince Kobol
977
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 11:51:00 -
[825] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Kate stark wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:dexington wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:To all of you (goons *sigh*) raging about how CCP has just broken the game, consider this bit of logic:
Every year CCP gives out (magic, like) super valuable items to the player base. They are collectively know as the Alliance Tournament prizes. Despite this, the game has not emploded yet. Quite remarkable, isn't it? They don't secretly pick one group and give them prizes Whats your point? One group gets super valuable items, because CCP feels they deserve it, either throught their skill piloting ships in combat, or through their work which enhances a section of the community. Please enlighten me as to what you feel I am missing. no, they get the items as a prize for winning the tournament. if that basic fact alone doesn't illustrate the obvious difference to you, please stop posting as you've clearly got nothing useful to contribute to the discussion as you cannot grasp the issue being discussed. as to what you're missing; you're missing the entire point. I'm not missing the point, you're missing the point: CCP gave a small amount of (supposedly valuable) stuff away to people, and the game did not implode. This is not game changing, sommer blink is not now going to conquer all of New Eden with an army of IS Scorps, this is not micro-transactions, and it is not T20 again, despite all your hysterics. Move along people, nothing to see here. Again, get over yourselves.
Please tell me your trolling as I refuse to believe somebody is simply this incapable of getting the point.
Jesus I am going to have to beg Vince to let us reset WhySo as I can not believe we are blue to people who are really this stupid. |
Prince Kobol
978
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 11:52:00 -
[826] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
In this case people who we don't know were given free items WHICH HAVE A IN GAME EFFECT in secrecy for doing something.
See the difference?
For your benefit, I full-caped, bolded and underlined the bit where you got it wrong. Get over yourself.
Yet you have not explained why I am wrong?
I say these ships are unique and can be sold for billions of isk, how is that not having an effect in game? |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
72
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 11:58:00 -
[827] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
In this case people who we don't know were given free items WHICH HAVE A IN GAME EFFECT in secrecy for doing something.
See the difference?
For your benefit, I full-caped, bolded and underlined the bit where you got it wrong. Get over yourself. Yet you have not explained why I am wrong? I say these ships are unique and can be sold for billions of isk, how is that not having an effect in game?
But they refine only in 1 Trit. So they can't have any ingame effect...
P. S. : Should I better tag this post with sarcasm? |
Din Chao
361
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:00:00 -
[828] - Quote
CCP Manifest wrote:We did end up giving Ishukone Ships away to SOMER's people as a "thanks" (as per the email) in a similar manner to our previous issuances of the ship. It's always been meant to be a promo item--for awards, rewards, charity-based efforts, promo items and more. The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. So, what's the going price for 1 Trit? Because that should be what the Ishukone goes for according to this. |
Kate stark
314
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:01:00 -
[829] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:I'm not missing the point, you're missing the point: CCP gave a small amount of (supposedly valuable) stuff away to people, and the game did not implode. This is not game changing, sommer blink is not now going to conquer all of New Eden with an army of IS Scorps, this is not micro-transactions, and it is not T20 again, despite all your hysterics. Move along people, nothing to see here.
Again, get over yourselves.
yes you are missing the point.
ccp didn't give away ships to anyone at the AT, the winning teams earned them. CCP didn't hand pick a group and secretly give them billions of isk of assets.
are you honestly telling me you can't understand how vastly different these two methods of acquisition are?
no, you're right it's probably not game changing. however ccp just giving billions of isk of stuff to people "because they can" is honestly not how it should be, and if i have to explain why that is to you then i'm just going to be convinced you're a troll as nobody could be that ignorant. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2452
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:04:00 -
[830] - Quote
Ariel Dawn wrote:What other people/sites have received special limited edition items outside of SOMER Blink by the way? Band of Brothers received some valuable and limited edition items once. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:07:00 -
[831] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
In this case people who we don't know were given free items WHICH HAVE A IN GAME EFFECT in secrecy for doing something.
See the difference?
For your benefit, I full-caped, bolded and underlined the bit where you got it wrong. Get over yourself. Yet you have not explained why I am wrong? I say these ships are unique and can be sold for billions of isk, how is that not having an effect in game?
There are thousands of things in game that can be sold for billions of ISK, and a not insignificant number of them were handed out by CCP as prizes or otherwise, each worth 10's of billions, and unlike the IS Scorp alot of them actually could be useful in game if people chose to use them.
Yet nothing changed with the game. That's the bit where there was, and is, no effect. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2317
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:22:00 -
[832] - Quote
It was CCP Navigator?
As if anyone had any doubt about his clear bias, considering he was the one claiming a specific in-game, for profit group were totally legitimate and everyone should give them isk, and handed them unique ships to use in their business
This is absolutely revolting. It's T20 bullshit all over again.
It doesn't matter even if CCP respond the correct way and fire whoever was responsible, and undo the damage done in-game, I'm still unsubbing all my accounts
Fool me once, etc |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:26:00 -
[833] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:ccp didn't give away ships to anyone at the AT, the winning teams earned them. CCP didn't hand pick a group and secretly give them billions of isk of assets.
are you honestly telling me you can't understand how vastly different these two methods of acquisition are?
no, you're right it's probably not game changing. however ccp just giving billions of isk of stuff to people "because they can" is honestly not how it should be, and if i have to explain why that is to you then i'm just going to be convinced you're a troll as nobody could be that ignorant.
Again, bolded and underlined the important bit. CCP may give things to people who earn it, like lets say.....the workers at sommer blink?
I like that you agree that nothing has changed, because looking at some of the raging in this thread, you would assume that the sun was never going to rise again all over New Eden! However as regards to what should and should not be, I'll have to check the Eve rule book and see if there is a chapter listing what should and should not be. However before I do check I already pretty sure it'll say something like, if CCP wants to, then they can.
The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward. Good for them. I will still continue to undock. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
92
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:27:00 -
[834] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:It was CCP Navigator?
As if anyone had any doubt about his clear bias, considering he was the one claiming a specific in-game, for profit group were totally legitimate and everyone should give them isk, and handed them unique ships to use in their business
This is absolutely revolting. It's T20 bullshit all over again.
It doesn't matter even if CCP respond the correct way and fire whoever was responsible, and undo the damage done in-game, I'm still unsubbing all my accounts
Fool me once, etc What's got me into a fuming rage is that CCP snuck around and did this behind our backs. As if they thought they wouldn't be caught. What in the world were they thinking? There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
551
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:28:00 -
[835] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Again, bolded and underlined the important bit. CCP may give things to people who earn it, like lets say.....the workers at sommer blink?
I like that you agree that nothing has changed, because looking at some of the raging in this thread, you would assume that the sun was never going to rise again all over New Eden! However as regards to what should and should not be, I'll have to check the Eve rule book and see if there is a chapter listing what should and should not be. However before I do check I already pretty sure it'll say something like, if CCP wants to, then they can.
The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward. Good for them. I will still continue to undock.
Definitely a special kind of stupid, isn't he? |
Kate stark
315
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:28:00 -
[836] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Kate stark wrote:ccp didn't give away ships to anyone at the AT, the winning teams earned them. CCP didn't hand pick a group and secretly give them billions of isk of assets.
are you honestly telling me you can't understand how vastly different these two methods of acquisition are?
no, you're right it's probably not game changing. however ccp just giving billions of isk of stuff to people "because they can" is honestly not how it should be, and if i have to explain why that is to you then i'm just going to be convinced you're a troll as nobody could be that ignorant. Again, bolded and underlined the important bit. CCP may give things to people who earn it, like lets say.....the workers at sommer blink? I like that you agree that nothing has changed, because looking at some of the raging in this thread, you would assume that the sun was never going to rise again all over New Eden! However as regards to what should and should not be, I'll have to check the Eve rule book and see if there is a chapter listing what should and should not be. However before I do check I already pretty sure it'll say something like, if CCP wants to, then they can. The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward. Good for them. I will still continue to undock.
you've missed the point again.
ccp secretly handing any group of players a bunch of isk for any reason is unacceptable. tell me i'm wrong, i dare you.
also there are no guidelines for "earning" a scorpion for community contribution unlike the AT. seriously, the differences in acquisition is staggering and the fact that you're oblivious to it is honestly saddening. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2454
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:29:00 -
[837] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:There are thousands of things in game that can be sold for billions of ISK, and a not insignificant number of them were handed out by CCP as prizes or otherwise, each worth 10's of billions, and unlike the IS Scorp alot of them actually could be useful in game if people chose to use them. How many of them were handed out in secret for no other reason than 'we like you guys'?
You do understand the difference between being publicly given a valuable item as a prize for winning the Alliance Tournament, and being given a valuable item under the table because CCP Navigator has decided that you're one of the cool kids? Don't you? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
551
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:31:00 -
[838] - Quote
Also being rewarded is different then being given a printing press of items in the future to generate plex sales at the expense of every other player and the sandbox. A high school diploma should be required to post. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2323
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:31:00 -
[839] - Quote
Amhra Rho wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:It was CCP Navigator?
As if anyone had any doubt about his clear bias, considering he was the one claiming a specific in-game, for profit group were totally legitimate and everyone should give them isk, and handed them unique ships to use in their business
This is absolutely revolting. It's T20 bullshit all over again.
It doesn't matter even if CCP respond the correct way and fire whoever was responsible, and undo the damage done in-game, I'm still unsubbing all my accounts
Fool me once, etc What's got me into a fuming rage is that CCP snuck around and did this behind our backs. As if they thought they wouldn't be caught. What in the world were they thinking?
Because they knew it was disgusting and unquestionably wrong. They knew, hence having to try and hide it.
I won't tar the whole of CCP with that brush though, I'm sure there are lots of good folk at CCP who didn't know or didn't approve of this kind of crap. However, the fact that this stuff is still happening, even after the long history of this game... yeah, I'm done. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:33:00 -
[840] - Quote
Quote: The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward
lol
btw still waiting on that 450b someone promissed me
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Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
92
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:34:00 -
[841] - Quote
@TheGunslinger42 - I'm pretty much in agreement, except to say that a decision of this magnitude certainly had to have involved more than one decision-making individual at CCP. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:36:00 -
[842] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Again, bolded and underlined the important bit. CCP may give things to people who earn it, like lets say.....the workers at sommer blink?
I like that you agree that nothing has changed, because looking at some of the raging in this thread, you would assume that the sun was never going to rise again all over New Eden! However as regards to what should and should not be, I'll have to check the Eve rule book and see if there is a chapter listing what should and should not be. However before I do check I'm already pretty sure it'll say something like, if CCP wants to, then they can.
The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward. Good for them. I will still continue to undock. I'm sure the people who run BIG lottery, Eve-Bet, etc work very hard as well. By what criteria did CCP Navigator decide that Somer were his chosen winners and their competitors the losers? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Kate stark
316
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:37:00 -
[843] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Again, bolded and underlined the important bit. CCP may give things to people who earn it, like lets say.....the workers at sommer blink?
I like that you agree that nothing has changed, because looking at some of the raging in this thread, you would assume that the sun was never going to rise again all over New Eden! However as regards to what should and should not be, I'll have to check the Eve rule book and see if there is a chapter listing what should and should not be. However before I do check I'm already pretty sure it'll say something like, if CCP wants to, then they can.
The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward. Good for them. I will still continue to undock. I'm sure the people who run BIG lottery, Eve-Bet, etc work very hard as well. By what criteria did CCP Navigator decide that Somer were his chosen winners and their competitors the losers?
i'm sure most people who play eve work hard; where are the rest of the scorpions? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2327
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:39:00 -
[844] - Quote
Amhra Rho wrote:@TheGunslinger42 - I'm pretty much in agreement, except to say that a decision of this magnitude certainly had to have involved more than one decision-making individual at CCP.
Oh definitely, it couldn't have just been a single person doing it. There would have been more people involved in that decision. And all those people apparently do not understand the history of this game, the playerbase, or how the game itself works. Or they understand all that and simply don't give a toss. Either way, it's pretty abhorrent.
It's a shame those people - which I assume is only a fairly small set - manage to trash the reputation of the entire company so horrendously
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:40:00 -
[845] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:you've missed the point again.
ccp secretly handing any group of players a bunch of isk for any reason is unacceptable. tell me i'm wrong, i dare you.
Like the Alliance Tournament prizes? Your wrong, and I do not say that because I'm afraid of the inevitable war-dec I would otherwise get from Pandemic Legion, Hydra and VoC when, due to a player outcry, CCP have to take back all their prizes. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Kate stark
316
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:42:00 -
[846] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Kate stark wrote:you've missed the point again.
ccp secretly handing any group of players a bunch of isk for any reason is unacceptable. tell me i'm wrong, i dare you. Like the Alliance Tournament prizes? Your wrong, and I do not say that because I'm afraid of the inevitable war-dec I would otherwise get from Pandemic Legion, Hydra and VoC when, due to a player outcry, CCP have to take back all their prizes.
i'm sorry, since when were AT prizes secrets? and since when were ccp able to just give AT ships to whoever they liked?
when you compare apples to oranges, and tell everyone they're pears don't be surprised when people look at you like you're a complete fool. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
553
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:42:00 -
[847] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Kate stark wrote:you've missed the point again.
ccp secretly handing any group of players a bunch of isk for any reason is unacceptable. tell me i'm wrong, i dare you. Like the Alliance Tournament prizes? Your wrong, and I do not say that because I'm afraid of the inevitable war-dec I would otherwise get from Pandemic Legion, Hydra and VoC when, due to a player outcry, CCP have to take back all their prizes.
Did you just compare a tournament requiring skill having a prize to a racket for the stupid being given hacks? Its official you're absolutely brain dead. |
Malthuras
Chaotic Distortion
0
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:42:00 -
[848] - Quote
CCP you are seriously getting beyond stupid, and the community deserves an answer for this dumb move. Looks like you're about to have another jita protest incoming. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2327
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:43:00 -
[849] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Kate stark wrote:you've missed the point again.
ccp secretly handing any group of players a bunch of isk for any reason is unacceptable. tell me i'm wrong, i dare you. Like the Alliance Tournament prizes? Your wrong, and I do not say that because I'm afraid of the inevitable war-dec I would otherwise get from Pandemic Legion, Hydra and VoC when, due to a player outcry, CCP have to take back all their prizes.
CCP don't hand pick a particular corporation and secretly hand them prizes in the AT
Who the AT prizes go to is entirely dictated by the players themselves - it is their organisation into alliances, their practice, their tactics, even their spying and meta-gaming that decide the outcome. It isn't ccp going "hey I like you guys, heres hundreds of billions of isk"
are you trolling or do you seriously not see the difference |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:45:00 -
[850] - Quote
Quote: your absolutely brain dead
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Din Chao
361
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:45:00 -
[851] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Kate stark wrote:you've missed the point again.
ccp secretly handing any group of players a bunch of isk for any reason is unacceptable. tell me i'm wrong, i dare you. Like the Alliance Tournament prizes? Secret and selected vs. announced and won. It's very simple and you're very dense. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
553
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:46:00 -
[852] - Quote
No, he's not trolling. He's a product of the American education system. Because quite honestly only our country could produce someone so profoundly proud of their own ignorance. |
Kate stark
316
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:48:00 -
[853] - Quote
governments shut down, and all hell breaks loose? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
96
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:51:00 -
[854] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No, he's not trolling. He's a product of the American education system. Because quite honestly only our country could produce someone so profoundly proud of their own ignorance. The phenomenon of "willful ignorance" is a recent one, but it's fast become well-established here. The people who just shut down our government, for instance, are fervent practitioners. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
72
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:51:00 -
[855] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No, he's not trolling. He's a product of the American education system. Because quite honestly only our country could produce someone so profoundly proud of their own ignorance.
People like Georg Walker B. and Sahrah P., too? :) |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1290
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 12:55:00 -
[856] - Quote
Might as well get my .02 ISK into this argument...
I'll firstly admit what CCP did was wrong, favoritism in anyway isn't cool! BUT, if you look at what was given away /exactly/ what was given away. Then I'll be honest to say all I see is a bunch of kids crying!
If it was a game changing element to a SOV holding corp/alliance/coalition, ok, burn this ****** to the ground! Now sit back and think about it for all of 1 minute, they gave 30 NERFED BSs (same stats as original, different skin, refines into 1 trit.) to a non-combat entity that in NO WAY HAS BEEN PROVEN TO FILTER ISK TO A COMBAT ENTITY AND IS INVOLVED IN RMT! Then people do have a point that they're worth some ISK, that will go down in price with every ship introduced into the game. AND CCP has stated to be doing this more in the future, so the prices will go down even further. But it's not even a game changer with the ISK of the ships. Why? Look at then entity that they were handed to! filthy ******* rich people! I know some SOMER Directors IRL, I can vouch they're not doing any RMT and the amount of ISK they have...this is just a drop in the pond!
I strongly believe that CCP went through all of SOMERS accts with a fine tooth comb. If anything caused a red flag to be raised, this would never happen!
With alot of people doing IRL stuffs for people, and improving the community, which is all cool! Believe you me! They should get something ~cool~ aswell, but I think CCP already has something in the works!
I have to admit, SOMER does alot!
Their site is top notch, they've never ripped off ANYONE! (Looking at you GSF here, even being allies, I get you ******* still trying to rip me off and scam me.) and they always deliver in a insanely fast fashion.
Also, one thing that everyone fails to notice, one simple little thing. CCP can literally do whatever they want with this game and everything inside it! We all agreed and signed to the Terms and Conditions for this game.
Quote:10. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS
B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
WE all agreed to the terms and conditions, which includes this...
TL:DR
- SOMER is a good entity that does alot for the community in the way of donations, and they drive the sale of PLEX! - It's unfair and they showed favoritism to a group with shinys. BUT what the group received and who the group is, it really doesn't bother me the slightest. AND IT IS NOT A GAME CHANGER - CCP can do what they want, by the Terms of Service that we all signed, we said it was OK to do so! (Granted that it's not a game changer in anyway!)
/rant........troll away, this is my .02 ISK and I stand by this and will not be replying! Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1492
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:55:00 -
[857] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No, he's not trolling. He's a product of the American education system. Because quite honestly only our country could produce someone so profoundly proud of their own ignorance.
TEAM AMERICA **** YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Kate stark
316
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:58:00 -
[858] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:If it was a game changing element to a SOV holding corp/alliance/coalition, ok, burn this ****** to the ground!
that's actually exactly the point. if we say it's ok for them to give it to somer that means we, by extension, say it's ok to hand ANYONE isk under the table.
it's not who it was given to, it was how it was done and the slippery slope it represents. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Din Chao
363
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:59:00 -
[859] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:...I don't understand the economy of EVE... Fixed. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:01:00 -
[860] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No, he's not trolling. He's a product of the American education system. Because quite honestly only our country could produce someone so profoundly proud of their own ignorance.
http://goo.gl/LMbMol
http://goo.gl/Mlko5N
http://goo.gl/2pY1sp |
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Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
97
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:01:00 -
[861] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Might as well get my .02 ISK into this argument... . . . /rant........troll away, this is my .02 ISK and I stand by this and will not be replying! There's so much fail here it's hard to know where to start. I'll just say it's dead wrong at 40 different levels and let the rest of the community fill in the details. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
74
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:01:00 -
[862] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:NO WAY HAS BEEN PROVEN TO FILTER ISK TO A COMBAT ENTITY AND IS INVOLVED IN RMT!
Becaus CCP said so? Or did you audit them yourself? Thereby I belive, even CCP didn-¦t a deep audit.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1493
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:06:00 -
[863] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I strongly believe that CCP went through all of SOMERS accts with a fine tooth comb. If anything caused a red flag to be raised, this would never happen!
I dunno what's more hillarious , people being surprised CCP does these ''secret deals'' or the guy above who thinks CCP could not possibly be doing this blindly ....
My 2 cents on the matter , i don't give a toss what they do as i stopped giving a toss about them a long time ago.As long as something doesn't interfere too much with my game and i keep enjoying it then i don't give a damn , the moment this stops i'll just unsub and move on.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
556
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:11:00 -
[864] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Epic fail
Again I ask can CCP do what it wants and retain a paying customer base? I don't think so. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
825
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:13:00 -
[865] - Quote
so much about honesty, but what would you expect from a game where scamming is allowed and favoured... liars dig their own graves, just wait and see... ... |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
99
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:17:00 -
[866] - Quote
The bad news is that CCP surreptitiously gave SOMER Blink Ishukone Scorpions x30. The good news is that CCP just gave me tritanium x30 which (according to CCP) is worth the exact same thing! There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:27:00 -
[867] - Quote
Good to see same old CCP. Favouritism, ruining the sandbox and the extreme ostrich syndrome. They think that if they ignore it players will get less pissy?
Not sure what CCP thinks makes us play EVE but they can be sure that ruining the sandbox with favouritism is not going to bring more players or keep them current ones. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
40
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:27:00 -
[868] - Quote
Still waiting for my titan, which, since you can't refine it, has no in-game value and is in fact less powerful than real titans (erebus, avatar)
#T2013 |
Prince Kobol
980
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:37:00 -
[869] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Might as well get my .02 ISK into this argument... I'll firstly admit what CCP did was wrong, favoritism in anyway isn't cool! BUT, if you look at what was given away /exactly/ what was given away. Then I'll be honest to say all I see is a bunch of kids crying! If it was a game changing element to a SOV holding corp/alliance/coalition, ok, burn this ****** to the ground! Now sit back and think about it for all of 1 minute, they gave 30 NERFED BSs (same stats as original, different skin, refines into 1 trit.) to a non-combat entity that in NO WAY HAS BEEN PROVEN TO FILTER ISK TO A COMBAT ENTITY AND IS INVOLVED IN RMT!Then people do have a point that they're worth some ISK, that will go down in price with every ship introduced into the game. AND CCP has stated to be doing this more in the future, so the prices will go down even further. But it's not even a game changer with the ISK of the ships. Why? Look at then entity that they were handed to! filthy ******* rich people! I know some SOMER Directors IRL, I can vouch they're not doing any RMT and the amount of ISK they have...this is just a drop in the pond! I strongly believe that CCP went through all of SOMERS accts with a fine tooth comb. If anything caused a red flag to be raised, this would never happen! With alot of people doing IRL stuffs for people, and improving the community, which is all cool! Believe you me! They should get something ~cool~ aswell, but I think CCP already has something in the works! I have to admit, SOMER does alot! Their site is top notch, they've never ripped off ANYONE! (Looking at you GSF here, even being allies, I get you ******* still trying to rip me off and scam me.) and they always deliver in a insanely fast fashion. Also, one thing that everyone fails to notice, one simple little thing. CCP can literally do whatever they want with this game and everything inside it! We all agreed and signed to the Terms and Conditions for this game. Quote:10. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS
B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved. WE all agreed to the terms and conditions, which includes this... TL:DR - SOMER is a good entity that does alot for the community in the way of donations, and they drive the sale of PLEX! - It's unfair and they showed favoritism to a group with shinys. BUT what the group received and who the group is, it really doesn't bother me the slightest. AND IT IS NOT A GAME CHANGER- CCP can do what they want, by the Terms of Service that we all signed, we said it was OK to do so! (Granted that it's not a game changer in anyway!) /rant........troll away, this is my .02 ISK and I stand by this and will not be replying!
At what point is it not acceptable to you?
Since you don't believe giving items worth billions of isk is a game changer then I guess a titan or a BPO is also okay.
Also the line about not replying is a kin to a child sticking his fingers in there ears going "nah nah nah"
Very grown up of you. |
Prince Kobol
980
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:39:00 -
[870] - Quote
Literally Space Moses wrote:Still waiting for my titan, which, since you can't refine it, has no in-game value and is in fact less powerful than real titans (erebus, avatar)
#T2013
I'm waiting for my Titan BPO's as apparently being given items that can sell for billions is fine. Also you cant refine a BPO so its even better then a ship :) |
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:48:00 -
[871] - Quote
I'm his bud, gives me stuffs. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2252
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:49:00 -
[872] - Quote
Literally Space Moses wrote:Still waiting for my leviathan, which, since you can't refine it, has no in-game value and is in fact less powerful than real titans (erebus, avatar)
#T2013 lol shield supers
Where's my Faction Erebus CCP? It's not bad because you can't make it, is slightly worse than a normal one, and you can't refine it. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2252
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:53:00 -
[873] - Quote
Still, the best thing to come out of this was CCP Navigator recommending people go join a gambling site and take part in their scheme to get you hooked free credit
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3660752#post3660752 "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
815
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:04:00 -
[874] - Quote
He is telling people how to enter a competition, without paying somer...
Are goons not all about good posting?, i think you are one post closer to getting kicked. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
580
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:10:00 -
[875] - Quote
Still no Avatar. Is it because I'm in Wspace? I can get out and dock up if I need to in order to pickup the worthless titan you're going to give me. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
47
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:20:00 -
[876] - Quote
While I like SOMER Blink, I'm a little confused as to why exactly they are getting unique and expensive in-game rewards for running a site intended for profit. In terms of content the site adds nothing, and I seriously doubt there's anyone who joined EVE because of some 'amazing gambling site'.
Chribba, Rooks and Kings, DaOpa, Goonswarm, PL, EVE Uni, CVA, Mintchip and a lot of other people have done far more to bring people into the game and retain them than any gambling site in existence, and I would honestly expect those people/organisations to be higher in the pipeline for rewards. It's all very strange (and no, I'm not subscribing to a conspiracy theory for once).
But anyway yeah, honestly give RnK a fleet of them - I'd love to see what they could do with them in an organised fleet. |
Ivana Hugnkiss
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:44:00 -
[877] - Quote
CCP has the right to do what they want with their own game and they can ignore the immense displeasure that's coming from their player base, but one thing they can't ignore is their bottom line.
All accounts canceled. Reason given was "favoritism is bad". |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
101
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:51:00 -
[878] - Quote
Tilly Delnero wrote:While I like SOMER Blink, I'm a little confused as to why exactly they are getting unique and expensive in-game rewards for running a site intended for profit. In terms of content the site adds nothing, and I seriously doubt there's anyone who joined EVE because of some 'amazing gambling site'. Chribba, Rooks and Kings, DaOpa, Goonswarm, PL, EVE Uni, CVA, Mintchip and a lot of other people have done far more to bring people into the game and retain them than any gambling site in existence, and I would honestly expect those people/organisations to be higher in the pipeline for rewards. It's all very strange (and no, I'm not subscribing to a conspiracy theory for once). But anyway yeah, honestly give RnK a fleet of them - I'd love to see what they could do with them in an organised fleet. CCP always has a choice in promotions such as these. They could run it at the "people's" level in the form of a lottery with an even playing field, instead of bonusing already-rich money-making enterprises. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Arec Bardwin
1132
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:59:00 -
[879] - Quote
dexington wrote:He is telling people how to enter a competition, without paying somer... And lying in the process, as you have to pay to play.
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2013.10.06 15:43:00 -
[880] - Quote
dexington wrote:He is telling people how to enter a competition, without paying somer... Are goons not all about good posting?, i think you are one post closer to getting kicked. In order to play promo blink (free one) you had to play at least one not free blink in the last 48 hours. So how is it entering competition without paying somer exactly?
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
362
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Posted - 2013.10.06 15:44:00 -
[881] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend. So what it's the weekend, my buisness doesn't close on the weekend and neither does this one, all it needs is a Yep they got those ships given to them, we'll get back to you on monday with a full response post or No it's not true, you all fell for a troll post. yeah just because the business doesn't close, doesn't mean the person with the authority to comment on the situation works weekends. i don't believe i'm having to explain this kind of thing to people.
Lol seriously, there is at least one person at work with the ability to see if it is a troll or not, it's just they not want to say anything at this time until everyone has had a chance to work out what form of damage control they will do this time......
I don't believe I need to explain this kind of thing to you..... |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
430
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Posted - 2013.10.06 15:53:00 -
[882] - Quote
Still waiting for my fancy ship in redeem box to appear,otherwise below quote is best way to show our respect to CCP and their shenanigans .
Ivana Hugnkiss wrote:CCP has the right to do what they want with their own game and they can ignore the immense displeasure that's coming from their player base, but one thing they can't ignore is their bottom line.
All accounts canceled. Reason given was "favoritism is bad".
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
105
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:22:00 -
[883] - Quote
dexington wrote:He is telling people how to enter a competition, without paying somer... Are goons not all about good posting?, i think you are one post closer to getting kicked. He's giving them exclusive PR.
Blatant favoritism of real value.
Let me guess, you're a SomerSuckerGäó too?
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
816
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:24:00 -
[884] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:dexington wrote:He is telling people how to enter a competition, without paying somer... Are goons not all about good posting?, i think you are one post closer to getting kicked. In order to play promo blink (free one) you had to play at least one not free blink in the last 48 hours. So how is it entering competition without paying somer exactly?
I'm not sure if it works without any deposits, but i use the milestone gifts for playing, i got 25M last time i logged in. Personally i buy GTC using somer because it's cheaper then buying from ccp, which gives 200M for free.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
RAW23
264
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:33:00 -
[885] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Might as well get my .02 ISK into this argument...
I'll firstly admit what CCP did was wrong, favoritism in anyway isn't cool! BUT, if you look at what was given away /exactly/ what was given away. Then I'll be honest to say all I see is a bunch of kids crying!
If it was a game changing element to a SOV holding corp/alliance/coalition, ok, burn this ****** to the ground! Now sit back and think about it for all of 1 minute, they gave 30 NERFED BSs (same stats as original, different skin, refines into 1 trit.) to a non-combat entity that in NO WAY HAS BEEN PROVEN TO FILTER ISK TO A COMBAT ENTITY AND IS INVOLVED IN RMT!
Not sure why you are focusing on connections to combat entities. The fact that the item is not great in combat is irrelevant. Power is exercised in this game through various means and one of the non-combat spheres is the economy. Handing out 500billion isk to an organisation is a major economic boost and gives those players extra leverage in the field of economic PvP. It is not the case that only favouritism to nullsec power blocs matters. As someone who has mainly focused on the business side of the eve game and who sees all other eve businesses as competitors, I find the fact that CCP is giving significant economic boosts to their favourite business just as disturbing as if they were giving significant strategic advantages to their favourite null-sec power bloc. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
215
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:33:00 -
[886] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Now sit back and think about it for all of 1 minute, they gave 30 NERFED BSs (same stats as original, different skin, refines into 1 trit.) to a non-combat entity that in NO WAY HAS BEEN PROVEN TO FILTER ISK TO A COMBAT ENTITY AND IS INVOLVED IN RMT!
Bolding and capitalizing a statement makes it true obviously. But apart from that: Why would anyone entertain a for-profit gambling site in Eve? What possible reasons could there be? Now sit back and think about it. Because after blinging out your PVE Marauder there aren't many single player options to spend isk, so you either: a) Have alts or friends in "combat entities", or b) RMT. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1333
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 16:34:00 -
[887] - Quote
i like somer blink dont care its a for profit website... but it seems alot of people are butthurt over them getting some shiny station spining toys... perhaps in the future CCP can give them some free RL merchandice like the guritas hoodie... maybe people will be less upset or hurt (i bet thats the real reason cribbs is upset cuss he runs eve offline and stuff like that which has had a much bigger impact on the game but did not get his free scorp... so he is more then likely why them and not me... which is totally reasonable) There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1333
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 16:36:00 -
[888] - Quote
ok i think i figured it out but this thread is a stealth nerf ECM thread right? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
306
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:40:00 -
[889] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:ok i think i figured it out but this thread is a stealth nerf ECM thread right?
Damn dude, you cracked it! |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
77
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:41:00 -
[890] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:ok i think i figured it out but this thread is a stealth nerf Highsec thread right?
FYP |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:50:00 -
[891] - Quote
Danny S wrote:i just wonder why they try'd to keep it secret
Gee I wonder that too... what problem could anyone possibly have with this. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
391
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:54:00 -
[892] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:i like somer blink dont care its a for profit website... but it seems alot of people are butthurt over them getting some shiny station spining toys... perhaps in the future CCP can give them some free RL merchandice like the guritas hoodie... maybe people will be less upset or hurt (i bet thats the real reason cribbs is upset cuss he runs eve offline and stuff like that which has had a much bigger impact on the game but did not get his free scorp... so he is more then likely why them and not me... which is totally reasonable)
Actually if they wanted to reward Somer employees that is exactly what they should have done. RL goods like hoodies and Rifter USB hubs do not impact the sandbox. Giving an in game corp and its employees billions of free stuff does. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
108
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 16:56:00 -
[893] - Quote
mentalkiller wrote:But you ban people for buying ISK from ISK Farmers?
At least ISK farmers really earned the ISK by playing all day ISK farmers are subscribers. Somer is a parasite. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
310
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:57:00 -
[894] - Quote
dexington wrote:Red Templar wrote:dexington wrote:He is telling people how to enter a competition, without paying somer... Are goons not all about good posting?, i think you are one post closer to getting kicked. In order to play promo blink (free one) you had to play at least one not free blink in the last 48 hours. So how is it entering competition without paying somer exactly? I'm not sure if it works without any deposits, but i use the milestone gifts for playing, i got 25M last time i logged in. Personally i buy GTC using somer because it's cheaper then buying from ccp, which gives 200M for free. It does not work without deposits. You have to play once, and you cannot play without credit, and you dont get achievement without playing. You have to at least deposit once or buy GTC through them. You have to give them isk or buy GTC. not exactly free. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2063
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 16:59:00 -
[895] - Quote
Chribba wrote:So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm*
/c
Secrecy and SOMER's business model are what smells bad in this issue.
And CCP's ability to shoot its own foot with absolute lack of good sense is amazing. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Prince Kobol
989
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:02:00 -
[896] - Quote
Xaen wrote:mentalkiller wrote:But you ban people for buying ISK from ISK Farmers?
At least ISK farmers really earned the ISK by playing all day ISK farmers are subscribers. Somer is a parasite.
Why is Somer a parasite?
Somer is a business, plain and simple.
It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is.
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Prince Kobol
989
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:03:00 -
[897] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Chribba wrote:So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm*
/c Secrecy and SOMER's business model are what smells bad in this issue. And CCP's ability to shoot its own foot with absolute lack of good sense is amazing.
Again there is nothing wrong with Somers business model.
If anything it has a great business model otherwise it wouldn't have been operating for as long as it has.
The issue is not with Somer but CCP. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16825
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:04:00 -
[898] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Why is Somer a parasite?
Somer is a business, plain and simple.
It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is that CCP pretends it is something else.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1333
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 17:05:00 -
[899] - Quote
Xaen wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:MeBiatch wrote:i like somer blink dont care its a for profit website... but it seems alot of people are butthurt over them getting some shiny station spining toys... perhaps in the future CCP can give them some free RL merchandice like the guritas hoodie... maybe people will be less upset or hurt (i bet thats the real reason cribbs is upset cuss he runs eve offline and stuff like that which has had a much bigger impact on the game but did not get his free scorp... so he is more then likely why them and not me... which is totally reasonable) Actually if they wanted to reward Somer employees that is exactly what they should have done. RL goods like hoodies and Rifter USB hubs do not impact the sandbox. Giving an in game corp and its employees billions of free stuff does. No. This is still favoritism. All favoritism is bad.
are you like a middle child or sometihng?
I can agree that ingame items can and are bad but not out of game items... if ccp wants to give someone a free coffee mug let them. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Prince Kobol
989
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:05:00 -
[900] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Why is Somer a parasite?
Somer is a business, plain and simple.
It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is that CCP pretends it is something else.
How is that any fault of Somers?
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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
111
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:07:00 -
[901] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xaen wrote:mentalkiller wrote:But you ban people for buying ISK from ISK Farmers?
At least ISK farmers really earned the ISK by playing all day ISK farmers are subscribers. Somer is a parasite. Why is Somer a parasite? Somer is a business, plain and simple. It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. All gambling is a parasite on people who do not understand gambling/probability. In this case, CCP, and the portion of the EVE playerbase that failed to realize that it is a scam/gambling. This does not inherently make somer any worse than any other scammer. The problem began when CCP fell for it, failed to recognize it for a scam, and then quarupled down (more gambling) instead of quitting. The only way to "win" at gambling is to not play. CCP refuses to not play and is therefore losing very, very badly, at the expense of numerous bittervet subs. Mine included, The Second Decade Collector's edition I already bought not withstanding.
If you think somer is not a scam, read the following until it sinks in that it is in fact a scam:
http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. GÇö Mark Twain I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16828
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:07:00 -
[902] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Prince Kobol
989
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:11:00 -
[903] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely.
The OP did : :) |
sally Deninard
mss industry
53
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:11:00 -
[904] - Quote
I like some of the email that was sent.
Sent 2013.08.20 02:42
"I will be providing a list of employees and each one will be recieving an Ishukone Watch Scorpion of their own, direct from CCP. I don`t know exactly how they appear. I think they go into your redemption system."
Lets not mess about, these ships were a reward to individual players with a huge market value (at the time) before the Eve vegas lottery was fixed up. There is no intent to lottery off these items.
"Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship. 30 of them all appearing at once would be wierd"
Pretty much confirming that the gifts are an isk donation to individual players, but asking them not to spook the market.... classy..
"If you want to sell it and don`t have a buyer in mind , please use a lower-profile alt if you would, and wait a little while. This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn`t directly map to anything they have done in the past"
Somer admitting that this is not standard practice and asking recipients to use discretion. Rule no1... If it sounds dodgy ... it`s dodgy...
But here`s the best bit "Navigator has already offered to promote our events in the future."
Lol
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2334
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:11:00 -
[905] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Why is Somer a parasite?
Somer is a business, plain and simple.
It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is.
The problem is CCP are directly interfering in order to boost that business, while ignoring the fact that it is, indeed, a business and should therefore have to compete legitimately against all other businesses.
People wouldn't be terribly bothered about non-business entities being promoted, and they perhaps wouldn't be terribly bothered if businesses like somer were given some kind of acknowledgement that doesn't directly benefit their business at the detriment of other businesses - something like giving them a high five, or even sending them a little rifter model, or whatever. That's on the line of acceptable.
But directly stepping in to spawn things for their business to use in competition against other businesses, and deliberately excluding the csm from such decisions, and doing even more extra things to directly help those players and their business in total secrecy?
It is indefensible
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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
111
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:12:00 -
[906] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Why is Somer a parasite?
Somer is a business, plain and simple.
It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is that CCP pretends it is something else. How is that any fault of Somers? They deliberately preyed upon CCP Navigator who is behaving like a senile septuagenarian falling for scams. This is not inherently any worse than any other scammer.
CCP are the ones really at fault here. Which is why I'm so mad.
Somer is just a scam. CCP is just another mark. The only problem with that is their GODLIKE POWERS OVER THE SANDBOX. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
111
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:13:00 -
[907] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote: It is indefensible
Truth. The only way to fix this is to publicly declare - though the same channels they've already given Somer free marketing - that somer is just a scam, and take back all in-game items that they unfairly awarded them.
Favoritism is favoritism. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
111
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:14:00 -
[908] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:I like some of the email that was sent. Sent 2013.08.20 02:42 "I will be providing a list of employees and each one will be recieving an Ishukone Watch Scorpion of their own, direct from CCP. I don`t know exactly how they appear. I think they go into your redemption system." Lets not mess about, these ships were a reward to individual players with a huge market value (at the time) before the Eve vegas lottery was fixed up. There is no intent to lottery off these items. "Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship. 30 of them all appearing at once would be wierd" Pretty much confirming that the gifts are an isk donation to individual players, but asking them not to spook the market.... classy.. "If you want to sell it and don`t have a buyer in mind , please use a lower-profile alt if you would, and wait a little while. This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn`t directly map to anything they have done in the past" Somer admitting that this is not standard practice and asking recipients to use discretion. Rule no1... If it sounds dodgy ... it`s dodgy... But here`s the best bit "Navigator has already offered to promote our events in the future." Lol Exactly as classy as lobbyists bribing congressmen! I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2062
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:17:00 -
[909] - Quote
Xaen wrote:Exactly as classy as lobbyists bribing congressmen! Except in this case it's congressmen wandering blindly over to dumbfounded lobbyists with a wheelbarrow full of cash and asking for no returns except secrecy. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:21:00 -
[910] - Quote
I don't understand why people are upset.
Sure giving almost a trillion isks worth of ships to random players is a totally ******** thing to do. Of cause then trying to keep it a secret is one of the dumbest things you can do.
The thing is, this is CCP, what do you expect? They have always helped out their friends in game either through mechanics or just plain cheating. We have to expect it rather than be shocked by it.
Maybe Hilmar will give us all a pair of Japanese $1000 jeans to make up for it. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1334
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:24:00 -
[911] - Quote
Chamile Eonic wrote:I don't understand why people are upset.
Sure giving almost a trillion isks worth of ships to random players is a totally ******** thing to do. Of cause then trying to keep it a secret is one of the dumbest things you can do.
The thing is, this is CCP, what do you expect? They have always helped out their friends in game either through mechanics or just plain cheating. We have to expect it rather than be shocked by it.
Maybe Hilmar will give us all a pair of Japanese $1000 jeans to make up for it.
i would be happy if they let me have one buy order from the eve store with shipping and handling waived... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1287
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 17:31:00 -
[912] - Quote
http://evealopalous.com gives you a free spin for isk everyday with no strings attached. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
115
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:33:00 -
[913] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:Xaen wrote:Exactly as classy as lobbyists bribing congressmen! Except in this case it's congressmen wandering blindly over to dumbfounded lobbyists with a wheelbarrow full of cash and asking for no returns except secrecy. This is more correct than what I said. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it. |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:40:00 -
[914] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend. So what it's the weekend, my buisness doesn't close on the weekend and neither does this one, all it needs is a Yep they got those ships given to them, we'll get back to you on monday with a full response post or No it's not true, you all fell for a troll post. yeah just because the business doesn't close, doesn't mean the person with the authority to comment on the situation works weekends. i don't believe i'm having to explain this kind of thing to people. Lol seriously, there is at least one person at work with the ability to see if it is a troll or not, it's just they not want to say anything at this time until everyone has had a chance to work out what form of damage control they will do this time...... I don't believe I need to explain this kind of thing to you.....
and do you let all of your staff order stock just because they can go out back and check if you've run out of paperclips or something? bet you don't! Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1008
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:49:00 -
[915] - Quote
The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Prince Kobol
990
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:52:00 -
[916] - Quote
Xaen wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Why is Somer a parasite?
Somer is a business, plain and simple.
It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is that CCP pretends it is something else. How is that any fault of Somers? They deliberately preyed upon CCP Navigator who is behaving like a senile septuagenarian falling for scams. This is not inherently any worse than any other scammer. CCP are the ones really at fault here. Which is why I'm so mad. Somer is just a scam. CCP is just another mark. The only problem with that is their GODLIKE POWERS OVER THE SANDBOX.
Lmao.. really.. preyed upon CCP Navigator .. this has to be the funniest post of the year |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:54:00 -
[917] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme.
and how does that address the issue? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5969
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:58:00 -
[918] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :) Where? My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1008
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:59:00 -
[919] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. and how does that address the issue?
No blink, no favoritism, no rare BS handed out? :D This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16830
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:00:00 -
[920] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :) No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Yhor Pita
13
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:03:00 -
[921] - Quote
How much ISK can I get if I make incredibly moronic replies in defense of what CCP has done? I mean seriously, there can be no other legitimate reason to defend taking a dump in the sandbox everyone is playing in.
No matter the amount of ISK, I'm not sure I'd want to project that amount of stupidity onto myself.
... or are people really capable of being stupid enough to think what CCP has done here is 'right'? |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:07:00 -
[922] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:Kate stark wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. and how does that address the issue? No blink, no favoritism, no rare BS handed out? :D
no blink, ccp still giving **** to people under the table, issue still exists.
blink, other than being the recipients of an under the table gift are actually irrelevant. who the gift was to means absolutely nothing. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2338
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:10:00 -
[923] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme.
I think the actual answer to this is don't play EVE.
Somer is what it is. More power to somer for starting a successful gambling thing that people throw money at.
CCP directly spawning things for the individuals involved? CCP directly spawning things and letting somer have exclusive control over the distribution of these prizes (including allowing somer to ban people at their discretion)?
I have four words for that
"c ya later, shitlords" |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1592
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:12:00 -
[924] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :) No. Regarding fault, I don't think SOMER staff were wrong in taking what they were entitled to when it was offered by CCP. Nor would they be at fault for keeping something secret upon CCP's request.
The fault lies with CCP. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1287
|
Posted - 2013.10.06 18:19:00 -
[925] - Quote
As a special promotion, for every player of my game in bio who puts "Ishukone Watch" in the message field when sending isk will be entered into a drawing to win a free one. You can enter as many times as you wish, following the isk doubling rules in my bio.
Good Luck! See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
196
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:24:00 -
[926] - Quote
In business ethics you are expected to reject any gifts or contracts ttht may create even a perception of bias or conflict of interest. In this way it is not unreasonable to expect Somer to turn down gifts.
They clearly engage in in secretive business practices and encouraged their employees to maintain secrecy. That being said, if Somer is unethical that is their choice as they are an EVE business and no one is required to keep patronizing them.
It is up to individuals to decide they feel it is okay for ccp to have Somer in ttheir back pocket and if this should affect their patronization of their site.
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Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
94
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:25:00 -
[927] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites.
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
199
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:35:00 -
[928] - Quote
Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites.
Question:
If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud them for their selfless sacrifice? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16831
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:39:00 -
[929] - Quote
Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. It doesn't really matter if it was before or after. They're still lying.
The claim that GÇ£[t]he Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levelsGÇ¥ is pure history revisionism. In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away.
Only much later, when they figured that they needed some kind of special-issue ship to hand out as a promo reward for people attending expos and conventions, they hauled it out of storage because, hey, what's the easiest way to create a new ship? Why, to not create a new ship at all, of course, but to re-use a ship that had lost its original purpose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2064
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:40:00 -
[930] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. Question: If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud then for their selfless sacrifice?
GREED IS GOOD. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
45
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:41:00 -
[931] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. Question: If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud them for their selfless sacrifice?
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1392
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:49:00 -
[932] - Quote
I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. This is not a signature. |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:53:00 -
[933] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so.
wasn't that the response last time? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
210
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:55:00 -
[934] - Quote
My thoughts on Ripard's post on the matter:
http://c-z.me/conflictofinterest www.crossingzebras.com |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:55:00 -
[935] - Quote
If you've read their responses to third-party sites, that's their response this time too. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:57:00 -
[936] - Quote
Quote: In business ethics you are expected to reject any gifts or contracts that may create even a perception of bias or conflict of interest.
ethics? there are laws for such things, if an employee hands out or receives and accepts any gifts it is considered as a bribe and he is fired, in CCP he is hired
ah nvm thought you were talking about a single case..
edit: don't want anyone fired just correcting |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1392
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:06:00 -
[937] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time?
Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses.
I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first. This is not a signature. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4723
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:16:00 -
[938] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time? Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses. I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first. it works, ccp ~does what it wants~ There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:20:00 -
[939] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time? Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses. I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first. it works, ccp ~does what it wants~
1) inform CSM 2) continue with give-away regardless of CSM feedback 3) get confused about inevitable fallout and say "but we told the csm, guys?" Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
78
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:20:00 -
[940] - Quote
A short quote from Ripard himself at his blog:
Quote:Yes, it's been verified by CCP Navigator. Even before that had happened, I could have told you it was true. I knew about two other situations where CCP had gifted community leaders with iScorps.
So he as member of CSM did know of this affair before and didn-¦t tell about it? Was it under NDA? You know, the three letters he hides behind all the time?
Please tell us about the other incidents. Or are you involved in them, like in SCL? |
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adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:32:00 -
[941] - Quote
What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
155
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:36:00 -
[942] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:The most important thing is still not answered, how in the world is this not "favoritism". I think there a very big gap of logic here that CCP navigator is still not addressing. Somer is not a totally independent third party, what they do outside of EVE, affects the game directly. I don't see the problem in encouraging third party applications that don't directly give their creators in game advantages such as EFT, EVE board, Pyfa, EVEMON etc... But clearly that is not the case here. ANd using the SCL as a counter example also doesn't hold any credence, as the SCL do what they do for 0 in game profits. Just answer this question, didn't SOMER directly or indirectly gain a lot of in game isk, was it through more traffic or direct profits, from the interference of CCP? The clear answer here is yes and shouldn't be allowed for any reason or justification whatsoever. I still don't understand how this is still not addressed. On another note, a quote from your "policies", "We will not authorize or otherwise sanction the use of any third party software. The End User License Agreement and Terms of Service are clear on this subject:"taken from http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/What are you doing here is not only sactioning but encouraging the use of 3rd party software hereby breaking your own rules. Not very clear is it? This is really a big clusterfuck. Can we have CCP Sreegs back now?
From another thread that got closed |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:36:00 -
[943] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:In business ethics you are expected to reject any gifts or contracts that may create even a perception of bias or conflict of interest. In this way it is not unreasonable to expect Somer to turn down gifts.
They (Somer) clearly engage in secretive business practices and encouraged their employees to maintain secrecy. That being said, if Somer is unethical that is their choice as they are an EVE business and no one is required to keep patronizing them.
It is up to individuals to decide they feel it is okay for somer to accept trillions in isk from ccp and if this should affect their patronization of their site.
Except of course when players ARE required to use somer if they wish to have a chance at content CCP hands solely to somer
and thats a big part of the problem |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1593
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:38:00 -
[944] - Quote
adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? I wouldn't expect them to respond on the weekend. But someone at CCP spoke to a blog:
Quote:An EVE Online spokesman responds that GÇ£The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purpose GÇö a promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, GÇÿthanksGÇÖ and more.GÇ¥
Additionally, despite this spacecraftGÇÖs unique skin, it is GÇ£actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only one Tritanium GÇö so it is little more than a hangar ornament.GÇ¥ The reason itGÇÖs in-game price is so high because of the craftGÇÖs current rarity. GÇ£Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE.GÇ¥
Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been GÇ£carefully noted,GÇ¥ and the game is GÇ£looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community.GÇ¥
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/10/eve-players-decry-favoritism-as-select-few-get-a-20000-spaceship/
And CCP Manifest spoke to TMC:
Quote:We did end up giving Ishukone Ships away to SOMER's people as a "thanks" (as per the email) in a similar manner to our previous issuances of the ship. It's always been meant to be a promo item--for awards, rewards, charity-based efforts, promo items and more. The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events.
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:39:00 -
[945] - Quote
adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning?
Maybe Somer threw them a party and everyone's still hung over.
All joking aside, who knows, maybe they are taking the weekend off to play the game or do whatever it is they do in their free time. I'm sure we'll hear something by Monday. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:48:00 -
[946] - Quote
My main problem with this is that somer operate primarily for their own in-game (and out of game, even) profit. They are not like EVE Uni, or RvB, or Chribba, or countless others who operate solely for helping the community and providing cool things.
They operate for their own profit, and they compete with numerous other people who do similar things for profit
and CCP directly gifts them things, and gives them exclusive control over content, etc.
It's a bad thing. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5970
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:54:00 -
[947] - Quote
Tippia wrote:In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. I believe you, but could I get a source for this? My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1392
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:54:00 -
[948] - Quote
adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning?
Say as little as possible.
Gather the facts.
Decide course of action, really sorry, tough it out etc.
Respond. This is not a signature. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
940
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:55:00 -
[949] - Quote
Ripard Teg post is a disgrace, what a joke of a CSM, the guy must have taken LSD suppositorys... The Tears Must Flow |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:02:00 -
[950] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Ripard Teg post is a disgrace, what a joke of a CSM, the guy must have taken LSD suppositorys...
no you don't understand, it's no big deal when a CCP dev secretly spawns hundreds of billions of isk worth of items for an in game entity, so long as that entity provides some kind of content
by that logic of course, spawning T2 bpos for BoB is justifiable because BoB created content - I mean think about it. Lots of players were in BoB and logged on to do stuff within BoB. Lots of players logged in to fight against BoB - in open combat, in spying, in meta-gaming, etc. All of that content BoB created. It's totally fine if CCP directly spawn things for them because think of all the stories, all the events, etc that happened because of BoB
Similarly, goonswarm are about to be handed their own unique moon goo type. It's totally ok because they create content that the many many players want to take part in |
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Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
50
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:03:00 -
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As I said in a previous post, CCP can run their game how they want. I don't even care if CCP wish to give out a ship of their choice to "deserving" individuals. Now this is just my opinion, and mine only: If CCP wishes to do something such as this in the name of "community", then let the community decide on who receives the gifts.
You have only to look at the isk revenue (and the link to plex sales) on the SOMER Blink site to realize why CCP have given them special attention. CCP, no doubt, make a ton of rl cash generated from plex sales, because of SOMER Blink addiction.
Secondly, giving these ships away secretly does have a large impact in-game on an individual basis. Imagine that collector buying such a ship for 20Bill only to find out, CCP had secretly seeded an extra 40% and the true worth was 12bill. OK, you could say, it's always bad to speculate on such items, and that would be correct....but in one fail swoop that collector had been put out of pocket from forces and decisions totally out of his control...by people who he pays a monthly subscription to (probably with rl money), to create a game that is not only fun but a level playing field for all to enjoy!!
Look at it another way....I defy anybody who would deny that 20bill being given to them, wouldn't change their game...no matter if it was given as an in-game asset, game time, plex etc. I know my game would change with such a windfall.
Who remembers CCP's video the Butterfly Effect a few years ago? The big selling point was, how just you in your little Rifter can have an effect on the whole Universe. Imagine what 20bill could do for that individual!!
My apologies, I seem to be going away from my main point - this was done secretly. When things are done secretly, it arouses suspicion. As a member of the community, I ask CCP:
1. If this give away was done in the name of community, why was SOMER Blink chosen above somebody like Chribba....or EVEMon....or EFT...The Big Lottery etc, etc?
2. Why was it deemed that such a gift was kept secret, knowing that it would effect market speculation of those not in the know. It is clear from Somer's in-game mail that everybody was aware that such a gift would have in-game impact. If there was nothing wrong in the gift, why be so cloak and dagger about offloading them into the market?....maybe that question is more for Somer
3. Why aren't CCP being transparent about these things, like Hilmar said they would be so many times before?
4. How many CCP employees does it take to change a light bulb? Please tell, because I'm starting to wonder!! "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Kate stark
321
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:03:00 -
[952] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:no you don't understand, it's no big deal when a CCP dev secretly spawns hundreds of billions of isk worth of items for an in game entity, so long as that entity provides some kind of content
or if they're ripard's buddies? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
78
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:15:00 -
[953] - Quote
Quote:actually, to be fair, the SCL guys do deserve the scorpions. still, the association doesn't help ripard's argument.
And why is it done secretly, too?
Something stinks like hell in the whole affair... |
Kate stark
322
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:16:00 -
[954] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Quote:actually, to be fair, the SCL guys do deserve the scorpions. still, the association doesn't help ripard's argument. And why is it done secretly, too? Something stinks like hell in the whole affair...
indeed, surely the point of the scorpions would be "hey guys, we think these guys have done something really cool so we're giving them scorpions. check them out, we think you'll like what they do" Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Din Chao
364
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:20:00 -
[955] - Quote
adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? All of CCP is on holiday together in Turkey. No, I'm not kidding. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1394
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:26:00 -
[956] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:no you don't understand, it's no big deal when a CCP dev secretly spawns hundreds of billions of isk worth of items for an in game entity, so long as that entity provides some kind of content or if they're ripard's buddies? "What Teg doesnGÇÖt disclose in his post is that his corpmates have also been recipients of CCPGÇÖs secret generosity." ~ Source, for what it's worth. actually, to be fair, the SCL guys do deserve the scorpions. still, the association doesn't help ripard's argument.
I have just read Ripard's blog.
Dear Lord, how can one person get it so wrong?
For your information Ripard, I am not jealous.
I do not want CCP to gift me, or anyone else in the game, free, secret or otherwise, stuff, unless it is something like a Barbie outfit, which cannot be sold, traded, reprocessed or given to another player. That should cover it This is not a signature. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
270
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:29:00 -
[957] - Quote
Removed post about politics. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1334
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:40:00 -
[958] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. It doesn't really matter if it was before or after. They're still lying. The claim that GÇ£[t]he Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levelsGÇ¥ is pure history revisionism. In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. Only much later, when they figured that they needed some kind of special-issue ship to hand out as a promo reward for people attending expos and conventions, they hauled it out of storage because, hey, what's the easiest way to create a new ship? Why, to not create a new ship at all, of course, but to re-use a ship that had lost its original purpose.
so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store?
cool. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:48:00 -
[959] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not want CCP to gift me, or anyone else in the game, free, secret or otherwise, stuff, unless it is something like a Barbie outfit, which cannot be sold, traded, reprocessed or given to another player. That should cover it This is essentially the real issue in a nutshell, well put. Honestly I couldn't give a fig about what happens on TQ since I quit it for Sisi after Odyssey, but I can see why this would get peoples' blood boiling. Even if they 'only' sell for 5-10b each, that's a lot of PLEX (and in turn, real money) that is gifted to specific players by CCP that gives them an in-game advantage over others. How couldn't this be interpreted as a form of favouritism or in-game manipulation?
Personally I think it's much more likely just a poorly thought-out PR stunt, but the conspiracy theories are understandable. |
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:48:00 -
[960] - Quote
There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves. |
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Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:54:00 -
[961] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? Say as little as possible. Gather the facts. Decide course of action, really sorry, tough it out etc. Respond.
They've already made several statements to various web sites, they're just refusing to issue a statement to the players. Probably think if they avoid it it'll go away. #T2013 |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:58:00 -
[962] - Quote
Tao Dolcino wrote:There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves.
I don't necessarily believe this. The CSM is a great idea, but I have to question just how much CCP actually values their opinion. Someone brought up the idea of this Scorp scandal being a huge publicity stunt; I can't help but wonder if the CSM is as well (no offense to the CSM, of course).
Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1335
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:03:00 -
[963] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. I believe you, but could I get a source for this?
i remember reading about this too. thats why early in the thread i mentioned that if the NeX store had not caused so much controversy that we would have had these ships around Christmas 2011.
Though i think it was in a blog talking about the NeX store or some leadup to the actual release of Incarna... cannot pin it down... but i do remember it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
199
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:12:00 -
[964] - Quote
Well, isn't this interesting.
Back in the day some dev gave free stuff to a major nullsec alliance. Pretty sure that guy got fired. So... are CCP going to fire themselves now or how does this work? We go to Iceland and take over? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16835
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:15:00 -
[965] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. I believe you, but could I get a source for this? OoofGǪ it's buried in a post about the (in)capabilities of the NeX in one of the bajillion threads on the old forums from 2011 that discusses it and/or the introduction of the IshuScorp. At this point, I don't even remember which dev said it. I don't even think they used any of the nice catchwords (like GǣsingletonGǥ) that would help narrow it down.
My google fu is not strong enough to separate all possible dev posts out of a general query aimed at the old forum url.
MeBiatch wrote:so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store? No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4724
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:18:00 -
[966] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves. I don't necessarily believe this. The CSM is a great idea, but I have to question just how much CCP actually values their opinion. Someone brought up the idea of this Scorp scandal being a huge publicity stunt; I can't help but wonder if the CSM is as well (no offense to the CSM, of course). No, the "gold magnate" was the publicity stunt
The scorpions were some backdoor giveaway
The leak was TMC catching someone doing a backdoor giveaway
The csm is supposed to run interference and provide cover. except sometimes people don't seem willing to throw themselves into the fire to help ccp avoid some burns There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1299
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:18:00 -
[967] - Quote
Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4724
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:20:00 -
[968] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay. only if he can keep it more secret than the somer scorpion giveaways There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
150
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:28:00 -
[969] - Quote
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1299
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:30:00 -
[970] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay. only if he can keep it more secret than the somer scorpion giveaways
I just figured iceland was a socialist country or something, so the labor folks may fight for his job back along with all the money he would have earned had he worked. Years ago I worked in a union company. A guy was fired because a manager walked by and saw an alcoholic beverage on the guy's lunch receipt that was sitting on his desk. Anyway, the union fought for his job and won. This guy ended up getting backpay for like a year and a half that he did not work. Futhermore, it was counted as though he would have worked every overtime hour offered. It was a $10 an hour job and this guy got $45k out of it. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
199
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:35:00 -
[971] - Quote
Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.
Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.
"Greed is good" |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
151
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:38:00 -
[972] - Quote
Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good"
Indeed
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Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
184
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
[973] - Quote
Bischopt wrote:[The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.
"Greed is good"
Which means : they are ready to destroy the game for a short term profit. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4726
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
[974] - Quote
Xtreem wrote:Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good" Indeed New players, huh.
So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1335
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
[975] - Quote
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store? No.
well there goes my attempt at being facetious.
though there is a certain Irony that something the players never wanted in game due to the NeX store ended up being an item people would be willing to pay upwards of 15 billion for and then raging that they were given out in secrecy as vanity items.
its like two previous CCP derps (t20 and the NeX store) had a baby ... and now we are left with the child of Chucky. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:40:00 -
[976] - Quote
TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. You people must be real fun at parties... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
151
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:43:00 -
[977] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Xtreem wrote:Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good" Indeed New players, huh. So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players?
it is more of the fact they will try anything to sweeten the pot so to speak to get people interested, the uproar would be nothing if it was forthright, but it was underhand and 'old cpp' like.
things need to change.
By all means makes things better for new players, dumping billions onto a 3rd party is not the way to do it, and you know it.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:46:00 -
[978] - Quote
Xtreem wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Xtreem wrote:Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good" Indeed New players, huh. So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players? it is more of the fact they will try anything to sweeten the pot so to speak to get people interested, the uproar would be nothing if it was forthright, but it was underhand and 'old cpp' like. things need to change. By all means makes things better for new players, dumping billions onto a 3rd party is not the way to do it, and you know it.
Billions were not dumped onto a 3rd party. Items were dumped that are made worth billions by the same community who is bitching about said items. If the community suddenly collectively decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Kate stark
324
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:47:00 -
[979] - Quote
guys!
guys!
all publicity is good publicity....
right?! Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16835
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:49:00 -
[980] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you thinkGǪ
MeBiatch wrote:though there is a certain Irony that something the players never wanted in game due to the NeX store ended up being an item people would be willing to pay upwards of 15 billion for and then raging that they were given out in secrecy as vanity items.
its like two previous CCP derps (t20 and the NeX store) had a baby ... and now we are left with the child of Chucky. It's a pretty fine example of how thoroughly awful the NeX and everything surrounding it was GÇö its miscellaneous secretions haunt us to this dayGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
80
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:55:00 -
[981] - Quote
Quote:decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?
Let's say 5 ISK. You eben get 1 Trit when you refine it. |
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:56:00 -
[982] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:
Billions were not dumped onto a 3rd party. Items were dumped that are made worth billions by the same community who is bitching about said items. If the community suddenly collectively decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?
But they're not worth 2 isk. What a weird argument. |
StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
3
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:57:00 -
[983] - Quote
There are literally two statements that CCP could make that I would consider as "we give a **** about the money you give us every month":
1. We're sorry, we ok'd this event because we are morons. or 2. Wow somebody made some promises and did some things without getting clearance first. We're sorry, said people will be disciplined.
An iota of corporate backpedaling or "this is ok because..." would spell disaster. Really, you have an awesome player-base that has stuck with you through cubic kilometers of past BS because they like your niche game. How about instead of shitting all over your subscribers by building new monuments in CCP HQ, creating ****** rap videos, investing eve profits in your vampire barbie sim, and secretly handing out advantages to select corps- how about instead of all of that extraneous BS, you... I don't know... fortify eve?
Just a thought.
I find it hilarious that the Hilmar blog post from 2007 is "down" . I'm one heartbeat away from boycotting every CCP product - the pinion of this decision lies on the next devblog addressing this matter. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:59:00 -
[984] - Quote
Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you thinkGǪ
I know what's going on. The only mistake people are justified in ranting about is that CCP gave these gifts in secret and trying to keep it hush hush.
People spend a lot of time creating out-of-game entertainment for EVE Online and CCP saw fit to reward them for that. As the game's developer they are fully in their right to make the decision.
SOMER being a for-profit business makes no difference in the matter. People would be bitching even if this was a charity and don't pretend they wouldn't. With all the donations and promo's SOMER runs they might as well be a charity.
The fact that a gift was given is not even the issue here. If they all got a T1 Raven no-one would even care. But OH ****, this is a unique ship worth a few billion ISK? OUTRAGE!
This is jealousy, pure and simple. Someone got an expensive gift and now all the little kids want an expensive gift of their own or it should be taken away. Because unless everyone can have an expensive gift, no-one should have an expensive gift.
It's pathetic really. And EVEN if it weren't so pathetic; EVE is not fair. Not by a long shot. Anyone thinking it is is delusional. Deal with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
4
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:06:00 -
[985] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you thinkGǪ I know what's going on. The only mistake people are justified in ranting about is that CCP gave these gifts in secret and trying to keep it hush hush. People spend a lot of time creating out-of-game entertainment for EVE Online and CCP saw fit to reward them for that. As the game's developer they are fully in their right to make the decision. SOMER being a for-profit business makes no difference in the matter. People would be bitching even if this was a charity and don't pretend they wouldn't. With all the donations and promo's SOMER runs they might as well be a charity. The fact that a gift was given is not even the issue here. If they all got a T1 Raven no-one would even care. But OH ****, this is a unique ship worth a few billion ISK? OUTRAGE! This is jealousy, pure and simple. Someone got an expensive gift and now all the little kids want an expensive gift of their own or it should be taken away. Because unless everyone can have an expensive gift, no-one should have an expensive gift. It's pathetic really. And EVEN if it weren't so pathetic; EVE is not fair. Not by a long shot. Anyone thinking it is is delusional. Deal with it.
Eve was always "not fair" by the mechanics of the game. Not by dev resource injections. Secret or not, it is wrong.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:18:00 -
[986] - Quote
StabThigh wrote:
Eve was always "not fair" by the mechanics of the game. Not by dev resource injections. Secret or not, it is wrong.
So then all unique ships in the game, prizes for tournaments and stuff are all wrong too? What's the difference?
X gets a multi billion ISK ship for winning the alliance tournament.
Y gets a multi billion ISK ship for running a popular lottery which requires a LOT of man hours to operate.
Everyone likes to pretend that SOMER is an automated service and the guys behind it are just raking in the cash. In reality there's a whole load of people manually processing the transactions. It's a lot more work than spending a few hours winning an alliance tournament.
So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward? Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)? Would everyone feel better if these ships were not allowed to be sold and thus had no monetary value? Wouldn't that go against your precious sandbox? The same sandbox that determines the value of these ships? Because CCP certainly didn't give them the claimed billions. CCP just gave them ships. Other players are willing to pay billions for those ships. That's not CCP's fault. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Kate stark
325
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:22:00 -
[987] - Quote
what's different is the way these items were given to a selected group of players in secret.
read the thread and you'd know. read before posting, it stops you posting stuff that we've gone over with other illiterates several times. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
204
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
[988] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward?
Because in the alliance tournament everyone gets to try, everyone gets to compete if they so wish and everybody knows beforehand that there will be rewards.
CCP giving anything to anyone in an unfair manner, giving said people an advantage in-game without giving everyone else a chance to compete for this reward, is wrong. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
[989] - Quote
I only want one thing from CCP
tree fiddy |
Ragnen Delent
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
[990] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote: Everyone likes to pretend that SOMER is an automated service and the guys behind it are just raking in the cash. In reality there's a whole load of people manually processing the transactions. It's a lot more work than spending a few hours winning an alliance tournament.
So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward? Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)?
Should I then get prizes from CCP for ratting, or you for whatever it is you do to earn isk? The people do the work because they are paid to do so. In fact, Somer almost needs to have those people doing it, because when someone isn't around to preauth payments in and out players get upset mighty quickly. I'm not really sure why "doing lots of work" should result in rewards from CCP. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9257
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
[991] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)?
please share more of what you know about somer's financials as you're apparently privy to that information Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
120
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:28:00 -
[992] - Quote
used to have some respect for jester now i just wonder how many of his mates have been given stuff.. total disgrace as a csm member espically as he wanted greater transparency... bloody hypocrit |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
204
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:32:00 -
[993] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:I only want one thing from CCP
...
tree fiddy
Go away, Loch Ness monster! |
StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:32:00 -
[994] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:StabThigh wrote:
Eve was always "not fair" by the mechanics of the game. Not by dev resource injections. Secret or not, it is wrong.
So then all unique ships in the game, prizes for tournaments and stuff are all wrong too? What's the difference? X gets a multi billion ISK ship for winning the alliance tournament. Y gets a multi billion ISK ship for running a popular lottery which requires a LOT of man hours to operate. Everyone likes to pretend that SOMER is an automated service and the guys behind it are just raking in the cash. In reality there's a whole load of people manually processing the transactions. It's a lot more work than spending a few hours winning an alliance tournament. So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward? Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)? Would everyone feel better if these ships were not allowed to be sold and thus had no monetary value? Wouldn't that go against your precious sandbox? The same sandbox that determines the value of these ships? Because CCP certainly didn't give them the claimed billions. CCP just gave them ships. Other players are willing to pay billions for those ships. That's not CCP's fault.
You'll find I disagree with devtime and handouts pertaining to AT specific ships as well, but that is another thread. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16839
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:34:00 -
[995] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:I know what's going on. So why did you make a TL;DR that only proves the GÇ£DRGÇ¥ part and demonstrates the exact opposite?
Quote:This is jealousy, pure and simple. No, it really isn't. You've once again only shown that you are absolutely clueless about what's going on, as do your dismissals of the actual reason why people are upset.
It sounds more like you're projecting hereGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
54
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:38:00 -
[996] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote: Everyone likes to pretend that SOMER is an automated service and the guys behind it are just raking in the cash. In reality there's a whole load of people manually processing the transactions. It's a lot more work than spending a few hours winning an alliance tournament.
I couldn't let this go....
First of all, winning an alliance tourney isn't "spending a few hours"...first you have to be skilled at PVP, then you have to spend that time paying CCP game time to build up skills. Lets not even go into the finer details of winning a tourney...or just getting to the stage of entering it.
Secondly, I have no doubt the Somer Blink employees put in a lot of work....but you know what? They also get paid handsomely as it is. As far as processing the transactions, I thought they used the API if nobody was online...but, hey I could be wrong.
I wonder how much commission Somer gets for every plex transaction through their site? There are plenty of ways Somer benefit from their business (and good luck to them).
...and I will repeat again, it's not so much the gifts themselves that is the problem, it was the secretive and underhand way in which they were given. That kind of behavior has such a negative impact on things associated with game (in game and out). It almost reminds me of insider trading, which CCP have punished people for before....this time they have initiated it themselves!! "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
240
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:39:00 -
[997] - Quote
Add me to the list of people who won't be giving CCP another cent until this issue is properly resolved.
Firing the people responsible would be a good start. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2352
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:39:00 -
[998] - Quote
Tilly Delnero wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not want CCP to gift me, or anyone else in the game, free, secret or otherwise, stuff, unless it is something like a Barbie outfit, which cannot be sold, traded, reprocessed or given to another player. That should cover it This is essentially the real issue in a nutshell, well put. Honestly I couldn't give a fig about what happens on TQ since I quit it for Sisi after Odyssey, but I can see why this would get peoples' blood boiling. Even if they 'only' sell for 5-10b each, that's a lot of PLEX (and in turn, real money) that is gifted to specific players by CCP that gives them an in-game advantage over others. How couldn't this be interpreted as a form of favouritism or in-game manipulation? Personally I think it's much more likely just a poorly thought-out PR stunt, but the conspiracy theories are understandable.
Giving them the ships can't be a PR stunt, poorly thought out or not, because it was done in complete secrecy
If it was to publicly acknowledge and thank someone for doing a good thing, they'd not have had to do it in secret
and they'd also have to explain why somer were picked (again) over a dozen other sites, services and individuals who do a lot for the community - more than a mere fun gambling service. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
89
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:44:00 -
[999] - Quote
Andski wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)? please share more of what you know about somer's financials as you're apparently privy to that information
Simple info really. SOMER takes about 20% on each blink. But they don't take anything on the promos they run. Each time they run a promo that money comes directly out of their profit. Running the site and paying the employees comes out of the profit. Sponsorships are done without any monetary gain. Each time they give bonus credit to a player who then cashes out the credit comes out of their bottom line.
Down at the bottom line I don't think SOMER is making as much net profit as everyone seems to think they do. I'm sure they still make a number that is very impressive.
Quote:You've once again only shown that you are absolutely clueless about what's going on, as do your dismissals of the actual reason why people are upset.
Please, inform me what the problem is if I'm so clearly wrong? I only see two problems. CCP gave shiny stuff to people in secret. And that shiny stuff happens to be worth a lot of ISK which makes people go whhhaaaa because they want a lot of ISK too.
SOMER isn't even really the issue here so don't pretend that they are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2352
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:47:00 -
[1000] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Andski wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)? please share more of what you know about somer's financials as you're apparently privy to that information Simple info really. SOMER takes about 20% on each blink. But they don't take anything on the promos they run. Each time they run a promo that money comes directly out of their profit. Running the site and paying the employees comes out of the profit. Sponsorships are done without any monetary gain. Each time they give bonus credit to a player who then cashes out the credit comes out of their bottom line. Down at the bottom line I don't think SOMER is making as much net profit as everyone seems to think they do. I'm sure they still make a number that is very impressive. Quote:You've once again only shown that you are absolutely clueless about what's going on, as do your dismissals of the actual reason why people are upset. Please, inform me what the problem is if I'm so clearly wrong? I only see two problems. CCP gave shiny stuff to people in secret. And that shiny stuff happens to be worth a lot of ISK which makes people go whhhaaaa because they want a lot of ISK too. SOMER isn't even really the issue here so don't pretend that they are.
Attempting to smear people who have a problem with this as being greedy and wanting special unique things themselves, when no one here is doing that is a pisspoor argument mate
just saying |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16839
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:49:00 -
[1001] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Please, inform me what the problem is if I'm so clearly wrong? In a word, favouritism.
They arbitrarily and without any reason or reasoning handed out massive amounts of valuables in secret to a single group of individuals because a dev liked them.
They are trying to hide behind the vapid excuse of GÇ£rewarding community serviceGÇ¥, the problem being that this favouritism has as much to do with the community as T20's BPO handout (except that one was much smaller and aimed at a group that created actual in-game content), and that by choosing to make keep it secret, the community was never meant to know that such services were being rewarded.
What you incorrectly label as GÇ£jealousyGÇ¥ is people demonstrating why it's such a nonsensical thing to do and why the excuse doesn't hold water: imagine them doing the same to any of the other large content-creating entities in the game, and the outcry that would followGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kate stark
326
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:50:00 -
[1002] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Please, inform me what the problem is if I'm so clearly wrong? read the thread.
don't worry, you're not the only one ignorant of the issue. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
296
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:50:00 -
[1003] - Quote
CCP should gives a ishukune scorp to everyone. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9259
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:53:00 -
[1004] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Simple info really. SOMER takes about 20% on each blink. But they don't take anything on the promos they run. Each time they run a promo that money comes directly out of their profit. Running the site and paying the employees comes out of the profit. Sponsorships are done without any monetary gain. Each time they give bonus credit to a player who then cashes out the credit comes out of their bottom line.
Down at the bottom line I don't think SOMER is making as much net profit as everyone seems to think they do. I'm sure they still make a number that is very impressive.
You don't know what their net profit is because a lot of winnings are claimed in blink credit. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1306
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:54:00 -
[1005] - Quote
Well, in any case, one thing is certain. Everyone who has one of these "rare" ships should consider selling it as soon as possible. The value will only continue to decline. I'm giving one away myself as a promo. I'll probably just continue to give mine away to random people who play my game until I run out of them. Otherwise, a year from now they might be as common as any other ship. Maybe we'll all get them for Christmas. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
909
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:00:00 -
[1006] - Quote
I nominate James 315 to be given a tech 2 BPO in a secret giveaway. Perhaps ten Light Neutron Blaster II BPOs would be suitable for him.
He can keep a secret, and runs an EVE blog that has got four thousand views per day for the last year, and has been instrumental in getting a number of players to make second accounts and to get their RL friends playing the game.
Next, give TEST alliance a few BPOs, they look like they could use the help at the moment. Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |
Novah Soul
47
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:00:00 -
[1007] - Quote
Well... I'll be letting my account lapse for the foreseeable future, as will my wife I believe. Maybe (if) I return ccp will remove their heads from their backsides... |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1309
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:07:00 -
[1008] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I nominate James 315 to be given a tech 2 BPO in a secret giveaway. Perhaps ten Light Neutron Blaster II BPOs would be suitable for him.
He can keep a secret, and runs an EVE blog that has got four thousand views per day for the last year, and has been instrumental in getting a number of players to make second accounts and to get their RL friends playing the game.
Such a giveaway should be an open celebration for all of highsec to rejoice. I would suggest a special edition NO catalyst BPO as well. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:10:00 -
[1009] - Quote
OK, I'm going to spell this out for the retards....
1. CCP gave Somer Ish Scorps on the sly (for whatever reason). 2.Somer says to employees - keep it quiet. When you sell them, do it as to not raise suspicion.
Why doesn't Somer want to raise suspicion? Is it because they knew that they are worth a lot less now than their current market price, because there are actually 40% more available than the rest of the community were led to believe.
Why were they allowed to sell these items into a market that had no idea of their true worth at the time? I can answer that one - because CCP sanctioned it. CCP and Somer knew there were 40% more Ish Scorps seeded...nobody else did.
Somer said herself this was a unique thing CCP was doing for them
It doesn't matter if it was an Ish Scorp...it's the principle. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
25
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:12:00 -
[1010] - Quote
Upon reflection, something occurred to me. Somer got rewarded TWICE. Once with the scorps, once with the drawing. That's a whole lot of rewardin' goin' on.
Between free accounts for fansites and giant piles of ISK, CCP has expertly managed to undermine EVE-related journalism (if it can be called that). Bloggers and site operators now have an incentive to engage in self-censorship and cheerleading. After all, who wants to cheat themselves out of assloads of ISK? It's all the more concerning because a significant portion of the CSM have sites or are closely affiliated with one. I'm not making a straight up accusation, but this is precisely why professional news organizations have such strict ethics guidelines. It's the reason that Amazon, Yelp, and other internet sites fight so hard against fake reviews and the like. Giving and receiving gifts or money fundamentally undermines confidence in the product and the sites themselves.
If the basic argument that many of the CSM are making is "CCP can do whatever they want, it's their game," my question is where is the line? If there is none, then we start getting into old school tinfoil hattery, but this time, it will have an actual basis in fact. And once the theorizing begins, it will never end. Will they begin justifying other actions on the basis of player retention or new player recruitment? How will we be able to tell? If anyone thinks CCP's eventual list of rules for this stuff will clear it all up, you obviously haven't been playing EVE for long.
There really isn't any point in continuing this thread. The die is cast *cough*. Your only real decision is whether to log on or log off. If you choose to log on, you can STFU already, because you're simply validating their decisions. |
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
356
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:13:00 -
[1011] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote: Such a giveaway should be an open celebration for all of highsec to rejoice. I would suggest a special edition NO catalyst BPO as well.
Asteroid camouflage I guess?
Or a complete new model, an asteroid with guns. You laser dem roids? Dem roids shoot back! |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
89
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:22:00 -
[1012] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Upon reflection, something occurred to me. Somer got rewarded TWICE. Once with the scorps, once with the drawing. That's a whole lot of rewardin' goin' on.
Between free accounts for fansites and giant piles of ISK, CCP has expertly managed to undermine EVE-related journalism (if it can be called that). Bloggers and site operators now have an incentive to engage in self-censorship and cheerleading. After all, who wants to cheat themselves out of assloads of ISK? It's all the more concerning because a significant portion of the CSM have sites or are closely affiliated with one. I'm not making a straight up accusation, but this is precisely why professional news organizations have such strict ethics guidelines. It's the reason that Amazon, Yelp, and other internet sites fight so hard against fake reviews and the like. Giving and receiving gifts or money fundamentally undermines confidence in the product and the sites themselves.
If the basic argument that many of the CSM are making is "CCP can do whatever they want, it's their game," my question is where is the line? If there is none, then we start getting into old school tinfoil hattery, but this time, it will have an actual basis in fact. And once the theorizing begins, it will never end. Will they begin justifying other actions on the basis of player retention or new player recruitment? How will we be able to tell? If anyone thinks CCP's eventual list of rules for this stuff will clear it all up, you obviously haven't been playing EVE for long.
There really isn't any point in continuing this thread. The die is cast *cough*. Your only real decision is whether to log on or log off. If you choose to log on, you can STFU already, because you're simply validating their decisions.
At the end of the day you're all making a fuss over a game. A very complex and deep game that some people have serious commitments to, but a game non the less.
Real world rules need not apply here. Real world ethics certainly don't.
If people were this passionate about stuff that actually mattered the US government wouldn't be spying on the whole world. Could this be a couple of unimportant persons seeing this as their chance to 'stick it to the man' because they can't stick it to the actual man? If so, you're terribly failing. Everyone is complaining and bitching and screaming how they are going to stop playing. But at the end of the day everyone will log on. Everyone will play and no-one will have the spine to stand up for what they believe in. Just like in real life.
Spend your time useful for crying out loud. It's internet spaceships. Someone has more virtual stuff than you. Boo-*******-hoo.
How did I let myself get sucked into this drama... I'm out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
RAW23
273
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:32:00 -
[1013] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:At the end of the day you're all making a fuss over a game. A very complex and deep game that some people have serious commitments to, but a game non the less. Real world rules need not apply here. Real world ethics certainly don't. If people were this passionate about stuff that actually mattered the US government wouldn't be spying on the whole world. Could this be a couple of unimportant persons seeing this as their chance to 'stick it to the man' because they can't stick it to the actual man? If so, you're terribly failing. Everyone is complaining and bitching and screaming how they are going to stop playing. But at the end of the day everyone will log on. Everyone will play and no-one will have the spine to stand up for what they believe in. Just like in real life. Spend your time useful for crying out loud. It's internet spaceships. Someone has more virtual stuff than you. Boo-*******-hoo. How did I let myself get sucked into this drama... I'm out!
Stupid people caring about the hobbies they spend time and money on! There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16842
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:36:00 -
[1014] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Someone has more virtual stuff than you. Boo-*******-hoo. GǪwhich, of course, still isn't the issue no matter how much you want to make it so.
Quote:Real world rules need not apply here. Real world ethics certainly don't. Real-world rules and ethics don't apply to the real world? That'sGǪ interesting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
356
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:37:00 -
[1015] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Could this be a couple of unimportant persons seeing this as their chance to 'stick it to the man' because they can't stick it to the actual man? If so, you're terribly failing. There are pages filled of reasons in this thread why people are upset about this. And yet instead of reading them you invent one reason after the other why they "could" be upset..
If you are jealous about the gifts then that's your issue, no one was talking about that. If you feel powerless because you "can't stick it to the actual man" then that's your issue too, it has nothing at all to do with the discussion at hand.
Maybe if you stop projecting your own issues on to others and start reading what the actual arguments are you could add something to the discussion worth reading. |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
27
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:37:00 -
[1016] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Post indicating you didn't read or comprehend CCP exists in the real world. The fansites exist in the real world. Real human beings are the recipients of real rewards (game time is real, you can even purchase it with money).
But you've touched, however incompentently, on the real issue. If the argument is that it's their game, there's no point sitting around and whining. Log on or log off. Everything else is bullshit. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
474
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:54:00 -
[1017] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Upon reflection, something occurred to me. Somer got rewarded TWICE. Once with the scorps, once with the drawing. That's a whole lot of rewardin' goin' on.
Between free accounts for fansites and giant piles of ISK, CCP has expertly managed to undermine EVE-related journalism (if it can be called that). Bloggers and site operators now have an incentive to engage in self-censorship and cheerleading. After all, who wants to cheat themselves out of assloads of ISK? It's all the more concerning because a significant portion of the CSM have sites or are closely affiliated with one. I'm not making a straight up accusation, but this is precisely why professional news organizations have such strict ethics guidelines. It's the reason that Amazon, Yelp, and other internet sites fight so hard against fake reviews and the like. Giving and receiving gifts or money fundamentally undermines confidence in the product and the sites themselves.
If the basic argument that many of the CSM are making is "CCP can do whatever they want, it's their game," my question is where is the line? If there is none, then we start getting into old school tinfoil hattery, but this time, it will have an actual basis in fact. And once the theorizing begins, it will never end. Will they begin justifying other actions on the basis of player retention or new player recruitment? How will we be able to tell? If anyone thinks CCP's eventual list of rules for this stuff will clear it all up, you obviously haven't been playing EVE for long.
There really isn't any point in continuing this thread. The die is cast *cough*. Your only real decision is whether to log on or log off. If you choose to log on, you can STFU already, because you're simply validating their decisions. Well it does make you wonder what CCP staff characters and their alliances are given as bonuses in game for good work out of game. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:56:00 -
[1018] - Quote
Karak Terrel wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: Such a giveaway should be an open celebration for all of highsec to rejoice. I would suggest a special edition NO catalyst BPO as well.
Asteroid camouflage I guess? Or a complete new model, an asteroid with guns. You laser dem roids? Dem roids shoot back!
A coralskipper?
Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
Bapfl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:11:00 -
[1019] - Quote
Naradius wrote:OK, I'm going to spell this out for the retards.... 1. CCP gave Somer Ish Scorps on the sly (for whatever reason). 2.Somer says to employees - keep it quiet. When you sell them, do it as to not raise suspicion. Why doesn't Somer want to raise suspicion? Is it because they knew that they are worth a lot less now than their current market price, because there are actually 40% more available than the rest of the community were led to believe. Why were they allowed to sell these items into a market that had no idea of their true worth at the time? I can answer that one - because CCP sanctioned it. CCP and Somer knew there were 40% more Ish Scorps seeded...nobody else did. Somer said herself this was a unique thing CCP was doing for them It doesn't matter if it was an Ish Scorp...it's the principle.
Dude, the ishk scorps were supposed to be used to drain more peeps into lottery and make bets even higher, so the can sell more plex... /sigh |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5975
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:11:00 -
[1020] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Upon reflection, something occurred to me. Somer got rewarded TWICE. Once with the scorps, once with the drawing. That's a whole lot of rewardin' goin' on. Three times, actually. It's just that the first time it happened, it was to a small enough extent that nobody really thought much of it. It was only when they gave them really rare ships for their drawing did people start to think that maybe CCP shouldn't be handing out items of value to organizations like this, secret or not, for purposes of using them in a lottery or not. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1312
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:46:00 -
[1021] - Quote
Karak Terrel wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: Such a giveaway should be an open celebration for all of highsec to rejoice. I would suggest a special edition NO catalyst BPO as well.
Asteroid camouflage I guess? Or a complete new model, an asteroid with guns. You laser dem roids? Dem roids shoot back!
A fabulous idea! When the community comes together to brainstorm, great ideas come forth! See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4727
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:12:00 -
[1022] - Quote
RAW23 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:At the end of the day you're all making a fuss over a game. A very complex and deep game that some people have serious commitments to, but a game non the less. Real world rules need not apply here. Real world ethics certainly don't. If people were this passionate about stuff that actually mattered the US government wouldn't be spying on the whole world. Could this be a couple of unimportant persons seeing this as their chance to 'stick it to the man' because they can't stick it to the actual man? If so, you're terribly failing. Everyone is complaining and bitching and screaming how they are going to stop playing. But at the end of the day everyone will log on. Everyone will play and no-one will have the spine to stand up for what they believe in. Just like in real life. Spend your time useful for crying out loud. It's internet spaceships. Someone has more virtual stuff than you. Boo-*******-hoo. How did I let myself get sucked into this drama... I'm out! Stupid people caring about the hobbies they spend time and money on! No one cares about stuff like that, so we're bad people and should just give up
That's what you ccp puppets are reduced to? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
29
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:14:00 -
[1023] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:No one cares about stuff like that, so we're bad people and should just give up
That's what you ccp puppets are reduced to? your sarcasm detector is broken. this is a consequence of knee jerk posting |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4727
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:57:00 -
[1024] - Quote
Everyone says I post only trash because I am a goon
but ~secretly~ on our classified goonfleetdotcom forums, ... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
33
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:11:00 -
[1025] - Quote
So what are the chances this mega thread will actually get a DEV reply this monday? |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:14:00 -
[1026] - Quote
Maximilian Akora wrote:So what are the chances this mega thread will actually get a DEV reply this monday?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb76AobIgcU |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1316
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 02:15:00 -
[1027] - Quote
They already said they're going to maintain the policy of opaquely rewarding in-game groups with in-game items.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:15:00 -
[1028] - Quote
Once again CCP are following the exact pattern to their past "mistakes".
Once the media has caught wind of this story, CCP run off to the media first and give some sorry and lame excuse about current issues, leaving their customers, the Eve community still in the dark.
How pathetic.
CCP has not learned, or even care about their past "escapades" and the Eve community.
Thanks CCP for ******* on your customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To The CSM,
Please remember, you do not represent CCP to the Eve community. You actually represent the the Eve community to CCP
As such, please do, for what you were voted for. Or are you also in it for the free stuff?
Am I angry? Dam right I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCP stop this favouritism, and please give the community a response to this issue, soon. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1316
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 02:20:00 -
[1029] - Quote
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
Update: CCP Manifest has gotten back to us with an official comment:
We did end up giving Ishukone Ships away to SOMER's people as a "thanks" (as per the email) in a similar manner to our previous issuances of the ship. It's always been meant to be a promo item--for awards, rewards, charity-based efforts, promo items and more. The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16845
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:26:00 -
[1030] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
Update: CCP Manifest has gotten back to us with an official comment:
We did end up giving Ishukone Ships away to SOMER's people as a "thanks" (as per the email) in a similar manner to our previous issuances of the ship. It's always been meant to be a promo item--for awards, rewards, charity-based efforts, promo items and more. The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. GǪand it's still as useless and :ccp: an answer as ever, completely missing the point of the concerns people have. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1316
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:29:00 -
[1031] - Quote
CCP gonna :CCP: Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
33
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:34:00 -
[1032] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
Update: CCP Manifest has gotten back to us with an official comment:
We did end up giving Ishukone Ships away to SOMER's people as a "thanks" (as per the email) in a similar manner to our previous issuances of the ship. It's always been meant to be a promo item--for awards, rewards, charity-based efforts, promo items and more. The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. GǪand it's still as useless and :ccp: an answer as ever, completely missing the point of the concerns people have.
CCP missing the point and being entirely clueless on their own game.
THAT NEVER HAPPENS! |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
47
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:46:00 -
[1033] - Quote
CCP still being deliberately obtuse?
yeah, we gave them 15bil ships and let them engage in insider trading, but it's ok, because we're going to flood the market with them anyways! |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
409
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 02:54:00 -
[1034] - Quote
10 years playing this game.
10 years working hard to earn my isk so I can buy and sell on what I thought was a level playing field.
I remember when we all started talking about all the cool things they could/would do with unique ship skins
...this CCP company, it's like they WANT me to leave them. They acively undermine what it is we are supposed to like about this game at every turn.
We could have separate LP markets across even spitting out unique ship skins. We could have a department at CCP that does events that gives these things out.
But no... we have this stupid crap. "here website that runs what is probably a scam, have a half trillion isk worth of stuff"
And to the rest of us that aren't "in the club?" , we should just shut up and pay our subs.
//Oh !! //and dont' forget to go to scamblink and buy some tickets for blah blah blah !!! |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
47
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:01:00 -
[1035] - Quote
Naradius wrote:OK, I'm going to spell this out for the retards.... 1. CCP gave Somer Ish Scorps on the sly (for whatever reason). 2.Somer says to employees - keep it quiet. When you sell them, do it as to not raise suspicion. Why doesn't Somer want to raise suspicion? Is it because they knew that they are worth a lot less now than their current market price, because there are actually 40% more available than the rest of the community were led to believe. Why were they allowed to sell these items into a market that had no idea of their true worth at the time? I can answer that one - because CCP sanctioned it. CCP and Somer knew there were 40% more Ish Scorps seeded...nobody else did. Somer said herself this was a unique thing CCP was doing for them It doesn't matter if it was an Ish Scorp...it's the principle. i purchased one thinking there were x amount in game... boy was i wrong... nice to see everyone with insider information be able to sell theirs first though for top dollar that pretty much ruins the sandbox for me and invalidates the work i do trading. no sense grinding for billions when the dev can spawn 'limited' items on a whim, give them in secret to their buddies to sell at top rate, and then act like nothing is wrong. i really don't want to do this, but it looks like i'm going to have no choice but to let 6 active, paid accounts lapse within next month... still deciding if i want to keep the other 5 accounts training skills after they run out of time, but probably not. so i guess -11 from me in the end. gg CCP. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1296
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:10:00 -
[1036] - Quote
I am becoming more sanguine about this debacle with every passing hour.
Anyone who reads my posts knows that I am accused of tin-foil hattery on a regular basis when I comment about the probability of favouritism by the devs toward certain in-game groups. Most of my posts flag the potential of it, to keep it in the public eye. For that , I am constantly hammered with ridicule.
Well, stuff like this validates my points, which is nice.
But on the other hand, it now seems given that 300 billion ISK handouts seem to be an ongoing thing, are not that uncommon, and meant to be kept secret. It leads me to believe that the concept of a level playing field maintained with the structure of the game is something that not even upper management at CCP pays lip service to.
A sandbox, where everyone has equal opportunity, it clearly put to the lie with these actions. These are not valueless items, since they command in excess of 10 billion each on the open market. 10 billion ISK can alter many a small war, which makes the game rigged.
So for someone like me, trying to fight the good fight in a game supposedly NOT rigged, to say that CCP's actions are disheartening, is an understatement. But it is also liberating, to know that any attempt by any forum poster to suggest that anyone can rise to the upper echelons of the player pyramid is just a complete fabrication, and something I don't have to bristle with righteous anger over anymore.
When the goons and I are on the same side regarding dev favouritism and altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5976
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:18:00 -
[1037] - Quote
The difference, Dinsdale Pirannha, between you and us, is that we don't make such accusations (at least not as anything more than individuals) without any concrete evidence to support it.
There's more than just concrete evidence here, it's been completely confirmed by all parties involved. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2083
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:22:00 -
[1038] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game?
Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
48
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:27:00 -
[1039] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. they sold for 20bil before everyone realized that CCP magically increased the supply for somer. somer also used this secrecy to engage in insider trading and unload a bunch of them before anyone realized the supply had increased. this is ethical how? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4729
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:29:00 -
[1040] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:The difference, Dinsdale Pirannha, between you and us, is that we don't make such accusations (at least not as anything more than individuals) without any concrete evidence to support it.
There's more than just concrete evidence here, it's been completely confirmed by all parties involved. apparently it doesn't matter even if it's true
1 tritanium There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
476
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:33:00 -
[1041] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. Well what we know so far, trillions in unique ships + profits from running a lottery based on winning those ships to Somer + around 800 billion in monocles to PL + an unspecified number of monocles and 300 billion in Ish Scorps to Somer.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:36:00 -
[1042] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. Well what we know so far, trillions in unique ships + profits from running a lottery based on winning those ships to Somer + around 800 billion in monocles to PL + an unspecified number of monocles and 300 billion in Ish Scorps to Somer.
if I had 0.5% of that I would finally be able to fund my pvp adventures
see where the problem is ?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2083
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:43:00 -
[1043] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. they sold for 20bil before everyone realized that CCP magically increased the supply for somer. somer also used this secrecy to engage in insider trading and unload a bunch of them before anyone realized the supply had increased. this is ethical how? You cited balance or power, not ethics.
400 - 500 B ISK, considering the vast quantities of ISK that the Goons sit upon? That flows through SOMER's vaults every month? NOT a game-changer. A nice thank-you from CCP to some of their favorite pets? Sure, but not a change in balance of power at all.
Now, if you want to cite ethics, I'd agree that making the gift a secret was a bit dodgy, but not all that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. This is a tempest in a teapot, and smells a lot like a temper tantrum when all is said and done. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2083
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:44:00 -
[1044] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. Well what we know so far, trillions in unique ships + profits from running a lottery based on winning those ships to Somer + around 800 billion in monocles to PL + an unspecified number of monocles and 300 billion in Ish Scorps to Somer. if I had 0.5% of that I would finally be able to fund my pvp adventures see where the problem is ? If you want .5% of that, go out and do something to make CCP want to gift you. IOW, you have to WORK for these things, not just wish for 'em. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4729
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:46:00 -
[1045] - Quote
It's perfectly fine, even the csm vice guy said it's ok, so shut up about it already sheesh There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2084
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:46:00 -
[1046] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. Well what we know so far, trillions in unique ships + profits from running a lottery based on winning those ships to Somer + around 800 billion in monocles to PL + an unspecified number of monocles and 300 billion in Ish Scorps to Somer. When you consider the vast streams of ISK that flow through SOMER all the time, this is a drop in the bucket. Frankly, you want gifts like this to not happen? Don't buy PLEX. Don't patronize SOMER. Then they'll stop. Otherwise, it's just business as usual. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5977
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:47:00 -
[1047] - Quote
"500B is pocket change to the largest alliance in the game, so clearly CCP can just give it to anyone and it won't matter." My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2084
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:49:00 -
[1048] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:"500B is pocket change to the largest alliance in the game, so clearly CCP can just give it to anyone and it won't matter." Actually, yes.
They rewarded some pets. So what? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1316
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:51:00 -
[1049] - Quote
500B is a month or two of SRP for a major alliance in a bloc war. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4732
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 03:58:00 -
[1050] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:500B is a month or two of SRP for a major alliance in a bloc war. Too bad gevlon goblin couldn't supply that much, it would have led to the collapse of themiitanispets There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2979
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 04:08:00 -
[1051] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on.
You preach it Silens.
I'm further convinced that it dones't take much to rile up the EVE community. So what CCP gave some stuff to someone, the stuff isn't real. It has no values and even if it did, it belongs to CCP.
Right at this moment im typign this and killing some NPCs in pursuit of my next few plexes for my accounts, while also trying to dig up some kind of internal feeling of butt hurt at an icelandic video game company making me rat instead of giving me free imaginary space ships with bazzilions of space money. So far, nothing, but I know the but hurt must be in there somewhere!
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
25
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:08:00 -
[1052] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"500B is pocket change to the largest alliance in the game, so clearly CCP can just give it to anyone and it won't matter." Actually, yes. They rewarded some pets. So what?
This is literally the same tired old excuse that BoB apologists trotted out back in the day. "Guys, it was only some Sabre and T2 ammo BPOs, it wasn't all that much compared to BoB's overall income in Delve."
No one gives a **** if you were only cheating a little bit, or only showing a little bit of favoritism. It's going to cause a shitstorm, and the fact that CCP didn't announce the gift to show off their community encouragement or whatever bullshit they're calling it suggests they had an inkling it would cause a shitstorm.
The CSM was made to contain this sort of nonsense, it's really disheartening to see CSM members shrugging their shoulders or worse, actively supporting CCP in this. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
477
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:39:00 -
[1053] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. You preach it Silens. I'm further convinced that it dones't take much to rile up the EVE community. So what CCP gave some stuff to someone, the stuff isn't real. It has no values and even if it did, it belongs to CCP. Right at this moment im typign this and killing some NPCs in pursuit of my next few plexes for my accounts, while also trying to dig up some kind of internal feeling of butt hurt at an icelandic video game company making me rat instead of giving me free imaginary space ships with bazzilions of space money. So far, nothing, but I know the but hurt must be in there somewhere! Incorrect. Something of value doesn't have to be monetary value. Something of value could be value based on time, which of course is what isk is. We invest substantial amounts of time to create isk in a competitive game. We pay CCP real money which the majority of us invest significant amounts of time to acquire. There is an option to pay real money, against time invested to acquire for plex with the intent of converting that into isk. To say that isk has no value is ignorant in regards to what value means. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1338
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:49:00 -
[1054] - Quote
While I can see how how people might make a t20 comparison we have to understand the difference. In one circumstance we had a tech ii lottery where a dev cheated and gave bob a potential unlimited isk faucet (secondary not primary)
The second was a ship sitting in the database that ccp decided to use as a promotional item that has a diminishing value as more are given out. People have already said they are fine scl people got one. The only misstep on ccp behalf was not not letting the comunity know the intended purpose for the ship.
Honestly with the fact the ship was originally designed for the nex store im happy they are using it in the first place.
To use a clich+¬ you guys are making mountains out of mole hills There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2979
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:55:00 -
[1055] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. You preach it Silens. I'm further convinced that it dones't take much to rile up the EVE community. So what CCP gave some stuff to someone, the stuff isn't real. It has no values and even if it did, it belongs to CCP. Right at this moment im typign this and killing some NPCs in pursuit of my next few plexes for my accounts, while also trying to dig up some kind of internal feeling of butt hurt at an icelandic video game company making me rat instead of giving me free imaginary space ships with bazzilions of space money. So far, nothing, but I know the but hurt must be in there somewhere! Incorrect. Something of value doesn't have to be monetary value. Something of value could be value based on time, which of course is what isk is. We invest substantial amounts of time to create isk in a competitive game. We pay CCP real money which the majority of us invest significant amounts of time to acquire. There is an option to pay real money, against time invested to acquire for plex with the intent of converting that into isk. To say that isk has no value is ignorant in regards to what value means.
Even if it have some imaginary value to someone, at the end of the day, it all still belongs to CCP. Who they give things to is none of my business, nor is it yours.
I get that MMOs try to create a sense of "ownership" to tie people to the game, and as I see by all the butthurt here, CCP has done particularily well in this regard. But Jesus H. Christ on a Crusty Crutch , the reaction of some of you people is as if CCP invaded France and conficated all the Croissants or something. If CCP closes tommorow, EVERYTRHING in EVE ceases to exist and I use that word loosely, because despite all the time we put into making stuff and gaining stuff in this game, NONE of it is real. Not even the Thukker Tribe Machariel CCP gave me last week is real...oh crap, wasn't supposed to meantion that, please don't shoot up a monument!
I won't tell people how to feel, but I will comment on the utter stupidity of those feelings. The jealousy directed at Somer Blink and some video game account holders believing that CCP "secretly" giving away some scorpian shaped pixels is some big scandle is my idea of "person in need of going outside".
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
28
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:07:00 -
[1056] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
Even if it have some imaginary value to someone, at the end of the day, it all still belongs to CCP. Who they give things to is none of my business, nor is it yours.
By the same token, the whole T20 deal was "none of our business" either. After all, it was purely an internal matter, and the only thing that T20 did that was wrong was give out free **** without company permission, right?
Wrong.
CCP worries about favoritism. They worry about the appearance of favoritism. The entire CSM was created to assure players that players were overseeing CCP on some level and seeing that there was no more favoritism. ****, they literally just pulled developers out of a few player-run RP channels because favoritism. And then they start giving free **** away on the sly?
I mean, if these ships were supposed to be low-worth collectibles for special players, shouldn't CCP announce exactly how many get seeded every time and to whom? It would gives props where CCP feels props are due and lets people actually know how much their **** is worth.
Edit:
Take a gander:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3701846#post3701846
Chribba is ANGRY. I have never, ever, in 7 years of EVE, seen Chribba actually angry. And you know what? I don't blame him. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
478
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:14:00 -
[1057] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. You preach it Silens. I'm further convinced that it dones't take much to rile up the EVE community. So what CCP gave some stuff to someone, the stuff isn't real. It has no values and even if it did, it belongs to CCP. Right at this moment im typign this and killing some NPCs in pursuit of my next few plexes for my accounts, while also trying to dig up some kind of internal feeling of butt hurt at an icelandic video game company making me rat instead of giving me free imaginary space ships with bazzilions of space money. So far, nothing, but I know the but hurt must be in there somewhere! Incorrect. Something of value doesn't have to be monetary value. Something of value could be value based on time, which of course is what isk is. We invest substantial amounts of time to create isk in a competitive game. We pay CCP real money which the majority of us invest significant amounts of time to acquire. There is an option to pay real money, against time invested to acquire for plex with the intent of converting that into isk. To say that isk has no value is ignorant in regards to what value means. Even if it have some imaginary value to someone, at the end of the day, it all still belongs to CCP. Who they give things to is none of my business, nor is it yours. I get that MMOs try to create a sense of "ownership" to tie people to the game, and as I see by all the butthurt here, CCP has done particularily well in this regard. But Jesus H. Christ on a Crusty Crutch , the reaction of some of you people is as if CCP invaded France and conficated all the Croissants or something. If CCP closes tommorow, EVERYTRHING in EVE ceases to exist and I use that word loosely, because despite all the time we put into making stuff and gaining stuff in this game, NONE of it is real. Not even the Thukker Tribe Machariel CCP gave me last week is real...oh crap, wasn't supposed to meantion that, please don't shoot up a monument! I won't tell people how to feel, but I will comment on the utter stupidity of those feelings. The jealousy directed at Somer Blink and some video game account holders believing that CCP "secretly" giving away some scorpian shaped pixels is some big scandle is my idea of "person in need of going outside". I disagree. You could say the same about football or sport as well. At the end of a sports competition nothing of intrinsic value exists however the results have real value to people. When people get boosts in the form of game fixing or PEDs there is a big uproar by the fans, justifiably. They pay money and invest time and that time is wasted. Exactly the same with this game.
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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
31
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:15:00 -
[1058] - Quote
I posted a reply to Jester's Trek's latest comment on the issue. I've decided to repost it here. Probably because I'm vain.
"I don't think you're mixed up in any crazy conspiracies. But you're going to have to get used to the new reality. Tinfoil hatting 24/7.
Seriously. Who couldn't see what was coming? Introduce a new meta combat arena and the playerbase is in it to win it. For all the talk, this boils down to strategy at the meta level. ISK is a resource and the new farm is the fansite. Meta carebearing. EVE at its finest. " |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
203
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:22:00 -
[1059] - Quote
I think one of the things that people are forgetting is WHY in business people are expected to avoid these sorts of conflicts of interest. And let's be clear, when CCP rewards an IN GAME corporation for doing their job well, it is a conflict of interest. Somer is an in game entity and CC has decided to get into bed with them.
But the reason this should be avoided is not merely because we all think its bad. What if in two or three months there are reports that employees of Somer are involved in RMT'ing, even if they are not involved in RMT'ing NOW.
If that happens, how do we trust CCP to investigate that fully? We won't. You may say we should, but the fact is - we won't, and we'd have good reason.
This is why, in business, law, medicine, etc.. you avoid all appearances of conflicts of interest.
CCP screwed up on this one, there is no defending it. It doesn't mean we can't move on and be okay with it, but CCP absolutely MUST cease such a close relationship with an in-game corporation.
Additionally they should look at the impact of giving an in game item to anyone as recognition on the economy. And they should certainly STOP giving these things away secretly - not sure what sort of 'recognition' reward is supposed to be given away secretly, but the fact that CCP has done it that way shows you they knew something was up.
Let the CSM decide who should get these rewards - players rewarded by players - and remain impartial, if you even can anymore.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2980
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:23:00 -
[1060] - Quote
Galen Darksmith wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Even if it have some imaginary value to someone, at the end of the day, it all still belongs to CCP. Who they give things to is none of my business, nor is it yours.
By the same token, the whole T20 deal was "none of our business" either. After all, it was purely an internal matter, and the only thing that T20 did that was wrong was give out free **** without company permission, right? Wrong. CCP worries about favoritism. They worry about the appearance of favoritism. The entire CSM was created to assure players that players were overseeing CCP on some level and seeing that there was no more favoritism. ****, they literally just pulled developers out of a few player-run RP channels because favoritism. And then they start giving free **** away on the sly? I mean, if these ships were supposed to be low-worth collectibles for special players, shouldn't CCP announce exactly how many get seeded every time and to whom? It would gives props where CCP feels props are due and lets people actually know how much their **** is worth. Edit: Take a gander: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3701846#post3701846Chribba is ANGRY. I have never, ever, in 7 years of EVE, seen Chribba actually angry. And you know what? I don't blame him.
CCP created the CSM to be able to say "hey, we are listening" because CCP knows that a lot of their customers are over-sensative types who need such assurances.
It doesn't matter why ccp worries about appearances, what matters is wheter or not we (as supposedly grown men) can tell the difference between rela life and a video game.
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
203
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:25:00 -
[1061] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:I posted a reply to Jester's Trek's latest comment on the issue. I've decided to repost it here. Probably because I'm vain. "I don't think you're mixed up in any crazy conspiracies. But you're going to have to get used to the new reality. Tinfoil hatting 24/7. Seriously. Who couldn't see what was coming? Introduce a new meta combat arena and the playerbase is in it to win it. For all the talk, this boils down to strategy at the meta level. ISK is a resource and the new farm is the fansite. Meta carebearing. EVE at its finest. "
Honestly a CSM member should have turned down a gift from CCP. Sorry but its a clear conflict of interest, and once again the secret nature of the gift is even more disturbing. It is unethical and I hope he's voted off the CSM next go around.
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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
31
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:30:00 -
[1062] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Cameron Freerunner wrote:I posted a reply to Jester's Trek's latest comment on the issue. I've decided to repost it here. Probably because I'm vain. "I don't think you're mixed up in any crazy conspiracies. But you're going to have to get used to the new reality. Tinfoil hatting 24/7. Seriously. Who couldn't see what was coming? Introduce a new meta combat arena and the playerbase is in it to win it. For all the talk, this boils down to strategy at the meta level. ISK is a resource and the new farm is the fansite. Meta carebearing. EVE at its finest. " Honestly a CSM member should have turned down a gift from CCP. Sorry but its a clear conflict of interest, and once again the secret nature of the gift is even more disturbing. It is unethical and I hope he's voted off the CSM next go around. What gift are you referring to? And do you bother to read?
edit: I see you're DNS. Ask Trebhor about his free CSM account. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2980
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:37:00 -
[1063] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: I disagree. You could say the same about football or sport as well. At the end of a sports competition nothing of value exists however the results have real value to people. When people get boosts in the form of game fixing or PEDs there is a big uproar by the fans, justifiably. They pay money and invest time and that time is wasted. Exactly the same with this game.
So, other people are over sensative to things that don't relaly matter, so I'm justified in carring about getting imaginarily screwed over by icelandic businessmen!
Nonsense.
I live in Dallas, Texas. Today, the Dallas Cowboys lost (narrowly) to the Denver Broncos . I had a good 15 (maybe even 16) seconds of "this sucks" before returing to the reality of "ok, so one group of millionaiers lost a game to another group of millionaires. lol. It was only 15 seconds because I'm a well adjusted adult human being.
Other people were on the streets MAD at the world because "they" lost(as if it were them who were on theplaying field throwing interceptions, WTB new Cowboys quaterback btw). I wanted to tell a few of the worst ones who were cussing andlooking for thing to throw that, if the worst thing that happens to you today is that your sports team loses, you're having a good day.
"They" didn't lose anything (unless they were dumb enough to bet on the cowboys lol). Of course th NFL wants people to feel a certain way, they make money off it like CCP does. But that means nothing, it's just a game, a voluntary activity that has no meaning to anyone save the made up meaning of "wins" and "loses". When countries start using "Sport" (ol, sport, you must be a brit, it's SPORTS damn it) to settle territorial disputes and player litteralyl die on the field, i'll personally assing each game it's proper amoun of import.
If you don't like what CCP is doing so much that you spend precious time of your life posting about in in anger, unsub. Quietly.
On a side note, that would be one hell of an epitath on your tombstone one day: "Here lies Rob aka Infinity Ziona, he never did much in life but by God he let CCP know how unfair things were in a video game"
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5978
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:39:00 -
[1064] - Quote
It's not "overly sensitive types".
It's the fact that we're playing a sandbox game which depends on CCP having a laissez-faire approach to the way that players provide content to the game.
If CCP rewards certain organizations for the content they provide and not others, it drastically alters the motivations for providing content and as a result people will provide different kinds of content. Then content providers are no longer community-oriented, they're appeasement-oriented. And that's severely damaging to the kind of game that EVE is.
EVE is a hobby to us. It's as real as any other hobby. Just because it's pixels generated by a client that receives data from a computer program running on a server in London, doesn't mean that we're not engaging in an environment where actions have consequences and meaning. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
203
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:40:00 -
[1065] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote: What gift are you referring to? And do you bother to read?
Got some wonky intel. My apologies. Post edited.
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Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
97
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:40:00 -
[1066] - Quote
If had been widely known what CCP had planned for the Ishukone Scorpion ships, the speculation price would have never been as high as it was. Now that it is known, the price of those ships is dropping fast. I doubt many more sales happen over 10b. The more that are handed out the lower the price will be.
Those that CCP rewards first get the most benefit from this reward. The person receiving the 1000th ship is sure out of luck. If only they had done something to get in CCP's good graces early on. With each new 'reward', the reward becomes less special. If CCP hands out enough of the Ishukone Scorpion ship that the price becomes nearly worthless like some people want, it would make the gift from CCP just as meaningless. If CCP wants to reward players for community involvement, in-game gifts is not the way to do it.
There are many high profile players and sites mention that are said worthy of recognition by CCP for a job well done. What I wonder about is the thousands of players that toil in relative obscurity making this game better by hosting small events for others to enjoy. Because they don't seek the limelight, they will forever be excluded from any sort of gift by CCP. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4733
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:47:00 -
[1067] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not "overly sensitive types".
It's the fact that we're playing a sandbox game which depends on CCP having a laissez-faire approach to the way that players provide content to the game.
If CCP rewards certain organizations for the content they provide and not others, it drastically alters the motivations for providing content and as a result people will provide different kinds of content. Then content providers are no longer community-oriented, they're appeasement-oriented. And that's severely damaging to the kind of game that EVE is.
EVE is a hobby to us. It's as real as any other hobby. Just because it's pixels generated by a client that receives data from a computer program running on a server in London, doesn't mean that we're not engaging in an environment where actions have consequences and meaning. goon tears There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:04:00 -
[1068] - Quote
Seriously, CCP should apologize to some of the real fansites / program developers who actually have positively contributed much more to Eve and it's community, first and foremost, Chribba, and the developers of EFT and EveMon, just to name a few.
While the Eve related gambling websites, which are parasites, feeding off gambling addicts, are getting rewarded for being such a great cash cow to CCP, has CCP ever even thanked these real fansites for making Eve an even better experience? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4733
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:05:00 -
[1069] - Quote
Deka Ekato wrote:Seriously, CCP should apologize to some of the real fansites / program developers who actually have positively contributed much more to Eve and it's community, first and foremost, Chribba, and the developers of EFT and EveMon, just to name a few.
While the Eve related gambling websites, which are parasites, feeding off gambling addicts, are getting rewarded for being such a great cash cow to CCP, has CCP ever even thanked these real fansites for making Eve an even better experience? did those experiences result in cash There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4733
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:05:00 -
[1070] - Quote
basically, it's like this, people didn't realize the real meta is the making money for ccp competition
now you know There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
123
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:19:00 -
[1071] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:basically, it's like this, people didn't realize the real meta is the making money for ccp competition
now you know
I wish they had chosen to reward this with physical items rather than fouling up the sandbox.
I don't understand CCP's choices over this, publicly they're extolling the virtues of the sandbox of Eve, and privately they're giving rare items (of great wealth) to their 'best buddies'. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
604
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:24:00 -
[1072] - Quote
1. Start your own successful EVE casino. 2. Receive unique ships from CCP as a gift. 3. Profit
.. are you jealous? GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5981
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:27:00 -
[1073] - Quote
TharOkha wrote:1. Start your own successful EVE casino. 2. Receive unique ships from CCP as a gift. 3. Profit
.. are you jealous? Are you stupid? [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpoY8CiN89R3ThYDf_D8M3w/videos[/url] Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4734
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:28:00 -
[1074] - Quote
Riyal wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:basically, it's like this, people didn't realize the real meta is the making money for ccp competition
now you know I wish they had chosen to reward this with physical items rather than fouling up the sandbox. I don't understand CCP's choices over this, publicly they're extolling the virtues of the sandbox of Eve, and privately they're giving rare items (of great wealth) to their 'best buddies'. eve online is real, and real is eve online
what's more real than dollars, or euros or krona There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4734
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:29:00 -
[1075] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:TharOkha wrote:1. Start your own successful EVE casino. 2. Receive unique ships from CCP as a gift. 3. Profit
.. are you jealous? Are you stupid? I will ask the CFC finance team if they can make a casino. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
sXyphos
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:18:00 -
[1076] - Quote
Personally i don't really care for this(being a small fish and all, but i get that giving away billions of isk for free is unprofessional to say the least) but seriously does CCP have a "PR" "manager", i mean really do they consult someone before they do something like this and discuss the impact on the player base? Even if you don't care you can't ignore this, especially that "hint" to not dump them all on the market at once, you have 10 years experience with this game and its players mentality and you do this?
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2361
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:32:00 -
[1077] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Upon reflection, something occurred to me. Somer got rewarded TWICE. Once with the scorps, once with the drawing. That's a whole lot of rewardin' goin' on.
Between free accounts for fansites and giant piles of ISK, CCP has expertly managed to undermine EVE-related journalism (if it can be called that). Bloggers and site operators now have an incentive to engage in self-censorship and cheerleading. After all, who wants to cheat themselves out of assloads of ISK? It's all the more concerning because a significant portion of the CSM have sites or are closely affiliated with one. I'm not making a straight up accusation, but this is precisely why professional news organizations have such strict ethics guidelines. It's the reason that Amazon, Yelp, and other internet sites fight so hard against fake reviews and the like. Giving and receiving gifts or money fundamentally undermines confidence in the product and the sites themselves.
If the basic argument that many of the CSM are making is "CCP can do whatever they want, it's their game," my question is where is the line? If there is none, then we start getting into old school tinfoil hattery, but this time, it will have an actual basis in fact. And once the theorizing begins, it will never end. Will they begin justifying other actions on the basis of player retention or new player recruitment? How will we be able to tell? If anyone thinks CCP's eventual list of rules for this stuff will clear it all up, you obviously haven't been playing EVE for long.
There really isn't any point in continuing this thread. The die is cast *cough*. Your only real decision is whether to log on or log off. If you choose to log on, you can STFU already, because you're simply validating their decisions.
Yes, it's funny how somer - what is basically an online casino - gets rewarded multiple times, yet people like chribba, organisations like eve-uni, rvb, etc don't get jack. You know, people and organisations who actually add incalculable value to the game and community. This isn't really a dig at somer, people love their gambling and thats great that organisations within eve exist for that, but CCP is way way way overplaying how much somer "provide" for the community.
Also, the statements that it was done for the good they've provided doesn't quite make sense, why would it have to be kept a secret if that were the case?
It's clear, indefensible bias. It's the kind of thing that tarnishes CCPs reputation, makes people reconsider their choice to play this game, and makes some nasty headlines |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
434
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:38:00 -
[1078] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time? Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses. I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first.
Maybe CCP did - as in maybe this is one of those things that isn't covered under NDA but the CSM (ALL OF THEM) think we shouldn't be told for our own good. It's nice that the CSM mommy's and daddy's hold our hands isn't it?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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TharOkha
0asis Group
604
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:48:00 -
[1079] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:TharOkha wrote:1. Start your own successful EVE casino. 2. Receive unique ships from CCP as a gift. 3. Profit
.. are you jealous? Are you stupid?
Just trolling
GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
186
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:51:00 -
[1080] - Quote
As much as i appreciate what EVE-UNI, RvB, Chribba, etc... are bringing to the community, we must all keep in mind that the real goal is that there is no favouritism whatsoever in the sandbox. If slimy CCP announces that they will also give some items to them, don't fall in their trap ! It's not at all addressing our problem ! The corruption and the cronyims stay ! |
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TharOkha
0asis Group
604
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:56:00 -
[1081] - Quote
Well, that just proves the point that EVE is focking real. Corruption, nepotism, favoritism, followed by scandals. Its all part of the sandbox. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5987
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:02:00 -
[1082] - Quote
CCP is decidedly outside of the sandbox.
Many of the things that CCP does in interaction with the EVE world we tolerate (for the most part) because they still leave plenty of room for player created content, and they're fun. Things like CCP roams through lowsec, the Alliance Tournaments, and live events where the outcome is pretty much predetermined.
But CCP so substantially rewarding a player group, multiple times, for a set of arbitrary and undefined contributions isn't something we should tolerate. One might be tempted to suggest that the way to mitigate this is to reward all player groups and entities for their contributions to the community, but that rapidly devalues any reward that's given (unless they're substantially unique from each other, which causes problems of its own). The easiest and best way to avoid this issue entirely is just to forgo rewarding any player group with in-game content for their contributions to the community. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
TharOkha
0asis Group
604
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:12:00 -
[1083] - Quote
I'm not saying that it is good and right. I'm just saying that it is a part of meta-game sandbox. And that's why i love EVE after all this years. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
364
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:21:00 -
[1084] - Quote
But CCP shouldn't be meta gaming the sandbox it should be the players, besides this isn't meta gaming anyway. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5988
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:23:00 -
[1085] - Quote
It's not metagaming when the person who's gaming the system makes the rules and there's nothing you can do about it besides quit playing.
I mean come on now, what fun is that? None. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
816
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:35:00 -
[1086] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:basically, it's like this, people didn't realize the real meta is the making money for ccp competition
now you know
the real meta is that ccp wants to make money off their product called eve online?... that's deep... real deep I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5988
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:47:00 -
[1087] - Quote
CCP is already making money quite handsomely. There shouldn't be a need to compromise the spirit of the game to make more, because in the long term that leads to rather bad things. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11997
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:55:00 -
[1088] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:the spirit of the game
CCP give away hundreds of billions of ISK worth of unique ships every year.
They also give away special edition ships for commercial reasons every year.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5990
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:56:00 -
[1089] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:the spirit of the game CCP give away hundreds of billions of ISK worth of unique ships every year. They also give away special edition ships for commercial reasons every year. We've been over this before. You should perhaps read more carefully about why some of these are acceptable and why some of these aren't. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Kate stark
331
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Posted - 2013.10.07 09:02:00 -
[1090] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:the spirit of the game CCP give away hundreds of billions of ISK worth of unique ships every year. They also give away special edition ships for commercial reasons every year.
ships ain't even the issue. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
64
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Posted - 2013.10.07 09:51:00 -
[1091] - Quote
This reminds me of the BoB scandle back in the day.
SOMER don't need free ****, they earn so much already. Especially since I know first hand that they ban players from using their site when they get ganked :) |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
188
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Posted - 2013.10.07 09:59:00 -
[1092] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:the spirit of the game CCP give away hundreds of billions of ISK worth of unique ships every year. They also give away special edition ships for commercial reasons every year.
And yet another CSM member confirming that we have nothing to await from them. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:05:00 -
[1093] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:While I can see how how people might make a t20 comparison we have to understand the difference. In one circumstance we had a tech ii lottery where a dev cheated and gave bob a potential unlimited isk faucet (secondary not primary)
The second was a ship sitting in the database that ccp decided to use as a promotional item that has a diminishing value as more are given out. People have already said they are fine scl people got one. The only misstep on ccp behalf was not not letting the comunity know the intended purpose for the ship.
Honestly with the fact the ship was originally designed for the nex store im happy they are using it in the first place.
To use a clich+¬ you guys are making mountains out of mole hills
This sounds pretty good.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:09:00 -
[1094] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:I have no issue with if CCP have a relationship with Somer.
Both are businesses. Many Businesses have relationships that are beneficial to each other.
I would have no issues if CCP gave any business non in game promotional items in order to make themselves more money by iether encouraging more people to sub or to purchase GTC's.
If CCP gave Somer say Eve Store Vouchers, great, brilliant.. no problems what so ever. Give them limited Edition Tops for example.
If CCP gave Business X something similar, again , I have no problems.
The issues in this case is that CCP gave players free items that can have an effect in game in total secrecy.
The issue I have with a business relationship between SOMER and CCP is that if they are going to be/behave like business partners, then they should be held acountable as such.
This means that SOMER members need to be held to the same standards as CCP employees with regards to their interaction with the game as players. If they are unwilling to do this, then it compromises the integrity of the game.
On a different but related subject, I understand that there are individuals who were formerly associated with SOMER Blink who are now employed by CCP. There are rumors that CCP Navigator is one of them. Before the tinfoil gets layed on too thick, can anyone provide any facts/evidence to either confirm or disprove this? I think this would be an important piece of information to have, as either way it could significantly impact the discussion, but it most definitely needs verification before being taken into consideration. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5999
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:13:00 -
[1095] - Quote
The value of a T2 BPO is not "unlimited". Neutron Blaster Cannon IIs can be used to give me unlimited isk. That doesn't mean they have infinite or exorbitant values.
If a T2 BPO is regularly bought and sold at 10 billion ISK, then it has a value of 10 billion ISK. Saying that since T2 BPOs can be used to manufacture T2 items indefinitely they have value beyond their market price is absurd. You know what else can be used to manufacture T2 items indefinitely? T1 BPOs. It's just a few added steps with some consumables and a game of chance, but there's not much difference otherwise. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:18:00 -
[1096] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:the spirit of the game CCP give away hundreds of billions of ISK worth of unique ships every year. They also give away special edition ships for commercial reasons every year.
Giveaways from CCP directly to winners of contests versus enriching a corporation to hundreds of billions so they can give the prizes away, gaining brand awareness, increased traffic and revenue.
Giving awards to people who perform a valuable service for the community versus enriching people who 'work' for a corporation and earn billions for doing so.
There are two options here if you don't understand the difference between these points, you're either utterly incapable of comprehending the difference between charity and enrichment, or you're just shilling for CCP.
Which is it? |
Rheinkraft
Proteus Down
6
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:19:00 -
[1097] - Quote
This highlights the problem with the game right now.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6000
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:25:00 -
[1098] - Quote
Rheinkraft wrote:This highlights the problem with the game right now.
You've thrown your support behind everything and nothing at the same time. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Prince Kobol
992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:30:00 -
[1099] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I have no issue with if CCP have a relationship with Somer.
Both are businesses. Many Businesses have relationships that are beneficial to each other.
I would have no issues if CCP gave any business non in game promotional items in order to make themselves more money by iether encouraging more people to sub or to purchase GTC's.
If CCP gave Somer say Eve Store Vouchers, great, brilliant.. no problems what so ever. Give them limited Edition Tops for example.
If CCP gave Business X something similar, again , I have no problems.
The issues in this case is that CCP gave players free items that can have an effect in game in total secrecy. The issue I have with a business relationship between SOMER and CCP is that if they are going to be/behave like business partners, then they should be held acountable as such. This means that SOMER members need to be held to the same standards as CCP employees with regards to their interaction with the game as players. If they are unwilling to do this, then it compromises the integrity of the game.
If you believe this then I am afraid to say your are being very naive.
By the same token you could say if CCP have a business partnership with Nvidia then you expect Nvidia employees to be held to the same standards as CCP employees?
Also in the way you have worded your post are saying that Somer employees have done something wrong, acted inappropriately in some way?
As far as I am aware no member of Somer has acted inappropriately or doing anything wrong.
Yes there have been accusations that they are involved in RMT, but then this is the Eve Forums where every major Null Sec alliance has been accused of RMT numerous times over of the years and will mostly continued to be accused of it.
If somebody can show some proof that Somerblink the business or a employee of Somer has acted inappropriately then fair enough, until then it is very unfair it make out that they have done something wrong.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6003
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:38:00 -
[1100] - Quote
Well the question of whether SOMER is involved in RMT or not has more to do with what is considered RMT and what isn't, rather than any debate on the veracity of the evidence presented.
I petitioned the matter and was told that they've already looked into it and concluded that SOMER is not doing RMT.
That's not terribly relevant to this discussion, however. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
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Prince Kobol
992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:49:00 -
[1101] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Well the question of whether SOMER is involved in RMT or not has more to do with what is considered RMT and what isn't, rather than any debate on the veracity of the evidence presented.
I petitioned the matter and was told that they've already looked into it and concluded that SOMER is not doing RMT.
That's not terribly relevant to this discussion, however.
Well it depends as many people seem to have taken the view that Somer is in the wrong or have acted inappropriately.
As far as I can tell they actually haven't done anything wrong.
You could question whether it was morally right of them to accept the gifts which CCP offered but then again I believe most people would accept gifts from CCP.
I still believe CCP are wrong, not in regards to giving the gifts, but in the type of gifts they gave and the manner in which they gave them. |
Catherine Au
Iris Industry and Innovations
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:51:00 -
[1102] - Quote
I know! Let's PROMOTE our relationship by us giving you some valuable and shiny ships. But SHUSH! Don't tell anyone!
Still no response to the CCP? Come on.... |
Kate stark
336
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:52:00 -
[1103] - Quote
to be honest, somer blink are actually pretty irrelevant in this story.
replace somer blink with basically any other person/group/whatever and we've still got the same problem. same can be said if you replace scorpions with plex, or monocles, etc. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
115
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:53:00 -
[1104] - Quote
If you believe this is jealousy (and this really does explain the csm's reaction if they share this thought) Then at least in my case your wrong. This should not be happening to anyone giving out anything more than a plex or a free account is seriously game changing unless they've done something to earn it in game like win a tourny. I'm really sorry you feel this way and I think your missing the point.
This isn't about somer either but I'll use them as an example. If they now take the profits from selling these ships and from the lotteries from the other give aways they can potentially use hundreds of billions of isk (if not a trillion) to fund an alliance or a coalition and break the balance of eve online. While this is content creation and would be good for the game in the long run it is unfair that ccp has anything to do with this.
I'm not a member of one of the big coalitions I'm just a scrub in a lowsec corp atm. This won't effect me in a really big way but its not fair or part of the sandbox that ccp should be affecting it like this. People need to work hard in game for in game benefits. If they want to support these sites then give them out of game loot, Support for running their servers or a special non sellable item which can't be transferred or a in game medal which means they have some bragging power not some game changing items.
Do ccp have a PR guy because any decent one would tear his or her hair out at a company not looking at us and wondering maybe they might get annoyed. |
Prince Kobol
994
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:58:00 -
[1105] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:to be honest, somer blink are actually pretty irrelevant in this story.
replace somer blink with basically any other person/group/whatever and we've still got the same problem. same can be said if you replace scorpions with plex, or monocles, etc.
You have said this, I have said this and many others have as well, yet people still seem to be hung up with the fact that it was Somer.
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Kate stark
338
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:04:00 -
[1106] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:to be honest, somer blink are actually pretty irrelevant in this story.
replace somer blink with basically any other person/group/whatever and we've still got the same problem. same can be said if you replace scorpions with plex, or monocles, etc. You have said this, I have said this and many others have as well, yet people still seem to be hung up with the fact that it was Somer.
The fact that some of those people are CSM members is, quite frankly, terrifying. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Prince Kobol
996
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:06:00 -
[1107] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:to be honest, somer blink are actually pretty irrelevant in this story.
replace somer blink with basically any other person/group/whatever and we've still got the same problem. same can be said if you replace scorpions with plex, or monocles, etc. You have said this, I have said this and many others have as well, yet people still seem to be hung up with the fact that it was Somer. The fact that some of those people are CSM members is, quite frankly, terrifying.
Yeah I do find it a troubling that some CSM members seem to be missing the point. |
Milly Merner
sebiestor tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:26:00 -
[1108] - Quote
I would guess:
The lack of response from CCP means this is far worse than it appears. An internal enquiry is happening atm. CSM have their hands tied due to the internal enquiry. PR people are ripping their hair out.
End of guessing, now some opinion: What happened affects CCP's customers in game and stinks of corruption. CCP need to speak up quickly.
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
81
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:31:00 -
[1109] - Quote
Milly Merner wrote:I would guess:
The lack of response from CCP means this is far worse than it appears. An internal enquiry is happening atm. CSM have their hands tied due to the internal enquiry. PR people are ripping their hair out.
End of guessing, now some opinion: What happened affects CCP's customers in game and stinks of corruption. CCP need to speak up quickly.
Or they decided to keep silent, because: "All we have to say, we said last time." Waiting to the dust get-¦s settled. And then act like there is nothing happend. |
Prince Kobol
997
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:31:00 -
[1110] - Quote
Milly Merner wrote:I would guess:
The lack of response from CCP means this is far worse than it appears. An internal enquiry is happening atm. CSM have their hands tied due to the internal enquiry. PR people are ripping their hair out.
End of guessing, now some opinion: What happened affects CCP's customers in game and stinks of corruption. CCP need to speak up quickly.
Or quite simply people are getting on with there work whilst others discuss this in a mild manner, possible waiting to see if they can discuss things with the CSM (TZ issues) and putting together a statement.
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Kate stark
339
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:32:00 -
[1111] - Quote
if that's ccp's plan... then god help them. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
308
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:34:00 -
[1112] - Quote
I don't know why some people don't get it. CCP gifted a player corp 450b isk for doing nothing more than playing Eve Online. Hello? |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 11:36:00 -
[1113] - Quote
Milly Merner wrote: CSM have their hands tied due to the internal enquiry.
Except both Ripard Teg and Malcanis have posted/blogged to say that it's no big deal and it's all fine. Which is not having their hands tied, but going all out to try and defend CCP in spite of the manifest bias and ethical issues involved in their actions.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 11:39:00 -
[1114] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: Or quite simply people are getting on with there work whilst others discuss this in a mild manner, possible waiting to see if they can discuss things with the CSM (TZ issues) and putting together a statement.
CCP managed to send statements to both TMC and Kotaku over the weekend. The statements ignored the salient issues and were a typical PR whitewash, but they've already come out trying to claim there's nothing to this.
So taking those statements on face value, CCP sees nothing wrong with them enriching a corporation to hundreds of billions of personal isk, and hundreds of billions of corporate profit.
Can we have the CFC-only T2 titans please? Obviously we provided a community service yesterday in losing one, so we're a really good choice to receive some unique ships to use how we want. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
194
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 11:39:00 -
[1115] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Or they decided to keep silent, because: "All we have to say, we said last time." Waiting to the dust get-¦s settled. And then act like there is nothing happend.
I bet they will come up with a lame excuse (in fact just like the one they already gave us) and will maybe give away, or promise to give away, some free stuff to EVE-UNI, Chribba, RvB, etc... just to confuse people enough to make them forget that the real point is that there is corruption and favouritism which is damaging the sandbox.
Edit : seeing how many people accuse us of jealousy shows how easy it is to confuse them. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:45:00 -
[1116] - Quote
WTB jelly pot for 3500 Aurum.
Or eventually accept all jelly donation from Somer Blink.
Thx Ma *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kate stark
339
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:48:00 -
[1117] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:WTB jelly pot for 3500 Aurum.
Or eventually accept all jelly donation from Somer Blink.
Thx Ma
i see you've decided to continue posting irrelevant nonsensical stuff rather than familiarise yourself with the topic being discussed. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
61
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:51:00 -
[1118] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote: Oh calm the hell down. You really should do some fact checking before sperging out things like 'SOMER doesn't create content for EVE'. They are constantly donating to events such and RvB Ganked nights, all my events as well as countless others. Those sponsorship help those player events actually become a reality. Somer is not the only site that sponsors player events either. Many do.
Now I'm going to wait for more information on this Scorpion hull deal, but holy crap some of you need hit the brakes and really sit down, gather all the facts and then make an educated opinion on this.
yeah, they went mining for days in order to sponsor these events. Nothing to do with them making any kind of profit of their site or public relations for the site...
To me it does smell of favoritism. A thing I don't like much in games.
If they want to promote such activities, what about announcing it properly, get community feedback and then hand out prices?
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Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:55:00 -
[1119] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:WTB jelly pot for 3500 Aurum.
Or eventually accept all jelly donation from Somer Blink.
Thx Ma i see you've decided to continue posting irrelevant nonsensical stuff rather than familiarise yourself with the topic being discussed.
What?! No one does this! Crazy talk! Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
Chance Harper
Northen Star Corporation
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:04:00 -
[1120] - Quote
wow 56 pages filled with whine. You all act like a bunch of 9yr olds. Aslong it is not destroying the balance in the game, its not your damn business, what CCP is giving away to who.
I would understand the rage, if they would have get some ueberships or super rare BPOs but thats not the case. They got some ships that doesnt even perform aswell like their standard counterparts. |
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
432
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:06:00 -
[1121] - Quote
*checks redeem box...le sigh what nothing?
I don't think I can make a site for weak minded gambling addicts to throw their stuff away but I did do 1y sub just last night for one of my chars that must be worth at least one painted ship...
* shake fist. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
39
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:07:00 -
[1122] - Quote
The ONLY party in EVE CCP might ever decide to somehow back by giving them some massive gift like these "to give away as they see fit" would be to Chribba. There's someone who has actually benefitted the community (and even more CCP themselves) and who acttively helps retaining the EVE player base (if it wasn't for his sites EVE would be a whole lot shittier and would have a whole lot let players, eve-search anyone?).
It's funny how someone like Chribba gets passed on anything funky, cool or interesting for years and some shady RMT/gambling for profit bullcrap gets backed. "Honest, we know for a fact Somer isn't part of an RMT chain oh no", CCP's left hand is entirely clueless on what its right hand does, so how would they know.
It's a bad decision It's terribly thought out by someone who obviously has no clue it's done in the shadows, for obvious reasons it's :CCP:
Also, a tip to CCP:
I'm sure there were some people within your organisation would thought this would have been a bad idea and who kept trying to convine the people in charge that it shouldn't be done, these were obviously brushed aside for being annoying and tiring. YOU SHOULD LISTEN MORE TO THOSE PEOPLE AND LESS TO THE MARKETING CLOWNS. |
Prince Kobol
999
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:07:00 -
[1123] - Quote
Chance Harper wrote:wow 56 pages filled with whine. You all act like a bunch of 9yr olds. Aslong it is not destroying the balance in the game, its not your damn business, what CCP is giving away to who.
I would understand the rage, if they would have get some ueberships or super rare BPOs but thats not the case. They got some ships that doesnt even perform aswell like their standard counterparts.
How do you know they haven't?
We have found out that they were giving ships away that are worth billions of isk, what else and to whom have them been giving stuff to? |
Kate stark
341
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:08:00 -
[1124] - Quote
Chance Harper wrote:Aslong it is not destroying the balance in the game, its not your damn business, what CCP is giving away to who.
except it opens the door for exactly that scenario. by allowing this we're essentially telling ccp they're perfectly fine to hand any players they want, anything they want to give them.
although it seems people are too short sighted to realise that. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:08:00 -
[1125] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I have no issue with if CCP have a relationship with Somer.
Both are businesses. Many Businesses have relationships that are beneficial to each other.
I would have no issues if CCP gave any business non in game promotional items in order to make themselves more money by iether encouraging more people to sub or to purchase GTC's.
If CCP gave Somer say Eve Store Vouchers, great, brilliant.. no problems what so ever. Give them limited Edition Tops for example.
If CCP gave Business X something similar, again , I have no problems.
The issues in this case is that CCP gave players free items that can have an effect in game in total secrecy. The issue I have with a business relationship between SOMER and CCP is that if they are going to be/behave like business partners, then they should be held acountable as such. This means that SOMER members need to be held to the same standards as CCP employees with regards to their interaction with the game as players. If they are unwilling to do this, then it compromises the integrity of the game. If you believe this then I am afraid to say your are being very naive. By the same token you could say if CCP have a business partnership with Nvidia then you expect Nvidia employees to be held to the same standards as CCP employees? Also in the way you have worded your post are saying that Somer employees have done something wrong, acted inappropriately in some way? By saying that Somer employees should be held accountable makes it out that they have done something wrong or acted inappropriately. As far as I am aware no member of Somer has acted inappropriately or done anything wrong. Yes there have been accusations that they are involved in RMT, but then this is the Eve Forums where every major Null Sec alliance has been accused of RMT numerous times over of the years and will mostly continued to be accused of it. If somebody can show some proof that Somerblink the business or a employee of Somer has acted inappropriately then fair enough, until then it is very unfair it make out that they have done something wrong.
I know that if the company I work for offers a promotional contest or the like, that both employees of my company and any of our business partners who may be connected to such an event in any way are ineligible for participation. We have very strict ethics requirements in place to prevent even the appearance of a conflict of interest, and such policies are standard practice for most businesses. Is it unreasonable or naive to expect the same from CCP?
Let me be clear: I'm not faulting Somer here, I'm faulting CCP for not taking proper precautions to avoid the appearance of impropriety. If CCP is going to initiate a business relationship with another entity, then they need to enforce similar ethics compliance standards. If they are going to hand over some of the powers of the game developers to another group (distribution of game assets, control over player participation, etc.), then they need to make sure that the ones given those powers are held to the same standards of non-interference as their own employees. To do any less is to do a disservice to their customers. Somer may behave completely upright in their handling of the issue, but CCP has a responsibility to ensure this, and to be in a position to assure their players that everything is handled fairly and equitably. They cannot do this if there is no such standard in place. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
309
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 12:09:00 -
[1126] - Quote
Chance Harper wrote:I would understand the rage, if they would have get some ueberships or super rare BPOs but thats not the case.
Erm, you can sell those ships for 450b isk and buy yourself some uberships or super rare BPOs. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:13:00 -
[1127] - Quote
Chance Harper wrote:wow 56 pages filled with whine. You all act like a bunch of 9yr olds. Aslong it is not destroying the balance in the game, its not your damn business, what CCP is giving away to who.
I would understand the rage, if they would have get some ueberships or super rare BPOs but thats not the case. They got some ships that doesnt even perform aswell like their standard counterparts.
How far must the balance be tipped before it is considered "destroyed"?
Maybe some are interested in righting that balance before it gets that far. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6013
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:13:00 -
[1128] - Quote
Things have value in this game... who knew? -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:44:00 -
[1129] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Things have value in this game... who knew? but when somebody ganks you or steals your stuff "it's just the game, relax and have fun" |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6016
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:45:00 -
[1130] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Things have value in this game... who knew? but when somebody ganks you or steals your stuff "it's just the game, relax and have fun" Because it was done by a player. -áFavoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:49:00 -
[1131] - Quote
I don't get mad when someone checkmates me in chess because it's just a game.
I do get mad when someone cheats at chess because it's just a game.
In both cases it's just a game, but they represent enormous differences in the implications.
The apologist obtuseness is beyond contempt. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
79
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:58:00 -
[1132] - Quote
They should refund the fanfest tournament people their plex back, it seems we are the only people who have actually paid for this ship now. I didn't mind giving away 30 plex to enter as it was a bit off fun(I say a bit because it was so badly organised it was unreal) and for charity, but truth be told my main incentive was the ship as a rare ship collector I cant help feel I should sell everything I have and just have my isk in my wallet before CCP devalues my entire asset worth overnight. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
217
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:02:00 -
[1133] - Quote
Chance Harper wrote:wow 56 pages filled with whine. You all act like a bunch of 9yr olds. Aslong it is not destroying the balance in the game, its not your damn business, what CCP is giving away to who.
I would understand the rage, if they would have get some ueberships or super rare BPOs but thats not the case. They got some ships that doesnt even perform aswell like their standard counterparts.
They basically handed out the ISK equivalent of a supercapital hull to 30 people. I'm sure that will not affect the balance in any way. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1324
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:06:00 -
[1134] - Quote
I always try to understand the other side in an argument, but I just can't see it this time.
If they had given 30 special scorps to Goons, the game could literally have collapsed by now from unsubbing. That's the problem. The fact that it was Somer and not Goons is meaningless. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kate stark
341
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:08:00 -
[1135] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:I always try to understand the other side in an argument, but I just can't see it this time.
If they had given 30 special scorps to Goons, the game could literally have collapsed by now from unsubbing. That's the problem. The fact that it was Somer and not Goons is meaningless.
next time it might be. it might also be nyxes not scorpions.
and this is why allowing them to hand out **** to people in secret is a terrible idea. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2366
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:12:00 -
[1136] - Quote
If the CSMs response to this is along the lines of "this is fine, anyone who doesn't agree is just a child who is jealous" then... haha, oh wow
I'll be glad to be done with this company, and with this community, if thats how it works |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:12:00 -
[1137] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Chance Harper wrote:wow 56 pages filled with whine. You all act like a bunch of 9yr olds. Aslong it is not destroying the balance in the game, its not your damn business, what CCP is giving away to who.
I would understand the rage, if they would have get some ueberships or super rare BPOs but thats not the case. They got some ships that doesnt even perform aswell like their standard counterparts. They basically handed out the ISK equivalent of a supercapital hull to 30 people. I'm sure that will not affect the balance in any way. 30 supercapitals is what? it's like 2-3% of PL fleet?
Last time i've heard about PL they had 1500 members and each of them had titan or supercarrier (public info from Shadoo on Alliance Tournament)
yea, these "30 supercapital hulls" will really HEAVILY AFFECT ballance |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
373
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:20:00 -
[1138] - Quote
CCP is always good for a laugh.
You have to appreciate people taking actions without thinking about the consequences.
Maybe one day I can start a marginally popular video game company and do stupid sh!t just because I feel like it.
Not today spaghetti. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
218
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:21:00 -
[1139] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Last time i've heard about PL they had 1500 members and each of them had titan or supercarrier (public info from Shadoo on Alliance Tournament) yea, these "30 supercapital hulls" will really HEAVILY AFFECT ballance
I'm sure there are entities in this game that WILL be affected if their enemy shows up with some additional supers. Mate, not everyone in this game is in PL (yet). And what will it be next time? 30 titans? 20 stations? What is your price? |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
53
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:23:00 -
[1140] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:If the CSMs response to this is along the lines of "this is fine, anyone who doesn't agree is just a child who is jealous" then... haha, oh wow
I'll be glad to be done with this company, and with this community, if thats how it works I run 6 'main' accounts and 5 for training toons to sell. If I lose any isk on the SIW I currently possess, it will be due to CCP allowing blink employees to engage in insider trading with them for ~6 weeks. Simply unacceptable. So, I have started letting my accounts lapse, it will be -11 on my end when all is said and done if CCP doesn't do something to fix this and make sure it doesn't happen again. GG. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2982
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:37:00 -
[1141] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:If the CSMs response to this is along the lines of "this is fine, anyone who doesn't agree is just a child who is jealous" then... haha, oh wow
I'll be glad to be done with this company, and with this community, if thats how it works
That's your right brother, and I'd miss you.
But at the end of the day, CCP is a company that neither you nor I own. The only thing they owe us is access to EVE online when we pay them our sub, and only so long as they offer EVE online as a service. God knows they've made move after move I've disliked in my 6 years of playing. If they do something I can't stand, Im simply going to quit and go play something else (like SC, since it's going to kill EVE anyway).
The posistion of the CSM members who are saying this is no big deal is correct. I'm not saying that because I'm getting anything for it (*me waits for Ishukone Scorp with ghetto rims from CCP*), but because I simply find all this crying unworthy of a mature community. It looks more like WoW forums around here than what you'd expect from a game populated by grown men.
Anyone who dones't like what the game company does should ball up and unsub and be done with it. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2982
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:39:00 -
[1142] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:If the CSMs response to this is along the lines of "this is fine, anyone who doesn't agree is just a child who is jealous" then... haha, oh wow
I'll be glad to be done with this company, and with this community, if thats how it works I run 6 'main' accounts and 5 for training toons to sell. If I lose any isk on the SIW I currently possess, it will be due to CCP allowing blink employees to engage in insider trading with them for ~6 weeks. Simply unacceptable. So, I have started letting my accounts lapse, it will be -11 on my end when all is said and done if CCP doesn't do something to fix this and make sure it doesn't happen again. GG.
if you carry thourgh on this, all good, at least you'll be putting your money where you mouth is, no matter how silly I think it is to stop playing a game because the game maker gave someone else some pixels. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6023
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:40:00 -
[1143] - Quote
"I don't care to understand the issues involved, I just know that people are always wrong when they're complaining about something." - Jenn aSide Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
374
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:45:00 -
[1144] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: But at the end of the day, CCP is a company that neither you nor I own. The only thing they owe us is access to EVE online when we pay them our sub, and only so long as they offer EVE online as a service. God knows they've made move after move I've disliked in my 6 years of playing. If they do something I can't stand, Im simply going to quit and go play something else (like SC, since it's going to kill EVE anyway).
The posistion of the CSM members who are saying this is no big deal is correct. I'm not saying that because I'm getting anything for it (*me waits for Ishukone Scorp with ghetto rims from CCP*), but because I simply find all this crying unworthy of a mature community. It looks more like WoW forums around here than what you'd expect from a game populated by grown men.
Anyone who dones't like what the game company does should ball up and unsub and be done with it.
I think the main cause for outcry here is the repeated attempts by CCP to regain the trust they lost from incidents like BoB and Incarna.
Go back and read Hilmar's letter of apology after the 'Greed is Good' incident and take it into account with this situation.
Actions speak louder than words and this is a lot like what CCP does time and time again, favoritism for whatever reason without regards to the bulk of their playerbase.
If this was the first time something like this happened there would be whining but not of this magnitude. Not today spaghetti. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2982
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:48:00 -
[1145] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I don't care to understand the issues involved, I just know that people are always wrong when they're complaining about something." - Jenn aSide
You know better than that James. i do exactly understand the issue, and find that "issue" unworthy of anger be a grown man. If you don't like what is happening, don't be a whiney child about it.
Have the balls to unsub, walk away and don't give CCP your money and tell all your freinds to not play EVE online. But don't you try to look down on me because I'm not reacting immaturely like you are. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2982
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:54:00 -
[1146] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: But at the end of the day, CCP is a company that neither you nor I own. The only thing they owe us is access to EVE online when we pay them our sub, and only so long as they offer EVE online as a service. God knows they've made move after move I've disliked in my 6 years of playing. If they do something I can't stand, Im simply going to quit and go play something else (like SC, since it's going to kill EVE anyway).
The posistion of the CSM members who are saying this is no big deal is correct. I'm not saying that because I'm getting anything for it (*me waits for Ishukone Scorp with ghetto rims from CCP*), but because I simply find all this crying unworthy of a mature community. It looks more like WoW forums around here than what you'd expect from a game populated by grown men.
Anyone who dones't like what the game company does should ball up and unsub and be done with it.
I think the main cause for outcry here is the repeated attempts by CCP to regain the trust they lost from incidents like BoB and Incarna. Go back and read Hilmar's letter of apology after the 'Greed is Good' incident and take it into account with this situation. Actions speak louder than words and this is a lot like what CCP does time and time again, favoritism for whatever reason without regards to the bulk of their playerbase. If this was the first time something like this happened there would be whining but not of this magnitude.
Personally, I don't care how many times "it" happens. At the end of the day, I'm a customer, not a stock holder. If I owned stock in EVE and something they could do could cost me a real world , tangible loss, I'd be miffed a bit (right before I sold that stock to cut my losses), but that's as far as it would go.
I was critical of CCP during monocle gate, and afterwards after I had time to think about it, I backed up and said "why am I mad, it's not even my company". I decided then to stop letting BS of no importance evoke an emotional response from me. I said that next time I'll just do what any rational consumer should do if unhappy, i'll just leave.
I just hate to see so many good and smart people I know falling into that same emotional trap. Many of the posts on this forum about the issue amount to the exact same thing as the "i'm leaving and you can't have my stuff" posts people make....and then don't ever leave. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
375
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:00:00 -
[1147] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: Personally, I don't care how many times "it" happens. At the end of the day, I'm a customer, not a stock holder. If I owned stock in EVE and something they could do could cost me a real world , tangible loss, I'd be miffed a bit (right before I sold that stock to cut my losses), but that's as far as it would go.
I was critical of CCP during monocle gate, and afterwards after I had time to think about it, I backed up and said "why am I mad, it's not even my company". I decided then to stop letting BS of no importance evoke an emotional response from me. I said that next time I'll just do what any rational consumer should do if unhappy, i'll just leave.
I just hate to see so many good and smart people I know falling into that same emotional trap. Many of the posts on this forum about the issue amount to the exact same thing as the "i'm leaving and you can't have my stuff" posts people make....and then don't ever leave.
Society has become so anti-confrontational that people have to vent all the angst from not being able to say the things they wish they would have/could have said in the most recent human interaction into a venue that allows them to speak their mind with no repercussions.
I think the point James is trying to make is that commenting on people posting under such behavior is your typical response to any and all issues that pop up on GD and its a bit played out and moot.
TLDR: Stop posting Not today spaghetti. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
220
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:02:00 -
[1148] - Quote
So - you don't care. Can you post some more about it? |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
433
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:05:00 -
[1149] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:So - you don't care. Can you post some more about it?
S/he is mature man,grow ups don't care. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2982
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:06:00 -
[1150] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:So - you don't care. Can you post some more about it?
i don't care about your petty issue.
I do care about the many good people I've met on this forum and in this game, and would hope they'd learn to put things in better context. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2982
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:09:00 -
[1151] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Personally, I don't care how many times "it" happens. At the end of the day, I'm a customer, not a stock holder. If I owned stock in EVE and something they could do could cost me a real world , tangible loss, I'd be miffed a bit (right before I sold that stock to cut my losses), but that's as far as it would go.
I was critical of CCP during monocle gate, and afterwards after I had time to think about it, I backed up and said "why am I mad, it's not even my company". I decided then to stop letting BS of no importance evoke an emotional response from me. I said that next time I'll just do what any rational consumer should do if unhappy, i'll just leave.
I just hate to see so many good and smart people I know falling into that same emotional trap. Many of the posts on this forum about the issue amount to the exact same thing as the "i'm leaving and you can't have my stuff" posts people make....and then don't ever leave.
Society has become so anti-confrontational that people have to vent all the angst from not being able to say the things they wish they would have/could have said in the most recent human interaction into a venue that allows them to speak their mind with no repercussions. I think the point James is trying to make is that commenting on people posting under such behavior is your typical response to any and all issues that pop up on GD and its a bit played out and moot. TLDR: Stop posting
i'll post until CCP (the owner of the forums) takes away my privilage (not "right") to post.
Where I'm from, we call em like we see em, and all this boo-hooing is worthy of ridicule, so I'm gonna ridicule it. Don't like it, don't read it (or change the behavior you demonstrating thus taking away the reason for the ridicule).
Some of you feel the need to stand up to the "unfairness". Fair enough. I've feel the need to poke fun at you with my more mature friends here. |
Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
41
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:15:00 -
[1152] - Quote
I think the fact that this is the only issue I have found that makes me post on these forums is proof that people are not just whining about everything. The methods of people trying to defend CCP here reek of immaturity and desperation because the people know they are in the wrong.
No one has yet answered my earlier post about why this issue is so wrong with a rebuttal. All we get is ad hominem attacks, frm the CSM no less, and dismal that we are just whining. While yes this is CCP's game I am the consumer and therefor my opinio should matter to them.
Here is a good analogy for this situation. You have started a successful business but have several competitors in town. The town government decides to award one of those competitors with money because they put up an ad for their business. The government claims this was a community service. Would you be upset?
Yes you would because CCP is in the wrong. They are breaking the sandbox, showing favoritism, and devaluing the work of everyone in EVE who improves the community.
Yes CCP has given out stuff before, to real community organizations that spend their own time for no reward to organize something for the entire player base. Then they give those items in public with a clear explanation of why. They have done none of those things this time. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
433
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:19:00 -
[1153] - Quote
And what they gave out was a piece of crap that has no intrinsic value beyond what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it, so yeah I'm still with Jenn on this.
TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out you're being dumb. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
225
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:22:00 -
[1154] - Quote
Summary:
Jenn aSide wrote:I don't care about the matter and prefer to make fun of people that do care. But don't you try to look down on me because I'm not reacting immaturely like you are. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16865
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:26:00 -
[1155] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:And what they gave out was a piece of crap that has no intrinsic value beyond what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it, so yeah I'm still with Jenn on this.
TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out you're being dumb. Indeed. Stop being so dumb as to think that the intrinsic value (or lack thereof) is in any way relevant, and people might stop pointing out that you're being dumb.
Jenn aSide wrote:Where I'm from, we call em like we see em, and all this boo-hooing is worthy of ridicule, so I'm gonna ridicule it. Don't like it, don't read it (or change the behavior you demonstrating thus taking away the reason for the ridicule).
Some of you feel the need to stand up to the "unfairness". Fair enough. I've feel the need to poke fun at you with my more mature friends here. I take that where you're from, there are no adults, since behaving like a 10-year old counts as GÇ£matureGÇ¥? I also take it that you need a visit to your local optometrist, because you're calling things something they're not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:28:00 -
[1156] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:And what they gave out was a piece of crap that has no intrinsic value beyond what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it, so yeah I'm still with Jenn on this.
TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out you're being dumb.
You don't really get how the economy works, do you?
The value of ships rises and falls based on the value ascribed to them. Likewise with everything else. Ships which are perceived as good can have a higher value than ships perceived as bad. Likewise the rarity of minerals increases their value.
The Revenant is by no means the best Supercarrier, but its rarity ensures it is far more 'valuable' than other Supercarriers.
And as with that, a painting by Monet only has value because of 'what a bunchg of collectors ascribe to it', but only an idiot would try to argue that it wasn't valuable.
TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out (that) you're being dumb. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
364
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:58:00 -
[1157] - Quote
Is there a blue post somewhere in the last 40 pages or should I not bother? Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4749
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:09:00 -
[1158] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:And what they gave out was a piece of crap that has no intrinsic value beyond what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it, so yeah I'm still with Jenn on this.
TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out you're being dumb. You don't really get how the economy works, do you? The value of ships rises and falls based on the value ascribed to them. Likewise with everything else. Ships which are perceived as good can have a higher value than ships perceived as bad. Likewise the rarity of minerals increases their value. The Revenant is by no means the best Supercarrier, but its rarity ensures it is far more 'valuable' than other Supercarriers. And as with that, a painting by Monet only has value because of 'what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it', but only an idiot would try to argue that it wasn't valuable. TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out (that) you're being dumb. fiat value, real value is 1 tritanium There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16872
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:26:00 -
[1159] - Quote
So here's a few questions for those dismissing this issueGǪ
What do you imagine the community reaction had been if, say, the Goons or Minerbumping had been the recipients? After all, what they're doing is rewarding community services and/or people sponsoring player events. Those two entities have created huge amounts of content through the events they sponsor.
What do you imagine the reaction from Somer had been if they had been offered 30 ibises? After all, these ships hold no intrinsic value and only refine to 1 ISK, the same as an IshuScorp.
What do you imagine the community reaction would have been if, say, the CSM was hand-picked by CCP and not publicly revealed? After all, that too is just a way to interact with the community but is somehow deemed necessary to surround with months of build-up and voting?
How appropriate do you feel it would be if the developers started to promote Cheetos-« as a great way to pick up GTCs? You'd get one with the return of every 10 bar code cut-outs and you don't even need to eat them. Also, does this make fritolay.com a community site? After all, many EVE players probably use their products regularly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
311
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:28:00 -
[1160] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:whinging about whinging
If you have no opinion on the matter, then what are you expressing? |
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Sugar Von MurdererTits
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
72
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:31:00 -
[1161] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:And what they gave out was a piece of crap that has no intrinsic value beyond what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it, so yeah I'm still with Jenn on this.
Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it -- Publilius Syrus
I picked that up playing Civ IV. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
199
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:36:00 -
[1162] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:whinging about whinging If you have no opinion on the matter, then what are you expressing?
Blind obediance, passivity, lazyness to think, conformism, fatalism, bitterness... all the reasons why the corruption is so flourishing in our world.
Jenn aSide, all what you are able to say is : flee (unsub) or shut up. The true courage is to stand for what you think right.
I will unsub if there is nothing else left, but i don't want to give up without fighting. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2800
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:42:00 -
[1163] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:whinging about whinging If you have no opinion on the matter, then what are you expressing? Blind obediance, passivity, lazyness to think, conformism, fatalism, bitterness... all the reasons why the corruption is so flourishing in our world. Sounds good to me. Let's shut up now Tao Dolcino wrote:Jenn aSide, all what you are able to say is : flee (unsub) or shut up.
The true courage is to stand for what you think right. I will unsub if there is nothing else left, but i don't want to give up without fighting. This isn't some rpg where you can fight god
It kind of is you know ...
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4757
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:43:00 -
[1164] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I don't care to understand the issues involved, I just know that people are always wrong when they're complaining about something." - Jenn aSide You know better than that James. i do exactly understand the issue, and find that "issue" unworthy of anger be a grown man. If you don't like what is happening, don't be a whiney child about it. Have the balls to unsub, walk away and don't give CCP your money and tell all your freinds to not play EVE online. But don't you try to look down on me because I'm not reacting immaturely like you are. So assertive of your mature and developed apathy. Here's a question. When the **** did standing up for your principles become associated with childishness and immaturity? eve online is real enough that it's like that There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Marius Evo
Crack Babies
10
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:44:00 -
[1165] - Quote
This whole thing just gives me a bad feeling... I think it's disappointment! |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:51:00 -
[1166] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way...
60 pages in, still nothing.
Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4758
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:02:00 -
[1167] - Quote
Kosakei Sanko wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... 60 pages in, still nothing. Not surprising at all There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
433
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:05:00 -
[1168] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:And what they gave out was a piece of crap that has no intrinsic value beyond what a bunch of collectors ascribe to it, so yeah I'm still with Jenn on this.
TLDR - Stop being dumb and people might stop pointing out you're being dumb. Indeed. Stop being so dumb as to think that the intrinsic value (or lack thereof) is in any way relevant, and people might stop pointing out that you're being dumb.
Funny you should mention that since if thats true theres a hell of a lot of people on your side making the same mistake.
Tippia wrote:So here's a few questions for those dismissing this issueGǪ
What do you imagine the community reaction had been if, say, the Goons or Minerbumping had been the recipients? After all, what they're doing is rewarding community services and/or people sponsoring player events. Those two entities have created huge amounts of content through the events they sponsor.
What do you imagine the reaction from Somer had been if they had been offered 30 ibises? After all, these ships hold no intrinsic value and only refine to 1 ISK, the same as an IshuScorp.
What do you imagine the community reaction would have been if, say, the CSM was hand-picked by CCP and not publicly revealed? After all, that too is just a way to interact with the community but is somehow deemed necessary to surround with months of build-up and voting?
How appropriate do you feel it would be if the developers started to promote Cheetos-« as a great way to pick up GTCs? You'd get one with the return of every 10 bar code cut-outs and you don't even need to eat them. Also, does this make fritolay.com a community site? After all, many EVE players probably use their products regularly.
Ill answer in the order you posted them
I would have been equally indifferent, neither of them is any more or less worthy in my eyes than Somer Blink is/was
Way to strawman Tippia, I expected better from you. But since you asked I imagine they would have not been very happy at being given something that has zero value even to a collector.
I would have spoken out against it, because its a dumb way to do something like that, but if they made a decision to do it that way I would accept that they have the right to do that and do my best to work within whatever guidelines they set for communication to still state my opinion that it's a dumb way to do it.
I wouldnt care that much since I despise the taste of cheetos thus would never buy them. The second part of the question is utterly irrelevant, we can post and comment as much as we want about what is or isnt a community site but in the end its down to the people who run the game, which is CCP.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2801
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:10:00 -
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Kosakei Sanko wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... 60 pages in, still nothing.
The miniboss doesn't appear until its 100 pages at least.
(just in case anyone thinks I'm a bit flippant I haven't really played eve since the big alliance favoring wardec fees fiasco but threw them another years sub for old times sake just in case certain devs left - this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4758
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:12:00 -
[1170] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... 60 pages in, still nothing. The miniboss doesn't appear until its 100 pages at least. (just in case anyone thinks I'm a bit flippant I haven't really played eve since the big alliance favoring wardec fees fiasco but threw them another years sub for old times sake just in case certain devs left - this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.) what is eve too real for you There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2801
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:14:00 -
[1171] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... 60 pages in, still nothing. The miniboss doesn't appear until its 100 pages at least. (just in case anyone thinks I'm a bit flippant I haven't really played eve since the big alliance favoring wardec fees fiasco but threw them another years sub for old times sake just in case certain devs left - this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.) what is eve too real for you
Not sure I understand the question? (tbh though the eve is real tagline always left me a bit cold, I'm too British for rah rah emo advertising)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4760
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:28:00 -
[1172] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... 60 pages in, still nothing. The miniboss doesn't appear until its 100 pages at least. (just in case anyone thinks I'm a bit flippant I haven't really played eve since the big alliance favoring wardec fees fiasco but threw them another years sub for old times sake just in case certain devs left - this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.) what is eve too real for you Not sure I understand the question? (tbh though the eve is real tagline always left me a bit cold, I'm too British for rah rah emo advertising) real life money via getting ccp gtc sales
eve online rewards
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16877
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:29:00 -
[1173] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:I would have been equally indifferent, neither of them is any more or less worthy in my eyes than Somer Blink is/was GǪand given the general attitude towards goons and anti-mining activities, do you think that this is an opinion that many would share? Look back at all the noise generated whenever the goons take over a valuable part of space GÇö replete with claims about them being given stuff. Now imagine if they actually had been handed stuff on the sly through actual dev fiat.
Quote:Way to strawman Tippia, I expected better from you. But since you asked I imagine they would have not been very happy at being given something that has zero value even to a collector. No. That's not a strawman. That's the actual argument they're using: that it's ok because it has no intrinsic value and no mineral contents. The argument is that they're not actually being given anything of value at all GÇö that the 15GÇô20bn they go for on the market is irrelevant because, hey, the ships is actually worthless.
They are wilfully ignoring the collector value, claiming that it's ok to give away half a trillion ISK worth of goods because that's not a GǣrealGǥ value, but one set by the players. Never mind that this holds true for all items in the gameGǪ
Now, I understand your reaction to that question because it definitely sounds utterly idiotic the way strawmen often do, but the problem is that I'm not actually inventing anything. The Gǣit has no particular valueGǥ line of reasoning was in the official response! I'm pointing out that this is thoroughly disingenuous and that this is the only thing that supposedly makes it ok compared to, say, handing out a couple of BPOsGǪ
Quote:I wouldnt care that much since I despise the taste of cheetos thus would never buy them. The second part of the question is utterly irrelevant, we can post and comment as much as we want about what is or isnt a community site but in the end its down to the people who run the game, which is CCP. The second part is highly irrelevant since that is the excuse being used in this case: that they deserve favouritism because they're an GÇ£awesome community siteGÇ¥. Never mind that many despise the taste of it and that it has nothing to do with the community. It's a commercial site for a business, designed to generate income. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Shai 'Hulud
Spanked and Straddled
31
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:31:00 -
[1174] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:Kosakei Sanko wrote:I keep trying to reload this thread and an error occurs. Looks like the fallout has already started! Also, barring a complete boycott of both SOMER Blink and EVE Online, these threads will have virtually no impact on the relationship between SOMER Blink and CCP. Most of them are laughing all the way to the InterStellar banK (see what I did thurrrr?) The fact that there is so much outcry over this without a hint of official response from either party is proof that CCP doesn't give a **** about the situation as long as people keep forking over their real-life money every month.
Yes, I realize I keep posting even though I know it's pointless. I only do so because I seem to have picked up a Goon follower somewhere along the way... 60 pages in, still nothing. The miniboss doesn't appear until its 100 pages at least. (just in case anyone thinks I'm a bit flippant I haven't really played eve since the big alliance favoring wardec fees fiasco but threw them another years sub for old times sake just in case certain devs left - this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.) Pretty much nailed it, imo.
All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
107
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:31:00 -
[1175] - Quote
It's all about Trust, or the lack of it.
CCP have been secretly handing out valuable ships to various players/organisations. Does anyone wonder who else may have been the lucky recipients of CCPs secret generosity? and to what extent?
Don't Panic.
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:34:00 -
[1176] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:It's all about Trust, or the lack of it.
CCP have been secretly handing out valuable ships to various players/organisations. Does anyone wonder who else may have been the lucky recipients of CCPs secret generosity? and to what extent?
Because of NDA I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Shai 'Hulud
Spanked and Straddled
33
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:36:00 -
[1177] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:It's all about Trust, or the lack of it.
CCP have been secretly handing out valuable ships to various players/organisations. Does anyone wonder who else may have been the lucky recipients of CCPs secret generosity? and to what extent?
It has nothing to do with trust. If I trusted CCP more than I do, I still wouldn't want them handing out loads of isk to a group of players just because CCP likes their website. |
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:38:00 -
[1178] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:It's all about Trust, or the lack of it.
CCP have been secretly handing out valuable ships to various players/organisations. Does anyone wonder who else may have been the lucky recipients of CCPs secret generosity? and to what extent?
Because of NDA
Swing and a miss! |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:41:00 -
[1179] - Quote
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:It's all about Trust, or the lack of it.
CCP have been secretly handing out valuable ships to various players/organisations. Does anyone wonder who else may have been the lucky recipients of CCPs secret generosity? and to what extent?
Because of NDA Swing and a miss!
Stop trying to make "Because of NDA" a thing. It will never be a thing.
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
110
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:48:00 -
[1180] - Quote
Might as well hand out free crap to all those other Jita scammers as well.
Don't Panic.
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Aurthes
M. Corp Engineering Fatal Ascension
41
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:48:00 -
[1181] - Quote
Curious as to why CCP has been avoiding this thread. This is Monday, and there have been some limited responses elsewhere, but not in their own forums, talking to their own players. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
86
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:53:00 -
[1182] - Quote
Aurthes wrote:Curious as to why CCP has been avoiding this thread. This is Monday, and there have been some limited responses elsewhere, but not in their own forums, talking to their own players.
Simply ignore the problem until it solves itself... |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4015
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:54:00 -
[1183] - Quote
I'm wondering about something.
Do people believe their voice will be heard if they don't start unsubbing?
"It's what they do, not what they say." ... or something. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1337
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:56:00 -
[1184] - Quote
11 days to go Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kate stark
370
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:57:00 -
[1185] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:I'm wondering about something.
Do people believe their voice will be heard if they don't start unsubbing?
"It's what they do, not what they say." ... or something.
i shouldn't have to unsub for ccp to take note of the situation. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:59:00 -
[1186] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:I'm wondering about something.
Do people believe their voice will be heard if they don't start unsubbing?
"It's what they do, not what they say." ... or something.
most people don't care..
they just want CCP to acknowledge the mistake they did and promise never to do it again and hold on that promise.. but I think they dug a big hole for themselves this time in the "trust" department.. |
Catherine Au
Iris Industry and Innovations
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:02:00 -
[1187] - Quote
A 60 page thread without a single blue response? Doesn't exactly create a great impression for newcomers or any other interested party.
I would have thought enough people have voiced their opinions and concerns on the forums to merit one CCP employee spending 2 minutes of their time to address these concerns, especially why these "promotional" ships were given in secret over 2 months ago.. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4763
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:02:00 -
[1188] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:I'm wondering about something.
Do people believe their voice will be heard if they don't start unsubbing?
"It's what they do, not what they say." ... or something. As long as the increase in gtc sales from somer is enough, it doesn't matter, their wallet is better off There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
378
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:04:00 -
[1189] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:As long as the increase in gtc sales from somer is enough, it doesn't matter, their wallet is better off
This.
'sall about the benjamins Not today spaghetti. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4017
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:07:00 -
[1190] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I'm wondering about something.
Do people believe their voice will be heard if they don't start unsubbing?
"It's what they do, not what they say." ... or something. i shouldn't have to unsub for ccp to take note of the situation. This sounds way too decadent. If you look how reality works, then you'll notice that no corporate entity gives a **** as long as people just complain but still throw money at them.
"I shouldn't have to" implies that you believe a voice alone counts. If you look at it close though, you can find out that in absolutely most cases it simply doesn't.
That's why i'm asking.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
380
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:09:00 -
[1191] - Quote
Catherine Au wrote:A 60 page thread without a single blue response? Doesn't exactly create a great impression for newcomers or any other interested party.
I would have thought enough people have voiced their opinions and concerns on the forums to merit one CCP employee spending 2 minutes of their time to address these concerns, especially why these "promotional" ships were given in secret over 2 months ago..
Quote:That said, we recognize it is imperative for CCP to remain impartial with respect to which 3rd parties receive CCP support for these kinds of activities. To that end, we will develop a clear policy on how we plan to conduct future events, including how we will determine which 3rd parties and which events will receive CCP support, and we will develop that policy in consultation with the CSM.
So not only do they not care that their handing out billions of free ISK, their going to continue to do it in a different manner than the fail way they conducted this one.
I don't know if I've ever met a player that doesn't know/have EFT. Why not give 500 billion ISK to Gripen for being such a boss with EFT?
Oh right because Gripen doesn't line your pockets with money like SOMER does. Not today spaghetti. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
50
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:15:00 -
[1192] - Quote
Catherine Au wrote:A 60 page thread without a single blue response? Doesn't exactly create a great impression for newcomers or any other interested party.
I would have thought enough people have voiced their opinions and concerns on the forums to merit one CCP employee spending 2 minutes of their time to address these concerns, especially why these "promotional" ships were given in secret over 2 months ago..
Going from what they've said to third party sites, they don't consider it worthy of a response. #T2013 |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
86
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:17:00 -
[1193] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:I don't know if I've ever met a player that doesn't know/have EFT. Why not give 500 billion ISK to Gripen for being such a boss with EFT?
Did he sell GTC?
Sexy Cakes wrote:Oh right because Gripen doesn't line your pockets with money like SOMER does.
Okay, asked and answered. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:19:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:WTB jelly pot for 3500 Aurum.
Or eventually accept all jelly donation from Somer Blink.
Thx Ma i see you've decided to continue posting irrelevant nonsensical stuff rather than familiarise yourself with the topic being discussed.
It makes sense to me to react to all of this whining show and immature attitudes with this kind of joke, it's about the same level and the lowest level I could come with. There's a sticky thread about this, why don't you guys just do something interesting and go post there instead of spreading all this jelly nonsense all over the forum in multiple useless threads.
But I was not even kidding, I'm accepting jelly pots from somerma. I want to see you all red of jealousy till you blow up. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kate stark
376
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:21:00 -
[1195] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Kate stark wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:WTB jelly pot for 3500 Aurum.
Or eventually accept all jelly donation from Somer Blink.
Thx Ma i see you've decided to continue posting irrelevant nonsensical stuff rather than familiarise yourself with the topic being discussed. It makes sense to me to react to all of this whining show and immature attitudes with this kind of joke, it's about the same level and the lowest level I could come with. There's a sticky thread about this, why don't you guys just do something interesting and go post there instead of spreading all this jelly nonsense all over the forum in multiple useless threads. But I was not even kidding, I'm accepting jelly pots from somerma. I want to see you all red of jealousy till you blow up.
no, there isn't a sticky about this at all. in fact, there hasn't even been a single ccp post about it.
again, you demonstrate you have no idea what's going on.
is reading really that hard? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
380
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:23:00 -
[1196] - Quote
Kate stark wrote: no, there isn't.
again, you demonstrate you have no idea what's going on.
is reading really that hard?
Fanboy-itis makes it hard to comprehend CCP actions in anything but the best light possible. Not today spaghetti. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
86
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:25:00 -
[1197] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:is reading really that hard?
Looks like for some People it is... |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1253
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:51:00 -
[1198] - Quote
Indeed
/popcorn *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16882
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:53:00 -
[1199] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: GǪwhich has nothing to do with the topic at hand. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kate stark
383
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:53:00 -
[1200] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
yeah, that's not what we're talking about. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
430
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:53:00 -
[1201] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Irony.
Can we get like 1 post per KM per character or something please? stem the publord's sperg a little. If you don't understand / care about something just don't post, simples.
How have we gone 60 pages without a response? If I agreed with you, then we'd both be wrong. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
90
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:56:00 -
[1202] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
While I fear, this will be CCP-¦s answer to this Topic, too, the linked thread is not about this topic we wrote 60 pages... |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
314
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:03:00 -
[1203] - Quote
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:How have we gone 60 pages without a response?
Because CCP knows they are in the wrong. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:05:00 -
[1204] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:How have we gone 60 pages without a response? Because CCP knows they are in the wrong.
Kinda obvious after the reactions to Somer give away a week or so ago. Must be why they tried to keep the scorp thing secret. It's kinda like governments. I find out they are doing **** and then instead of stopping the full on ****** action they try to keep it secret in the future.
Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money. |
Kate stark
389
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:06:00 -
[1205] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:How have we gone 60 pages without a response? Because CCP knows they are in the wrong. Kinda obvious after the reactions to Somer give away a week or so ago. Must be why they tried to keep the scorp thing secret. It's kinda like governments. I find out they are doing **** and then instead of stopping the full on ****** action they try to keep it secret in the future. Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money.
scorpions happened first, however it has only become common knowledge a few days ago. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:10:00 -
[1206] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money. People complaining is one thing, but people unsubbing is a different one.
There's no "i have unsubbed"-thread which keeps growing and growing, so i'm sure you understand why i'm a bit confused about the seriousness regarding the issue.
Nonetheless ... there seem to be enough people speaking up, so we might just not yet have reached critical mass. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
61
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:13:00 -
[1207] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Axhind wrote:Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money. People complaining is one thing, but people unsubbing is a different one. There's no "i have unsubbed"-thread which keeps growing and growing, so i'm sure you understand why i'm a bit confused about the seriousness regarding the issue. Nonetheless ... there seem to be enough people speaking up, so we might just not yet have reached critical mass. there was one yesterday iirc, but they deleted it |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2464
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:14:00 -
[1208] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.) I just +repped a Jade Constantine post and it didn't hurt a bit.
CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:28:00 -
[1209] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote: I just +repped a Jade Constantine post and it didn't hurt a bit.
It's really weird when people who hate us are agreeing with us, I keep having to reread posts to be sure I didn't say something wrong. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
435
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:35:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I always try to understand the other side in an argument, but I just can't see it this time.
If they had given 30 special scorps to Goons, the game could literally have collapsed by now from unsubbing. That's the problem. The fact that it was Somer and not Goons is meaningless.
...and if they had done it in secret. o m g would that have been a pip! CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
432
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:38:00 -
[1211] - Quote
I have zero issue with this and really see it as NBD. Wasn't the intention from the beginning for this to be a 'give away' ship they would give to people at events or whatever?
I mean, it's a ****** ship tbh. Who cares.
I suppose poor scrubs who want to sell them, lol. but give me a break this whole 'destroying the sandbox' is just BS.
EDIt: Just give out a crap ton so they are worth way less and nobody will care. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:39:00 -
[1212] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Has there been an official CCP response on any of this?
There is literally no defense for this sort of favoritism. The fact is that the only way to truly be sure there are no conflicts of interest is to avoid absolutely everything and anything that even smells of one. Engaging in the slightest of questionable activities opens the door to tremendous abuse and EVEN IF NOT ABUSED, creates questions that seed distrustt between the company and its customer base. And that is exactly what we are seeing here.
And nothing can really be said to ever make that customer base feel comfortable with the situation. The fact is that the appearance creates the sentiment, no matter what the truth. This is why you simply NEVER engage in this sort of favoritism. And CCP Pokethulu makes the age old mistake of trying to defend by saying that CCP will be able to make sure it is not abused and remains balanced. These are the sorts of claims made by the foolish and corrupt. No one can be sure this is not abused - therefore it should not occur. Simple as that.
No player run organization should be gifted items of such significant value within the game. Give them plaques, letters, tours of CCP offices, or their name engraved on the walls of Hilmar's private bathroom - but to grant them items of in game value is to give them isk. And herein lies the problem. For CCP to be in the business of handing out isk to players is highly disturbing and threatens the integrity of the game itself. Even when those items are given to be given out via lottery - they will profit the entity in question, therefore providing them with isk! Why is CCP basically handing a ton of isk over to SomerBLINK?
I sat with Hilmar at Fan Fest and had dinner with him. I basically said something along the lines that I felt he got a bit of a rough shake when it came to the whole monocle debacle. I mean, why can't a CEO be glad his company is making money? Despite my support, he took ownership and apologized and made it clear he felt he had made a mistake, and had failed to understand what the players wanted.
Hilmar, if you have any sense of what the players care about you will realize what a tremendous mistake this favoritism toward SomerBLINK is. It reeks of impropriety and corruption and secret deals with Somer. And for your own people to sit there and say they think Somer is 100% trustworthy - first it makes them look like complete fools and shows a complete failure on their part to understand the problem. Does CCP know who every alt of every Somer employee is? Why you might think so, I highly doubt it given that I've seen more than one player receive a permaban on their main while their alts did not. Once again: the ONLY way to insure no impropriety is to not engage in any activity that could come close to it.
So now, on the heels of this we find that Somer 'employees' are being gifted hundreds of billions of isk in special release ships. Once again, this is giving players isk. And for what? Because they are such a great fansite? They have already been rewarded for this. If they've paid out more than a quadrillion in isk, then just think how much they've made in profit! That profit is their reward. CCP is going to hand them rare, in game prizes for being good at getting you to pay them isk? That's ludicrous. Clearly there is some level of bias here, or plain stupidity... one or the other.
And please realize, Somer is just as much to blame. It is the responsibility of a business to turn down gifts that could either result in or give an image of impropriety.
So for the players, the answer is simple: stop patronizing SomerBlink. Respectable business do not accept 'gifts' when those gifts create even a perception of impropriety. Boycott SomerBlink and if they truly value your business they will return any and all gifts and prize ships. Otherwise, kiss them goodbye and stop handing over your hard earned isk so that they can bask in the glory of CCP's adoration. They are being gifted ships from CCP for one reason: YOU GAVE THEM ISK. So, stop giving them your isk. They clearly don't deserve it.
Quoted For Truth Bolded For Emphasis Not today spaghetti. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16889
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:41:00 -
[1213] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:I have zero issue with this and really see it as NBD. Wasn't the intention from the beginning for this to be a 'give away' ship they would give to people at events or whatever? Not from the beginning, no. That was a later change. And yes, it was mean to be a give-away at events and the like GÇö not a half-trillion donation on the sly to dev favourites for no adequate reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2990
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:00:00 -
[1214] - Quote
Tippia wrote:So here's a few questions for those dismissing this issueGǪ
What do you imagine the community reaction had been if, say, the Goons or Minerbumping had been the recipients?
Needlessly emotional, just like this reaction. I personly don't care who CCP gives stuff they own to. It;s their private property.
Quote: After all, what they're doing is rewarding community services and/or people sponsoring player events. Those two entities have created huge amounts of content through the events they sponsor.
What do you imagine the reaction from Somer had been if they had been offered 30 ibises? After all, these ships hold no intrinsic value and only refine to 1 ISK, the same as an IshuScorp.
What do you imagine the community reaction would have been if, say, the CSM was hand-picked by CCP and not publicly revealed? After all, that too is just a way to interact with the community but is somehow deemed necessary to surround with months of build-up and voting?
How appropriate do you feel it would be if the developers started to promote Cheetos-« as a great way to pick up GTCs? You'd get one with the return of every 10 bar code cut-outs and you don't even need to eat them. Also, does this make fritolay.com a community site? After all, many EVE players probably use their products regularly.
All the above would be fine. OR if I did find a problem with it, I'd make exactly one post about it, wait to see if it changed, and then leave. Because I don't own ccp or EVE online (and the thousands upon thousand of actual hours I've spent playing it and loving it and worshiping the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name, doesn't change that).
The problem is that some of you do feel like you own it. CCP lets you feel that way, Even created a group it lets you vote for to cement that feeling of ownership. But it's just a feeling, a false one at that. At the end of the day, CCP can do as it pleases with it's private property, as can all of you (with your money, or without your time that you use to make plex).
And the whole community isn't reacting negatively (which IMO is what burns the over-reactors, turning you loit into Over-Reactor IIs with extra powergrid bonus). There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. I'm sorry, but something a private company does just doesn't rise to the level of genuine concern for me. I find your concern silly.
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Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
106
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:02:00 -
[1215] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:So here's a few questions for those dismissing this issueGǪ
What do you imagine the community reaction had been if, say, the Goons or Minerbumping had been the recipients?
Needlessly emotional, just like this reaction. I personly don't care who CCP gives stuff they own to. It;s their private property. Quote: After all, what they're doing is rewarding community services and/or people sponsoring player events. Those two entities have created huge amounts of content through the events they sponsor.
What do you imagine the reaction from Somer had been if they had been offered 30 ibises? After all, these ships hold no intrinsic value and only refine to 1 ISK, the same as an IshuScorp.
What do you imagine the community reaction would have been if, say, the CSM was hand-picked by CCP and not publicly revealed? After all, that too is just a way to interact with the community but is somehow deemed necessary to surround with months of build-up and voting?
How appropriate do you feel it would be if the developers started to promote Cheetos-« as a great way to pick up GTCs? You'd get one with the return of every 10 bar code cut-outs and you don't even need to eat them. Also, does this make fritolay.com a community site? After all, many EVE players probably use their products regularly.
All the above would be fine. OR if I did find a problem with it, I'd make exactly one post about it, wait to see if it changed, and then leave. Because I don't own ccp or EVE online (and the thousands upon thousand of actual hours I've spent playing it and loving it and worshiping the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name, doesn't change that). The problem is that some of you do feel like you own it. CCP lets you feel that way, Even created a group it lets you vote for to cement that feeling of ownership. But it's just a feeling, a false one at that. At the end of the day, CCP can do as it pleases with it's private property, as can all of you (with your money, or without your time that you use to make plex). And the whole community isn't reacting negatively (which IMO is what burns the over-reactors, turning you loit into Over-Reactor IIs with extra powergrid bonus). There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. I'm sorry, but something a private company does just doesn't rise to the level of genuine concern for me. I find your concern silly. For one that doesn't "care" you sure post a lot on this stuff.. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:05:00 -
[1216] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Quoted For Truth Bolded For Emphasis This is absolutely ridiculous. Boycotting SOMER for what ? For taking what they are given ? Bullshit.
Why would i not take a million bucks, if somebody offered me a million bucks ?
Blame the one who gives the million, not the one taking it. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:05:00 -
[1217] - Quote
The people in charge of stuff like this at CCP have no integrity and have shown that more than once.
We need to just recognize what we are dealing with when dealing with CCP. These are the same guys that produced the greed is good memo as part as a comprehensive review of their business practices moving forward.
Looks like they have decided to move forward and leave any shred of integrity behind.
Good Call CCP. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2991
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:07:00 -
[1218] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:I'm wondering about something.
Do people believe their voice will be heard if they don't start unsubbing?
"It's what they do, not what they say." ... or something.
Not necassary at all. CCP is gonna fold like they did with the Gold Magnates and such, because at the end of the day they are a company and it doesn't matter if their customers are wrong or too quick to complain. That's capitalism for you. Personally I just hate to see people get riled up over non-issues. After years of getting genuinely angry at stuff like this, I grew out of it, because it's silly. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
384
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:08:00 -
[1219] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: All the above would be fine. OR if I did find a problem with it, I'd make exactly one post about it, wait to see if it changed, and then leave. Because I don't own ccp or EVE online (and the thousands upon thousand of actual hours I've spent playing it and loving it and worshiping the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name, doesn't change that).
The problem is that some of you do feel like you own it. CCP lets you feel that way, Even created a group it lets you vote for to cement that feeling of ownership. But it's just a feeling, a false one at that. At the end of the day, CCP can do as it pleases with it's private property, as can all of you (with your money, or without your time that you use to make plex).
And the whole community isn't reacting negatively (which IMO is what burns the over-reactors, turning you loit into Over-Reactor IIs with extra powergrid bonus). There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. I'm sorry, but something a private company does just doesn't rise to the level of genuine concern for me. I find your concern silly.
Nullbears that spend all day running anoms in 'the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name' don't have much stake in the game at large so I can see how you would be ignorant of the repercussions of something like this.
Which is cool.
The only annoying part is when they start spewing their ignorance into other people's discussions. Not today spaghetti. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:09:00 -
[1220] - Quote
Quote: There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships.
yup
this **** happens in every game you just gotta deal with it. free hats! |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2991
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:12:00 -
[1221] - Quote
Tron 3K wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:So here's a few questions for those dismissing this issueGǪ
What do you imagine the community reaction had been if, say, the Goons or Minerbumping had been the recipients?
Needlessly emotional, just like this reaction. I personly don't care who CCP gives stuff they own to. It;s their private property. Quote: After all, what they're doing is rewarding community services and/or people sponsoring player events. Those two entities have created huge amounts of content through the events they sponsor.
What do you imagine the reaction from Somer had been if they had been offered 30 ibises? After all, these ships hold no intrinsic value and only refine to 1 ISK, the same as an IshuScorp.
What do you imagine the community reaction would have been if, say, the CSM was hand-picked by CCP and not publicly revealed? After all, that too is just a way to interact with the community but is somehow deemed necessary to surround with months of build-up and voting?
How appropriate do you feel it would be if the developers started to promote Cheetos-« as a great way to pick up GTCs? You'd get one with the return of every 10 bar code cut-outs and you don't even need to eat them. Also, does this make fritolay.com a community site? After all, many EVE players probably use their products regularly.
All the above would be fine. OR if I did find a problem with it, I'd make exactly one post about it, wait to see if it changed, and then leave. Because I don't own ccp or EVE online (and the thousands upon thousand of actual hours I've spent playing it and loving it and worshiping the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name, doesn't change that). The problem is that some of you do feel like you own it. CCP lets you feel that way, Even created a group it lets you vote for to cement that feeling of ownership. But it's just a feeling, a false one at that. At the end of the day, CCP can do as it pleases with it's private property, as can all of you (with your money, or without your time that you use to make plex). And the whole community isn't reacting negatively (which IMO is what burns the over-reactors, turning you loit into Over-Reactor IIs with extra powergrid bonus). There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. I'm sorry, but something a private company does just doesn't rise to the level of genuine concern for me. I find your concern silly. For one that doesn't "care" you sure post a lot on this stuff..
Yep, because players I actually and honestly respect for their ability to be rational are reacting in a way I think is overly emotional. I can't stop that (nor would I, it's their right to complain), but again, this is a discussion board, im going to discuss it with them (and show my support for CCP to do what the hell it pleases with it's property). |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16889
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:13:00 -
[1222] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. GǪand guess what? That's not the concern here.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:14:00 -
[1223] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:After years of getting genuinely angry at stuff like this, I grew out of it, because it's silly. So you admit that in the years you genuinely got angry about stuff like this, you simply were silly ?
You know ... I've noticed that we often agree on things. We even agree with this, to some extent.
I personally don't care that CCP did it ... ... but there seem to be enough people who care, so i care with them.
Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this)
Not sure if it's hypocrisy. Think about it.
You yourself say you got genuinely angry, but now you have grown out of it and it's silly.
That's bull and in no way mirrors a "grown up" opinion. For when *you* do it, it's genuine, but now as you don't, it's silly.
Please correct me if i understood you wrong. |
Musca Sklir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:16:00 -
[1224] - Quote
hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:16:00 -
[1225] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: All the above would be fine. OR if I did find a problem with it, I'd make exactly one post about it, wait to see if it changed, and then leave. Because I don't own ccp or EVE online (and the thousands upon thousand of actual hours I've spent playing it and loving it and worshiping the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name, doesn't change that).
The problem is that some of you do feel like you own it. CCP lets you feel that way, Even created a group it lets you vote for to cement that feeling of ownership. But it's just a feeling, a false one at that. At the end of the day, CCP can do as it pleases with it's private property, as can all of you (with your money, or without your time that you use to make plex).
And the whole community isn't reacting negatively (which IMO is what burns the over-reactors, turning you loit into Over-Reactor IIs with extra powergrid bonus). There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. I'm sorry, but something a private company does just doesn't rise to the level of genuine concern for me. I find your concern silly.
Nullbears that spend all day running anoms in 'the Holy Mach, blessed be it's name' don't have much stake in the game at large so I can see how you would be ignorant of the repercussions of something like this. Which is cool. The only annoying part is when they start spewing their ignorance into other people's discussions.
In an idiotic thead, that one takes the cake...The sexy cakes.
This is proof if what I'm talking about. You are litterally mad at me for calling the situation what it is (silly), and went so far as to dismiss my opinon by citing what portion of imaginary space I play in. That's beyond dumb.
It goes to show that some of you are too close to this game and need to back up off it some (excuse the ebonics). CCp handedn some imaginary ships worth imaginary money (unless you RMT lol) to some folks who basically run an imaginary gambling site. Big whoop. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:19:00 -
[1226] - Quote
Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea? I don't understand why people bring this up. People at CCP didn't know he was doing it, so how do people draw a connection ? These are completely different issues.
It's just superficially connected by the fact that somebody got stuff and nobody talked about it. Back then, though, it was only one guy who didn't have the blessings of CCP to do it. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:19:00 -
[1227] - Quote
62 pages and CCP still has no integrity. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
384
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:20:00 -
[1228] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote: Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this)
These days its known as Snowflake Syndrome. Not today spaghetti. |
Baali Tekitsu
God Bless My Enemies
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:21:00 -
[1229] - Quote
Musca Sklir wrote:hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow?
I think theyre busy removing all these other Special Edition ships and a few Sabre BPOs they spawned. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4769
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:21:00 -
[1230] - Quote
Musca Sklir wrote:hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow? two csm people alreaady pointed out you need nothing
1 trit There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:22:00 -
[1231] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:There are many of us who really don't give 2 flips about CCP handing out some inferior ships. GǪand guess what? That's not the concern here.
So, what, exactly, is your concern (not to preempt you, but if it's "favoritisim", ccp can favor who they like)? What is your stake, and how does this action affect you, me and the general community?
Quote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea?
That was a rogue employee. You could almost (but not quite) say he was stealing by generating stuff for people. This action is apperently ok with the powers that be at CCP (ie the owners of the game). You have a right to dislike what you want, I'm saying that dislike is irrational. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16889
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:22:00 -
[1232] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:You are litterally mad at me for calling the situation what it is (silly) As long as you state it as an absolute, he's more in the right than you are.
Quote:CCp handedn some imaginary ships worth imaginary money (unless you RMT lol) to some folks who basically run an imaginary gambling site. Big whoop. Yes. Big whoop. It's a game where there is an expectation of the devs staying impartial and not unduly favouring any one part. Their proving themselves partial and favouring specific entities for no adequate reason is a problem, no matter how much you want to dismiss it and the people pointing out this fact.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1254
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:22:00 -
[1233] - Quote
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Irony.
Finally someone got it.
Still /popcorn *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:26:00 -
[1234] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea? I don't understand why people bring this up. People at CCP didn't know he was doing it, so how do people draw a connection ? These are completely different issues. It's just superficially connected by the fact that somebody got stuff and nobody talked about it. Back then, though, it was only one guy who didn't have the blessings of CCP to do it.
Well put. I think peopel are trying to rile up others by connecting this non-event to something that was a bit more shady.
People respond negatively to others who don't respond the same way to a situation as they do, and they try to figure out why by speculating. It's either "you don't know the whole story" or in my case "you play in null sec, wtf do you know, nullbear".
But those "tactics" are concrete proof of emotional thinking, because a less emotional response would be along the lines of "I understand this doesn't mean much to you, this is why I'm concerned...." |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
384
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:26:00 -
[1235] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Irony. Finally someone got it. Still /popcorn
I thought you had more taste than that Scultz...
Naming your alt IHaveCandyGetIntTheVan69.... cmon man. Not today spaghetti. |
Musca Sklir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:27:00 -
[1236] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Musca Sklir wrote:hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow? two csm people alreaady pointed out you need nothing 1 trit
i don't give a **** about csm, as you can see they are a joke and not respected enough by ccp. |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
75
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:28:00 -
[1237] - Quote
Musca Sklir wrote:hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow?
I'll go out on a limb and predict you won't get one. Or if you do it will be completely shite and not address the issue at all. That's the reason I unsubbed this account after the previous Somer debacle: money seems to be the only language CCP talks, unfortunately.
In the interests of truth I will say that I'm keeping one of my accounts active but that's only because I foolishly paid a year in advance in September. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4769
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:29:00 -
[1238] - Quote
Musca Sklir wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Musca Sklir wrote:hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow? two csm people alreaady pointed out you need nothing 1 trit i don't give a **** about csm, as you can see they are a joke and not respected enough by ccp. Oh ho ho... good one There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:29:00 -
[1239] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:I thought you had more taste than that Scultz...
Naming your alt IHaveCandyGetIntTheVan69.... cmon man. The one is definitely not an alt of the other. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:30:00 -
[1240] - Quote
Quote: Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this)
I used to do something that was stupid I have grown out of it and realized I shouldn't do it so I no longer do this thing It is no longer stupid? |
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
384
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:30:00 -
[1241] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea? I don't understand why people bring this up. People at CCP didn't know he was doing it, so how do people draw a connection ? These are completely different issues. It's just superficially connected by the fact that somebody got stuff and nobody talked about it. Back then, though, it was only one guy who didn't have the blessings of CCP to do it. Well put. I think peopel are trying to rile up others by connecting this non-event to something that was a bit more shady. People respond negatively to others who don't respond the same way to a situation as they do, and they try to figure out why by speculating. It's either "you don't know the whole story" or in my case "you play in null sec, wtf do you know, nullbear". But those "tactics" are concrete proof of emotional thinking, because a less emotional response would be along the lines of "I understand this doesn't mean much to you, this is why I'm concerned...."
I swear you come off like a first semester psychologist on like every single post. Why do you feel the need to break down people's posts to the motives behind them?
Learn to take things at face value and not debunk people's comments based on your (badly) perceived reasons behind their post. Not today spaghetti. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16889
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:33:00 -
[1242] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea? I don't understand why people bring this up. People at CCP didn't know he was doing it, so how do people draw a connection ? These are completely different issues. Because they're both a case of devs handing out hundreds of billions to select groups based on nothing more than GǣI want toGǥ.
Just because the current dev has more backing than the previous one doesn't change the nature of what they're doing. It only shows that the cronyism has become endemic, which is actually worse than a single guy doing it on his own. They're not different issues GÇö they're the exact same issue with different layers of excuses to cover for it.
The only difference between the two is one of scale: T20 was a lot smaller in size and effect, and less troublesome in terms of policy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yes. Big whoop. It's a game where there is an expectation of the devs staying impartial and not unduly favouring any one part. Their proving themselves partial and favouring specific entities for no adequate reason is a problem, no matter how much you want to dismiss it and the people pointing out this fact.
And there it is. You and others held an unreasonable expectation and areresponding to the violation of the expectation. Their is no real world law saying any game company has to be impartial. Because there is no such law, when you make an informed decision to hand a business you money despite no such guarantee, you are taking a risk.
I've simply never held that expectation (in this game, or in life in general where there is a law protecting a specified right or privilage ) and i find such expectations to be silly, even if that expectation is old and the community bought into it.
It's ccp's property. They could give all of null sec (for example) to one group. My reaction (beyond the 1st knee jerk 10 seconds of anger, where ever shall I get my nullbear on now?) would end with a click of unsub button, followed by more clicking to get to the Star Citizen kickstarter site since SC is gonna kill EVE anyways. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:35:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Quote: Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this) I used to do something that was stupid I have grown out of it and realized I shouldn't do it so I no longer do this thing It is no longer stupid? Thanks ... i completely missed this other perspective. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:38:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:
I swear you come off like a first semester psychologist on like every single post. Why do you feel the need to break down people's posts to the motives behind them?
Well, I did double major in psycology and criminal justice...
But the main point is, I like to get to the bottom of a situation, to see WHY im right and others or wrong or why I'm wrong and everyone else should STFU because I'm never wrong...
I'm not going to change any minds, but again, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BOARD. If you want a board full of yes men, go make "www.FansofSexyCakes.com" and make one of the rules for posting be "must always agree with Sexy Cakes, because these cankes ain't a lie" or something.
One more thing, the constant pleading about why I'm posting demonstrates a level of insecurity about the position being discussed. I read that in a psycology textbook once a long time ago
Quote: Learn to take things at face value and not debunk people's comments based on your (badly) perceived reasons behind their post.
In other words, lie.
No |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16891
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:39:00 -
[1246] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:And there it is. You and others held an unreasonable expectation I don't call it unreasonable to expect the judges to be impartial to whatever it is they're judging. You are being very very silly now.
Quote:Their is no real world law saying any game company has to be impartial. GǪwhich explains why there have never been any cases of bribery or judging bias or skewed rulings in any game ever. Oh wait. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Baali Tekitsu
God Bless My Enemies
19
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:40:00 -
[1247] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes. Big whoop. It's a game where there is an expectation of the devs staying impartial and not unduly favouring any one part. Their proving themselves partial and favouring specific entities for no adequate reason is a problem, no matter how much you want to dismiss it and the people pointing out this fact.
And there it is. You and others held an unreasonable expectation and areresponding to the violation of the expectation. Their is no real world law saying any game company has to be impartial. Because there is no such law, when you make an informed decision to hand a business you money despite no such guarantee, you are taking a risk. I've simply never held that expectation (in this game, or in life in general where there is a law protecting a specified right or privilage ) and i find such expectations to be silly, even if that expectation is old and the community bought into it. It's ccp's property. They could give all of null sec (for example) to one group. My reaction (beyond the 1st knee jerk 10 seconds of anger, where ever shall I get my nullbear on now?) would end with a click of unsub button, followed by more clicking to get to the Star Citizen kickstarter site since SC is gonna kill EVE anyways.
I think many people started playing EvE based on this expactation (sandbox, players, not devs make the story'n'stuff) and at the same time the game itself promotes itself based on this promise. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
384
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:41:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:One more thing, the constant pleading about why I'm posting demonstrates a level of insecurity about the position being discussed. I read that in a psycology textbook once a long time ago
1. You are out in left field on this discussion, as you usually are.
2. You annoy me.
3. I'm bored at work.
:ireadbooks: Not today spaghetti. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Just because the current dev has more backing than the previous one doesn't change the nature of what they're doing. It only shows that the cronyism has become endemic, which is actually worse than a single guy doing it on his own. They're not different issues GÇö they're the exact same issue with different layers of excuses to cover for it.
The only difference between the two is one of scale: T20 was a lot smaller in size and effect, and less troublesome in terms of policy. Uhm ... yes ... but ... that ... doesn't ... really ... change ... the ... facts ...
In one case, one guy did it without anybody else at CCP knowing it. In the other case, the whole company (or the responsibles) knew it and gave an order to do it.
In one case we have corporate "favouritism" like it is now and in the other ... we don't. (as people call it) In one case, it's CCPs doing and in the other, it's an individuals doing.
You say there is only one difference, (the one you point out) and i point out at least one other difference, which makes them TWO differences already ...
Furthermore, calling it endemic, when the other case was years ago ... ... made by one individual guy without the order of his uppers ... ... which shows that it's pretty much a completely different case ...
... wtf ...
These cases are only connected superficially by the fact that somebody secretly gave stuff to somebody else. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:45:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:After years of getting genuinely angry at stuff like this, I grew out of it, because it's silly. So you admit that in the years you genuinely got angry about stuff like this, you simply were silly ? You know ... I've noticed that we often agree on things. We even agree with this, to some extent. I personally don't care that CCP did it ... ... but there seem to be enough people who care, so i care with them. Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this)Not sure if it's hypocrisy. Think about it. You yourself say you got genuinely angry, but now you have grown out of it and it's silly. That's bull and in no way mirrors a "grown up" opinion. For when *you* do it, it's genuine, but now as you don't, it's silly. Please correct me if i understood you wrong.
When I was a kid, all manner of things were important.
Now that I'm just shy of 40, I can see those thigns for what they are and where. SILLY.
If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. i used to get so many at FASA Interactive/Microsoft because of what they were doing with the Battletech IP. So mad at Lucas Arts because of the Star Wars stuff etc. Eventually, I realized that I was being dumb, there are rwal actual bad things going on in this world and none of it involves video games.
It's ok for a customer to dislike what a company does, but this reaction reminds me of a small protest I was assigned to work at a wal-mart a few years ago. It wasn't over workers rights, or child labor in China. wal-mart had littlerally stopped selling a certain brand of something and people were mad at that. Oh the indignity of having to be forced to shop at Super Target...
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Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:46:00 -
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I don't see any issue with what CCP did |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16892
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:48:00 -
[1252] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:In one case, one guy did it without anybody else at CCP knowing it. In the other case, the whole company (or the responsibles) knew it and gave an order to do it. GǪand that just makes the second case worse than the first.
Quote:You say there is only one difference, (the one you point out) and i point out at least one other difference, which makes them TWO differences already ... GǪand I'm saying that he second difference isn't actually a difference in what the issue is: devs favouring a single entity under a veil of secrecy. More of them thinking this bad idea is a good idea doesn't change what it is they're doing.
Quote:Furthermore, calling it endemic, when the other case was years ago ... ... made by one individual guy without the order of his uppers ... ... which shows that it's pretty much a completely different case ...
... wtf ... I'm calling it endemic because the notion that it's ok for the devs to hand out special favours to specific groups for no adequate reason has spread from just one person to a whole bunch of them. What was just a single dev being stupid is now endemic in all of them (and this spread of a bad idea is then trotted out as an excuse for this behaviour). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:51:00 -
[1253] - Quote
Yeah it's dumb to try to have any kind of dialogue when you're unhappy with a particular situation. Just put up with it or walk away. Communication? Who needs that?
/gets divorced after first argument about toilet paper roll placement
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Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
126
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:51:00 -
[1254] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea? I don't understand why people bring this up. People at CCP didn't know he was doing it, so how do people draw a connection ? These are completely different issues. It's just superficially connected by the fact that somebody got stuff and nobody talked about it. Back then, though, it was only one guy who didn't have the blessings of CCP to do it.
I find it disturbing that it's now CCP policy to hand out valuable items to their friends, it's as if the t20 indlcident would have been fully supported if it happened now.
CCP knew the traded value of the ships when they handed them out, they didn't do anything to address this perceived value by announcing it publicly, and only a few select members of a long list of community sites have ever recieved them. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:51:00 -
[1255] - Quote
Baali Tekitsu wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes. Big whoop. It's a game where there is an expectation of the devs staying impartial and not unduly favouring any one part. Their proving themselves partial and favouring specific entities for no adequate reason is a problem, no matter how much you want to dismiss it and the people pointing out this fact.
And there it is. You and others held an unreasonable expectation and areresponding to the violation of the expectation. Their is no real world law saying any game company has to be impartial. Because there is no such law, when you make an informed decision to hand a business you money despite no such guarantee, you are taking a risk. I've simply never held that expectation (in this game, or in life in general where there is a law protecting a specified right or privilage ) and i find such expectations to be silly, even if that expectation is old and the community bought into it. It's ccp's property. They could give all of null sec (for example) to one group. My reaction (beyond the 1st knee jerk 10 seconds of anger, where ever shall I get my nullbear on now?) would end with a click of unsub button, followed by more clicking to get to the Star Citizen kickstarter site since SC is gonna kill EVE anyways. I think many people started playing EvE based on this expactation (sandbox, players, not devs make the story'n'stuff) and at the same time the game itself promotes itself based on this promise.
True, but if people actually BELIEVE it's the case, I have beach front property in Montana they should take a look at.
We've seen it many times. Companies have used consumers expectations to their advantage, but when the real rubber meets the road, they prove that those expectations are vapor. Like when a game goes free to play (after selling people lifetime subscriptions lol).
Many people aren't being informed consumers. If it ain't in writing, you don't have a leg to stand on when a company changes course. If people want to speak out in this case, they should do so by unsubbing (for real). But people making noise on a forum while still playing the game is silly.
I've been unhappy about things in EVE (the general "safer" direction it's been), but for my own sanity i've developed a philosophical outlook about it all. I hope EVE (in or near it's current form) lasts for ever, but if it doesn't it's not the end of the world. I'll just make a bunch of paper airplanes, name them "Guristas and Blood Raiders", get some rubber bands and rat in my living room lol. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:52:00 -
[1256] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:When I was a kid, all manner of things were important.
Now that I'm just shy of 40, I can see those thigns for what they are and where. SILLY.
If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. i used to get so many at FASA Interactive/Microsoft because of what they were doing with the Battletech IP. So mad at Lucas Arts because of the Star Wars stuff etc. Eventually, I realized that I was being dumb, there are rwal actual bad things going on in this world and none of it involves video games.
It's ok for a customer to dislike what a company does, but this reaction reminds me of a small protest I was assigned to work at a wal-mart a few years ago. It wasn't over workers rights, or child labor in China. wal-mart had littlerally stopped selling a certain brand of something and people were mad at that. Oh the indignity of having to be forced to shop at Super Target... Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Although i agree that there are worse things going on in the world and although i also agree that people might have to rethink their priorities, you do know perfectly well that everything is just a matter of perspective.
"The" rich-white-girl whining about her first world problems still feels bad about what's going on, even if it seems like a completely ridiculous issue. It doesn't change the fact that the feelings are real.
You call it silly, while completely dismissing their emotional reality. (is there a proper english term for that ?)
This is not "grown up", but "ignorant of how others feel about things".
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:54:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Yeah it's dumb to try to have any kind of dialogue when you're unhappy with a particular situation. Just put up with it or walk away. Communication? Who needs that?
/gets divorced after first argument about toilet paper roll placement
Yea, it's so much better to stay in an unhappy marriage you now know won't work (because your spouse cheated on you, with SOMER no less) for years, rather than (as we say in my neck of the woods) Cut bait and be done with it.
As someone who spent some years arguing with what would become an ex-wife, you're damn right I say put up with it or walk away. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6059
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:54:00 -
[1258] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:
I swear you come off like a first semester psychologist on like every single post. Why do you feel the need to break down people's posts to the motives behind them?
Well, I did double major in psycology and criminal justice... But the main point is, I like to get to the bottom of a situation, to see WHY im right and others or wrong or why I'm wrong and everyone else should STFU because I'm never wrong... I'm not going to change any minds, but again, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BOARD. If you want a board full of yes men, go make "www.FansofSexyCakes.com" and make one of the rules for posting be "must always agree with Sexy Cakes, because these cankes ain't a lie" or something. One more thing, the constant pleading about why I'm posting demonstrates a level of insecurity about the position being discussed. I read that in a psycology textbook once a long time ago Quote: Learn to take things at face value and not debunk people's comments based on your (badly) perceived reasons behind their post.
In other words, lie. No Christ, you're such a big child. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1255
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:56:00 -
[1259] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Irony. Finally someone got it. Still /popcorn I thought you had more taste than that Scultz... Naming your alt IHaveCandyGetIntTheVan69.... cmon man.
I also drink Jack Daniels, nice shots of it while smoking my favorite Camel cigarettes. Usually doing the paperwork part of my business and while reading some silly stuff on Eve O for personal amusement. All of this fuss and stuff clearly amazes me, its good stuff, also tells a lot about many players state of mind and I can't stop /double+triple facepalm
I'd also rather name my alt MilfsAreGoodDotCom but welp, it's not possible so... *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
202
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:57:00 -
[1260] - Quote
CCP has only trolls to defend them on this one. There no point to discuss with them. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:58:00 -
[1261] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Yeah it's dumb to try to have any kind of dialogue when you're unhappy with a particular situation. Just put up with it or walk away. Communication? Who needs that?
/gets divorced after first argument about toilet paper roll placement
Yea, it's so much better to stay in an unhappy marriage you now know won't work (because your spouse cheated on you, with SOMER no less) for years, rather than (as we say in my neck of the woods) Cut bait and be done with it. As someone who spent some years arguing with what would become an ex-wife, you're damn right I say put up with it or walk away.
Actually I was referring to all the "CCP has the legal right to do what it wants therefore nobody should complain" posts. I should have quoted something but this site is a ***** to use on a phone. |
Musca Sklir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:59:00 -
[1262] - Quote
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:Musca Sklir wrote:hello ccp are you there!?
or do we need to emphasize our need for an official update somehow? I'll go out on a limb and predict you won't get one. Or if you do it will be completely shite and not address the issue at all. That's the reason I unsubbed this account after the previous Somer debacle: money seems to be the only language CCP talks, unfortunately. In the interests of truth I will say that I'm keeping one of my accounts active but that's only because I foolishly paid a year in advance in September.
well yeah they kinda can not do that. the utter lack of communication is poisoning the relation to the community. for a community manager thats unacceptable, he's loosing the credibility he has or has had. also kind hard to imagine this topic was not on their agenda today...
so ccp giev us words!!!1 |
To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:00:00 -
[1263] - Quote
If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:02:00 -
[1264] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Although i agree that there are worse things going on in the world and although i also agree that people might have to rethink their priorities, you do know perfectly well that everything is just a matter of perspective.
Yes, and i try to give people credit for that. Everyone is not me.
Quote: "The" rich-white-girl whining about her first world problems still feels bad about what's going on, even if it seems like a completely ridiculous issue. It doesn't change the fact that the feelings are real.
Or that the issue is still ridiculous lol.
Quote: You call it silly, while completely dismissing their emotional reality. (is there a proper english term for that ?)
This is not "grown up", but "ignorant of how others feel about things".
it's not being ignorant of how people feel. People could feel the sky is orange when it's blue. I'm not one to personally care about how people feel. I care about "what is". Ishukone Scorps "is" CCPs property, as is all of EVE.
It was like that for me in real life. I worked on a job that I like when the powers that be announced changes to the way we worked (changes that I deeply disagreed with).
People EXPLODED in anger, but most stayed. I left (on good terms) to another agency and when my old boss called and told me that the new management had rescinded the changes (three years later), I went back and it's my current job still. For 3 years people bitched and moaned but stayed put, I just can't understand that (in my line of work, their are always other departments hiring/testing).
If CCP did something that was bad enough to make me angry, I'd just leave till they fixed it or not. But ranting about what people do with things that don't beloing to you seems to me alike a form of entitlement thinking. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:02:00 -
[1265] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:GǪand that just makes the second case worse than the first. I didn't judge it, but i agree that it's a completely different scale.
Quote:GǪand I'm saying that he second difference isn't actually a difference in what the issue is: devs favouring a single entity under a veil of secrecy. More of them thinking this bad idea is a good idea doesn't change what it is they're doing. Yes ... ... but in one case, CCP had no idea and didn't show any "favouritism" whatsoever.
That's a difference needed to be pointed out, because that's how it went. CCP didn't pull off the "t20", t20 pulled off the "t20". (hahahaha sounds funny XD)
Quote:I'm calling it endemic because the notion that it's ok for the devs to hand out special favours to specific groups for no adequate reason has spread from just one person to a whole bunch of them. What was just a single dev being stupid is now endemic in all of them (and this spread of a bad idea is then trotted out as an excuse for this behaviour). You might have worded it the wrong way, or i misinterpret "endemic". Saying it spread from one guy to the others implies that CCP thought "hey, t20 did it ... we should too" ... which clearly isn't the case. Language barrier ? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:04:00 -
[1266] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:
I swear you come off like a first semester psychologist on like every single post. Why do you feel the need to break down people's posts to the motives behind them?
Well, I did double major in psycology and criminal justice... But the main point is, I like to get to the bottom of a situation, to see WHY im right and others or wrong or why I'm wrong and everyone else should STFU because I'm never wrong... I'm not going to change any minds, but again, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BOARD. If you want a board full of yes men, go make "www.FansofSexyCakes.com" and make one of the rules for posting be "must always agree with Sexy Cakes, because these cankes ain't a lie" or something. One more thing, the constant pleading about why I'm posting demonstrates a level of insecurity about the position being discussed. I read that in a psycology textbook once a long time ago Quote: Learn to take things at face value and not debunk people's comments based on your (badly) perceived reasons behind their post.
In other words, lie. No Christ, you're such a big child.
I don't know you personally but I've followed your posts. I'm speaking to you man to man (don't look at my girl avatar). you're better than this James. Grow up brother. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:05:00 -
[1267] - Quote
To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly
But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:05:00 -
[1268] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:I am a smart and reasonable person.
Although rich-white-girls' issues might be silly or ridiculous, the feelings these issues cause still are pretty much real. Making fun of her would be dumb, but you don't do that anyway.
Thank you. You might be seen in a better light now, too. ^_^ |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:06:00 -
[1269] - Quote
Interesting how fast the EA type practices took to surface.
No time flat. Welcome to the EA world of non-integrity CCP. Enjoy your stay. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:06:00 -
[1270] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:You might have worded it the wrong way, or i misinterpret "endemic". Saying it spread from one guy to the others implies that CCP thought "hey, t20 did it ... we should too" ... which clearly isn't the case. Language barrier ?
No language barrier, I think you have it right. There is no link between this and T20. CCP owns the pixels/images whatever. They don't have to justify themselves to anyone. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:08:00 -
[1271] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I am a smart and reasonable person. Although rich-white-girls' issues might be silly or ridiculous, the feelings these issues cause still are pretty much real. Making fun of her would be dumb, but you don't do that anyway. Thank you. You might be seen in a better light now, too. ^_^
I know those feelings are real. I deal with people who "feel" like they have a right to other people's stuff lol.
I'm saying that feelings don't matter, the world is what it is. Learn to deal with it or curl up in a ball of feelings.
CCP never promised they wouldn't give away inferior but rare scorps to people lol. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:11:00 -
[1272] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us.
I appreciate the truth in this post. I disagree, CCP's dealing with the SOMER employees is none of our business and I think it would be wrong for ccp to take back the ships after giving them out.
Now, realistically, CCP is a company and like they did the 1st time with SOMER, they will fold this time too. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:11:00 -
[1273] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us. You see and THERE lies the biggest issue of them all.
People tend to WAIT, because they hope there's a chance words change anything. The huge issue with this is that the powers-that-are can exploit this to their advantage ... ... by, for example ...
... artificially creating a different issue to divert peoples' attention. ... waiting it out until people have calmed down or fell into apathy, because it's no use.
For example ... imagine the USA had a huge surveillance network and people complained about it. Imagine furthermore, the president of the USA wants to go to war, but hasn't gotten public approval.
There are two issues - seemingly unrelated - and the people won't budge, so the most reasonable thing to do is to create an issue that diverts their attention and/or changes their opinion.
Like ... i don't know ... blowing up manhattan.
I have no idea how well Crowd Control Productions is actually doing with controlling the crowds, though. For some reason i believe they are doing much better than most people would think. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
644
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:13:00 -
[1274] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I am a smart and reasonable person. Although rich-white-girls' issues might be silly or ridiculous, the feelings these issues cause still are pretty much real. Making fun of her would be dumb, but you don't do that anyway. Thank you. You might be seen in a better light now, too. ^_^ I know those feelings are real. I deal with people who "feel" like they have a right to other people's stuff lol. I'm saying that feelings don't matter, the world is what it is. Learn to deal with it or curl up in a ball of feelings. CCP never promised they wouldn't give away inferior but rare scorps to people lol.
They never promised they wouldn't delete all my items, either, and they have the legal right to do so. You're dumb if you think I shouldn't complain about it if it happens. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:16:00 -
[1275] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I am a smart and reasonable person. Although rich-white-girls' issues might be silly or ridiculous, the feelings these issues cause still are pretty much real. Making fun of her would be dumb, but you don't do that anyway. Thank you. You might be seen in a better light now, too. ^_^ I know those feelings are real. I deal with people who "feel" like they have a right to other people's stuff lol. I'm saying that feelings don't matter, the world is what it is. Learn to deal with it or curl up in a ball of feelings. CCP never promised they wouldn't give away inferior but rare scorps to people lol. They never promised they wouldn't delete all my items, either, and they have the legal right to do so. You're dumb if you think I shouldn't complain about it if it happens.
!st, who said you shouldn't complain? You should do as you please, as would I.
The point is, you can comlain if you like it mostly changes nothing and is pretty silly. In some cases, the better move to to let the anger pass and move on. What you end up doing is a matter of your personal preference. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
644
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:17:00 -
[1276] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us. I appreciate the truth in this post. I disagree, CCP's dealing with the SOMER employees is none of our business and I think it would be wrong for ccp to take back the ships after giving them out. Now, realistically, CCP is a company and like they did the 1st time with SOMER, they will fold this time too.
But you just said CCP has the right to do whatever it wants! So if they take back the ships, Somer should just deal with it, right?
Edit: never mind, I am dealing with a fool. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:18:00 -
[1277] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
I have no idea how well Crowd Control Productions is actually doing with controlling the crowds, though. For some reason i believe they are doing much better than most people would think.
10 years of EVE pretty much proves what you say. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:20:00 -
[1278] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us. I appreciate the truth in this post. I disagree, CCP's dealing with the SOMER employees is none of our business and I think it would be wrong for ccp to take back the ships after giving them out. Now, realistically, CCP is a company and like they did the 1st time with SOMER, they will fold this time too. But you just said CCP has the right to do whatever it wants! So if they take back the ships, Somer should just deal with it, right? Edit: never mind, I am dealing with a fool.
You're acting like a child. We're talking about a video game man.
If CCP decided to take back the ships, those guys have a right to complain too. That's not the point.
I think people complaining about something that is not their business is foolish, but that's just me. I can't revoke your right to complain, so have at it. But as in all things, I have the same privilage, so i'm going to poke fun at you when you do. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:26:00 -
[1279] - Quote
I, for one, sincerely thank those who have took the time to respond to my questions/words.
Now, though, Joe will help me relax with Mary Jane. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:31:00 -
[1280] - Quote
I'm going to toss this out there, posted this in that CSM forum:
myself wrote:Mike Azariah wrote: OR
You shouldn't complain about things given out, demanding they be taken back and instead focus on creating a more equitable system for CCP to issue community gifts.
Me I lean towards the latter.
m
OK, fine, I'll bite, post signer. An ideal and equitable system must have the following qualities: 1. Rewards given by CCP must be entirely impossible to monetize. (i.e. not items that can be sold for isk, or used to gain additional isk) [the only exception being alliance tournament prizes/ships or similar ingame events with open enrollment and correctly publicized] 2. Complete disclosure of the process used to select the people who received the non-monitizeable items or honors, and how ingame entities can become eligible for them. 3. Complete disclosure of who received the items. Bottom line, no free isk, no transferable items. Find other ways to honor people, put up monuments in their favorite systems, put constellations of stars shaped like a group's leader's smiling head, viewable in their home region (do this with mittani and deklein please). Do something creative for god's sake, in a game as big as eve, I'm sure ways could be found to honor communities that do not involve large amounts of rare ships given to people behind closed doors. |
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Prince Kobol
1008
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:31:00 -
[1281] - Quote
I understand what Jenn aSide is saying and to some extent I agree.
Myself, I have said what I wanted to say which is I disagree with giving people/groups/entities in game items, especially those of which that can be sold for billions of isk for free and in secrecy.
I have no issue with Somerblink, as far as I am concerned they have done nothing wrong.
I also have no issue with CCP having a partnership with them, whether its personal or business, as it is beneficial to both parties.
I believe it is right for people to let CCP know there feelings on any given matter.
There is nothing worse then people complain about something and then finding out they have done nothing about it.
This will be my last post on the subject as I have said everything I want to say.
Now its time to go and actually play Eve :) |
Disdaine
439
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:34:00 -
[1282] - Quote
Thirteen posts in the last two pages.
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Jimmy Farrere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:39:00 -
[1283] - Quote
You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
92
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:40:00 -
[1284] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Thirteen posts in the last two pages.
Thread has allways be in top. How this happens doesn't matter. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:43:00 -
[1285] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Thread has allways be in top. How this happens doesn't matter. Indeed.
People don't say "there's a thread of 65 pages filled with varying opinions", they say "there's a 65 page threadnaught about how CCP ****** up".
*gggggg* |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:44:00 -
[1286] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Thirteen posts in the last two pages.
Fourteen |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
120
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:46:00 -
[1287] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Fourteen You do know that you are indirectly helping the side that opposes your opinion, simply by posting in this thread ... right ? |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
39
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:48:00 -
[1288] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us. Too bad that group has no power of any kind. Regardless of their purported mandate, they can only do what CCP allows them to do. CCP Pokethulu has already staked out his position. What the CSM thinks or wants is totally irrelevant. No matter what you say, no matter how long this thread goes, no matter how many people shoot monuments, no matter what the CSM does, CCP will keep right on doing whatever they want as long as people keep logging on.
If you want to do something, log off. You don't have to unsub yet, but you should definitely log off. If the CFC or other major alliances posted a message to the effect of "we're logging off in protest" and the concurrent logons fell below 10k average, you can bet your sweet ass they'll take action. Everything else is pointless. Logging on is the same as voting yes for more of the same. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
203
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:48:00 -
[1289] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Disdaine wrote:Thirteen posts in the last two pages. Fourteen
We are here because we have something to defend. You are here because you have nothing. Just as each time you post. Since years. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
leich
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
40
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:50:00 -
[1290] - Quote
He should be a man and do the right thing trash the lot. |
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Zondrail
Formic Hive
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:51:00 -
[1291] - Quote
First... isn't themittani.com basically the Fox News of EVE? Hasn't he basically said he wants to control "the media" in EVE? Are people really freaking out this much just because an article told them to?
To compare this to the T20 stuff just seems absurd. To say that they need to be more transparent about this or assess the reality of providing these items is fine, and justifiable, but to start talking about CCP employees secret plans to print their friends ships, just seems a little far to me.
I think one thing that needs to be clarified and defined in words, is the value of aesthetic items. In most games, people don't give a crap about giving out aesthetic items, because they have no value. But if you can turn around and sell that aesthetic item for the in-game currency equivalent of a small fleet of capital ships, I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as before. And I think that's where the problem lies with doing things like this in EVE. There are enough collectors in EVE that these are worth a ton of money, that can turn into real-game power.
It's not the stats of the ship I would ever be worried about, it's the value in ISK they immediately hold from being rare. The problem is that ANYTHING would be like this, because it's EVE. Unless you make it a ship you can't fly or blow up, or trade and sell, the problem will always exist. Whether it's a custom ship, or a diamond monocle, someone can sell or destroy it. And to remove that, would make it not EVE.
So if you want to keep things EVE-y, they need to be sellable and destroyable, which means I don't think you can really have a way to recognize in game groups with a reward unless you accept the above problem of those items then being extremely valuable ISK wise (even if they are useful themselves). |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
768
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:51:00 -
[1292] - Quote
Tao Dolcino wrote: We are here because we have something to defend. You are here because you have nothing. Just as each time you post. Since years.
Sanity regarding this incident seems it might be in need of defense. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 20:55:00 -
[1293] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Fourteen You do know that you are indirectly helping the side that opposes your opinion, simply by posting in this thread ... right ?
Who cares? It's a video game board. What's gonna happen, the NSA gonna come get me for supporting CCP.
By the way, if any NSA agents are watching, I LOVE the current President, his family, even his dogs. No need to fire up the black helicopters!
(i could never advocate this in real life because of my job, but here I say "you fellows need to light up some of that "good green" and let your cares fly away" )
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4770
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:01:00 -
[1294] - Quote
Jimmy Farrere wrote:You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands. rubbish, give it to test alliance. don't ignore them There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Vembuvend
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:02:00 -
[1295] - Quote
The only issue is the items that are being given out. If CCP wants to give fan content some recognition, why hand out something that impacts purely game's economy while not denting CCP-s revenue slightest bit?
They took the easy road to not spend a penny and put the players to pay for their gift.
In the end, we should be looked as the gifters, but has CCP asked our advice? Has any polls been made recently? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4771
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 21:09:00 -
[1296] - Quote
Vembuvend wrote:The only issue is the items that are being given out. If CCP wants to give fan content some recognition, why hand out something that impacts purely game's economy while not denting CCP-s revenue slightest bit?
They took the easy road to not spend a penny and put the players to pay for their gift.
In the end, we should be looked as the gifters, but has CCP asked our advice? Has any polls been made recently?] how is that possible, it was supposed to be secret There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
961
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:10:00 -
[1297] - Quote
Still waiting.... The Tears Must Flow |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
768
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:16:00 -
[1298] - Quote
Vembuvend wrote:The only issue is the items that are being given out. If CCP wants to give fan content some recognition, why hand out something that impacts purely game's economy while not denting CCP-s revenue slightest bit?
They took the easy road to not spend a penny and put the players to pay for their gift.
In the end, we should be looked as the gifters, but has CCP asked our advice? Has any polls been made recently?
(I saw this thread spin up few days ago while on a trip and immediately wanted to say that showing appreciation to fan sites is good. After letting it settle in I came to the conclusion that CCP-s method is wrong.) The same can be said for every unique item ever given. That being the case I assume you have an issue with the Alliance tournament ships as well? |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:18:00 -
[1299] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:If CCP did something that was bad enough to make me angry, I'd just leave till they fixed it or not. But ranting about what people do with things that don't beloing to you seems to me alike a form of entitlement thinking.
Some have already unsubbed, but while their accounts still have time, are here expressing their views in hopes of something productive coming from it. Others feel that it is premature to cancel accounts before we have heard an official response from CCP; there may be other details or issues we are unaware of that influence the decision, or CCP may come up with a resolution which placates some of those upset by this issue.
Either way, if you don't give your two cents, how do you expect to get any change?
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Quote:I'm calling it endemic because the notion that it's ok for the devs to hand out special favours to specific groups for no adequate reason has spread from just one person to a whole bunch of them. What was just a single dev being stupid is now endemic in all of them (and this spread of a bad idea is then trotted out as an excuse for this behaviour). You might have worded it the wrong way, or i misinterpret "endemic". Saying it spread from one guy to the others implies that CCP thought "hey, t20 did it ... we should too" ... which clearly isn't the case. Language barrier ?
I'm pretty sure you are thinking of "epidemic", not "endemic" (the use of "endemic" here is referring to the first adjective definition, "natural to or characteristic of"). Don't worry, the two are often confused as even most native English speakers don't understand the difference. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Vembuvend
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:25:00 -
[1300] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vembuvend wrote:The only issue is the items that are being given out. If CCP wants to give fan content some recognition, why hand out something that impacts purely game's economy while not denting CCP-s revenue slightest bit?
They took the easy road to not spend a penny and put the players to pay for their gift.
In the end, we should be looked as the gifters, but has CCP asked our advice? Has any polls been made recently?
(I saw this thread spin up few days ago while on a trip and immediately wanted to say that showing appreciation to fan sites is good. After letting it settle in I came to the conclusion that CCP-s method is wrong.) The same can be said for every unique item ever given. That being the case I assume you have an issue with the Alliance tournament ships as well? I don't have any issues with those particular items at all. What I wanted to point out is that there are better and less disruptive gifts a big company like CCP could give. |
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YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
2
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:26:00 -
[1301] - Quote
Jimmy Farrere wrote:You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands.
[citation needed]? |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
39
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:33:00 -
[1302] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Fourteen You do know that you are indirectly helping the side that opposes your opinion, simply by posting in this thread ... right ? Who cares? It's a video game board. What's gonna happen, the NSA gonna come get me for supporting CCP. By the way, if any NSA agents are watching, I LOVE the current President, his family, even his dogs. No need to fire up the black helicopters! (i could never advocate this in real life because of my job, but here I say "you fellows need to light up some of that "good green" and let your cares fly away" ) Tactical Trolling 101: Every time someone posts, the thread is bumped to the top. It doesn't matter what they post, since most people won't read past page 1. If you own the thread, this is good. If you're against the thread, this is bad.
If you had any brains at all, you'd let the thread die. But, please, keep posting. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
379
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:34:00 -
[1303] - Quote
leich wrote:He should be a man and do the right thing trash the lot.
bonfire of the vanities |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
327
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 21:40:00 -
[1304] - Quote
Totally Lame Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 21:51:00 -
[1305] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:I say "you fellows need to light up some of that "good green" and let your cares fly away" )
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Tactical Trolling 101: Every time someone posts, the thread is bumped to the top. It doesn't matter what they post, since most people won't read past page 1. If you own the thread, this is good. If you're against the thread, this is bad.
If you had any brains at all, you'd let the thread die. But, please, keep posting. I'm So Meta Even Trolling Around |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
64
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:53:00 -
[1306] - Quote
Jimmy Farrere wrote:You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands. i find this very hard to believe, got any actual proof? |
Charru Kauppias
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:01:00 -
[1307] - Quote
I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama. |
Kate stark
397
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:14:00 -
[1308] - Quote
Charru Kauppias wrote:I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama.
let's assume you're correct.
that still leaves nearly 7 pages of legitimate concern. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
333
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:19:00 -
[1309] - Quote
Charru Kauppias wrote:I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama. Confirming that Chribba is a drama lama.
If Chribba is criticizing CCP, maybe they ought to rethink their policies. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 22:26:00 -
[1310] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Fourteen You do know that you are indirectly helping the side that opposes your opinion, simply by posting in this thread ... right ? Who cares? It's a video game board. What's gonna happen, the NSA gonna come get me for supporting CCP. By the way, if any NSA agents are watching, I LOVE the current President, his family, even his dogs. No need to fire up the black helicopters! (i could never advocate this in real life because of my job, but here I say "you fellows need to light up some of that "good green" and let your cares fly away" ) Tactical Trolling 101: Every time someone posts, the thread is bumped to the top. It doesn't matter what they post, since most people won't read past page 1. If you own the thread, this is good. If you're against the thread, this is bad. If you had any brains at all, you'd let the thread die. But, please, keep posting.
Ok, I wuill, and thanks for teaching how the forums i'v ebeen using since forever work lol.
I'll say again, some of you need to take a break from this, get some perspective. We're talking about a video game. |
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Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:28:00 -
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Where does the "secrecy" come into play? I see Somer asking for secrecy but not ccp |
Kate stark
399
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:37:00 -
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Tasha Saisima wrote:Where does the "secrecy" come into play? I see Somer asking for secrecy but not ccp
ccp clearly agreed to do it under the table. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
65
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:43:00 -
[1313] - Quote
i have read some allegations that CCP Navigator previously worked for Somer blink. is there any confirmation on this? |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:47:00 -
[1314] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Charru Kauppias wrote:I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama. Confirming that Chribba is a drama lama.If Chribba is criticizing CCP, maybe they ought to rethink their policies. Totally forgot about Chribba ... If somebody should have gotten stuff, then him... |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
367
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:48:00 -
[1315] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: I'll say again, some of you need to take a break from this, get some perspective. We're talking about a video game.
YOU are the prototype drama queen when it comes to protecting the game from "the evil carebaers". And now you try to tell the people that discuss a similar issue to "get some perspective" and "It's just a video game"... It seams you are just a bad troll after all.. |
Jimmy Farrere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:52:00 -
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Jimmy Farrere wrote:You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands.
To clarify for the more gullible among you, this isn't actually happening.
But it could is the the point. By gifting valuable items to a player-run entity CCP is interfering with the sandbox and who knows what the knock on effect of that will be?
Maybe SOMER or their alts are funding that corporation you're at war with? Maybe they use that isk to manipulate the market that you are speculating on? Why are players being handed an in game advantage for participating in something which exists solely to generate income? While you're spending your hard earned isk (or real life $$$'s) you're competing against people that are being funded indirectly by CCP themselves.
Why didn't CCP just send them Rifter Hubs or T-Shirts or...just nothing at all, the same as they've given to all the other great community sites that are out there?
This isn't against SOMER or anyone who has been given these gifts, it's against CCP's stupid decision to arbitrarily pick favourite in-game entities to donate game-changing amounts of isk to. Especially in the shady manner in which this was done.
CCP, stop sh*tting in your own sandbox! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16895
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:01:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:Jimmy Farrere wrote:You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands. i find this very hard to believe, in fact, i'd wager it's complete bullshit. you got any actual proof? It's not, but if it were, it would be the only legitimate way to turn this idiocy into something that actually resembles the feeble excuses the devs have offered for why they're doing it.
Of course, if they wanted to do that, they could just haveGǪ you knowGǪ created a proper event that actually rewarded the community. It still wouldn't really qualify Somer as a GÇ£community serviceGÇ¥ since the ones providing the service would be the actual organisers, so that part of the dev rationalisations is still pure BS, but at least some part of what they've said would no longer be a blatant lie. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Orakkus
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
194
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:07:00 -
[1318] - Quote
I have read much of what has been written here and in another thread about the situation. Strangely enough, the arguments are the same, go figure. Funny enough, so is my response.
To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.
This is not an issue. This is not even bad.
Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this. He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2369
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:09:00 -
[1319] - Quote
To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
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Mara Maken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:12:00 -
[1320] - Quote
Has CCP remained silent outside of the kotaku quote?
First we has TOS, then Somer, now the secret giveaways.. when is someone going to step up and organize a demonstration to show CCP that they are in the wrong.
Eve has thrived because of the hardcore gamers creating content. I would think that the majority of the hardcore gamers who remember T20 and understand the issues with what has been going on have multiple accounts. It's not difficult to show CCP how big a deal this is. I know I have an account or two im willing to sacrifice. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1345
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:14:00 -
[1321] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Charru Kauppias wrote:I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama. let's assume you're correct. that still leaves nearly 7 pages of legitimate concern.
or 7 pages of people with mother issues that are in dire need of a registered therapist. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1345
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:15:00 -
[1322] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Charru Kauppias wrote:I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama. Confirming that Chribba is a drama lama.If Chribba is criticizing CCP, maybe they ought to rethink their policies. Totally forgot about Chribba ... If somebody should have gotten stuff, then him...
i duuno man CCP gave Cribbs mintchip... thats worth way more then internet pixles right? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16899
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:18:00 -
[1323] - Quote
Orakkus wrote:CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community. What contributions are those?
Quote:This is not an issue. This is not even bad. Then neither was T20. Favouritism is favouritism is favouritism. Just because they've made a habit of it doesn't mean it's suddenly something else. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1345
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:21:00 -
[1324] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Orakkus wrote:CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community. What contributions are those.
ships/skills/etc...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:24:00 -
[1325] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Axhind wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:How have we gone 60 pages without a response? Because CCP knows they are in the wrong. Kinda obvious after the reactions to Somer give away a week or so ago. Must be why they tried to keep the scorp thing secret. It's kinda like governments. I find out they are doing **** and then instead of stopping the full on ****** action they try to keep it secret in the future. Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money. scorpions happened first, however it has only become common knowledge a few days ago.
Great. So Scorpions was not enough and CCP had to give them new unique ships to give away and get even more customers. That makes a lot of sense, after there is such a lack of useful player made services that their only option was a gambling site that is making mad isk as it is.
Sometimes I wonder what the hell is going on at CCP. All the good work Fozie and co are doing gets ruined by the few devs who seem to have issues with ethics. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:33:00 -
[1326] - Quote
That's it !
The solution to the problem is to create a player division supported by CCP.
Players can ask for funding, in return for content. A fitting minimum requirement to apply would be a plan of what the funds would be used for.
The People (simply add a specific forum) and/or CCP can review these plans and then grant or deny funding.
Players who actually create content, also find supporting individuals.
If a player misuses the funds, he can simply be banned and the ISK pulled off.
This way, those worthy can be found easily and supported individually.
I know at least one guy, who isn't you or anybody not reading this, who could put this to very, very good use.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
387
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:33:00 -
[1327] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Sometimes I wonder what the hell is going on at CCP. All the good work Fozie and co are doing gets ruined by the few devs who seem to have issues with ethics.
Keep supporting Fozzie and Rise in their quest to make this game not suck!
Despite the rest of the companies best efforts. Not today spaghetti. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1196
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:39:00 -
[1328] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:That's it !
The solution to the problem is to create a player division supported by CCP.
Players can ask for funding, in return for content. A fitting minimum requirement to apply would be a plan of what the funds would be used for.
The People (simply add a specific forum) and/or CCP can review these plans and then grant or deny funding.
Players who actually create content, also find supporting individuals.
If a player misuses the funds, he can simply be banned and the ISK pulled off.
This way, those worthy can be found easily and supported individually.
I know at least one guy, who isn't you or anybody not reading this, who could put this to very, very good use.
Here's a better idea. How about CCP stops f*king with the sandbox, and lets people create their own content and make their own money themselves? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
965
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:49:00 -
[1329] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:Orakkus wrote:CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community. What contributions are those. ships/skills/etc...
lol The Tears Must Flow |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
214
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:24:00 -
[1330] - Quote
Hilmar, why have you abandoned us?!?!?!
Seriously tho, need some words from CCP on this, no?
We shooting the monument yet? Probably not, I think most of us who "get it" are too sickened by this one to even engage in such frivolity. Seriously, makes monocles look like a bump in the road... |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4777
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:25:00 -
[1331] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:Orakkus wrote:CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community. What contributions are those. ships/skills/etc... lol Hahaha
oh wait, you were serious
is that what ccp told you? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
214
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:28:00 -
[1332] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:Orakkus wrote:CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community. What contributions are those. ships/skills/etc... lol Hahaha oh wait, you were serious is that what ccp told you?
Listen, I learned how to play eve from SomerBlink. It is simple:
You form a corporation in EVE and make a ton of isk, and then CCP Navigator will think you are really awesome for the game. I mean how could you not be? You make a lot of isk and run nifty lotteries, so you must be good for the game.
So:
CCP Navigator gives you more isk. You win!
Lesson: CCP rewards those who win at eve with more winning at eve. But only as long as you are 100% trustworthy, like good old SomerBlink. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4777
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:32:00 -
[1333] - Quote
Argus Sorn wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:What contributions are those. ships/skills/etc... lol Hahaha oh wait, you were serious is that what ccp told you? Listen, I learned how to play eve from SomerBlink. It is simple: You form a corporation in EVE and make a ton of isk, and then CCP Navigator will think you are really awesome for the game. I mean how could you not be? You make a lot of isk and run nifty lotteries, so you must be good for the game. So: CCP Navigator gives you more isk. You win! Lesson: CCP rewards those who win at eve with more winning at eve. But only as long as you are 100% trustworthy, like good old SomerBlink. Sounds about right.
To play eve online properly you gotta play ccp real life There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
186
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:46:00 -
[1334] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
Not empty quoting. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4779
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:48:00 -
[1335] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
people loved walk in station too Not empty quoting.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
186
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:52:00 -
[1336] - Quote
Alavaria wrote: Sounds about right.
To play eve online properly you gotta play ccp real life
So THAT'S why E-Uni and RvB haven't been given rare and exclusive ships yet (that we know of).
Of course, knowing them, they'd just get them all blown up *shudder* instead of using them as isk windfalls, like they should. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6067
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:54:00 -
[1337] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:i have read some allegations that CCP Navigator previously worked for Somer blink. is there any confirmation on this? Bring back Kugutsumen. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:07:00 -
[1338] - Quote
How long will this thread last?
WILLING TO TAKE BETS!
maybe if I form a corp and take bets i'll get my own scorp |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4781
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:35:00 -
[1339] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Alavaria wrote: Sounds about right.
To play eve online properly you gotta play ccp real life
So THAT'S why E-Uni and RvB haven't been given rare and exclusive ships yet (that we know of). Of course, knowing them, they'd just get them all blown up *shudder* instead of using them as isk windfalls, like they should. Well they could probably use them as a massive t1 frigate windfall.
I don't know how far it would go, but if it's like Rifters and stuff, pretty far. Much further than 1 trit.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4781
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:36:00 -
[1340] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:How long will this thread last? WILLING TO TAKE BETS! maybe if I form a corp and take bets i'll get my own scorp Only if it somehow gets people buying gtc from you instead of elsewhere There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Kordran Ke'Azir
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:41:00 -
[1341] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Quote: Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this) I used to do something that was stupid I have grown out of it and realized I shouldn't do it so I no longer do this thing It is no longer stupid? Thanks ... i completely missed this other perspective.
A more extreme, but maybe easier to understand analogy would be this:
I used to do massive amounts of crack. I realised (by growing up) that doing it was fricking stupid and was killing me so I stopped. Does previously doing massive amounts of crack now stop me from telling people who still do massive amounts of crack that it's fricking stupid and is killing them? |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:59:00 -
[1342] - Quote
Kordran Ke'Azir wrote:A more extreme, but maybe easier to understand analogy would be this:
I used to do massive amounts of crack. I realised (by growing up) that doing it was fricking stupid and was killing me so I stopped. Does previously doing massive amounts of crack now stop me from telling people who still do massive amounts of crack that it's fricking stupid and is killing them? How is that the same ? EvE isn't killing you, so emotional attachement isn't bad per se. |
Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.10.08 02:56:00 -
[1343] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Tasha Saisima wrote:Where does the "secrecy" come into play? I see Somer asking for secrecy but not ccp ccp clearly agreed to do it under the table.
This is pure guesswork unless someone can prove Navigator asked for it to be done in secrecy
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
436
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:23:00 -
[1344] - Quote
Just hit me that CCP employees who play in secret (as required) may not really understand the value of isk. Do they get their side accounts for free or do they have to really join the rest of us in forking up cash each month or working our asses off to PLEX?
Root of evil? CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
63
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:42:00 -
[1345] - Quote
Tasha Saisima wrote:Kate stark wrote:Tasha Saisima wrote:Where does the "secrecy" come into play? I see Somer asking for secrecy but not ccp ccp clearly agreed to do it under the table. This is pure guesswork unless someone can prove Navigator asked for it to be done in secrecy
This is true, although it does seem to have been a conscious decision by CCP to keep things quiet. From the time line it seems that these gifts were given before the shitstorm of the magnets and vexor prizes. There was a big announcement from CCP about that, but they chose to still be quiet about the Scorps.
Anyway after considerable consideration, I've decided to develop an Evebook website, with plex to play Amarrville and Caldari Crush plex to play games. Set up my own plex selling store, and every time somebody buys through that store, they get an extra life bonus on games. People will be able to invite friends to play for a bonus (based on standings). Obviously this will create mind numbing addiction, which will, in turn, create plenty of isk for me, but more importantly for CCP . I should be on to a winner.
Of course, there will be advertising on my site, based on peoples browsing habits...so I should make quite a bit from SOMERBlink as well .
Any gifts that I receive, will be gratefully accepted (not that I will tell you reprobates and low lifes about it), which I will dully sell on the in-game market for billions and billions and billions. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
686
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:42:00 -
[1346] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:Just hit me that CCP employees who play in secret (as required) may not really understand the value of isk. Do they get their side accounts for free or do they have to really join the rest of us in forking up cash each month or working our asses off to PLEX?
Root of evil?
I can't state specifically for CCP of course, but I've had a few friends work in-house for reasonably large MMOG companies. Their policy was, in-house staff got accounts free, and could get "stuff" spawned for their chars, within reason.
No super rare game breaking things on the "play" chars, but it typically wasn't an issue to fire off an E-mail with "Hey, can you set me up with a lvl 90 Death Magician with typical gear for the level? Don't feel like grinding" The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2997
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:10:00 -
[1347] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
i bolded the part thats important. you people didn't stop playing with the ref, your still playing while runnning up and down the street comploaining about how unfair it is and that ref will cause the end of the world.
I'm sorry that CCP giving some people some crap ships makes the game less fun for you. It does not for me.
But please, for the love of all that's good, stop descending to the level of the idiots we all usually laugh at. No one is trolling you, no one is trying to get a response from you. Even suggesting thyatr is unworthy of an intelligent man.
We disagree and think that your reaction is silly. It's not being any kind of CCP white knight or fanboi, we're not on SOMERs payroll. We simply think all of this is stupid.
We're pointing out to you that your reaction is silly, the same way we'd point it out to the guy playing a non-professional pick up game of soccer who ended up punching the ref in the mouth and getting hauled off to jail for assault, all of something that just doesn't matter one bit. Just find a new ref.
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Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
316
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:14:00 -
[1348] - Quote
Well I've let my alt sub expire. I see no reason to continue skilling up my industrial alt when CCP can give my competition hundreds of billions of free ISK. Kinda defeats the purpose of playing a game, no? |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
316
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:17:00 -
[1349] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Just find a new ref.
LOL. How many space-themed sandboxes do you think are out there? I know there's Vendetta but that's about it. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9268
|
Posted - 2013.10.08 04:19:00 -
[1350] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:How many space-themed sandboxes do you think are out there?
as far as MMOs with at least 10,000 players online throughout most of the day? none, since about a year ago or so Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:25:00 -
[1351] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Just find a new ref.
LOL. How many space-themed sandboxes do you think are out there? I know there's Vendetta but that's about it.
We shouldn't have to leave eve.. WTF
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4784
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:41:00 -
[1352] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Just find a new ref. LOL. How many space-themed sandboxes do you think are out there? I know there's Vendetta but that's about it. We shouldn't have to leave eve.. WTF Checkmate There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4024
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Posted - 2013.10.08 06:33:00 -
[1353] - Quote
This thread now turned into the thread of lots of spoiled little kids...
So many kids complaining about how the other guys soup is better, but at the same time refusing to leave the table out of protest.
"I shouldn't have to unsub"
Decadent, spoiled masses. May CCP never give in. You don't deserve it.
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dexington
BodyBag Industries
818
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:01:00 -
[1354] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:This thread now turned into the thread of lots of spoiled little kids...
So many kids complaining about how the other guys soup is better, but at the same time refusing to leave the table out of protest.
"I shouldn't have to unsub"
Decadent, spoiled masses. May CCP never give in. You don't deserve it.
It might be filled with spoiled kids, but i see self righteous hipsters taking over in the near future.... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
317
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:04:00 -
[1355] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:tears about tears
I want better soup. |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:12:00 -
[1356] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:This thread now turned into the thread of lots of spoiled little kids...
So many kids complaining about how the other guys soup is better, but at the same time refusing to leave the table out of protest.
"I shouldn't have to unsub"
Decadent, spoiled masses. May CCP never give in. You don't deserve it.
That basically was Jester's point in a nutshell, Shut up or GTFO.
No point in trying to persuade anyone they are wrong kinda attitude, just ride this train and you don't complain about the conductor pissing in your soup whilst giving some other dude he likes champagne, super fine soup and caviar, if you don't like it get the **** off at the next stop.
No replacement soup and no conductor getting a severe beating to put an end to his shenanigans.
However, CCP have seen the error of their ways on many occasions following player protest and complaint, doesn't always happen immediately, and doesn't help that certain player councillors appear to be running interference for them these days, but why just give up without a fight? |
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
482
|
Posted - 2013.10.08 07:13:00 -
[1357] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
i bolded the part thats important. you people didn't stop playing with the ref, your still playing while runnning up and down the street comploaining about how unfair it is and that ref will cause the end of the world. I'm sorry that CCP giving some people some crap ships makes the game less fun for you. It does not for me. But please, for the love of all that's good, stop descending to the level of the idiots we all usually laugh at. No one is trolling you, no one is trying to get a response from you. Even suggesting thyatr is unworthy of an intelligent man. We disagree and think that your reaction is silly. It's not being any kind of CCP white knight or fanboi, we're not on SOMERs payroll. We simply think all of this is stupid. We're pointing out to you that your reaction is silly, the same way we'd point it out to the guy playing a non-professional pick up game of soccer who ended up punching the ref in the mouth and getting hauled off to jail for assault, all of something that just doesn't matter one bit. Just find a new ref. Not everyone's a Gen Y and thinks the world and everything in it is discardable. You know, just give up and take ball home when things don't go the way they like.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:29:00 -
[1358] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:This thread now turned into the thread of lots of spoiled little kids...
So many kids complaining about how the other guys soup is better, but at the same time refusing to leave the table out of protest.
"I shouldn't have to unsub"
Decadent, spoiled masses. May CCP never give in. You don't deserve it.
heh, people may not unsubb now but if CCP continues like this over time the subs will gradually decline on their own. |
Sparky999
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:33:00 -
[1359] - Quote
I don't get why people are making a big deal of this.....
I mean as far as im conserned as long as it doesn't effect my gameplay then it really shouldn't matter. Then again I guess I just think differently then most of you do. Im pretty sure ill live when im not getting a gift or free stuff from CCP. Ok yes, I can see where some of you are coming from when you say they shouldn't have tried to hide it, but does it really effect how you play the game? I don't really think so. I think you guys will live from not getting free stuff. Like I said though. its just my opinion. |
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
3
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:49:00 -
[1360] - Quote
With these ships being given out to buddies, and CCP being strangely nearly completely silent on the matter - it makes me wonder what else was given out? o_O |
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Stoogie
Space Pygmies
121
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:50:00 -
[1361] - Quote
But it does effect you. Go back and read the thread to find out why. Its been explained about 50 times at least. These "thank yous" are worth isk if they are sold and that isk can be used to change the sand box. This means its not a level playing field and if your enemies are giving this advantage then you are directly affected. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
318
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:57:00 -
[1362] - Quote
Sparky999 wrote:I don't get why people are making a big deal of this.....
I mean as far as im conserned as long as it doesn't effect my gameplay then it really shouldn't matter. Then again I guess I just think differently then most of you do. Im pretty sure ill live when im not getting a gift or free stuff from CCP. Ok yes, I can see where some of you are coming from when you say they shouldn't have tried to hide it, but does it really effect how you play the game? I don't really think so. I think you guys will live from not getting free stuff. Like I said though. its just my opinion.
I don't care about getting free stuff. I care about my OPPONENTS getting free stuff. This isn't Hello Kitty Online. If your opponents get free stuff and you don't, you are LOSING your edge. Do you like the dealer deliberately handing other players pocket aces? This is what you would call RIGGED. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2377
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:02:00 -
[1363] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
i bolded the part thats important. you people didn't stop playing with the ref, your still playing while runnning up and down the street comploaining about how unfair it is and that ref will cause the end of the world.
I'm sorry that CCP giving some people some crap ships makes the game less fun for you. It does not for me.
But please, for the love of all that's good, stop descending to the level of the idiots we all usually laugh at. No one is trolling you, no one is trying to get a response from you. Even suggesting thyatr is unworthy of an intelligent man.
We disagree and think that your reaction is silly. It's not being any kind of CCP white knight or fanboi, we're not on SOMERs payroll. We simply think all of this is stupid.
We're pointing out to you that your reaction is silly, the same way we'd point it out to the guy playing a non-professional pick up game of soccer who ended up punching the ref in the mouth and getting hauled off to jail for assault, all of something that just doesn't matter one bit. Just find a new ref.
Sigh, ok, I'll explain yet another thing I thought should have been obvious.
The reason we haven't stopped playing yet, and that we're continuing to play while at the same time basically shouting "what are you doing, ref! That's mental!" is because... drum roll please... we like our hobby. We like our little just-for-fun past time. Our default position is that we want to keep doing it. So when the ref makes a mental call, we don't immediately quit the thing we like doing forever - now THAT would be childish - we continue playing, but call the ref out for an obvious mistake, in the hopes that he'll realise it was wrong and to the detriment of this little hobby that we all play for fun
The fact that you have repeatedly called people childish is why I pondered the possibility of trolling. How can you talk about maturity, what is worthy of an intelligent discussion, when all of your posts are laced with ad hominem and implications that you're smarter and better than everyone else? That reeks of trolling, mate
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dexington
BodyBag Industries
818
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:08:00 -
[1364] - Quote
Sparky999 wrote:I mean as far as im conserned as long as it doesn't effect my gameplay then it really shouldn't matter.
It may not affect your game play today, but we all play in the same sandbox. If CCP decide to give someone billions of isk, they give that person an advantage over everybody else.
They give someone a ship which he sells, and use the money to kick start his market manipulation career, which again enables him to make even more isk. This would never had been possible without CCP intervention, and in the end you don't what he will do with the isk he has earned.
If that person decided to spend it all on building a new high sec awoxing empire, you may be affected by the reward he initially revived from CCP. The isk CCP has given someone today, are still going to be in their wallet for the rest of their eve career.
CCP made the butterfly effect video, to explain how player actions within the sandbox affect other players, that video explain why CCP can't secretly give isk to selected individuals. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
127
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:30:00 -
[1365] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Just find a new ref. LOL. How many space-themed sandboxes do you think are out there? I know there's Vendetta but that's about it. We shouldn't have to leave eve.. WTF Checkmate
Eve is only a game, is a good game and unique in many ways, but its only a form of entertainment.
If CCP do not want to run their game in a professional way then there are many other companies that will gladly accept more customers.
Personally I have a stack of steam sale games that I have yet to play. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
62
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:35:00 -
[1366] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote: The same can be said for every unique item ever given. That being the case I assume you have an issue with the Alliance tournament ships as well?
there's the slight difference of communication. It's public knowledge how you can try to get such a tournament ship.
If CCP wants to hand out things to contributors, fine, that can be good PR.
Doing it in secret on the basis of some criteria no-one knows is doing it wrong and leads to players feeling that there's favoritism in-game. This is bad PR and even dangerous.
it's not about being jealous, but about how a company is managed. Not my business you say, well, you're right. The way CCP has chosen was silly nonetheless and I do have personal issues with mismanagement.
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
792
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:42:00 -
[1367] - Quote
dexington wrote:Sparky999 wrote:I mean as far as im conserned as long as it doesn't effect my gameplay then it really shouldn't matter. It may not affect your game play today, but we all play in the same sandbox. If CCP decide to give someone billions of isk, they give that person an advantage over everybody else. They give someone a ship which he sells, and use the money to kick start his market manipulation career, which again enables him to make even more isk. This would never had been possible without CCP intervention... no really 1) he could loan it from friends 2) he could sell PLEX 3) he could scam 4) .... 5) 1001 more ideas where to get ISK
So in the end he got these ISK from CCP. Yes, i'm jelly too but.... In RL we have people who "has it all" and who doesn't. This is how we live. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
818
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:57:00 -
[1368] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:dexington wrote:Sparky999 wrote:I mean as far as im conserned as long as it doesn't effect my gameplay then it really shouldn't matter. It may not affect your game play today, but we all play in the same sandbox. If CCP decide to give someone billions of isk, they give that person an advantage over everybody else. They give someone a ship which he sells, and use the money to kick start his market manipulation career, which again enables him to make even more isk. This would never had been possible without CCP intervention... no really 1) he could loan it from friends 2) he could sell PLEX 3) he could scam 4) .... 5) 1001 more ideas where to get ISK So in the end he got these ISK from CCP. Yes, i'm jelly too but.... In RL we have people who "has it all" and who doesn't. This is how we live.
The problem is the 6 option, get the isk from CCP. Option 1 to 5 is all based on someone working to make isk, playing by the in-game rules. The 6 option is based on promoting the game, and getting something from CCP.
I did something out of game, so CCP secretly gives me a big pile of isk in-game. It would be okay in most other mmo's, it just don't work in eve. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
John Tomplin
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:22:00 -
[1369] - Quote
I imagine this is the sort of thing that would have gone down at a staff meeting. Its not some shady back dealing of a few CCP guys of course. I myself believe 1. that I can't have any expectation to be privy to the internal workings of CCP (fat chance, its just not happening) 2. In addition, gratuities and handshakes are a big part of business. I don't know if it was done best, or what options were available I wasn't at that meeting.
I don't buy claims to the contrary but with those two points made. My only trifle is a lot of money was exchanged in a way that made a lot of players feel alienated it seems. Fundraising is important for player operated initiatives and this sort of thing really spits in the soup when contributions are held back for fear of what will be said about who gave them.
I for one, enjoy the Eve fiction and illustrated fiction that could be seen in an organized publication, and would like to support any projects that produce the type of content that would be seen there. Fundraising may be in my future, and getting ISK from EVE players is already like pulling teeth....
People really do get overly excited though. Some people get a company car. These guys got a ship in a game, and the price was one small car for their entire website. The fallout is its all over the EVE community for the last month. I get the issues, its complex. There are many cakes, and CCP cannot have and eat them all at the same time. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ The Teacher Part One novella in progress! Comments are welcome at John's EVE Fiction forum post for his novella. Keep writing and fly dangerous! |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
126
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:44:00 -
[1370] - Quote
so are we attually going to get a ccp responce? |
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Kate stark
408
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:45:00 -
[1371] - Quote
corbexx wrote:so are we attually going to get a ccp responce?
yeah we got it days ago on some gaming site i never new existed.
scorp refines in to 1 trit, it's nbd. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
370
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:49:00 -
[1372] - Quote
Cool, but is that 1 unit of trit still worth 15 bil ? |
Kate stark
408
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:54:00 -
[1373] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote: Cool, but is that 1 unit of trit still worth 15 bil ?
if some one miss-clicks, it could be. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1099
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Posted - 2013.10.08 10:23:00 -
[1374] - Quote
dexington wrote:March rabbit wrote:dexington wrote:Sparky999 wrote:I mean as far as im conserned as long as it doesn't effect my gameplay then it really shouldn't matter. It may not affect your game play today, but we all play in the same sandbox. If CCP decide to give someone billions of isk, they give that person an advantage over everybody else. They give someone a ship which he sells, and use the money to kick start his market manipulation career, which again enables him to make even more isk. This would never had been possible without CCP intervention... no really 1) he could loan it from friends 2) he could sell PLEX 3) he could scam 4) .... 5) 1001 more ideas where to get ISK So in the end he got these ISK from CCP. Yes, i'm jelly too but.... In RL we have people who "has it all" and who doesn't. This is how we live. The problem is the 6 option, get the isk from CCP. Option 1 to 5 is all based on someone working to make isk, playing by the in-game rules. The 6 option is based on promoting the game, and getting something from CCP. I did something out of game, so CCP secretly gives me a big pile of isk in-game. It would be okay in most other mmo's, it just don't work in eve.
Sadly you're right. Isk spawned from nowhere which could create an butterfly effect especially in the market sector. Bad CCP bad. But they know that, think it's about time we get a response and move on. This has lasted long enough.
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Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2013.10.08 10:55:00 -
[1375] - Quote
Cierra Royce wrote:Solstice Project wrote:This thread now turned into the thread of lots of spoiled little kids...
So many kids complaining about how the other guys soup is better, but at the same time refusing to leave the table out of protest.
"I shouldn't have to unsub"
Decadent, spoiled masses. May CCP never give in. You don't deserve it.
That basically was Jester's point in a nutshell, Shut up or GTFO. No point in trying to persuade anyone they are wrong kinda attitude, just ride this train and you don't complain about the conductor pissing in your soup whilst giving some other dude he likes champagne, super fine soup and caviar, if you don't like it get the **** off at the next stop. No replacement soup and no conductor getting a severe beating to put an end to his shenanigans. However, CCP have seen the error of their ways on many occasions following player protest and complaint, doesn't always happen immediately, and doesn't help that certain player councillors appear to be running interference for them these days, but why just give up without a fight? Please snap back to reality. It's a forum. You write text.
You are *not* putting up a fight !
If you were to put up a fight, in context, you *would* unsub, because that would seriously get their attention.
Text in a forum doesn't. As you can see.
You're crybabies, nothing more. If you were serious, there would be some *real* consequences for CCP.
All you people are are spoiled, decadent children. |
Kate stark
430
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:00:00 -
[1376] - Quote
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Please snap back to reality. It's a forum. You write text.
You are *not* putting up a fight !
If you were to put up a fight, in context, you *would* unsub, because that's an aggressive act. Text in a forum isn't.
You're crybabies, nothing more. If you were serious, there would be some *real* consequences for CCP.
All you people are are spoiled, decadent children.
reality? the reality is we don't want to leave the game, we love it. however equally; we aren't going to sit by and say nothing while ccp does something dumb.
we don't want to have a knee-jerk reaction and unsub all of our accounts because ccp got something wrong. we'd rather say "hey ccp, you ****** up, what are you going to do about it?" and then if that goes unanswered or we're given an unsatisfactory answer, THEN is the time to unsub, and not a moment before.
spoiled crybabies will unsub and provide "real" consequences the moment things don't go their way; people with a bit more maturity on the other hand will open a dialogue and see if the issue can be resolved before taking other actions. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:03:00 -
[1377] - Quote
BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute.
CCP manifest specifically stated that:
Quote:The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events.
You all should get out more. This only hurts people who invested in Ish scorps thinking they'd get more valuable. Bad investment, happens all the time.
Move on. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
211
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:07:00 -
[1378] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
Exactly. I'll add that if you don't move your as* to fight against unfairness at such a relative small scale, then you will certainly not move it neither when you will witness something bigger. It's a question of ethic, justice, moral, conscientiousness... you name it. It's as important in the details as in the big picture. If you don't feel that anymore, then you are losing your humanity. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
John Tomplin
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:07:00 -
[1379] - Quote
People have an exaggerated sense of how fast CCP ought to respond to things, but if they start alienating the base of players they draw upon for ISD volunteers, for example, it won't do them any good.
Most of the people on this thread are trying to better the game of EVE I would hope, and I am not sure labelling an entire thread "spoiled" and "crybabies" does that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaluation_(psychology)
____________________________________________________________________________________ The Teacher Part One novella in progress! Comments are welcome at John's EVE Fiction forum post for his novella. Keep writing and fly dangerous! |
Kate stark
430
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:10:00 -
[1380] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. that's also not the issue. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:21:00 -
[1381] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. that's also not the issue.
Doesn't matter wether the issue is that CCP secretly donated them or if it's the monetary value of said items. They suck, they are not T2 BPO's that u actually can put to good use.
You are free to leave. Cancel your accounts, buh bye.
My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
288
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:22:00 -
[1382] - Quote
Sparky999 wrote: Ok yes, I can see where some of you are coming from when you say they shouldn't have tried to hide it, but does it really effect how you play the game? I don't really think so. I think you guys will live from not getting free stuff.
Yes, it can affect you. Say CCP gave someone 500b ISK and that someone bought up 500b in dreads and carriers and then gave them all to your worst enemy. How do you think that affects your game? I would assume quite negatively.
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Kate stark
432
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:23:00 -
[1383] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. that's also not the issue. Doesn't matter wether the issue is that CCP secretly donated them or if it's the monetary value of said items. They suck, they are not T2 BPO's that u actually can put to good use. You are free to leave. Cancel your accounts, buh bye.
you're also free to read the thread and try and understand the issue. although considering you've just told me to cancel my accounts even though on the previous page of the thread i've made a post about not doing so; i'm assuming reading isn't your strong suit. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
371
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:23:00 -
[1384] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. CCP manifest specifically stated that: Quote:The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. You all should get out more. This only hurts people who invested in Ish scorps thinking they'd get more valuable. Bad investment, happens all the time. Also, do you really think Chribba hasn't received ANYTHING at all from CCP for all his work? Really? REALLY? Are you really that dumb to think that SOMER is the only organization that has gotten recognition from CCP over the years? Move on.
Way to completely miss the point. |
Steve Lau
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:27:00 -
[1385] - Quote
I love EvE but this makes me question playing in the long term future which is what I had planned. -.- |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
687
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:29:00 -
[1386] - Quote
My perspective on the whole scorp giveaway...
CCP has shown the ability to add "trinkets" to the game pretty easily. Things like the christmas collectables, the upcoming in-game trinkets from collectors edition purchase.
Why not quickly toss in a "SOMER Blink Appreciation" collectible/trinket? CCP gives it's "thank-you", it's worthless to the vast majority of folks, and SOMER employees have that token of gratitude.
I mean, TBH, I'd rather have something like that, over what amounts to a quick ship re-skin. Kind of shows a little more "we care" , if you get my drift.
I guess the key part though, was "Worthless to anyone but the people who earned it".... The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Steve Lau
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:31:00 -
[1387] - Quote
corbexx wrote:so are we attually going to get a ccp responce?
Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaa. So young and innocent. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:34:00 -
[1388] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. CCP manifest specifically stated that: Quote:The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. You all should get out more. This only hurts people who invested in Ish scorps thinking they'd get more valuable. Bad investment, happens all the time. Also, do you really think Chribba hasn't received ANYTHING at all from CCP for all his work? Really? REALLY? Are you really that dumb to think that SOMER is the only organization that has gotten recognition from CCP over the years? Move on. Way to completely miss the point.
Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
322
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:34:00 -
[1389] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote: Doesn't matter wether the issue is that CCP secretly donated them or if it's the monetary value of said items. They suck, they are not T2 BPO's that u actually can put to good use.
You are free to leave. Cancel your accounts, buh bye.
I think there's a bit of brown on your nose. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:38:00 -
[1390] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote: Doesn't matter wether the issue is that CCP secretly donated them or if it's the monetary value of said items. They suck, they are not T2 BPO's that u actually can put to good use.
You are free to leave. Cancel your accounts, buh bye.
I think there's a bit of brown on your nose.
Yea, and I can taste the salt in your tears from half way across the globe.
Can't tell the salt percentage though. Are they super salty or just so-so? My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
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Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
323
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:41:00 -
[1391] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Yea, and I can taste the salt in your tears from half way across the globe.
Can't tell the salt percentage though. Are they super salty or just so-so?
I'll answer if you gift me an Ishk Scorpion. I hear they are worthless, so you can easily afford one. |
Kate stark
441
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:43:00 -
[1392] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$.
the fact that it sets a precedent of CCP giving anything they want, to any one they want, whenever they want, without a word about it.
if you don't see the potential issue there then i don't know what to say to you, there's no way to rephrase it with words using less syllables. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
John Tomplin
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:48:00 -
[1393] - Quote
Well I am at least happy for the Fiction contest for the time being, Somer has given EVE that at least.
Just because you have a keyboard in front of you doesn't mean you have to be an angry name calling Grinch. You hurt my feelings, and I need to discuss my feelings with my bear.
This thread has deteriorated. See you on the next one.
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http://thearchertheteacher.blogspot.ca/ |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
374
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:48:00 -
[1394] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. CCP manifest specifically stated that: Quote:The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. You all should get out more. This only hurts people who invested in Ish scorps thinking they'd get more valuable. Bad investment, happens all the time. Also, do you really think Chribba hasn't received ANYTHING at all from CCP for all his work? Really? REALLY? Are you really that dumb to think that SOMER is the only organization that has gotten recognition from CCP over the years? Move on. Way to completely miss the point. Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$.
You clearly missed the point where this is NOT about Somer but about CCP handing people game changing amounts of isk just because........ |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:50:00 -
[1395] - Quote
Mra Rednu wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:BOO HOO CCP spawned some useless ships again. That's cute. CCP manifest specifically stated that: Quote:The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events. You all should get out more. This only hurts people who invested in Ish scorps thinking they'd get more valuable. Bad investment, happens all the time. Also, do you really think Chribba hasn't received ANYTHING at all from CCP for all his work? Really? REALLY? Are you really that dumb to think that SOMER is the only organization that has gotten recognition from CCP over the years? Move on. Way to completely miss the point. Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$. You clearly missed the point where this is NOT about Somer but about CCP handing people game changing amounts of isk just because........
Game changing amounts of isk? 600 bil? Are you insane?
I'd completely understand if this was BPO's because people want bpo's. Who, in their right mind buys a Ish Scorp? Prices on those will drop rapidly now that CCP has stated that they will be given out again.
They are only worth isk to collectors, to me, they are garbage. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:52:00 -
[1396] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$. the fact that it sets a precedent of CCP giving anything they want, to any one they want, whenever they want, without a word about it. if you don't see the potential issue there then i don't know what to say to you, there's no way to rephrase it with words using less syllables.
They didn't give out BPO's man. They gave out painted scorps that isn't worth more than a regular scorp. In fact, even less because they refine into 1 trit. BIG difference.
Sure, it was bad that it was done under the radar but, the ships are useless. Do try to realise that. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kate stark
444
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:54:00 -
[1397] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$. the fact that it sets a precedent of CCP giving anything they want, to any one they want, whenever they want, without a word about it. if you don't see the potential issue there then i don't know what to say to you, there's no way to rephrase it with words using less syllables. They didn't give out BPO's man. They gave out painted scorps that isn't worth more than a regular scorp. In fact, even less because they refine into 1 trit. BIG difference. Sure, it was bad that it was done under the radar but, the ships are useless. Do try to realise that. Also try to realise that this doesn't mean that CCP is printing T2 BPO's to shady organizations. Please do remove your tinfoil hat.
i see you still can't grasp the issue even though i've clearly explained it to you.
tip: nobody gives a **** that blink got scorpions. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:56:00 -
[1398] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Yea, and I can taste the salt in your tears from half way across the globe.
Can't tell the salt percentage though. Are they super salty or just so-so? I'll answer if you gift me an Ishk Scorpion. I hear they are worthless, so you can easily afford one.
I would but since you obviously can't afford one of your own, I won't. In my world poor = dumb.
Dumb people will always waste the money one way or the other. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kate stark
448
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:58:00 -
[1399] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Yea, and I can taste the salt in your tears from half way across the globe.
Can't tell the salt percentage though. Are they super salty or just so-so? I'll answer if you gift me an Ishk Scorpion. I hear they are worthless, so you can easily afford one. I would but since you obviously can't afford one of your own, I won't. In my world poor = dumb. Dumb people will always waste the money one way or the other.
so in your world; who do you owe vast sums of money to? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:58:00 -
[1400] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Please do explain what I missed then mr Wise as$. the fact that it sets a precedent of CCP giving anything they want, to any one they want, whenever they want, without a word about it. if you don't see the potential issue there then i don't know what to say to you, there's no way to rephrase it with words using less syllables. They didn't give out BPO's man. They gave out painted scorps that isn't worth more than a regular scorp. In fact, even less because they refine into 1 trit. BIG difference. Sure, it was bad that it was done under the radar but, the ships are useless. Do try to realise that. Also try to realise that this doesn't mean that CCP is printing T2 BPO's to shady organizations. Please do remove your tinfoil hat. i see you still can't grasp the issue even though i've clearly explained it to you. tip: nobody gives a **** that blink got scorpions. i mean, ccp could have given goons nyxes and the issue still wouldn't be that goons had nyxes.
And you still can't grasp the fact that CCP can do whatever they want without your permission. If you don't like it; leave. You don't want to cancel your accounts, fine. Then accept the situation and move on. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
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seany1212
Tides of Silence Care Factor
241
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:59:00 -
[1401] - Quote
I'll add another person to the 'I'M AGAINST CCP GIVING SOMER FREE GOLDEN TICKETS' pile.
I do feel on behalf of CCP this is pure favoritism, to create the most expensive EvE gift to date and to give it out to a relatively recent community entity.
EvE has been around for over 10 years and in that time there have been countless community based projects, going off their own back, of which i don't believe have had such a CCP boost as this.
If it's the case that gifts are being handed out to community based projects shouldn't Chribba be given a monumental gift for all his community work all this time? Or the guys at EvE radio? or EOH poker crew?
I'm all for giving community projects rewards but it needs to be an open-to-the-public deal that the public decides on, if it's the community that got that entity to the place where they are now then it should be the community who decides should be rewarded not CCP. If others have been rewarded for their contributions can we not have a blog release to list those too? |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:00:00 -
[1402] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Yea, and I can taste the salt in your tears from half way across the globe.
Can't tell the salt percentage though. Are they super salty or just so-so? I'll answer if you gift me an Ishk Scorpion. I hear they are worthless, so you can easily afford one. I would but since you obviously can't afford one of your own, I won't. In my world poor = dumb. Dumb people will always waste the money one way or the other. so in your world; who do you owe vast sums of money to?
Obviously not to a real life welfare case like yourself.
Whining about a company spawning fictional items in a spaceship game without your permission, crying about that. You are so petty. Get a life bro. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1207
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:01:00 -
[1403] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Game changing amounts of isk? 600 bil? Are you insane? As others have already pointed out, this is enough to replace every ship lost in the last Delve war. I'd call that game-changing.
Quote:I'd completely understand if this was BPO's because people want bpo's. Who, in their right mind buys a Ish Scorp? Prices on those will drop rapidly now that CCP has stated that they will be given out again. Except that at the time CCP spawned these in the game, nobody knew that they're about to become common. At that time, they were worth 20b ISK each. And Somer had enough time to sell them before the price dropped. CCP was artificially increaing their price by witholding information.
Quote:They are only worth isk to collectors, to me, they are garbage. Fine, give me a Leviathan then. They are only worth ISK to caldari titan pilots, to rest they are garbage. |
Kate stark
448
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:02:00 -
[1404] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:And you still can't grasp the fact that CCP can do whatever they want without your permission. If you don't like it; leave. You don't want to cancel your accounts, fine. Then accept the situation and move on.
no, i totally understand that. that doesn't mean we have to accept it, however. it's perfectly reasonable for us to say "wait, that's not right. that shouldn't be happening."
why is every one's response "if you don't like it: leave"?
how about i don't leave, how about i stay, voice my opinion and attempt to make the game better. i don't want to quit, i love eve. put up or shut up is not a solution it's just ******* ********.
if you don't like people trying to improve the game that's fine, don't come in here posting complete crap because you don't understand the situation and then end with "put up or shut" when all we're trying to do is improve the game we love.
we post because we care, and you're just trolling because you're quite frankly ignorant of the situation and clearly don't give a damn. if you don't have anything better to do than troll when we're trying to improve something that we love then i honestly have nothing but pity for you. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1208
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:07:00 -
[1405] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:And you still can't grasp the fact that CCP can do whatever they want without your permission. If you don't like it; leave. You don't want to cancel your accounts, fine. Then accept the situation and move on. However CCP has shown many times that they're willing to change their decisions after player input and discussion. This thread is providing exactly that: players expressing that they're unhappy with the events.
Quitting now would be premature, as we have yet to hear anything official from CCP. We don't know how they will react. For all we know they could reverse this giveaway tomorrow. Quitting without a word is a childish reaction. Being open to discussion, stating our problems and wanting to hear the other side's story is mature. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
187
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:08:00 -
[1406] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Game changing amounts of isk? 600 bil? Are you insane? As others have already pointed out, this is enough to replace every ship lost in the last Delve war. I'd call that game-changing. Quote:I'd completely understand if this was BPO's because people want bpo's. Who, in their right mind buys a Ish Scorp? Prices on those will drop rapidly now that CCP has stated that they will be given out again. Except that at the time CCP spawned these in the game, nobody knew that they're about to become common. At that time, they were worth 20b ISK each. And Somer had enough time to sell them before the price dropped. CCP was artificially increaing their price by witholding information. Quote:They are only worth isk to collectors, to me, they are garbage. Fine, give me a Leviathan then. They are only worth ISK to caldari titan pilots, to rest they are garbage.
Dude, you already destroyed what passed for Mycool's argument when you called his bluff and he bailed. Let the poor pubbie fade away . . .
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:10:00 -
[1407] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote: Fine, give me a Leviathan then. They are only worth ISK to caldari titan pilots, to rest they are garbage.
Big difference. A Leviathan is actually useful, a Scorpion is just a Scorpion.
Also, what do you think would happen if they flooded the market with 30 Ish scorps? It's not like people are buying those that already were available on the market at 14 bil isk. Using that value to describe the item value is wrong because it would take a year to sell all of those at that price. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
213
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:11:00 -
[1408] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:why is every one's response "if you don't like it: leave"?
Because they have been conditioned to never ask any question, to never think. They blindly follow what the guy in (pick your favourit) chasuble, military uniform, white coat, suit and tie... say. That way, they can be endlessly exploited and fooled without ever rebeling. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Kate stark
452
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:11:00 -
[1409] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote: Fine, give me a Leviathan then. They are only worth ISK to caldari titan pilots, to rest they are garbage.
Big difference. A Leviathan is actually useful, a Scorption is just a Scorpion. Also, what do you think would happen if they flooded the market with 30 Ish scorps? It's not like people are buying those on the market at 14 bil isk. Using that value to describe the item value is wrong because it would take a year to sell all of those at that price.
except you can sell the scorpion and purchase things that are useful. not to mention there's no limits on what ccp can spawn to players, and therein is half of the issue and subsequent danger. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:13:00 -
[1410] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:And you still can't grasp the fact that CCP can do whatever they want without your permission. If you don't like it; leave. You don't want to cancel your accounts, fine. Then accept the situation and move on. no, i totally understand that. that doesn't mean we have to accept it, however. it's perfectly reasonable for us to say "wait, that's not right. that shouldn't be happening." why is every one's response "if you don't like it: leave"? how about i don't leave, how about i stay, voice my opinion and attempt to make the game better. i don't want to quit, i love eve. put up or shut up is not a solution it's just ******* ********. if you don't like people trying to improve the game that's fine, don't come in here posting complete crap because you don't understand the situation and then end with "put up or shut" when all we're trying to do is improve the game we love. we post because we care, and you're just trolling because you're quite frankly ignorant of the situation and clearly don't give a damn. if you don't have anything better to do than troll when we're trying to improve something that we love then i honestly have nothing but pity for you.
Dude, I'll contract 5 scorpions to you right now. They're exactly the same as Ishscorps only the paint is slightly different. Would that make you happy? My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
376
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:14:00 -
[1411] - Quote
I think he is stuck in the Somer fanboi rut atm and too blinkered to see past it. |
Kate stark
452
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:15:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:And you still can't grasp the fact that CCP can do whatever they want without your permission. If you don't like it; leave. You don't want to cancel your accounts, fine. Then accept the situation and move on. no, i totally understand that. that doesn't mean we have to accept it, however. it's perfectly reasonable for us to say "wait, that's not right. that shouldn't be happening." why is every one's response "if you don't like it: leave"? how about i don't leave, how about i stay, voice my opinion and attempt to make the game better. i don't want to quit, i love eve. put up or shut up is not a solution it's just ******* ********. if you don't like people trying to improve the game that's fine, don't come in here posting complete crap because you don't understand the situation and then end with "put up or shut" when all we're trying to do is improve the game we love. we post because we care, and you're just trolling because you're quite frankly ignorant of the situation and clearly don't give a damn. if you don't have anything better to do than troll when we're trying to improve something that we love then i honestly have nothing but pity for you. Dude, I'll contract 5 scorpions to you right now. They're exactly the same as Ishscorps only the paint is slightly different. Would that make you happy?
that reply doesn't even make sense but if you want to give me 5 scorpions, go ahead?
you still seem to be unable to grasp the point that the scorpions are irrelevant in this discussion. nobody cares about them, or about blink. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:16:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote: Fine, give me a Leviathan then. They are only worth ISK to caldari titan pilots, to rest they are garbage.
Big difference. A Leviathan is actually useful, a Scorption is just a Scorpion. Also, what do you think would happen if they flooded the market with 30 Ish scorps? It's not like people are buying those on the market at 14 bil isk. Using that value to describe the item value is wrong because it would take a year to sell all of those at that price. except you can sell the scorpion and purchase things that are useful. not to mention there's no limits on what ccp can spawn to players, and therein is half of the issue and subsequent danger.
Copy pasted from my other post:
what do you think would happen if they flooded the market with 30 Ish scorps? It's not like people are buying those that already were available on the market at 14 bil isk. Using that value to describe the item value on each of those 30 Ishscorps is wrong because it would take a year to sell all of those at that price.
Suddenly, those ships would be valued at around 2 bil. Far from what the latest Delve war costed.
Also, 600 bil is pretty weak if you ask me. Do you actually mean to tell me that my total ingame assets are worth 20% of what that war costed in total? I think someone needs to find the trigger. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:19:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Mra Rednu wrote: I think he is stuck in the Somer fanboi rut atm and too blinkered to see past it. i'm not even sure he's a blink fanboy. i think he's just genuinely unable to read.
Far from it. I'd say your tinfoil mentality is just too funny.
Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean they do that on a regular basis.
Get a grip man.
If they actually did that on a regular basis, spawning items of actual value such as T2BPOs and whatnot, then that would be a cause for concern. Spawning 30 Scorpions for Blink is just meh. It's a joke. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2998
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:19:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Just find a new ref.
LOL. How many space-themed sandboxes do you think are out there? I know there's Vendetta but that's about it.
That's excuse making.
You have no constitutional or human right to a "space themed sandbox". CCp isn't enslaving you, making you play EVE. People who say that are trying to justify whining.
If the game (or in this case, game maker) keeps F'ing up, tell them they are (once) and if that doesn't work, move on. At least that's how it would work in a rational world. But in this world, CCP has done the same things over and over (and somehow keeps surprising you people when CCP does the same things over and over) and yet you keep subbing. You are PAYING to be abused.
I'm not. I like EVE and I don't mind that a mostly Icelandic company has strange and different ways than I do, nor did i by into the "expectation" that they will some how play fair with folks beyond allowing access to their game for money. So I'm staying because them giving inferior scorps to someone doesn't matter to me (nor does their secrecy matter to me, I'm a customer, not a stock holder).
But you folks should put up or shut up. |
Kate stark
456
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:19:00 -
[1416] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Copy pasted from my other post:
what do you think would happen if they flooded the market with 30 Ish scorps? It's not like people are buying those that already were available on the market at 14 bil isk. Using that value to describe the item value on each of those 30 Ishscorps is wrong because it would take a year to sell all of those at that price.
Suddenly, those ships would be valued at around 2 bil. Far from what the latest Delve war costed.
Also, 600 bil is pretty weak if you ask me. Do you actually mean to tell me that my total ingame assets are worth 20% of what that war costed in total? I think someone needs to find the trigger.
oh look, you've pasted the same irrelevant comment again. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Kate stark
456
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:19:00 -
[1417] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mra Rednu wrote: I think he is stuck in the Somer fanboi rut atm and too blinkered to see past it. i'm not even sure he's a blink fanboy. i think he's just genuinely unable to read. Far from it. I'd say your tinfoil mentality is just too funny. Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean they do that on a regular basis. Get a grip man.
because CCP have never done it before, correct?
oh and, you're wrong. more than just blink have been recipients of scorpions, which means yes they have done it on a regular basis. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:22:00 -
[1418] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mra Rednu wrote: I think he is stuck in the Somer fanboi rut atm and too blinkered to see past it. i'm not even sure he's a blink fanboy. i think he's just genuinely unable to read. Far from it. I'd say your tinfoil mentality is just too funny. Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean they do that on a regular basis. Get a grip man. because CCP have never done it before, correct?
They did. Doesn't mean it happens everyday. Get a grip. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1209
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:24:00 -
[1419] - Quote
"It's okay officer, I only murdered a man once. It doesn't happen every day." |
Kate stark
456
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:25:00 -
[1420] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mra Rednu wrote: I think he is stuck in the Somer fanboi rut atm and too blinkered to see past it. i'm not even sure he's a blink fanboy. i think he's just genuinely unable to read. Far from it. I'd say your tinfoil mentality is just too funny. Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean they do that on a regular basis. Get a grip man. because CCP have never done it before, correct? They have. Doesn't mean it happens everyday. Get a grip. Petition to get your name changed to Tinfoil King.
let's assume they don't do it every day; the very fact that they have done is more than enough justification for us to have a legitimate concern that it could happen again without it being "tinfoil hattery".
then again you seem fine with that situation so i don't really know why you're still posting other than you'd like to demonstrate how ignorant you are? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
93
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:25:00 -
[1421] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Dude, I'll contract 5 scorpions to you right now. They're exactly the same as Ishscorps only the paint is slightly different. Would that make you happy?
You had actually a look at the market? You can read numbers? Or are you one of these guys, who get their Minerals for free, if you mine them yourself? This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
174
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:26:00 -
[1422] - Quote
This doesn't shock me at all, but it is very disturbing on CCP's part. If they keep this up I really may get to the point where i don't want to play this game anymore. For once it wont be because of the game but its developers. As for SOMER blink I have played it occasionally but I wont be using that site anymore. I'm boycotting and i hope more players will join me in that sentiment. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2998
|
Posted - 2013.10.08 12:28:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Sigh, ok, I'll explain yet another thing I thought should have been obvious.
The reason we haven't stopped playing yet, and that we're continuing to play while at the same time basically shouting "what are you doing, ref! That's mental!" is because... drum roll please... we like our hobby. We like our little just-for-fun past time. Our default position is that we want to keep doing it. So when the ref makes a mental call, we don't immediately quit the thing we like doing forever - now THAT would be childish - we continue playing, but call the ref out for an obvious mistake, in the hopes that he'll realise it was wrong and to the detriment of this little hobby that we all play for fun
And that, brother, is entitlement thinking. it's why i've had to break up fights at play grounds and street basketball pick up games. Those peopel liek their hobby to, but if it aion't working, it ain't working.
This isn't an isolated incident. This has happened over and over and over again in one form or another. It will happen again and again because CCP is CCP and you lot complain rather than speak with the only language a business understands, money.
Quote: The fact that you have repeatedly called people childish is why I pondered the possibility of trolling. How can you talk about maturity, what is worthy of an intelligent discussion, when all of your posts are laced with ad hominem and implications that you're smarter and better than everyone else? That reeks of trolling, mate
That's you reading into it (and if you think I'm implying that I'm smarter than you, it means that somewhere deep down, thats what YOU think).
I'm simply calling it like I see it. Rubbish.
It's like how people talk about what CCP is doing with "my" money when talking about DUST or some other thing. It's not your money anymore. if CCP wants to blow it all on hookers and booze in Amsterdam one day, that's their right.
Well, same here, If CCP whats to hand somer blink or anyone else 50 Jovian Navy Machariels, it's none of my business, nor is it yours. If it still bothers you, you should man up and leave.
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Kate stark
460
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:29:00 -
[1424] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Dude, I'll contract 5 scorpions to you right now. They're exactly the same as Ishscorps only the paint is slightly different. Would that make you happy? You had actually a look at the market? You can read numbers? Or are you one of these guys, who get their Minerals for free, if you mine them yourself?
on the bright side, the 5 scorpions he will give me will be worth more than the sum total of the 30 blink received because normal scorpions refine to more than 30 trit last time i checked! Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
232
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:35:00 -
[1425] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Far from it. I'd say your tinfoil mentality is just too funny.
Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean they do that on a regular basis.
Get a grip man.
"Just because the politicians stole our taxes, doesn't mean they do it on a regular basis. Get a grip guys! Shut up or get out you whiners!" Some funny guys in here. Keep going. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:40:00 -
[1426] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:
then again you seem fine with that situation so i don't really know why you're still posting other than you'd like to demonstrate how ignorant you are?
If you think the leadership of CCP would actually consider giving out T2BPO's in secret again after the T20 scandal not only are you the actual King of Tinfoil but you're probably insane as well.
30 People who have greatly contributed to the EVE community got some free painted Scorpions. Boo ******* hoo.
Next time it will be Chribba, oh wait, im pretty sure he already got tons of stuff.
Accept that hard work pays off. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1400
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:41:00 -
[1427] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn
And you still can't grasp the fact that CCP can do whatever they want without your permission. If you don't like it; leave. You don't want to cancel your accounts, fine. Then accept the situation and move on.
You seem to have a very limited understanding of the issue this threadnaught is about, but your tough guy - deal with it - posting just makes you seem so adorably cute and cuddly. This is not a signature. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp The Kadeshi
212
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:41:00 -
[1428] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:...Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean... ...they should.
CCP can give anyone or any group what ever they want, but why do it in silence?
Awards/rewards are give in the open, unless there is something to hide/fear.
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
94
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:43:00 -
[1429] - Quote
@Jenn aSide
Only to be sure. If I-¦m dissatisfied with something, all I can do is GTFO? It is not allowed to me to point the issue, so it could be worked on to get solved? This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:50:00 -
[1430] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Mycool Jahksn
You seem to have a very limited understanding of the issue this threadnaught is about, but your tough guy - deal with it - posting just makes you seem so adorably cute and cuddly.
Your tears taste soo good. Bring moar! My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:53:00 -
[1431] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:...Just because they can spawn items in silence to anyone without anyone knowing doesn't actually mean... ...they should. CCP can give anyone or any group what ever they want, but why do it in silence? Awards/rewards are give in the open, unless there is something to hide/fear.
CCP fears what the Knights of Justice, you, will stir up because someone got rewarded for their hard work.
This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. Just like it did with the Golden Magnate issue, only difference is that anyone could win those and a threadnought still happened.
People in EVE are so petty and narrow minded it's insane. I for one am happy that people get rewarded for their hard work.
It's the negativity of the community that is leading this game into the Abyss. No joy is ever to be had, ever. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
95
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:55:00 -
[1432] - Quote
[ ] Mycool Jahksn got the point This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
Kate stark
465
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:56:00 -
[1433] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:58:00 -
[1434] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope.
Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2998
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:01:00 -
[1435] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:@Jenn aSide
Only to be sure. If I-¦m dissatisfied with something, all I can do is GTFO? It is not allowed to me to point the issue, so it could be worked on to get solved?
After years of the same thing? Yes.
In another thread (or maybe this one) a dude used an analogy about marriage, basically saying "What, should I just up and leave and get divorced if we disagree?". My answer is yes, because once you've caught your spouse cheating, that's one thing, but when it happens OVER and OVER again with different people, you're staying makes you nothing more than a fool.
I've lost count how many times the same people have exploded in anger over something CCP did.
You know why CCP was confident enough to say" we"ll worry about what they DO instead of what they SAY" during incarna/monocle gate?
Answer, YEARS of community responses like this. Massive threadnaughts backed up by next to zero action because the participants care enough to complain or shoot digital monuments, but not enough to stop giving the game maker money.
i think this reaction is silly, but if I didn't, I'd back up my words with action. Some people claim to be unsubbing, but the real truth is they aren't or they'll be back shortly, because all this blather is just that, blather.
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Kate stark
465
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:03:00 -
[1436] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are.
stop being so tinfoil hat, it's hilarious and your tears are delicious. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:04:00 -
[1437] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are. The only one stupid in this thread is you! Keep up the **** posting and proving how completely moronic you are! At least this thread is entertaining again! |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2998
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:04:00 -
[1438] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
It's the negativity of the community that is leading this game into the Abyss. No joy is ever to be had, ever.
Now adays when I think of the eve community, This comedian comes to mind.
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
377
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:05:00 -
[1439] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
If you think the leadership of CCP would actually consider giving out T2BPO's in secret again after the T20 scandal not only are you the actual King of Tinfoil but you're probably insane as well.
30 People who have greatly contributed to the EVE community got some free painted Scorpions. Boo ******* hoo.
Next time it will be Chribba, oh wait, im pretty sure he already got tons of stuff.
Accept that hard work pays off.
Maybe you should understand the T20 scandal before using it in this context.
How have they greatly contrbuted to the Eve community ?
Got a link of Chribba getting his tons of stuff ?
Hard work does pay off, Somer's corp gets a buttload of isk off other people through running a lottery, the content they provide is basically encouraging people to buy a plex and put the isk from that plex right into Somer's own wallet.
Sponsorship of events is not creating content unless they actually organise they whole thing it is marketing and advertising money.
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Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:06:00 -
[1440] - Quote
I'm formerly tendering my request for BNI to be given 30 of these ships as well, for the purpose of us laughing whilst losing them in a rain of fire. Just think of the service we provide the community, not only do we give a mumble for spys to hang out in, we also provide valuable cannon fodder in lowsec or null. Alongside this, we take anybody we can find and have half the trial accounts in the game currently enrolled.
as a tertiary role, we are a repository of extra cash given away as pointless war-decs.
So CCP, Where are our special edition battleships?
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
562
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:07:00 -
[1441] - Quote
We can as a last resort give EVE online the "santorum" treatment. For those that don't know that's where we create a webpage highlighting the dev misdeeds and outline why people who believe in fairplay and integrity should avoid playing the game and we google bomb it to the top of the search ratings. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:07:00 -
[1442] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are. stop being so tinfoil hat, it's hilarious and your tears are delicious.
When I prove you wrong, you make a U turn and ignore my post? You're pathetic. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kate stark
466
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:07:00 -
[1443] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:
It's the negativity of the community that is leading this game into the Abyss. No joy is ever to be had, ever.
Now adays when I think of the eve community, This comedian comes to mind. that's hilarious. brilliant. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Kate stark
466
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:08:00 -
[1444] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are. stop being so tinfoil hat, it's hilarious and your tears are delicious. When I prove you wrong, you make a U turn and ignore my post? You're pathetic.
ignore the entire point; nobody really cares. ignore one post; he gets upset.
you didn't prove me wrong, and i didn't make a U turn. i just made a flippant comment because you've contributed nothing to the discussion as you're unaware of the topic. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
95
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:08:00 -
[1445] - Quote
Oswald Bolke wrote:I'm formerly tendering my request for BNI to be given 30 of these ships as well, for the purpose of us laughing whilst losing them in a rain of fire. Just think of the service we provide the community, not only do we give a mumble for spys to hang out in, we also provide valuable cannon fodder in lowsec or null. Alongside this, we take anybody we can find and have half the trial accounts in the game currently enrolled.
as a tertiary role, we are a repository of extra cash given away as pointless war-decs.
So CCP, Where are our special edition battleships?
You know your problem? I will tell you: Not enough GTC-Sales... This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:08:00 -
[1446] - Quote
Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are. The only one stupid in this thread is you! Keep up the **** posting and proving how completely moronic you are! At least this thread is entertaining again!
K m8. You da man. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:12:00 -
[1447] - Quote
Kate stark wrote: you didn't prove me wrong, and i didn't make a U turn. i just made a flippant comment because you've contributed nothing to the discussion as you're unaware of the topic.
Upset? Far from it. I'm enjoying my rl life, watching how pathetic welfare rl set-sail-for-fail guys whine about how some company spawned some ships and everything was so unfair because they did it behind closed doors and whatnot.
Boo hoo dude. Get a life. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
325
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:14:00 -
[1448] - Quote
Mycool, where's my worthless Ishk Scorpion? |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp The Kadeshi
214
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:14:00 -
[1449] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote: CCP fears what the Knights of Justice, you, will stir up because someone got rewarded for their hard work.
This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. Just like it did with the Golden Magnate issue, only difference is that anyone could win those and a threadnought still happened.
People in EVE are so petty and narrow minded it's insane. I for one am happy that people get rewarded for their hard work.
It's the negativity of the community that is leading this game into the Abyss. No joy is ever to be had, ever.
Me a member of the Knight of Justice?!?!? When do I get my member card?
Should the members of Somer get a free ship based on the hard work... I don't know. I am not in a position to decide nor does it directly effect me. CCP gives out a lot of stuff.
That CCP felt that Somer employees deserved this, while members of EVE University, RvB, etc did not... is their choice. But it doesn't seem to be a choice they were comfortable with... otherwise why keep it secret? If you need to hide what you are doing... you probably shouldn't be doing it.
There seems to be a disconnect at CCP.
tl:dr
My opinion. The process of giving things away is not the best.
signed
Knight of Justice |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:16:00 -
[1450] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote: you didn't prove me wrong, and i didn't make a U turn. i just made a flippant comment because you've contributed nothing to the discussion as you're unaware of the topic.
Upset? Far from it. I'm enjoying my rl life, watching how pathetic welfare rl set-sail-for-fail guys whine about how some company spawned some ships and everything was so unfair because they did it behind closed doors and whatnot. Boo hoo dude. Get a life.
Your grammar, logic and disposition scream successful and well to do.
Since your in game items have no value then hand them over to me and prove it. Whats that you say? No? Ah yeah, stfu. |
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Kate stark
466
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:17:00 -
[1451] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote: you didn't prove me wrong, and i didn't make a U turn. i just made a flippant comment because you've contributed nothing to the discussion as you're unaware of the topic.
Upset? Far from it. I'm enjoying my rl life, watching how pathetic welfare rl set-sail-for-fail guys whine about how some company spawned some ships and everything was so unfair because they did it behind closed doors and whatnot. Boo hoo dude. Get a life.
enjoying life so much you'd rather troll the EVE forum, in the middle of a week day?
seems you're the one that's in need of a life, but don't let me stop you demonstrating how great your life is. also i love the demonstration of insecurity that you feel the need to point out how great your life is even though that, too, isn't the topic of discussion.
i still pity you. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:17:00 -
[1452] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This threadnought would have happened anyway even if it happened in the open and you know it. nope. Yes it would have happened. Saying no after what happened with the Golden Magnate issue only proves how incredibly stupid you are. The only one stupid in this thread is you! Keep up the **** posting and proving how completely moronic you are! At least this thread is entertaining again! K m8. You da man. Better then being a child with a superiority complex. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:32:00 -
[1453] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote: you didn't prove me wrong, and i didn't make a U turn. i just made a flippant comment because you've contributed nothing to the discussion as you're unaware of the topic.
Upset? Far from it. I'm enjoying my rl life, watching how pathetic welfare rl set-sail-for-fail guys whine about how some company spawned some ships and everything was so unfair because they did it behind closed doors and whatnot. Boo hoo dude. Get a life. enjoying life so much you'd rather troll the EVE forum, in the middle of a week day? seems you're the one that's in need of a life, but don't let me stop you demonstrating how great your life is. also i love the demonstration of insecurity that you feel the need to point out how great your life is even though that, too, isn't the topic of discussion. i still pity you.
I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings.
I choose when I work, and no, English is not my first language but if your way of dealing with people is to suggest they're stupid because they dont have a masters degree in English then that's your call Einstein. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kate stark
469
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:36:00 -
[1454] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings.
I choose when I work, and no, English is not my first language but if your way of dealing with people is to suggest they're stupid because they dont have a masters degree in English then that's your call Einstein.
i'm just curious; what has made you so insecure? you seem to keep trying to justify things that are irrelevant to the thread.
actually, don't answer that. i don't care. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:39:00 -
[1455] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote: you didn't prove me wrong, and i didn't make a U turn. i just made a flippant comment because you've contributed nothing to the discussion as you're unaware of the topic.
Upset? Far from it. I'm enjoying my rl life, watching how pathetic welfare rl set-sail-for-fail guys whine about how some company spawned some ships and everything was so unfair because they did it behind closed doors and whatnot. Boo hoo dude. Get a life. enjoying life so much you'd rather troll the EVE forum, in the middle of a week day? seems you're the one that's in need of a life, but don't let me stop you demonstrating how great your life is. also i love the demonstration of insecurity that you feel the need to point out how great your life is even though that, too, isn't the topic of discussion. i still pity you. I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings. I choose when I work, and no, English is not my first language but if your way of dealing with people is to suggest they're stupid because they dont have a masters degree in English then that's your call Einstein.
Please prove it. Because quite frankly I put you through observation at the bottom of the education and income scale.
You said you could, do so.
Hell lets start with the basics. Post your api information in EVE online on Chribbas site, like I did, and lets see how your character stacks up. Certainly someone with great assets has tons of free income to buy isk and a real nice character as well.
I think the real issue is your real life sucks, youre aggravated, you suck in game and you troll the forums to find some meaning in your otherwise mediocre existence, both in game and real life.
Lmao at choose when you work. I think its more like you choose not to work and sit on the couch all day. Because no one of your temperament is running their own business. You don't even have the common sense to stop pissing off another businesses customers. Do you really think CCP wants you trolling their irate playerbase and telling them to "F" off? Silly street urchin. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
325
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:42:00 -
[1456] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote: I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings.
hahaha
dude why are you so passionate over something you don't care about?
edit: I'm still waiting for delivery of my worthless Ishukone Scorpion. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:44:00 -
[1457] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings.
I choose when I work, and no, English is not my first language but if your way of dealing with people is to suggest they're stupid because they dont have a masters degree in English then that's your call Einstein. i'm just curious; what has made you so insecure? you seem to keep trying to justify things that are irrelevant to the thread. actually, don't answer that. i don't care.
Insecure? You are the grown man, whining about how someone got some painted spaceships under the table.
How is that anything worth crying about? Don't you have more important things in your life to care about? My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kate stark
470
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:47:00 -
[1458] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings.
I choose when I work, and no, English is not my first language but if your way of dealing with people is to suggest they're stupid because they dont have a masters degree in English then that's your call Einstein. i'm just curious; what has made you so insecure? you seem to keep trying to justify things that are irrelevant to the thread. actually, don't answer that. i don't care. Insecure? You are the grown man, whining about how someone got some painted spaceships under the table. How is that anything worth crying about? Don't you have more important things in your life to care about?
yes, insecure. as demonstrated by your need to continually point out how great your life is even though it's completely irrelevant and nobody cares.
you know what'd be really great? if you could take 5 seconds to actually understand the issue being discussed not the issue you want to be discussed.
i wouldn't know how it's worth crying about since that's not what we're discussing (as we've told you several times).
the sum total of your contribution is a fundamental understanding of the issue being discussed and your insecurity forcing you to continually try and justify how great your life is (even though none of us care, because it's irrelevant) and projecting. stop posting, save yourself the embarrassment. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
565
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:47:00 -
[1459] - Quote
@Mycool And yet you're lecturing someone who isn't going to listen to a single word youre saying tothem wasting their life? You didn't even finish high school. |
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
100
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:48:00 -
[1460] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: I've lost count how many times the same people have exploded in anger over something CCP did.
You know why CCP was confident enough to say" we"ll worry about what they DO instead of what they SAY" during incarna/monocle gate?
Answer, YEARS of community responses like this. Massive threadnaughts backed up by next to zero action because the participants care enough to complain or shoot digital monuments, but not enough to stop giving the game maker money.
i think this reaction is silly, but if I didn't, I'd back up my words with action. Some people claim to be unsubbing, but the real truth is they aren't or they'll be back shortly, because all this blather is just that, blather.
There are a lot things I don't like about Eve. Thats been true of every game I played. If everyone stopped playing a game at the first sign of something they don't like showing up, no one would be playing games ever.
As you said over and over, Eve is just a game. As a game, the tolerance level for things not working the way people like can be fairly high. After all it is just a game. While people might complain about how things work in the game, those things don't always rise to the level of being a deal breaker. People complain with the hope of changing what they don't like. Sometimes those complaints work and the game changes. Other times complaints are ignored.
If complaints are ignored, people adapt and move on. It is often not a big enough issue to quit the game over. While I don't like the favoritism shown with these gifts, at this point it isn't bad enough for me to quit over it. CCP might continue to hand out gifts to people it likes. At some point, that favoritism will reach a tipping point and people will unsub in large numbers. We aren't to that point yet. People are complaining to prevent reaching that level. |
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:54:00 -
[1461] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I could post screens of my bank account, my gf, my house and my car and make you feel incredibly useless but I'll spare you those feelings.
I choose when I work, and no, English is not my first language but if your way of dealing with people is to suggest they're stupid because they dont have a masters degree in English then that's your call Einstein. i'm just curious; what has made you so insecure? you seem to keep trying to justify things that are irrelevant to the thread. actually, don't answer that. i don't care. Insecure? You are the grown man, whining about how someone got some painted spaceships under the table. How is that anything worth crying about? Don't you have more important things in your life to care about? yes, insecure. as demonstrated by your need to continually point out how great your life is even though it's completely irrelevant and nobody cares. you know what'd be really great? if you could take 5 seconds to actually understand the issue being discussed not the issue you want to be discussed. i wouldn't know how it's worth crying about since that's not what we're discussing (as we've told you several times). the sum total of your contribution is a fundamental understanding of the issue being discussed and your insecurity forcing you to continually try and justify how great your life is (even though none of us care, because it's irrelevant) and projecting. stop posting, save yourself the embarrassment.
I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1213
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:00:00 -
[1462] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
Yes, that is in fact what we care about.
See: this thread. |
Hobgo Togenada
Tinfoil Hat Club
11
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:02:00 -
[1463] - Quote
Ladies and Gentlemen!
Boys and Girls!
Sociopaths of all ages!
I'd like to announce that "Tinfoil Hat Club" is officially accepting any and all applications!
The only prerequisite is that you bring your own tinfoil!
We also have a special corner for those VERY special people who think its cool to have a name that resembles Basketball stars! Feel like spreading "false" rumors? Trolling random alts? Then "TINFOIL HAT CLUB" is for you! Apply today and spread the "truth."
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Kate stark
471
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:12:00 -
[1464] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that?
actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1264
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:15:00 -
[1465] - Quote
Hobgo Togenada wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen!
Boys and Girls!
Sociopaths of all ages!
I'd like to announce that "Tinfoil Hat Club" is officially accepting any and all applications!
The only prerequisite is that you bring your own tinfoil!
We also have a special corner for those VERY special people who think its cool to have a name that resembles Basketball stars!
If it's an unique tinfoil hat then I need one right now !! *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Hobgo Togenada
Tinfoil Hat Club
11
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:17:00 -
[1466] - Quote
APPLY TODAY! Feel like spreading "false" rumors? Trolling random alts? Then "TINFOIL HAT CLUB" is for you! Apply today and spread the "truth."
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:18:00 -
[1467] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that? actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing.
I was under the impression that the topic of this thread is CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions.
Interesting that it's not the topic you're discussing when it's the topic we're discussing. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
516
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:18:00 -
[1468] - Quote
A wee birdie suggested the other day that the letters "CCP" are an abbreviation for "Contentious Company Principles".
Not sure if true or whether to believe. Concord Approved Trader |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1267
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:19:00 -
[1469] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that? actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing. I was under the impression that the topic of this thread is CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions. Interesting that it's not the topic you're discussing when it's the topic we're discussing.
The moment you don't agree or your arguments don't serve the propaganda purpose it's not the subject of this discussion.
End of the line *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4790
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:21:00 -
[1470] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that? actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing. I was under the impression that the topic of this thread is CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions. Interesting that it's not the topic you're discussing when it's the topic we're discussing. The moment you don't agree or your arguments don't serve the propaganda purpose it's not the subject of this discussion. End of the line Why isn't this thread locked, there's already one with ccp's statement of 1 trit, isn't there? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Kate stark
473
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:22:00 -
[1471] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that? actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing. I was under the impression that the topic of this thread is CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions. Interesting that it's not the topic you're discussing when it's the topic we're discussing.
that's because you didn't actually read the thread before posting. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1267
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:23:00 -
[1472] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Why isn't this thread locked, there's already one with ccp's statement of 1 trit, isn't there?
Because they don't waste time reading it or give a crap about it? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kate stark
473
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:23:00 -
[1473] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: Why isn't this thread locked, there's already one with ccp's statement of 1 trit, isn't there?
no that comment was made to some website i've never heard of until some one pasted the article. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:27:00 -
[1474] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that? actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing. I was under the impression that the topic of this thread is CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions. Interesting that it's not the topic you're discussing when it's the topic we're discussing. that's because you didn't actually read the thread before posting.
Discussing the topic of the thread is enough to be ontopic without having to read through the entire post. Not everyone here has an infinite amount of time available on a weekday such as yourself. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
327
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:27:00 -
[1475] - Quote
The only way out for CCP is for them to pump out Ishukone Scorpions until their market value plumments to something relatively trivial like 500m isk. And do it plenty fast. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4790
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:28:00 -
[1476] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Why isn't this thread locked, there's already one with ccp's statement of 1 trit, isn't there? Because they don't waste time reading it or give a crap about it? No that's the point.
Take a look at the ToS changes where "that one thread" was closed with a new one opened a few times. That bait and switch left like 100 pages of stuff in several locked threads.
Just this one is 74 pages that can be sent to the bottom of the sea. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kate stark
480
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:36:00 -
[1477] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:I pointed that out because that's what really matters. If CCP is giving out free **** then thats their call. It's really unimportant on the grand scale, something you fail to grasp because the fact that CCP may or may not be giving out stuff under the radar is all you care about.
if it matters, why don't you make a thread about it, instead of posting in a thread that isn't about that? actually we completely grasp that ccp giving out free **** is unimportant; that's why that's not the topic we're discussing. I was under the impression that the topic of this thread is CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions. Interesting that it's not the topic you're discussing when it's the topic we're discussing. that's because you didn't actually read the thread before posting. Discussing the topic of the thread is enough to be ontopic without having to read through the entire post. Not everyone here has an infinite amount of time available on a weekday such as yourself.
except you've yet to discuss the topic, you've merely been showing your insecurities and boasting about some life that you think you lead that none of us have the faintest interest in.
also i don't have an infinite amount of time. i have 24hrs the same as every one else. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
69
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:38:00 -
[1478] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:The only way out for CCP is for them to pump out Ishukone Scorpions until their market value plumments to something relatively trivial like 500m isk. And do it plenty fast. or they could just take back the 30 they magic'ed, along with any profits from their sale, apologize to the playerbase, and publically censure ccp navigator. but that would require integrity |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
793
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:40:00 -
[1479] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:The only way out for CCP is for them to pump out Ishukone Scorpions until their market value plumments to something relatively trivial like 500m isk. And do it plenty fast. or they could just take back the 30 they magic'ed, along with any profits from their sale, apologize to the playerbase, and publically censure ccp navigator. but that would require integrity this would be plain stupid: some whiners will decide their whine actually matters |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3002
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:42:00 -
[1480] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:The only way out for CCP is for them to pump out Ishukone Scorpions until their market value plumments to something relatively trivial like 500m isk. And do it plenty fast. or they could just take back the 30 they magic'ed, along with any profits from their sale, apologize to the playerbase, and publically censure ccp navigator. but that would require integrity this would be plain stupid: some whiners will decide their whine actually matters
What the honest %^&* is going on here? I just clicked like on a March Rabbit post.
YOU SEE WHAT YOU DID CCP, NEXT THING YOU KNOW WE'LL BE DIVIDING BY ZERO, THEN WERE ALL SCREWED!
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:44:00 -
[1481] - Quote
Kate stark wrote: also i don't have an infinite amount of time. i have 24hrs the same as every one else.
Yea, but not everyone spends those 24h in EVE or on the forums, that's the big difference between you and me.
My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4795
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:59:00 -
[1482] - Quote
Obviously the next set of anniversary collectors giveaway will include one "Refined Ishkone Watch Scorpion" special edition item
It uses the tritanium icon.
Because haha, look at you players. You're stupid kids There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2849
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:06:00 -
[1483] - Quote
I just deleted several pages from the end of this thread due to two individuals bickering back and forth and I now see that it extends even further back with even semi-rational discussion of this issue having long since vanished. I ask that players use one of the following threads to continue discussion of the issue and to please keep such discussions civil:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
223
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:18:00 -
[1484] - Quote
tl:dr; version...
CCP promoting fan sites or community members without directly giving them in-game assets == cool Doing same with in-game assets <>= cool
Long version....
There is no amount of criteria CCP could develop that would make the community happy re: handing out of in-game assets, because people will always ***** they didn't get a piece of the pie, or a shot at getting some pie...
Note I said 'handing out', instead of 'winning' -- as I am sure we all can agree winning special assets through mechanisms like tournaments is cool, because everyone theoretically have an equal shot at getting them, by joining an alliance that fields tourney teams, taking part, etc.
CCP has a decision to make re: the purity of the free-market system game assets are built and exchanged under. Ultimately if you have Tzars giving out freebies to politically-connected people like in pre-collapse Russia (or Obama's new Amerika), you are going down a slippery slope that can lead to customer perception problems like what has arisen here.
In short, CCP can promote community builders and members that contribute above-and-beyond to the health and growth of EvE online without handing out actual in-game assets. They can be spotlighted on the main EvE site, given tickets to EvE community events, etc etc -- all that normal marketing stuff marketting people do, without messing with in-game assets. So why go there?
A moratorium on handing out of any in-game assets should be put in place, and rewards or support to EvE community builders done purely as a marketing budget exercise devoid of actual in-game assets.
Win/Win. Marketing separated from Market. No more drama. Done.
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