[Stabber Fleet Issue, Arty sfi tracking fit]

Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Warp Disruptor II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M

Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

[Stabber Fleet Issue, AC sfi tracking fit]

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium M

Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I

[Stiletto, Tackle]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Extender II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Targeting System Subcontroller I

So you want a T1 Cruiser to be able to beat a T2 frigate assuming the frigate is well flown? And possibly several....?

So you want a T1 Cruiser to be able to beat a T2 frigate assuming the frigate is well flown? And possibly several....?

try a rapid light caracal.

CCP Y U NO FEED ME KILLZ NO MORE?!?!?

But lets be honest ... whatever ship is currently the best for small gangs will suddenly appear everywhere. If you nerfed inties something else will take their place. If you made assault frigate gangs the optimal way to fight, there would be AF everywhere.

The assumption that "everyone flies ship X therefore ship X is ridiculously overpowered" is nonsense in a game as even being a few percent better in stats will make a ship dominant in a particular role. The alternative is to "balance" things to make all ships identical but that way lies boredom and will kill the game.

The main thing though is 4 or 5 T2 frigates really should be able to kill a T1 cruiser with relative ease. Especially when the T1 cruiser cost 10 or 15 mill fitted and the intercepts cost more like 40 mill each fitted.

What the original poster seems to be saying is he wants to be able to kill 200 mill worth of T2 frigates in a 15 mill T1 cruiser just because its a cruiser.

CCP Y U NO FEED ME KILLZ NO MORE?!?!?

Wow, dude, really? Can you please try to post constructively?

Wow, dude, really? Can you please try to post constructively?

I run my interceptors with dual hyper rigs and nano lows so mine aren't a threat to anyone just d@mn hard to catch.

But lets be honest ... whatever ship is currently the best for small gangs will suddenly appear everywhere. If you nerfed inties something else will take their place. If you made assault frigate gangs the optimal way to fight, there would be AF everywhere.

The assumption that "everyone flies ship X therefore ship X is ridiculously overpowered" is nonsense in a game as even being a few percent better in stats will make a ship dominant in a particular role. The alternative is to "balance" things to make all ships identical but that way lies boredom and will kill the game.

The main thing though is 4 or 5 T2 frigates really should be able to kill a T1 cruiser with relative ease. Especially when the T1 cruiser cost 10 or 15 mill fitted and the intercepts cost more like 40 mill each fitted.

What the original poster seems to be saying is he wants to be able to kill 200 mill worth of T2 frigates in a 15 mill T1 cruiser just because its a cruiser.

Do you really want me to post constructively in a thread where you are crying because you cant kill an inty in your frig-death SFI anymore. or simply want to silence someone calling you out on what you really want? Because no matter how well you camouflage the thread with fits and words, it pretty much boils down to my last post.

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To highlight what i don't think is right is that in my skirmish linked stiletto running a faction point i can point out to 40km comfortably, heat to 60 something km for intial point and orbit at 5.5kms with a 70ish sig. Now at that range with that speed small guns cant reach me, med lr weapons cant track me and med sr weapons cant reach or track, bubbles cant stop me and if you warp somewhere i'm there before you are and lol neuts. Missiles yes they can be scary but so long as i avoid a few ships im fine. (yes there are a couple of scenarios where this is not true, nothing is absolute in eve).

So now we're talking about two specialized ships performing their specialized roles. In this particular case, an inty is not trying to kill you, but merely holding you down for someone else to kill. If the Inty were actually killing you from that range I'd be much more likely to be concerned.

For this specific situation I'm pretty comfortable suggesting you get a Curse.

-Liang

... and orbit at 5.5kms with a 70ish sig. Now at that range with that speed small guns cant reach me, med lr weapons cant track me and med sr weapons cant reach or track, bubbles cant stop me and if you warp somewhere i'm there before you are and lol neuts. Missiles yes they can be scary but so long as i avoid a few ships im fine. (yes there are a couple of scenarios where this is not true, nothing is absolute in eve).

fair enuf ...

so ... drones ???

[quote=Malakai Asamov][
For this specific situation I'm pretty comfortable suggesting you get a Curse.
-Liang

interceptor bubble immunity is OP. Look at the goons, all they fly is interceptors, because you basically cant catch them anymore (apart of silly methods like smartbombs), unless they want to fight and mess up.
Interceptors are a safe travel ship and this shouldnt be available for this price tag of 20m ISK, IMO there shouldnt be any bubble immunity for anything at all.

interceptor bubble immunity is OP. Look at the goons, all they fly is interceptors, because you basically cant catch them anymore (apart of silly methods like smartbombs), unless they want to fight and mess up.
Interceptors are a safe travel ship and this shouldnt be available for this price tag of 20m ISK, IMO there shouldnt be any bubble immunity for anything at all.

We have had some luck using sebo'ed-r'sebo'ed inties and destroyers on gates. Usually just catch two or three out of 10 though.

If you cant beat it, cry until they nerf it.

What I really want is constructive conversation not witty comments like "what it really boils down to is you crying because you think i'm crying".

yeah properly fit interceptors warp almost instantly, you dont even have a chance to lock them.
Interceptors are broken.

I've specced out all the interceptors, the malediction is the only one that i feel is out of line, it is able to fit for instawarp and able to maintain combat effectiveness. I've spent serious time trying to kill this fit, and aside from getting them to fall for bait or smartbombing they're impossible to kill. The complete immunity to be tackled when warping off a gate is OP. More to the fact the malediction is suppost to be an armor ship and has an armor resist bonus but here we are with an lolwtf shield tank that exploits its low mass that it has been gifted for being armor.

The Untargetability of the ship is achieved through game mechanics by basically being faster than the server and the internet, i think the *best* way to balance this is to place a hardcap on the warp to align speed so its possible to catch these with a enough scan res and an average ping to TQ. If it takes a hardcapped stat on the entire interceptor class to balance the maladiction then so be it, it will force players to fit for more combat effectiveness as a whole as well as restore the risk / reward of flying the ship.

Example below is 1.95 align to warp speed, 1.75 with squad bonus and skirmish mindlink passive effect. 30km point and 42km missile range, with damage type selectable.

[Malediction, Broken]

3x Light Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile)

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

2x Inertia Stabilizers II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

lol, you are literally crying that a gimpy malediction that is fit specifically for avoiding gate camps can't be caught by gate camps. In light of all the good things that have come from the ceptor rebalance its a tough argument to make that they need to be nerfed to accommodate the exhilarating tactical possibilities presented to the remote seboed gate camping battle cruiser.

You should feel bad.

lol, you are literally crying that a gimpy malediction that is fit specifically for avoiding gate camps can't be caught by gate camps. In light of all the good things that have come from the ceptor rebalance its a tough argument to make that they need to be nerfed to accommodate the exhilarating tactical possibilities presented to the remote seboed gate camping battle cruiser.

You should feel bad.

6k+ scan res on an interceptor attempting to target an interceptor and the ship doesn't even attempt to lock cause the ship is already in warp in the 115ms it takes TQ to relay the information to your client.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=262697&m=1&y=2014


You should feel bad for not even taking the time to see what maledictions can do in groups, or pairs, so next time before you post anything, please research it.

The fact that 10 maledictions can kill a PVE fit drake has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that nobody should care about gate campers crying that they can't catch them.

The fact that 10 maledictions can kill a PVE fit drake has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that nobody should care about gate campers crying that they can't catch them. Their entire role is centred on mobility, being able to get into hostile systems with impunity is exactly the niche they are supposed to fill. This is balanced by the fact that if you tackle them on grid with any kind of DPS support they will melt.

that is.. your client doesnt even start locking, since ship is already in warp as it appears on overview.
this is totally borked IMO.

Really man? Are you kidding me?

A pair of ceptors should be able to kill poor afk ratters, kill other small combat things, sure i agree with this.

BUT when you cant even prevent them from moving around, it is OP, I want you to setup a malediction for "escaping" gate camps, then setup a few of your friends on the other side of a gate with a Claw ( the highest natural scan res ceptor ) and remote sensor boost it to hell and back, put as many remote sebo's on it you like, 10, 20, doesnt matter. Have your malediction jump in and hit warp, see if you are caught....

Answer? No, you are gone.

Now when those "gatecamp avoiding" ceptors come crashing by you and go feast things they want to fight, and you "have support for the ratters" , all they do is land on grid with a ratting boat, see it is a trap, and run away again.

NOTHING can catch them, they just roam around looking for a non-baited target and an easy gank.

Oh sorry. When I said "their role is to be able to move around with impunity" and you pointed out that you can't catch them at gate camps, I totally see now how they don't fit their designed role and need to be nerfed...

Because you guys are too lazy to keep a single recon in your ratting constellation that would render the interceptors completely harmless?

no, because people started using them massively as a better shuttle, for moving around in 0.0 while being almost completely untouchable.

Seriously. This is your justification to wanting to get them nerfed? Because they let people move around? In a game with jump clones, Titan bridges, jump drives, death clones and interdiction nullified T3s?

Haters gonna hate... Guys just deal with it. If you take away mobility from the interceptors, there will be no point in calling them interceptors, this is what they do !

they did the job pretty fine pre buff too. For me, they could have a warp speed buff or whatever but bubble immunity makes them way too OP!

Except that they really didn't and people rarely used them.

increased survivability due to a reduction in their MWD sig penalty

Stiletto
Minmatar Frigate Bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level, 7.5% Small Projectile Turret tracking speed per level
Interceptors Bonuses: 15% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty per level, 5% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Warp Disruptor range per level
Role bonuses: 80% reduction in Propulsion Jamming systems activation cost, Immunity to non-targeted interdiction
Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 3L; 2 turrets, 1 launchers
Fittings: 30 PWG, 150 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 400(+13) / 400(-22) / 500(-28)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 250 / 187.5s / 1.33
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 435 / 3.1 / 1020000(-80000) / 4.38s(-0.35)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 29.5km(+4.5) / 970(+45) / 5(+1)
Sensor strength: 10(+1) Ladar
Signature radius: 31
Cargo Capacity: 92(-28)

I compared these pre and post Rubicon Interceptor changes and you can see the results here. (the graph is of the above stabber fleet issue fits shooting at the stiletto fit above)

You say you want cruisers set up specifically to take out interceptors to be able to do so, but then your example fits are based on a crusier with the largest tier of medium artillery and the middle tier of autocannons...

*Confused

What does the graph look like with the smallest tier of medium artillery and autocannons (i.e. ones with the best tracking - you said in a further post you were looking at ships specifically designed to take out frigates, why fit them with weapons designed to smash cruisers and up?).

I'm not sure where you got your info, but interceptors did not get that. Here are the patch notes for the Stiletto.

Just making sure everyone is operating off hard info. Namely, the only time a Stiletto with that fit would have 190 sig is if it were using Interceptors I -- regardless of the version of Eve it was operating in.

Haters gonna hate... Guys just deal with it. If you take away mobility from the interceptors, there will be no point in calling them interceptors, this is what they do !

Too OP ?! Well, then let's just remove all the ships from the game and leave just shuttles or just make them all identical regarding of race. Wouldn't that be a great Universe ?

Might as well remove all other ships from Nullsec anyway. As they have become as rare as an honest politician. This game has basically become Interceptors online, or cloaky nullified online as far as nullsec is concerned.

this ^^

So you are okay with T3 Online, instead of T3+Interceptors Online? Jesus...

Bubble immunity is actually double edged sword, if you are trying to catch someone, they hit the bubble, you won't, you are probably not in point range now. Why should be dictor gate camp 90% win (10% includes T3s and cloakies to certain extent)?

P.S.: It's hilarious to Void Bomb interceptors swarm, it just all stops

what?
Dictor camp is not always 90% win, interceptor pilots who are not noobs will always escape a dictor camp, so do coverts too. Only noob died to ca dictor flying one of these 2 ship types. Now its always 100% win for interceptor, since you cant even lock it because they instawarp out of your bubble nor land in it.

P.S.: It's hilarious to Void Bomb interceptors swarm, it just all stops

They don't instawarp. You have minimum 1 tick to lock and point, your camp has no resebos? Your problem.
But you are saying that interceptors almost always made it through along with covops (so basically nothing that can really hurt you), so you are just mad that you can't catch those "noobs" you keep talking about?

They don't instawarp. You have minimum 1 tick to lock and point, your camp has no resebos? Your problem.
But you are saying that interceptors almost always made it through along with covops (so basically nothing that can really hurt you), so you are just mad that you can't catch those "noobs" you keep talking about?

It takes the server 1 tick to broadcast that the interceptor has started to decloak/warp it takes a second tick for your client to lock and point it, so if your target has an align to warp under 2 it is impossible to point at any scan resolution. It is hilarious when people attempt to defend mechanics that they don't even know.

Like you have an idea what I know and what I don't. So you specialize your ship for super-align and get away, what's wrong with it? That you cannot specialize in the opposite to prevent this? Well tough luck I guess, the traveller is going through, big deal?

There shouldnt be idiot proof vessel for safe travel in 0.0.

What about all kind of jump?

Or should risk free travel be limited to the veteran so you can keep ganking the newbs?

they already had that, with nullified T3 very easy.

remove bubble immunity.
this game turned into interceptors online.

This interdiction nullification bullsh*t should never been implemented at all for anything, its game breaking.

I have a better idea, let's not remove bubble immunity from the game, but instead remove crybabies like yourself who are unable to adapt and use your noggin.. Learn to play the game son.

Your probably some **** poor no skill gate camper using insta lock links, I say remove that crap before removing nullifiers.

I have a better idea, let's not remove bubble immunity from the game, but instead remove crybabies like yourself who are unable to adapt and use your noggin.. Learn to play the game son.

Your probably some **** poor no skill gate camper using insta lock links, I say remove that crap before removing nullifiers.

I have a better idea, let's not remove bubble immunity from the game, but instead remove crybabies like yourself who are unable to adapt and use your noggin.. Learn to play the game son.

Your probably some **** poor no skill gate camper using insta lock links, I say remove that crap before removing nullifiers.

looks like you dont like risk when moving around in 0.0.

looks like you dont like risk when moving around in 0.0.

Says guy without any PvP history.
I suspect you don't post with your main, because you're one of those guys who just camp gates all day long with falcons and bail when equally sized gang is around. I might be wrong though.

yeah its my alt, used to post with that toon on forums and kept the tradition for long time.

Ceptors have always been good at escaping small camps with a bubble, so I don't really see how this is suddenly a huge deal.

Interceptors are a safe travel ship and this shouldnt be available for this price tag of 20m ISK, IMO there shouldnt be any bubble immunity for anything at all.

god forbid people would actually be able to travel in a space game, right?

something like bubbles should never have been in the game - they are like closed doors which cut most of the players from most of the star map

Eve is fundamentally a game about risks - balancing them, accepting them, and mitigating them. Anything that is risk free, or the risk is so low that it is negligible, has no place in Eve.

As for all those complaining about gate camps, they are a part of Eve too.

I am opposed to low risk travel in 0.0. Personally, I hate cloaky nullified T3s as well. I'd love to see jump freighters removed, or make it so they couldn't jump out of high sec. Moving large ships or expensive ships should require friends, scouts, and coordination.

interceptor bubble immunity is OP.

Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true, you know?

Interceptors are just to fast to travel in now. I think they need one of their super powers nerfed marginally to bring them into proper balance.

• Fastest ships in game
• Fastest aligning ships in game
• Fastest warping ships in game
• Smallest sig ships in game while MWD

I'm not sure any other ship gets best in category as much as a 20 million isk interceptor gets.

And what you get besides that? Miniscule firepower. So it kind of works like you'd expect from Interceptor, right? Catching enemy ships...

P.S.: Leopard is warping faster.

But lets be honest ... whatever ship is currently the best for small gangs will suddenly appear everywhere. If you nerfed inties something else will take their place. If you made assault frigate gangs the optimal way to fight, there would be AF everywhere.

Looks like the OP crowd were correct

Good change nothing major but brings the balance back a bit.

Although makes you wonder why arguably the best (Crow) has to take the biggest hit...

Seems intuative that a "good balance" would be one that effects the most a out of balance in the largest way. That is how % based changes work. If the change were a flat reduction by x amount it might well be a better adjustment overall. Someone with better math analysis skills would be better to make that call. But really it seems such a small nerf overall that the narrowed band between most agile and least agile interceptor seems a very small point in the scheme of things.

On a side note, I would love to see before and after align times for combat and travel fit inties. That is if anyone with those previously mentioned math skills had them already worked out.

I run my interceptors with dual hyper rigs and nano lows so mine aren't a threat to anyone just d@mn hard to catch.

But lets be honest ... whatever ship is currently the best for small gangs will suddenly appear everywhere. If you nerfed inties something else will take their place. If you made assault frigate gangs the optimal way to fight, there would be AF everywhere.

The assumption that "everyone flies ship X therefore ship X is ridiculously overpowered" is nonsense in a game as even being a few percent better in stats will make a ship dominant in a particular role. The alternative is to "balance" things to make all ships identical but that way lies boredom and will kill the game.

The main thing though is 4 or 5 T2 frigates really should be able to kill a T1 cruiser with relative ease. Especially when the T1 cruiser cost 10 or 15 mill fitted and the intercepts cost more like 40 mill each fitted.

What the original poster seems to be saying is he wants to be able to kill 200 mill worth of T2 frigates in a 15 mill T1 cruiser just because its a cruiser.

I run my interceptors with dual hyper rigs and nano lows so mine aren't a threat to anyone just d@mn hard to catch.

But lets be honest ... whatever ship is currently the best for small gangs will suddenly appear everywhere. If you nerfed inties something else will take their place. If you made assault frigate gangs the optimal way to fight, there would be AF everywhere.

The assumption that "everyone flies ship X therefore ship X is ridiculously overpowered" is nonsense in a game as even being a few percent better in stats will make a ship dominant in a particular role. The alternative is to "balance" things to make all ships identical but that way lies boredom and will kill the game.

The main thing though is 4 or 5 T2 frigates really should be able to kill a T1 cruiser with relative ease. Especially when the T1 cruiser cost 10 or 15 mill fitted and the intercepts cost more like 40 mill each fitted.

What the original poster seems to be saying is he wants to be able to kill 200 mill worth of T2 frigates in a 15 mill T1 cruiser just because its a cruiser.