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tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:24:00 -
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if after the null buff is nothing to come then u can only petition for galente / caldari sp reimburstment |
Af'ilia
The Directorate
8
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:43:00 -
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I can hyrbrid fit an omen and get more dps out of it than pulse.
What. The. ****. I think you re-balanced a little too much... |
Af'ilia
The Directorate
8
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:45:00 -
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Dare Devel wrote:With the current state of large/medium blaster and large/medium rails there is proof enough that the so called hybrid rebalance is a big fail.
Only 3 alliances have used rail fit ROKH with more fail than success. Which proves that even the seasoned(insert other adjectives as elite, veteren, etc) players have found it uncompetitive to either abbadon/tengu/mael/drake/cane/zealot.
I have seen some hybrid platform HACs been used (from dotlan) and fail easily against a kiting BC fleet. This was a for gone conclusion anyway.
The null buff do not affect much but in a range of 1-4 kms max. Being good at PVP will not make the guns perform any better. This I am only stating facts about fleet battles and PVE not Skirmish.
If being worse makes you happy then what can I say.
Not all pvp involves 0.0 warfare tactics of fielding 500 bs, 400 hacs, and 200 randoms on a field at once.
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tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:53:00 -
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Af'ilia wrote:Dare Devel wrote:With the current state of large/medium blaster and large/medium rails there is proof enough that the so called hybrid rebalance is a big fail.
Only 3 alliances have used rail fit ROKH with more fail than success. Which proves that even the seasoned(insert other adjectives as elite, veteren, etc) players have found it uncompetitive to either abbadon/tengu/mael/drake/cane/zealot.
I have seen some hybrid platform HACs been used (from dotlan) and fail easily against a kiting BC fleet. This was a for gone conclusion anyway.
The null buff do not affect much but in a range of 1-4 kms max. Being good at PVP will not make the guns perform any better. This I am only stating facts about fleet battles and PVE not Skirmish.
If being worse makes you happy then what can I say. Not all pvp involves 0.0 warfare tactics of fielding 500 bs, 400 hacs, and 200 randoms on a field at once.
i never heard of such a tactic if u have 500 BS u have also a logistics squad and some heavy interdictors if u go hac u also have some logistics interceptors and interdictors
but u will never see something wath u just described especially 200 randoms there are no randoms in a fleet everything is tought trugh and if u dont fallow prosedure u will just get kiked out of the ally |
tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:04:00 -
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Af'ilia wrote:I can hyrbrid fit an omen and get more dps out of it than pulse.
What. The. ****. I think you re-balanced a little too much...
if u think this would be so great then just go fit one get some kills in ur OP Omen of doom fitted with void blasters
after that if u live to tell us storys how great it was someone might even listen insted loughing after reading the 6 first words
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
856
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:30:00 -
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Af'ilia wrote:I can hyrbrid fit an omen and get more dps out of it than pulse.
What. The. ****. I think you re-balanced a little too much...
Troll spotted.
Do you even realize Pulse Myrmidon or Auto Canons Myrmidon is preferred to Hybrids Myrmidon and both with shield buffer dish way far more dps than any Hybrids/armor tank set up? -at least until this last buff that might well for once change this stupid situation.
You should train your laser skills after lvl1 or just stop trolling?
Side note about small hybrids:
Small hybrids were already not bad, not the kings of the hill but quite good, ships needed buffs for sure but small hybrids were fine. Now we can have frigates with weapons shooting as far as battleships short range weapons (30km+/- with gatlings but even more with 125mm), this is ridiculous. No small weapon short range at least should be capable of hit something beyond scram range (8.5 to 13km), and long range past 15/17km.
Then I just look at my Daredevil with light Neutrons and read again his bonus "200% hybrids damage" ...
Really CCP, you don't listen (read) a crap of what we just say (write]. |
Hamox
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:48:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Af'ilia wrote:I can hyrbrid fit an omen and get more dps out of it than pulse.
What. The. ****. I think you re-balanced a little too much... Troll spotted. Do you even realize Pulse Myrmidon or Auto Canons Myrmidon is preferred to Hybrids Myrmidon and both with shield buffer dish way far more dps than any Hybrids/armor tank set up? -at least until this last buff that might well for once change this stupid situation. You should train your laser skills after lvl1 or just stop trolling? Side note about small hybrids: Small hybrids were already not bad, not the kings of the hill but quite good, ships needed buffs for sure but small hybrids were fine. Now we can have frigates with weapons shooting as far as battleships short range weapons (30km+/- with gatlings but even more with 125mm), this is ridiculous. No small weapon short range at least should be capable of hit something beyond scram range (8.5 to 13km), and long range past 15/17km. Then I just look at my Daredevil with light Neutrons and read again his bonus "200% hybrids damage" ... Really CCP, you don't listen (read) a crap of what we just say (write].
The problem with the small blasters was mentioned in the very beginning of this thread BEFORE all this changes (and btw is a good proof that we do not want an OP blaster ship, it is CCP who fails all the time). Also it was mentioned that those changes will not balance anything at medium and large blasters. May I remind you that CCP CEO wanted to listen more to.... .... ah forgett it... |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
45
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:29:00 -
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http://killboard.the-godfathers.com/index.php/kill_detail/180828/
Nice to see someone decided to try a thorax fleet. We engaged at zero on a gate, we were all arty/beam fit. Sad thing isn't the outcome, which was a bit lopsided, but that only half of these guys even considered it worth fitting hybrids to their ships. The rest felt that projectiles would obviously be better - and if that doesn't say something about the state of hybrids then nothing does |
Magosian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:05:00 -
[1779] - Quote
Nikuno wrote:http://killboard.the-godfathers.com/index.php/kill_detail/180828/ Nice to see someone decided to try a thorax fleet. We engaged at zero on a gate, we were all arty/beam fit. Sad thing isn't the outcome, which was a bit lopsided, but that only half of these guys even considered it worth fitting hybrids to their ships. The rest felt that projectiles would obviously be better - and if that doesn't say something about the state of hybrids then nothing does
What I find even more convincing is the sheer amount of tornados on the left side....
Yea, I need about half a second to figure out why.... |
tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:06:00 -
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Nikuno wrote:http://killboard.the-godfathers.com/index.php/kill_detail/180828/ Nice to see someone decided to try a thorax fleet. We engaged at zero on a gate, we were all arty/beam fit. Sad thing isn't the outcome, which was a bit lopsided, but that only half of these guys even considered it worth fitting hybrids to their ships. The rest felt that projectiles would obviously be better - and if that doesn't say something about the state of hybrids then nothing does
everyone knows it exept some newbies who think void blasters with there imense dps are good for anything just when u try using them the actual dps goes down to zero
and ccp's solution for it was to increase the null range by 15% to me it looks like a bad joke, like they would say put ur galenete up ur ...........
as there is no communication, no coments on what are there further plans towards galenete rebalancing, nothing things seem to be "normal" again, just like before the ccp ceo letter
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tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:11:00 -
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Magosian wrote:Nikuno wrote:http://killboard.the-godfathers.com/index.php/kill_detail/180828/ Nice to see someone decided to try a thorax fleet. We engaged at zero on a gate, we were all arty/beam fit. Sad thing isn't the outcome, which was a bit lopsided, but that only half of these guys even considered it worth fitting hybrids to their ships. The rest felt that projectiles would obviously be better - and if that doesn't say something about the state of hybrids then nothing does What I find even more convincing is the sheer amount of tornados on the left side.... Yea, I need about half a second to figure out why....
so the drakes get nerfed soon and u will get a all out minmatar diversity in low and null sec roams
i would say the ccp devs are doing a great job |
thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
67
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:35:00 -
[1782] - Quote
thorax , thorax thorax....
mcum.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12209821 |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
45
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:55:00 -
[1783] - Quote
thoth rothschild wrote:thorax , thorax thorax....
mcum.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12209821
lol, so you met some of these delusional fools too? I have no idea why anyone suddenly thought a thorax was a viable fleet ship - must have been reading and believing CCP's propaganda
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tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:09:00 -
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yeah "the hybrid rebalance hoax" |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:14:00 -
[1785] - Quote
Nikuno wrote:thoth rothschild wrote:thorax , thorax thorax....
mcum.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12209821 lol, so you met some of these delusional fools too? I have no idea why anyone suddenly thought a thorax was a viable fleet ship - must have been reading and believing CCP's propaganda
i would have liked to see those thorax with 250's with jav in with te's and shield extender with shield rigs... with a nano on for ***** with vespa ecm drones... might have been a diff fight...
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Hamox
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:24:00 -
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tEcHnOkRaT wrote: so the drakes get nerfed soon and u will get a all out minmatar diversity in low and null sec roams
i would say the ccp devs are doing a great job
The only thing I do not understand is why CCP transforms EVE into Winmatar Online. Anybody has any ideas? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:58:00 -
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this is how the thorax should have been fit... just cuss you killed noobs in them does not mean they blow...
if anything increase base pg so i can bump up to 250's....
[Thorax, Thorax fit]
200mm Railgun II, Javelin M 200mm Railgun II, Javelin M 200mm Railgun II, Javelin M 200mm Railgun II, Javelin M 200mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Vespa EC-600 x5 |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
45
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:23:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Nikuno wrote:thoth rothschild wrote:thorax , thorax thorax....
mcum.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12209821 lol, so you met some of these delusional fools too? I have no idea why anyone suddenly thought a thorax was a viable fleet ship - must have been reading and believing CCP's propaganda i would have liked to see those thorax with 250's with jav in with te's and shield extender with shield rigs... with a nano on for ***** with vespa ecm drones... might have been a diff fight...
But this is where you miss the point - the vast majority of the players in Eve know that hybrids don't work and so they look for every other possibility and that inevitably brings them back to how ridiculously good projectiles are. So we get projrctiles on Myrmidons, projectiles on Feroxes, projectiles on Abaddons, projectiles in every damned place they shouldn't be !! Make projectiles use cap. One small change. Then things would change; but as it stands right now any weapon system that has every advantage possible in-game will always be chosen over it's rivals, and this is what you see in practice. Best weapons on the best ships, and everything else becomes redundant. If it wasn't for scorch, and scorch alone, even lasers wouldn't be used. |
Morgan North
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
61
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:04:00 -
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Indeed the fact Hybrids use Cap, in the range of energy neutralizers and nosferatus, coupled with slowboating and armor tanking, even if active, are a great penalty that makes projectiles, with the no cap, greater falloff, selectable ammo type better. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys EXPLO. KINETIK und ein wenig THERMAL
14
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:22:00 -
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anyone here who travels to iceland anytime soon? that person could stop by tallest's place and give him a little kick. or emphasize the importance of a more innovative approach than number crunching.
im still voting for:
testing(means more than one week on testserver and a dialog) an autocannon - blaster-stats swap, making blasters the falloff weapon and ac's the shotguns with ultra short range. this would of course imply, that further balancing regarding the ships may be necessary. plus a nice hybrid ammo revamp (maybe separate blaster and rail ammo)
or
rethink the credo of blaster (and rail while one is at it) platforms, and get rid of the arrow in the armored guy's knee. maybe rethink the old racial credos in general (since the environment has obviously changed?) involves obviously a lot of balancing of ships.
every thing shorter than something like the ideas above will not be solve the general problem. but so far nothing new i guess? |
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tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:17:00 -
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dont treathen the ccp staff plz
they are still doing agreat job with eve infact eve is the only game on the market worth playing becouse of its complexity and mostly adult player base
they could just pay more attention to combat and race balance so it wouldnt matter what race are u flying and u could chooce them entirely on what shipsdesigns u like most
but its ok to let some steam blow out becouse things can always be better then they are now |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys EXPLO. KINETIK und ein wenig THERMAL
14
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:39:00 -
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tEcHnOkRaT wrote:dont treathen the ccp staff plz
i dont think some annoying *poke*age will do some serious harm. and i certainly didnt expect me to be threatening. after all we need tallest to be .. intact, so that he can do his job
tEcHnOkRaT wrote: they could just pay more attention to combat and race balance so it wouldnt matter what race are u flying and u could chooce them entirely on what shipsdesigns u like most
well there should remain some distinguishable features for each race. different flavors. important is, that teh flavorz even out in the end/ on the large scale. |
tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:01:00 -
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it would be a great thing to refink the role of galente but also the caldari are getting a bit useless, they are no more the kings of pve only the shield tanking active as well as passive is saving there role |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
97
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Posted - 2012.01.24 10:15:00 -
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CCP Talest did promise everybody a full, detailed Dev blog on the subject of blasters in Januar. Lucky for him we still got 1 week left for him to keep that promise.
I'm still a little dissapointed about the T1 ammunition going unnoticed, but hopefully it's just Hilmar forcing the team to focus more on ships than weapons after the first balance because it looks better for CCP.
Also Blasters are actually fine as they are, however autocannons could easily handle a tracking nerf just to give them some kind of disadvantage. AC's huge falloff while having the good tracking really puts a hurt on smaller ships - I nearly lost an interceptor at 25-30km range and full speed transversal the other day to 3 ships with 425mm autocannons...
Pinky |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
36
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:18:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:CCP Talest did promise everybody a full, detailed Dev blog on the subject of blasters in Januar. Lucky for him we still got 1 week left for him to keep that promise.
I'm still a little dissapointed about the T1 ammunition going unnoticed, but hopefully it's just Hilmar forcing the team to focus more on ships than weapons after the first balance because it looks better for CCP.
Also Blasters are actually fine as they are, however autocannons could easily handle a tracking nerf just to give them some kind of disadvantage. AC's huge falloff while having the good tracking really puts a hurt on smaller ships - I nearly lost an interceptor at 25-30km range and full speed transversal the other day to 3 ships with 425mm autocannons...
Pinky
Yeah true we are waiting for Talest Blog !
I found Talos is OK. Same with BIG BLASTERS on Vindicator Or Mega or Even Domi.
Rails are where they are = nowhere :). Only on NAGA maybe.
Alpha fleets are still the best coz numbers and this game is all about numbers. I think the best idea is sorry to say coz im also Winmatar pilot but best idea is to nerf Mattar. sad but true
BTW. this topic is record ? 54K and 1000+ posts ? LOL |
tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:42:00 -
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if the matar nerf would come in question then only there range should be nerfd maybe some of there alpha nothing more
so they are only good in low to middle range cuz now, even with autocanons they can still hit at 100km distance and arty can shoot further then rails
i think for the time being best solution would be to nerf traking enchancers fallof bonus to 15%-20% and to observe what happens in the next few months
if needed some more adjustments should be done after that
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
97
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:40:00 -
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Reducing the fall-off on tracking enhancers = Yes plz (That was even a reply when they specifically asked for feed back on tracking enhancers)
But we also have a long list of other things that CCP never replied to yet:
- T1 ammo being a mess with weird cap bonuses and too small range increments etc
- Hybrids should be able to better select thermal or kinetic damage on all ranges.
- Energy weapons should be able to do the same with EM and thermal.
- Railguns not being unique enough (especially medium size)
- Gallente ships needing faster acceleration to their max velocity
- Minmatar ships needing slower acceleration to their max velocity
- Autocannons still having too many advantages - Maybe reduce tracking and force expl damage to all ammo
- Reduce artilley alpha to make the gap between hybrids/energy and projectiles less prominent
This list is ofcourse not everything as we have tons of suggestions and feedback CCP haven't reacted on yet.
It's obviously not as urgent as it has been. Face it the first implementation were actually halfway to be a good solution just lacking the final touch of details. Many people including myself would love to have the subject done so we can go back and enjoy a balanced game where minmatar ships with projectiles have the advantage in fitting reqs, raw damage (ACs), Alpha strike (Arty), damage selection, no cap use, damage projection, Tracking (ACs) and ship bonuses supporting them additionally...
Pinky |
tEcHnOkRaT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:49:00 -
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pinky maybe u should place this list on a new post
and ask for player support to sighn it
and btw the new assoult ships are awesome especialy enyo
i think its a good thing that the resource prise represents ships usability but it shouldnt be done only for one shipclass but for the entire shiptree |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
856
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:09:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Nikuno wrote:thoth rothschild wrote:thorax , thorax thorax....
mcum.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12209821 lol, so you met some of these delusional fools too? I have no idea why anyone suddenly thought a thorax was a viable fleet ship - must have been reading and believing CCP's propaganda i would have liked to see those thorax with 250's with jav in with te's and shield extender with shield rigs... with a nano on for ***** with vespa ecm drones... might have been a diff fight...
It wouldn't, yes you could hit for far distances but with uber what 250 dps? ...
Hybrids haven't bean fixed, they have just started to scratch the top of the iceberg we're announcing now for years. They don't listen and what happens?
Wait a few weeks before you start read tears on this very same forum because small blasters are face raping everything. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
856
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:16:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:CCP Talest did promise everybody a full, detailed Dev blog on the subject of blasters in Januar. Lucky for him we still got 1 week left for him to keep that promise.
I'm still a little dissapointed about the T1 ammunition going unnoticed, but hopefully it's just Hilmar forcing the team to focus more on ships than weapons after the first balance because it looks better for CCP.
Also Blasters are actually fine as they are, however autocannons could easily handle a tracking nerf just to give them some kind of disadvantage. AC's huge falloff while having the good tracking really puts a hurt on smaller ships - I nearly lost an interceptor at 25-30km range and full speed transversal the other day to 3 ships with 425mm autocannons...
Pinky
You are a very lucky guy, if you ever cross my autos cane with your friggi never stay closer than 40km, my barrage can put the misery on you at that distance with not much trouble, under this distance you're just dead but you don't know it yet.
Autocanons with max lvl5 support skills, 2 te's 2 gyros+ship bonus DON'T have ANY issue to track small or large stuff from 0 to max range. Now you want to try against my 220 Vulcans Vagabond?
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