Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 .. 50 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 6 post(s) |
Grey Stormshadow
Fistful of Finns Game Over.
1606
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:36:00 -
[181] - Quote
Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't.
Get |
Disdaine
425
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:44:00 -
[182] - Quote
What a dik move. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
905
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:45:00 -
[183] - Quote
Someone must be fired, and fast!!! Unbelievable!! The Tears Must Flow |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2410
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:45:00 -
[184] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps.
It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Igor Nappi
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:46:00 -
[185] - Quote
Why doesn't CCP just hand Somer Blink a PLEX BPO and be done with it? |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3090
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:50:00 -
[186] - Quote
This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Like any honest politician, "My door is always open, and my hand is always out" |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2410
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:51:00 -
[187] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. hi5 changed signature buddy CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
163
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:51:00 -
[188] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.
The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.
This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.
It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.
As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.
What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.
And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinary (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.
Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.
As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.
Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner.
This is very well thought out and well put, CCP should take heed.
|
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21547
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:52:00 -
[189] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:What a dik move. ...and that's pretty much all one can say about that whole affair, everything else is just moot. CCP does what they deem right, you can agree with them or disagree, but in the end, all you do is paying them money to play their game... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Kate stark
288
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:54:00 -
[190] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps. It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others.
i don't really see an issue with ccp giving blink prizes to raffle off or whatever; i think it's an interesting way to get things out to the community.
however from what i can tell these scorpions weren't given to them as raffle prizes but rather as a "hey buddy, have something nobody else has because you're our favourites" and that is, in my opinion, wrong.
unless i'm missing something here. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
|
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
78
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 10:58:00 -
[191] - Quote
What if CCP has no ideea about the recent... hmh....adventures () of CCP Navigator? I really really would LMFAO. But would be not a single moment surprised. |
Kate stark
289
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:00:00 -
[192] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote:What if CCP has no ideea about the recent... hmh....adventures ( ) of CCP Navigator? I really really would LMFAO. But would be not a single moment surprised.
sacrifice the individual to protect the masses.
:tinfoil: Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
52
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:01:00 -
[193] - Quote
Am I one of the few people who doesn't mind this at all D: |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
335
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:06:00 -
[194] - Quote
There are tons of CCP employees recruited from the community that where sponsored by somer when they still where eve players. It looks like now that they are in a position inside CCP with more control over the game, they thought it would be a good idea to just spawn some assets for their old friends..
This is in no way different that the T20 incident no mater how hard you try CCP. I think you have a separate team with the task to prevent this from happening again. Where are they, all in vacation?
You don't take the Eve sandbox serious do you? You are still under the impression you can do with it as you please and your customers will swallow it. It seams you learned nothing in the past. How sad.. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:15:00 -
[195] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:unless i'm missing something here.
Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.
|
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21547
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:16:00 -
[196] - Quote
...and it works, obviously. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
FluffyDice
Kronos Research Space Wolves Alliance
574
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:17:00 -
[197] - Quote
To celebrate my unhappiness with CCP I'm quitting the game. After I blink all of my isk away... |
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
23
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:17:00 -
[198] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:Kate stark wrote:unless i'm missing something here. Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.
I could live with this if the Ishukone Scorpion would follow the same rules as highsec capitals. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
218
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:19:00 -
[199] - Quote
Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote:I could live with this if the Ishukone Scorpion would follow the same rules as highsec capitals.
You've been living with it since slightly before last year's fanfest, when they started handing these things out like candy.
You just didn't have a shiptoast forum campaign to tell you about it then. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
150
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:22:00 -
[200] - Quote
i hope ppl will stop support somer, this is just plain stupid
First time i say on forums about ccp in 7 years but:
CCP THIS IS A ******** MOVE! The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
|
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2413
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:23:00 -
[201] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps. It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others. i don't really see an issue with ccp giving blink prizes to raffle off or whatever; i think it's an interesting way to get things out to the community. however from what i can tell these scorpions weren't given to them as raffle prizes but rather as a "hey buddy, have something nobody else has because you're our favourites" and that is, in my opinion, wrong. unless i'm missing something here.
1. The lottery prizes were given out with no oversight whatsoever and accompanied by CCP staff posting vouches for Somer's trustworthiness that they had no way of verifying or enforcing.
2. Somer is a business, not a charity. 'Giving Somer prizes to raffle off' still resulted in a massive upsurge of revenue to Somer from increased player interest. Some of that traffic will inevitably have been taken from other competing lottery providers. For CCP to be picking winners and losers for player driven events and businesses ("We're going to make Somer more money this week at the expense of their competitors, just because we can!") is an unacceptable intrusion into the sandbox.
3. We now see that Somer has apparently been chosen as CCP's favourites for valuable giveaways on two occasions in quick succession. Once was bad enough but could conceivably be explained away as a genuine lapse in judgement. But for them to be singled out for special treatment twice? That stinks. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
542
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:24:00 -
[202] - Quote
RIP what's left of the Jita 4-4 Monument. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1086
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:25:00 -
[203] - Quote
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:Am I one of the few people who doesn't mind this at all D:
Maybe because you're like this guy: http://imgur.com/gallery/9MV4Yl7
Getting close there myself.
Also: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNHdUclCMAAGcB_.jpg |
Jove Death
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
94
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:26:00 -
[204] - Quote
A while back you accidently dropped a 50 bpo container in BoB Space
With that in mind this was ages ago but recently CCP have you actually gone mad?
Firstly you drop your guard and 2 chars kill a ship that has an enigma in it. Because you actually screwed up you took it back by only offering 1 plex to each of the chars involved. In other words they could not keep the item and something must have been threatened as if it was me i would not have let you have it for less than 300 bill.
Secondly you hire mintchip
Thirdly you hire some EA nub
Then one of your best staff leave and now this?.
What da heck is going on.
If were going down that road can you drop a jove bs in my hangar please .
ta
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
|
E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
51
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:29:00 -
[205] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court
While CCP can give anyone anything they like in the game, this doesn't mean its good for the game. Giving every account something is OK (as long is it happens rarely - otherwise it affects the economy of the sandbox) as no one is favored. Handig valuable items to a group of individuals is not OK. Neither publically nor privately. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:30:00 -
[206] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote: Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.
Wow, you're totally right, in no way did Sun Win clearly state in the article:
Sun Win wrote: The special edition battleships are not available to manufacture and are rarely given out by CCP. Eighty-one were given away at FanFest as part of the Charity Poker Tournament and PvP Tournament and added to the game as part of the Odyssey expansion. Another was given out as part of a role-playing event and SOMER Blink was given ten to use as rewards. To date, there have been no other public giveaways of the ship, meaning that SOMER Blink employees' private rewards may account for a quarter of the Scorpions Ishukone Watch in the game. The ships tend to sell for 10-20 billion ISK meaning that the gift was worth 300-600 billion ISK.
Ohh, wait, it almost looks as if the author clearly stated how many had been given away in the past.
|
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
78
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:31:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lugalbandak wrote:i hope ppl will stop support somer, this is just plain stupid
First time i say on forums about ccp in 7 years but:
CCP THIS IS A MONGOLOID MOVE! Or just a offensive move?
|
Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
25
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:33:00 -
[208] - Quote
Here are the problems for me as a new players:
1: Favoring Somer with prizes that people who didn't blink couldn't win therefore cutting out most of the player base.
2: Favoring Somer with rare prizes while ignoring all the many groups that actually create fun and content. More people would be angry if they gave these ships to James315 because at least he gives me enjoyable tears to read for no payment.
3: Favoring Somer with more rare prizes for starting an ingame business that makes them billions of isk. Should the most successful scammer also get his isk doubled?
4: CCP giving players stuff in secret because they know it is wrong.
5: CCP starting their "community outreach" with an old friend that some of them used to work for. That just looks bad.
6: CSM for being mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed on bull****. I have heard of the T20 scandal that gave rise to them and they are supposed to stop this. I even took time to vote without having to be ordered by my nulsec block. More fool me. |
Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
176
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:33:00 -
[209] - Quote
Who gives a flying ****, its not like its something that unique, they are just some pretty ships for a bunch of guys that provide a fantastic service.
Do you think other people haven't got stuff for service the community?
Jesus you are all drama llamas!
Get over it. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
463
|
Posted - 2013.10.05 11:34:00 -
[210] - Quote
I don't think CCP has a right to be giving out rewards to players for out of game or in game stuff, at least not with consequences.
So far this month, they gave in game items to Somer Blink, worth trillions, to generate a massive profit, they dropped half a trillion isk worth of items to one specific alliance (sure it was advertised as an event) but any one that actually turned up to PL's home system would have been vaporized, only have to watch the vid of it to see that. Now they're spawning otherwise rare and unobtainable ships for Somer again (well prior to the gifting of the unique ships).
People might say who cares, but just like PL's loot, which was converted into isk, since it was all sold to one person, these ships likely will be converted into isk too and then used for what? Half a trillion isk buys a lot of ships, so anyone fighting PL will now have to pit their properly earned assets against some assets that were spawned by the developers and gifted.
Who knows what alliance Somer is connected with, but the odds are those trillions of iskies will be used to kill someone who actually earned their isk. How do you win wars against magically spawned trillions when you have to actually earn your own isk the proper way?
Its bullshite.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 .. 50 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |