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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1710
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:53:00 -
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As 4 months have past what is your view on the loot spew mechinac.
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Batelle
RisingSuns
219
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Posted - 2013.10.21 14:53:00 -
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I just tried loot spew for the first time this week and I think its awful. It also seems a bit silly that of the 5 types of containers, only 1-2 of the types ever have anything worth going for. Its interesting that they made use of the cargo scanner, but really, the whole thing is just insult to injury. If we beat the damn minigame, then just give us the bacon already! The fact that ship agility plays a role, and you can't see what type a container is without mousing over it first are just stupid. Lastly, you're double clicking on stuff to get your ship to approach, yet often your ship gets hung up on the damn structure! Is there some way to tell which side the loot spew will come from?
There's no OTHER reason to bring a second character in besides the loot spew either. I think CCP got a little overzealous in making bot-proof gameplay.
Lastly, I do like the minigame. Fighting is Magic |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1654
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:41:00 -
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Still awful, still insulting. The minigame is at least some sort of game play element that increases player interaction (ie, blowing up covops frigs while they hack) but the loot spew doesn't accomplish anything but frustration. Without it I'd probably still run at least some professional sites in full but as is I'll scan for blueprints and just grab data cans if I see one I like. Nothing else is worth the random clicking, at least not to me. Though I fully respect all the people who are still doing it; keep those decryptor prices low! |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1503
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Posted - 2013.10.21 16:40:00 -
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i can only imagine the overlap between people who are dedicated enough to learn EVE and simple-minded enough to enjoy the simplistic loot spew mechanic to be very small, thus the feature is most likely highly annoying for a majority of the population.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
437
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Posted - 2013.10.21 16:51:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:i can only imagine the overlap between people who are dedicated enough to learn EVE and simple-minded enough to enjoy the simplistic loot spew mechanic to be very small, thus the feature is most likely highly annoying for a majority of the population.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Not today spaghetti. |
Thanos The Mad-Titan
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:49:00 -
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click the first data or parts container you see, mouseover as many as you can till you find data, click data and parts, accidentally click scraps, double click on parts as a response, ships goes off, alt-space, sigh and alt-C to see if your stuff is worth anything.
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Get loot in return for winning the mini-game, not second mini-game to see what your reward for the first mini-game is
Current iteration is awful |
Julius Priscus
166
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:04:00 -
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I used to enjoy hacking and the other mini professions..
now its just a waste of skill points in its present carnation. I regret skilling up them mini profession skills to 5 for now. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Batelle
RisingSuns
222
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:32:00 -
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Thanos The Mad-Titan wrote:
Get loot in return for winning the mini-game, not second mini-game to see what your reward for the first mini-game is
THIS Fighting is Magic |
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:06:00 -
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I echo the sentiments of everybody else in this thread, but I'd like to add that the COSMOS sites are now an exercise in futility and frustration. There's no rhyme or reason to what items drop in which cans and in some cases I swear I've grabbed everything but the scraps cans and still don't get the item I saw on the cargo scan.
I would love nothing more than the current hacking mini-game minus the frustrating loot spew. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
18
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:08:00 -
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Rofl such gallow humor to me this is. I actually wanted to get into the whole hacking scene, I saw the changes in the expansion and I shut that down hard lol. Shame cause I was looking forward to playing that part of the game, I really enjoyed going around scanning too (EvE fishing). Getting something that was hard to scan but useless was still fun, always someone I could make happy with a gravimetric scan if just for going in there with cameras and oohhhs and ahhsss. |
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Julius Priscus
166
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:24:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote:Rofl such gallow humor to me this is. I actually wanted to get into the whole hacking scene, I saw the changes in the expansion and I shut that down hard lol. Shame cause I was looking forward to playing that part of the game, I really enjoyed going around scanning too (EvE fishing). Getting something that was hard to scan but useless was still fun, always someone I could make happy with a gravimetric scan if just for going in there with cameras and oohhhs and ahhsss.
I used to bring all my probes down to 25 au and nearly ontop of each other as well as faction items to improve scan str, I would find almost any site and that's with lvl 4 skills, I would drop one probe and have a good idea what was in local and scan it down.
as I have said before... if your hacking results score higher then the amount of cans "spewed" out should drop accordingly. if you do really badly then there should be lots and lots aka several. if you do really well. then at best a jet can with everything or just 1-3 cans running away.
-»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
280
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:13:00 -
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I almost don't lose any "valuable" loot to spew. Just get the first can in super pronto.
Also I now get heron spawns in my relics, and the herons usually have more in them than any can does. |
Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax2
45
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:42:00 -
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Tried the new hacking mini game last week, loot spew is just god awful. |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
56
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Posted - 2013.10.22 11:45:00 -
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It is still a very weak mechanic. It is one of those things that needs to be removed but you know it never will. |
Myriad Blaze
77
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:10:00 -
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Loot spew is awful and annoying.
Although I usually get the valuable stuff or at least most of it, I no longer care and shelved my explorer frigate. However, recently I started to go exploring again. I just changed my approach. Instead of using a Helios fitted for hacking relic and data sites I use a Nemesis fitted for ganking light vessels. Last weekend I fielded it for the first time. But I got bored after waiting one hour without someone showing up, so I'm still waiting for my first kill. Maybe I need to find a better place to play hide and seek than where I was. |
Batelle
RisingSuns
223
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:19:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote:Rofl such gallow humor to me this is. I actually wanted to get into the whole hacking scene, I saw the changes in the expansion and I shut that down hard lol. Shame cause I was looking forward to playing that part of the game, I really enjoyed going around scanning too (EvE fishing).
It wasn't exactly fun before either, just less annoying. Arrive at site, kill rats, open scan, kill newly spawned rats. Wait for like 20 cycles until it opens. Get loot. IMO before it was even worse, because of rats, and because without lvl 5 in the skill it would just take forever. Now with lvl 4 and a bonused ship you can still do it quite reasonably even in null. The big difference is the loot spew is the same in highsec and nullsec. I can stomach the loot spew better if there's something good to get in the can. Fighting is Magic |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1521
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Posted - 2013.10.22 18:56:00 -
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Ran a single high sec combat anom last night, the boss ship dropped a single faction module (other stuff, too, but still) worth 50x what the last 10 relic & data sites have dropped (not counting the usual garbage) combined.
Nuff said. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
65
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Posted - 2013.10.23 03:14:00 -
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It's still bloody annoying. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
18
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Posted - 2013.10.23 08:56:00 -
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Definitely not debating wether its better isk now then back then. Or wether its "worth" it but i'll take tedious over stressful any day. Racing after vanishing cans, just to be left wondering what you missed in the other can regardless of wether you get good loot but worse so if you get ******. It is just too "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder action packed" not to mention a permanently raised muscle tension. Looks to be stressful and not like a good adrenaline rushed PvP or a dangerous outgunned PvE encounter. |
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Northern Associates.
50
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Posted - 2013.10.23 11:31:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Its Annoying. No Exploration for me :D |
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Travis Marshal
Mass Effect Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 13:54:00 -
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Batelle wrote: If we beat the damn minigame, then just give us the bacon already! The fact that ship agility plays a role, and you can't see what type a container is without mousing over it first are just stupid. Lastly, you're double clicking on stuff to get your ship to approach, yet often your ship gets hung up on the damn structure!
Lastly, I do like the minigame.
Exactly the way I feel about it. I started doing exploration only because I liked the idea of randomness. Minigame also random (well pseudo, maybe) and fun. Clicking mini containers is boring like hell. Nothing good about it. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
128
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:40:00 -
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The only thing i do with relic/data sites anymore is grab my bomber when i see someone doing one and feel like it.
Before i would actually run some hacking sites once in a while, nowadays it doesnt seem justified to me to do them really (in lowsec).
[edit]as i would only occasionally do them i guess i 'could' live with the minigame and container picking (only thing i really dislike about it is that the mechanics about what type drops which loot became public knowledge basically at release day, making the whole thing redundant)[/edit] |
Arec Bardwin
1169
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:14:00 -
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Well, the content designers at CCP thought the loot spew game was fresh and entertaining. That's good enough for me |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
347
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:44:00 -
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I was happy to see the addition of a minigame for hacking, and something that seemed easy enough that it wouldn't ruin the experience by taking too long.
What has ruined the experience, however, is this idiotic loot spew.
But even that I was eventually ok with. Then I found out the cans disappear if you don't grab them fast enough. If you go for this one instead of that one. Then I stopped caring about exploration at all.
Exploration was my favorite activity in this game. I did missions and incursions for money, I explored for fun..
I realize the community hates industrialists, and I realize by the nature of the game CCP will let things like hulkageddon and 'mining permits' and such go on. But to see something like this; to see the devs blatantly state their contempt for so many players, was a little shocking and disheartening.
It's not enough we're in an exploration fit, and therefore give up our ability to fight at all, let alone pvp. It's not enough you put in the minigame so we can't watch local, or dscan. It's not enough that the cans go flying allowing anyone at all to grab the loot you worked for. You have to screw us over even if we're alone in the system? Seriously?
I've already accepted being a second class citizen in this game as someone who enjoys mining and building things, so I'm not going to ragequit over this. I just expected more maturity out of the devs. |
Julius Priscus
166
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:35:00 -
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why not make mining the same as the mini game?? after one cycle you get jet can spew and you have to grab your minerals you mined before they expire?
yes yes sounds good to me!!! -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
333
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Posted - 2013.10.26 13:57:00 -
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Loot spew is an embarrassment. |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings Setting The Universe on Fire
136
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:11:00 -
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Its awful exploration is what caught my eye in this game. Now i never do it, its just boring. The combat was fun not to mention the fun of dodging gatecamps without covert ops cloaks.
I could deal without that. But the loot spew...Just no. |
Buzz Madullier
The Essence of Nike
6
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:34:00 -
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All You need to know about the cans...
Relic Sites
Data Containers Blueprint Copies Spatial Attunement Unit Skill Books Equipment Containers Spatial Attunement Unit Material Containers T1/T2 Salvage Spatial Attunement Unit Parts Containers T1/T2 Salvage Spatial Attunement Unit Scraps Containers Spatial Attunement Unit
Data Sites
Data Containers Blueprint Copies Spatial Attunement Unit Skill Books Equipment Containers Spatial Attunement Unit Material Containers Faction Alloys Spatial Attunement Unit Parts Containers Decryptors Datacores Spatial Attunement Unit Scraps Containers Spatial Attunement Unit
but... that doesn't make it any less frustrating, and possibly more frustrating when you get a can that is supposed to have 12 different T1/T2 salvage types and you get 3+ junk items from parts and material cans in a row and all the rest start to disappear and you only end up getting like 2 out of the 12 by the end. |
Hesod Adee
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
104
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Posted - 2013.10.27 01:15:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:i can only imagine the overlap between people who are dedicated enough to learn EVE and simple-minded enough to enjoy the simplistic loot spew mechanic to be very small, thus the feature is most likely highly annoying for a majority of the population. Agreed. If it wasn't for the loot spew, I'd have done more exploration as I enjoy the hacking part.
But the loot spew sucks all that enjoyment back out of it.
It doesn't help that the cans disappearing makes no sense at all. They have been in the site for years, why is a few seconds enough to pop them ?
Why does every ship have a tractor beam that only works on the spew ? |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:23:00 -
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It was not EVE like, unfun and pretty annoying 4 months ago and in that time it has only gotten worse.
I would like to lewt spew the dev who's baby this element is because it is just plain dumb.
I understand it is not going anywhere since some dev is the father of this still born hot mess that is exploration/hacking.
One can hope. |
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