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Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 783	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:52:00 - [2041] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Onictus wrote: Considering that I made about 30mil in loot/salvage and bounties on a single mission that I completed before the bounty tick. Which mission gives you 30M in loot & salvage and 9200 LP, that you are able to complete, loot & salvage within 15 minutes? Good work getting the goods to market and sold in that time too! Yeah, ever heard of marauders. 1)Dump right in the middle of the mission 2) Bastion//tank on 3) MTU out 4) destroy all the things and salvage as the MTU pull all of the wrecks to you. 15 minute in and out usually, maybe a half hour on a long one like blockade or Extravaganza.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1536	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:54:00 - [2042] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: EI Digin wrote: Page 100 Snipe dedicated to remind everyone that no one is calling for the destruction of highsec and that all people are looking for are minor balancing changes. Except ol baltec and the other goons who want to cut the income of highsec in half at least.. You know "minor balancing changes". Speaking of which if nullsec is so horrible why do they bother with it? They paint such a lovely picture of highsec (100% secure never die always making huge amounts of isk). So why venture into null where they get killed undocking behind their blue wall while having no ability to make isk at all? Can you tell me where you saw this post? I've been reading this entire thread and keeping up to date on it and, my apologies, I do not recall Baltec or any other poster ever mentioning cutting high sec income by any specific amount, let alon 50%. Thanks! One of my ideas in a post was setting income up something like this: WH/Null 100% Lowsec 80% Highsec 50% That doesn't automatically mean cutting current highsec income by 50% like that guy is claiming. It means setting nullsec/wh income as the maximum achievable then balancing the others around it. None of this is intended to be specific and its only an attempt to provide an idea of what should occur. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 732	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:56:00 - [2043] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Can you tell me where you saw this post? I've been reading this entire thread and keeping up to date on it and, my apologies, I do not recall Baltec or any other poster ever mentioning cutting high sec income by any specific amount, let alon 50%. Thanks! La Nariz wrote: Its an exclusive word you gain access to for paying :tenbux:. And yes it does make me cooler than you :colbert:. Yeah the highsec pubbies keep moving the goal posts and we keep calling them on it. We haven't moved our goal posts in that highsec reward is still too high for the risk posed. You want parameters okay here's parameters: -Nullsec/WH reward: 100%, -Lowsec reward: 80%, -Highsec reward 50%. There we go it balances out the risk : reward. That means the maximum a highsec player can make per hour should be half of what nullsec players make Here Assuming he believes the null rewards are close or a little just above what you can make in hi sec, then he is asking for a 50% cut of rewards in hi sec.
ashley Eoner 254	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:57:00 - [2044] - Quote La Nariz wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: Stoic proved you can make 50m an hour in highsec. That's not +110m or +180m as claimed earlier. Several of the big profit level 3 missions he ran don't even exist in level 4 form. Once again you've completely ignored the points and explanations I provided. You don't need a bling fit to massively overpower level 3s. You need a ridiculously blinged fit to somewhat overpower level 4s and even then it's still not as effective as stoic was in level 3s. Stoic was running at least 800 dps in level 3s with a range of 100 KM where as if you run a t2 marauder you're going to do about 1100 dps at shorter range. Lets take silence the informant for example. That was a profitable mission for him. level 3 = 18 ships level 4 = 52 ships The level 4 version cannot be blitzed and has almost 3x the number of ships including those with higher HP and DPS capabilities. Do you see a bit of a difference there? Okay since you asked me to look at this I'll respond to it. Where are you getting the 50m number from Stoic said and showed 110m, 101m with the warp speed/omni nerfs accounted for? Overpowering has no factor on this considering anyone can do it, its not like some stupid PVE focused MMO where only 10 or so players will get the massive phallus of boss destruction. Anyone can streamline their mission running experience and a lot of people do hence overpowering has nothing to do with it, its a strawman. Bastion mode makes your second point moot. Where does his numbers show 110? The best he got was damsel which even if ran over and over would be able net what you claim. You really think you can get the same set of three missions over and over for hours every day forever? Really? Also the level 4 version of damsel has SIGNIFICANT dps incoming if you try to blitz it where as the level 3 is basically just a walk in the park. Blitzing is about speed and having an overpowered level of dps is an important part of that speed. Also having a very fast ship. Neither of those are possible with level 4s. Note that damsel decreased in value rather shockingly when he was forced into warping just a little longer distance. Hell at this point level 3s are actually looking more attractive for blitzing then level 4s. So once again you're taking the highest number you can find and claiming that as the benchmark for highsec. WE take a goon's word that he can do +200m an hour easily in null before drops and that's just WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!.. okay ARGH SCREW YOU DRAFT SAVING CRAP!!! Keeps deleting my post when I click post now..
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1536	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:02:00 - [2045] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: Where does his numbers show 110? The best he got was damsel which even if ran over and over would be able net what you claim. You really think you can get the same set of three missions over and over for hours every day forever? Really? Also the level 4 version of damsel has SIGNIFICANT dps incoming if you try to blitz it where as the level 3 is basically just a walk in the park. Blitzing is about speed and having an overpowered level of dps is an important part of that speed. Also having a very fast ship. Neither of those are possible with level 4s. Note that damsel decreased in value rather shockingly when he was forced into warping just a little longer distance. Hell at this point level 3s are actually looking more attractive for blitzing then level 4s. ARGH SCREW YOU DRAFT SAVING CRAP!!! Keeps deleting my post when I click post now.. He says it in his posts when he is correcting someone for misrepresenting what his data shows and when he adjusted it for the omni/warp speed changes. I have no reason to doubt his credibility as he's shown no "grr goons" or "annihilate highsec." The rest of that is flailing about nothing, put forth an argument or some kind a proof with cited sources and we can get back to this. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2193	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:04:00 - [2046] - Quote This whole thread is a moot point. The next nerf of high sec is already in the can, and we get to hear about it in a few months. I mentioned it earlier, and will make the point again. Jester in his blog weeks ago danced on the edge of the NDA, stating flatly the the direction Eve was headed in was not for everyone, and too bad for the group that did not like it. Recently, he went on about a new "feature" that will anger many. Given the newest theme of CCP's, that being "the empires are losing their grasp", only someone completely obtuse, or utterly cynical, would say that the group about to get hammered with these changes is null sec. High sec is about to get slammed, hard. Very very soon, the cartel owned POCO's will be the least of the invasive attacks by null sec on high sec. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1537	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:06:00 - [2047] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This whole thread is a moot point. The next nerf of high sec is already in the can, and we get to hear about it in a few months. I mentioned it earlier, and will make the point again. Jester in his blog weeks ago danced on the edge of the NDA, stating flatly the the direction Eve was headed in was not for everyone, and too bad for the group that did not like it. Recently, he went on about a new "feature" that will anger many. Given the newest theme of CCP's, that being "the empires are losing their grasp", only someone completely obtuse, or utterly cynical, would say that the group about to get hammered with these changes is null sec. High sec is about to get slammed, hard. Very very soon, the cartel owned POCO's will be the least of the invasive attacks by null sec on high sec. dinsdale tears fofofo! This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 518	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:07:00 - [2048] - Quote Dayng, lost track of the point of all this back when the thread turned into mission runners optimisation tips. It's too hard to make isk in nullsec? You're bad, and an idiot. No really, don't even, nobody believes that. It's too easy to make isk in hisec? So what? Don't like it but can't blame the hisec permapubs. Also: 100m isk/hr? 120m isk/hr? 500m isk/hr? WOW you're doing PVE for between 4 and 15 dollars an hour. In game money only btw.If you're not in the 3rd world you are wasting your time with that. If you are why are you spending hours making play money? That gewn saying hisec is too rich is loltastic. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 39	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:08:00 - [2049] - Quote Onictus wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Onictus wrote: Considering that I made about 30mil in loot/salvage and bounties on a single mission that I completed before the bounty tick. Which mission gives you 30M in loot & salvage and 9200 LP, that you are able to complete, loot & salvage within 15 minutes? Good work getting the goods to market and sold in that time too! Yeah, ever heard of marauders. 1)Dump right in the middle of the mission 2) Bastion//tank on 3) MTU out 4) destroy all the things and salvage as the MTU pull all of the wrecks to you. 15 minute in and out usually, maybe a half hour on a long one like blockade or Extravaganza. You're forgetting once again, that marauders require years of training. I have a friend with 42m SP character. It will take him 42 (coincidence) days of training to be able to get into marauder, and 150-ish more to make it good. He also has a 35m SP character which can MAYBE get into marauder next christmas. In the drone region discussion I've had recently people were claiming they get 20m ticks with 2 Oracles. Oracles take a day to get into, 17 days to make it decent, and 69 to make it good. I won't even start with the cost difference, which in hisec is important.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 732	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:08:00 - [2050] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This whole thread is a moot point. The next nerf of high sec is already in the can, and we get to hear about it in a few months. I mentioned it earlier, and will make the point again. Jester in his blog weeks ago danced on the edge of the NDA, stating flatly the the direction Eve was headed in was not for everyone, and too bad for the group that did not like it. Recently, he went on about a new "feature" that will anger many. Given the newest theme of CCP's, that being "the empires are losing their grasp", only someone completely obtuse, or utterly cynical, would say that the group about to get hammered with these changes is null sec. High sec is about to get slammed, hard. Very very soon, the cartel owned POCO's will be the least of the invasive attacks by null sec on high sec. Can you share a link? Thanks in advance.

Pius Rova Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:10:00 - [2051] - Quote If CCP nerfed highsec the people who play exclusively in highsec would just accept the changes and keep playing exclusively in highsec until they get bored and move on to another game, while people in low/null would keep doing what they're doing and making alts to do in highsec what they usually do.... in other words nothing would happen.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 39	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:13:00 - [2052] - Quote Pius Rova wrote: If CCP nerfed highsec the people who play exclusively in highsec would just accept the changes and keep playing exclusively in highsec until they get bored and move on to another game, while people in low/null would keep doing what they're doing and making alts to do in highsec what they usually do.... in other words nothing would happen. People moving on is hardly nothing.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 946	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:18:00 - [2053] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Can you tell me where you saw this post? I've been reading this entire thread and keeping up to date on it and, my apologies, I do not recall Baltec or any other poster ever mentioning cutting high sec income by any specific amount, let alon 50%. Thanks! La Nariz wrote: Its an exclusive word you gain access to for paying :tenbux:. And yes it does make me cooler than you :colbert:. Yeah the highsec pubbies keep moving the goal posts and we keep calling them on it. We haven't moved our goal posts in that highsec reward is still too high for the risk posed. You want parameters okay here's parameters: -Nullsec/WH reward: 100%, -Lowsec reward: 80%, -Highsec reward 50%. There we go it balances out the risk : reward. That means the maximum a highsec player can make per hour should be half of what nullsec players make Here Assuming he believes the null rewards are close or a little just above what you can make in hi sec, then he is asking for a 50% cut of rewards in hi sec. The nerf would have to be done to LP. But, and this is important, less LP in the game clogs an ISK sink. I think the issue that every continues to miss is the value of LP. Even in Stoic's Escapades, 69% of the ISK he made was from LP. Anoms don't give LP unless you use an ESS. It would be interesting to take Stoic's number, reduce the bounties portion by 5% (is that still what the ESS is doing?) and give him 150-200 LP for every 1m in bounties, subtract the mission payouts and see where that puts him with ISK/hr. I was going to **** around on Sisi trying anoms but it doesn't look like bounties are paid on SIsi so I can't really get an idea on this. There are also less than 100 people so there would be no way to account for lost time due to docking up for neut or red. Anyway, carry on. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon [Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate]
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 732	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:19:00 - [2054] - Quote Pius Rova wrote: If CCP nerfed highsec the people who play exclusively in highsec would just accept the changes and keep playing exclusively in highsec until they get bored and move on to another game, while people in low/null would keep doing what they're doing and making alts to do in highsec what they usually do.... in other words nothing would happen. If it's true, then so be it. I'd like to say it won't affect me, since I do most of my playing out of hi sec. But the truth is this will affect everyone. And I think you're right. No one will play to be a victim forever. The gankers will get their ganks and laughs at first. But then it'll be back to crying and whining. Because these things, unfortunately, never end, that is, until the game ends. Some players will leave, others will adjust. But those that don't wish to be victims of ganks and grief play will learn not to be. In that respect, nothing changes, well, except there are less subscriptions to support the game. But who cares about that these days anyway.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 783	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:20:00 - [2055] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: You're forgetting once again, that marauders require years of training. Ummmm No Years of training? Are you nuts? The character driving my Golem is a year old CYNO ALT he doesn't 20mil SP and about 5 months that I wasn't training him at all looking at it now birthday 2012.09.02 Basil Pupkin wrote: I have a friend with 42m SP character. It will take him 42 (coincidence) days of training to be able to get into marauder, and 150-ish more to make it good. He also has a 35m SP character which can MAYBE get into marauder next christmas. In the drone region discussion I've had recently people were claiming they get 20m ticks with 2 Oracles. Oracles take a day to get into, 17 days to make it decent, and 69 to make it good. I won't even start with the cost difference, which in hisec is important. My maurader toon has never never needed money from this character....ever. I made the money for his CNR while waiting for the T2 launchers to finish traaining, and when I bought the Golem I could have afforded three of them at the time. ...despite the 7 billion that I have thrown back to null sec. This is 19mil SP toon, with about 7-8 months of training. Years, hell no.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1538	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:27:00 - [2056] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: Dayng, lost track of the point of all this back when the thread turned into mission runners optimisation tips. It's too hard to make isk in nullsec? You're bad, and an idiot. No really, don't even, nobody believes that. It's too easy to make isk in hisec? So what? Don't like it but can't blame the hisec permapubs. Also: 100m isk/hr? 120m isk/hr? 500m isk/hr? WOW you're doing PVE for between 4 and 15 dollars an hour. In game money only btw.If you're not in the 3rd world you are wasting your time with that. If you are why are you spending hours making play money? That gewn saying hisec is too rich is loltastic. It was a good thread that was going places until you highsec pubbies returned. This is more evidence that highsec pubbies should not be allowed to post and that the ISDs need to get goons into their ranks to clean up this cesspit. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1538	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:28:00 - [2057] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: The nerf would have to be done to LP. But, and this is important, less LP in the game clogs an ISK sink. I think the issue that every continues to miss is the value of LP. Even in Stoic's Escapades, 69% of the ISK he made was from LP. Anoms don't give LP unless you use an ESS. It would be interesting to take Stoic's number, reduce the bounties portion by 5% (is that still what the ESS is doing?) and give him 150-200 LP for every 1m in bounties, subtract the mission payouts and see where that puts him with ISK/hr. I was going to **** around on Sisi trying anoms but it doesn't look like bounties are paid on SIsi so I can't really get an idea on this. There are also less than 100 people so there would be no way to account for lost time due to docking up for neut or red. Anyway, carry on. I'm doing this already for an optimized ratting style. Keep doing the mission thing and keep posting updates here for it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Pius Rova Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:30:00 - [2058] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Some players will leave, others will adjust. But those that don't wish to be victims of ganks and grief play will learn not to be. In that respect, nothing changes, well, except there are less subscriptions to support the game. But who cares about that these days anyway. I think the power of 23 and the revenue it generates from players who want a separate alt for everything from scamming corporations to wiping their nose is CCP's answer to that. And I think that is a topic in itself, is it possible that players with too many alts, essentially countering accountability by never having all their actions directly tied to a single identity, might be negatively impacting the game? After all it's easy to gank and grief others when only one of your twenty alts will experience the repercussions and any gameplay related penalties.
EI Digin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1853	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:31:00 - [2059] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This whole thread is a moot point. The next nerf of high sec is already in the can, and we get to hear about it in a few months. I agree, it should have been locked 100 pages ago because the people with all of the information and who are the most qualified to make the decision have already made it and they aren't going to read through pages upon pages of the same arguments being debunked over and over and over and over again.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 684	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:45:00 - [2060] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: You're forgetting once again, that marauders require years of training. I have a friend with 42m SP character. It will take him 42 (coincidence) days of training to be able to get into marauder, and 150-ish more to make it good. He also has a 35m SP character which can MAYBE get into marauder next christmas. In the drone region discussion I've had recently people were claiming they get 20m ticks with 2 Oracles. Oracles take a day to get into, 17 days to make it decent, and 69 to make it good. I won't even start with the cost difference, which in hisec is important. Given that people are getting the equivalent of 35-40m ticks running SOE LP, I can't imagine there will be an attack battlecruiser stampede anytime soon.

Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2194	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:46:00 - [2061] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This whole thread is a moot point. The next nerf of high sec is already in the can, and we get to hear about it in a few months. I mentioned it earlier, and will make the point again. Jester in his blog weeks ago danced on the edge of the NDA, stating flatly the the direction Eve was headed in was not for everyone, and too bad for the group that did not like it. Recently, he went on about a new "feature" that will anger many. Given the newest theme of CCP's, that being "the empires are losing their grasp", only someone completely obtuse, or utterly cynical, would say that the group about to get hammered with these changes is null sec. High sec is about to get slammed, hard. Very very soon, the cartel owned POCO's will be the least of the invasive attacks by null sec on high sec. Can you share a link? Thanks in advance. http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/ Peruse some of his posts about the latest CSM Summit. Everything is heavily NDA'ed, but he makes it clear a game mechanic is changing that is going to anger a lot of people, and that is only a 1st step. Go back farther about a month to 6 weeks, and buried deep, you will find a post by Jester about how the new direction of Eve is not for everyone who plays now, and they will be left behind. Add in CCP's crap about the empires and crossing the Rubicon, and it is pretty clear who is losing out here. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Pinky Hops Spartan's DNA 398	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:50:00 - [2062] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/ Peruse some of his posts about the latest CSM Summit. Everything is heavily NDA'ed, but he makes it clear a game mechanic is changing that is going to anger a lot of people, and that is only a 1st step. Go back farther about a month to 6 weeks, and buried deep, you will find a post by Jester about how the new direction of Eve is not for everyone who plays now, and they will be left behind. Add in CCP's crap about the empires and crossing the Rubicon, and it is pretty clear who is losing out here. Yeah well, I for one hope it has to do with some mechanic that forcibly splits up the large nullsec coalitions that have turned all of nullsec into carebear borefest blueville. Kind of like how large monopolies/oligopolies get split up IRL. Can you imagine the tears?
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1538	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:51:00 - [2063] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/ Peruse some of his posts about the latest CSM Summit. Everything is heavily NDA'ed, but he makes it clear a game mechanic is changing that is going to anger a lot of people, and that is only a 1st step. Go back farther about a month to 6 weeks, and buried deep, you will find a post by Jester about how the new direction of Eve is not for everyone who plays now, and they will be left behind. Add in CCP's crap about the empires and crossing the Rubicon, and it is pretty clear who is losing out here. dinsdale tears fofofo! This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1538	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:54:00 - [2064] - Quote Pinky Hops wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/ Peruse some of his posts about the latest CSM Summit. Everything is heavily NDA'ed, but he makes it clear a game mechanic is changing that is going to anger a lot of people, and that is only a 1st step. Go back farther about a month to 6 weeks, and buried deep, you will find a post by Jester about how the new direction of Eve is not for everyone who plays now, and they will be left behind. Add in CCP's crap about the empires and crossing the Rubicon, and it is pretty clear who is losing out here. Yeah well, I for one hope it has to do with some mechanic that forcibly splits up the large nullsec coalitions that have turned all of nullsec into carebear borefest blueville. Kind of like how large monopolies/oligopolies get split up IRL. Can you imagine the tears? Except the bolded part doesn't actually happen and if it did concord would have to be busted first. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2194	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:54:00 - [2065] - Quote EI Digin wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This whole thread is a moot point. The next nerf of high sec is already in the can, and we get to hear about it in a few months. I agree, it should have been locked 100 pages ago because the people with all of the information and who are the most qualified to make the decision have already made it and they aren't going to read through pages upon pages of the same arguments being debunked over and over and over and over again. Then why do you keep posting? I refrained from posting in this thread for quite some time, thinking it would go away. But lo and behold the same null sec propagandists keep hammering away. I thought, what the hell, post some truths, and I can look back on them in a few months and shrug and say, well, I was right, again. I figure your plan is to keep hammering away with your lies until the changes are announced, and say , "see, all our posting made CCP make game mechanic changes as they saw the light. " But those summer changes have already been announced to the CSM, so this must be part of your propaganda campaign for the continuation of the high sec nerf with the winter changes. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2194	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:57:00 - [2066] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Pinky Hops wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/ Peruse some of his posts about the latest CSM Summit. Everything is heavily NDA'ed, but he makes it clear a game mechanic is changing that is going to anger a lot of people, and that is only a 1st step. Go back farther about a month to 6 weeks, and buried deep, you will find a post by Jester about how the new direction of Eve is not for everyone who plays now, and they will be left behind. Add in CCP's crap about the empires and crossing the Rubicon, and it is pretty clear who is losing out here. Yeah well, I for one hope it has to do with some mechanic that forcibly splits up the large nullsec coalitions that have turned all of nullsec into carebear borefest blueville. Kind of like how large monopolies/oligopolies get split up IRL. Can you imagine the tears? Except the bolded part doesn't actually happen and if it did concord would have to be busted first. You must be the worst of your entire propaganda wing. I suppose when Ma Bell in the u.s was broken up into baby bell's , that never happened. But yes, the changes coming will enhance the goons' stranglehold on the game, not weaken it. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 684	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:58:00 - [2067] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: Stoic was running at least 800 dps in level 3s with a range of 100 KM where as if you run a t2 marauder you're going to do about 1100 dps at shorter range. Lets take silence the informant for example. That was a profitable mission for him. level 3 = 18 ships level 4 = 52 ships The level 4 version cannot be blitzed and has almost 3x the number of ships including those with higher HP and DPS capabilities. Do you see a bit of a difference there? The point to running L3s, was for Stoic to prove in a thread where both he and I asserted that some moaning drake pilots had no idea how much isk could be made in L3s. They estimated 8, I'd estimated 25, he showed it to be 50. The reason why this analysis that you are trying now is bad, is because there are other blitzable L4 missions that load L4 capped LP - ie smash the supplier, which is 1 tower, that the Ishtar can blitz. There is no L3 mission that competes with that.
Pinky Hops Spartan's DNA 398	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:02:00 - [2068] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Pinky Hops wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/ Peruse some of his posts about the latest CSM Summit. Everything is heavily NDA'ed, but he makes it clear a game mechanic is changing that is going to anger a lot of people, and that is only a 1st step. Go back farther about a month to 6 weeks, and buried deep, you will find a post by Jester about how the new direction of Eve is not for everyone who plays now, and they will be left behind. Add in CCP's crap about the empires and crossing the Rubicon, and it is pretty clear who is losing out here. Yeah well, I for one hope it has to do with some mechanic that forcibly splits up the large nullsec coalitions that have turned all of nullsec into carebear borefest blueville. Kind of like how large monopolies/oligopolies get split up IRL. Can you imagine the tears? Except the bolded part doesn't actually happen and if it did concord would have to be busted first. CONCORD is the equivalent of basically the government - so no, your example does not hold.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1538	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:06:00 - [2069] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: You must be the worst of your entire propaganda wing. I suppose when Ma Bell in the u.s was broken up into baby bell's , that never happened. But yes, the changes coming will enhance the goons' stranglehold on the game, not weaken it. dinsdale tears fofofo! This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1538	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:07:00 - [2070] - Quote Pinky Hops wrote: CONCORD is the equivalent of basically the government - so no, your example does not hold. No CONCORD is a multinational corporation, so it still holds. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.



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