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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3724
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:29:00 -
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Careful now, or he'll cook up another special surprise...
More graphs!
I can't help but wonder if Ledrian (the guy who infiltrated the New Order by showering us with isk, only to steal our schedules) is actually a Gevlon alt or close relative. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:28:00 -
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Apparently, even Test can do more real damage to the Goons, by aborting a Titan and a sc...(cudos on taking the loss with aplomb). |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:32:00 -
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Goblin's Blog wrote:They are also clearly losing the Lemmings war.
Of course they won't comment: "damn, you caught us, we are going down", the keep commenting "oh, we are having fun" and "didn't want that 1B pod anyway."
On the other hand I don't doubt that many RvB member claims the above honestly. Because "friglolling scrub" is a ****** identity and "we take every fight as a content" is much better.
Goblin on RvB. Some nice diplomacy there! |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:41:00 -
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My main is in RvB, and I'm quite comfortable with my "eve identity". I gather that Gevlon can't grasp that, and well it is his loss.
Maybe I could point out that we have helped *thousands* of players learn how to PvP, far more than his miner "education" campaign... Maybe he would understand that? |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:47:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:My main is in RvB, and I'm quite comfortable with my "eve identity". I gather that Gevlon can't grasp that, and well it is his loss.
Maybe I could point out that we have helped *thousands* of players learn how to PvP, far more than his miner "education" campaign... Maybe he would understand that?
He sees people who do pvp as morons (opportunity costs) so I doubt he'd understand that. After all, every decent eve player should grind isk. You ought to be mining instead of friglolling! |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:06:00 -
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Wow. Gevlon truly is one of the dumbest people I've ever witnessed. I think I'm going to have to stop even trying to reason with that moron, as I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post. Though probably what's more scary than his utterly delusional sense of superiority is that there are actually other people dumb enough to read "we killed a handful of frigates, thus RvB will definitely die" and actually believe it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:14:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Wow. Gevlon truly is one of the dumbest people I've ever witnessed. I think I'm going to have to stop even trying to reason with that moron, as I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post. Though probably what's more scary than his utterly delusional sense of superiority is that there are actually other people dumb enough to read "we killed a handful of frigates, thus RvB will definitely die" and actually believe it.
I just read his replies to you. If I were marmite, I would start considering if incoming isk is really worth being labeled as a pet of such idiot. This is pitiful. |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
2
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:14:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Allright, for the sake of the argument and in hope of less hate, more friendly banter and fun content for all; Mister Goblin, could you please state a clear reply to following comments; - Are you a super human? - Do you believe only numbers matter in life and all social aspects are examples of stupidity of lesser beings? - If we'd ever meet, would you be able to laugh about stuff while drinking insane amounts of beer? I know I'm just a grunt but this still is important for me so I'd appreciate a reply. Yours, D. 
Well I have been reading his blog for years I can answer 1 and 2 I think. No and no. Its a core tennet of his belief system that you can educate anyone willing to try to learn. He openly says over and over "Im not special", he openly says to not praise him for making a ton of isk so fast: COPY HIM AND MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF TOO. He'll even go through it with you and clarify anything in his guides that your not clear off. He's helped alot of people in many games and he does it in the name of a randian crusade to raise us all up from a culture of dependancy, welfare and grasping.
When I get back in the morning (off to work and Im late :D), I'll google for you and quote his eulogy to maggie thatcher. It explains so much about him and yeah I can follow what hes saying. As for point 3, who knows? does he drink beer? |

Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
178
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:42:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:...I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post... I don't know you, Lucas, so I have no idea how much you had to start with. But as often as you post, you can't really afford to run a deficit!
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:47:00 -
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Manny Moons wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:...I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post... I don't know you, Lucas, so I have no idea how much you had to start with. But as often as you post, you can't really afford to run a deficit! :D How wude!
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:47:00 -
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It's a shame that he hasn't stuck to what he was good at... |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:52:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:It's a shame that he hasn't stuck to what he was good at... He's good at something? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 22:02:00 -
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Some of the advice he has provided in the past was useful. For example, he had this nifty chart showing how many catalysts it took to blow up a mining ship, depending on the fit, sec status etc. As long as you read him with a critical mind, his blog was good. But as I said earlier, it's declining and his projects are more and more ill considered. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.02.19 23:05:00 -
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Aaanyway, since RvB leadership is apparently like ****** *******, and since I'm just a lowly peon, obviously I must be this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf
Let's give it a try:
RvB has never lost a single ship! Our pocos block out the sun!!!
Hey, this is pretty fun! Thank you Gevlon!
Mittens emails me every morning! RvB has a high-sec carrier fleet! Lemmings run from us at every turn!
Oh wait, that last one was almost true. This is harder than it looks! Any tips Gevlon? |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:07:00 -
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Back to serious.
Another big hole in Gevlon's logic. He claims that Marmite and Lemmings have done 17% of all the damage to RvB in February.
He seems to believe this is meaningful... but we've been at war with Marmite, several times! The "extra losses" from Marmite has not impeded us in the past in any way.
You therefore have to look at lemmings only losses... I bet the number isn't very impressive, is it?
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:32:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:Some of the advice he has provided in the past was useful. For example, he had this nifty chart showing how many catalysts it took to blow up a mining ship, depending on the fit, sec status etc. As long as you read him with a critical mind, his blog was good. But as I said earlier, it's declining and his projects are more and more ill considered.
We broke him, sorry  "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:37:00 -
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I mean, he was never a great thinker, but when his ~big plan~ consists of an excel chart and some low SP highsec alts, you know he's half way to solitary confinement at Briarcliff Manor. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:07:00 -
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Quote: Well I have been reading his blog for years I can answer 1 and 2 I think. No and no. Its a core tennet of his belief system that you can educate anyone willing to try to learn. He openly says over and over "Im not special", he openly says to not praise him for making a ton of isk so fast: COPY HIM AND MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF TOO. He'll even go through it with you and clarify anything in his guides that your not clear off. He's helped alot of people in many games and he does it in the name of a randian crusade to raise us all up from a culture of dependancy, welfare and grasping.
When I get back in the morning (off to work and Im late :D), I'll google for you and quote his eulogy to maggie thatcher. It explains so much about him and yeah I can follow what hes saying. As for point 3, who knows? does he drink beer?
Then you haven't been reading between the lines. His "educational" system is more or less saying "look how awesome and always right I am, you should be like me". His "I'm not special" means "if you advance on the ladder I created, you can be a superior being like me". After such talks he goes to presenting (with charts!) how a group of people he targets now (socials, miners, goons, rvb) are morons and lower lifeforms, and gives "advice" how to become as awesome like he is (be antisocial, grind isk, pad your kb, fit your ship like I say, mine like I tell you, don't be an ally of goons and never ever play for fun). |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:14:00 -
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Another fine show of diplomacy, not having a superiority complex and understanding people:
gevlon wrote: vB is the most risk averse bunch in EVE. Some of them are genuine newbie who has no choice, the rest are just punks. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
788
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:17:00 -
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Danalee wrote:RVB has more to fear from other Hisec entities than it has from people who are famously allergic to everything hisec. You of all people should also know the power of propaganda. and yes, they have a minor win-win situation with goons but they jumped in that boat too fast if you ask me, they could have had much more win and goons could have had nothing (in hisec that is) As far as fighting the largest groups goes, gues we aren't as risk-averse or killboardstat fixated as you think huh, bring it  D. 
Not sure you can actually impact goons like that. The more meaningful internet spaceship shooting is happening, the more they'll show up.
In any case this isn't about pocos, its about the customers of the pocos (bears), and the CFC has 4 regions with bear space and 100 bear middle managers they can outsource newbear management to. ie if a poco became a dead loss, then the goons can literally poach the customers offering something that Gevlon can't (goons can near triple extraction efficiency per character of PI for those customers), and goons can solve logistics so its as or even more convenient than moving the goods to/from jita themselves. Not only that once they have the captive audience they can distort the captive market to attack the economic value of some pocos.
It amuses me that the game is being played along 1 (the woeful shoot goons strategy), and goons not only are completely defended against option 1, they are completely defended against option 2 (customer poaching), and option 3 (economic attack).
They can even keep RvB in the loop because RvB can easily have a corp that was in plbrd and owned whatever proportion of pocos was desired (which could then pay RvB members for recruiting-by-the-carrot, and for recruiting-by-the-stick), and then they would also have a holiday corp they can send broke but relatively trustable members temporarily to to rat.
It looks to me like RvB is doing extraction pocos (by the numbers they have), so I'd imagine me just floating the idea out there will probably get gears whirling, because there is an interesting ratio to be played with in null (larger transaction size/day per customer).
ie face it, goons can even lose the pocos and still win, and RvB would be blatheringly stupid to pick a highsec entity for this partnership because of how far they could actually take PI domination with a nullsec partner, and yes, RvBs highsec presence would be absolutely needed even if the pocos were completely lost. |
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Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:34:00 -
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Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me.
Lots of serious posting in this thread! |

FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
83
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:46:00 -
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Gevlon,
IGÇÖll make this public, since youGÇÖve decided to make nothing private.
I'm not one for forums so you probably won't see me post a response again, because I actually have a community to manage in game. Apparently you run some blog site too but i'm yet to waste my time on that.
You seem to state a lot of things that RvB leadership are planning, yet you've never asked me, or the other RvB CEO a single thing. IGÇÖm probably one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE, so donGÇÖt be afraid to simply talk to me rather than spouting haphazard rumours that make you look silly.
I must take my hat off and thank you for creating so much extra content for RvBers. Purple fleets help to solicit the community bond between both teams and they are a hell of a lot of fun (Stick a spy alt in them and enjoy our coms).
RvB obviously thoroughly enjoys PvP combat, and we take all the targets we can get. If you were not such an imbecile at the start, you could have come to us and said "hey would you like to help us shoot *Insert Any Alliance Here* for a week?" and we might have listened if it gave us good fights. We don't really care who we shoot, because we have no null-sec sovereignty to defend or tangible treaties to break. But now after your terrible management of what should have been a diplomatic war, you are left with fewer options and more opposition.
I don't really mind Marmites anymore, we have some fun tussles and they provide our pilots with lots of third party war-target content when some of our pilots want to fly together as purple and bring out the fun ships. We lose some ships to them; they lose some ships to us. Very surprisingly, RvBers have grown to enjoy Marmite combat because we get to use fun ships that we wouldnGÇÖt normally like to explode 10 times a day in normal RvB combat. I'm sure Marmites enjoy the combat just as much, given that we have some silly new members who donGÇÖt know how to use instant-undocks (You are welcome Tora). IGÇÖve learned that they are great at camping stations and trade routes; itGÇÖs not my idea of fun but good on them for doing what they do best. They also have some of the most entertaining forum trolls that IGÇÖve witnessed.
As for a 'deal' with Goonswarm, it's nothing but a mutual agreement and never will be anything more. You know, the kinds of things that two sensible and intelligent organisations perform. After our POCOs were acquired, the conversation went basically like this "If you want to help defend our POCOs, we will help defend yours. There's no obligation to come and we know there are times that you wonGÇÖt want to if you have other stuff to do". Goons know full well that RvB likes to remain as neutral as we can. But this mutual agreement makes too much sense for both RvB and Goonswarm. It originally started during the POCO implementation into EvE. Both Goons and RvB wanted as many POCOs in The Forge region as we could each get, it would be silly to spend half the acquisition time fighting each other, so we said we will try and aim for different systemsGǪ and we did just that. The whole conversation was over before you could drink a glass of Quafe.
I was hesitating whether or not it was necessary to help Goonswarm in the last POCO assistance. I was actually leaning against it, to try and find some new third party war-targetsGǪ but the response from our members suggested that they really enjoyed the last POCO defence fleets and roams, so as long as RvB members are having fun I donGÇÖt mind RvB entering the war again if Goonswarm needs assistance (they really donGÇÖt even need our help). If RvB members did not enjoy it, we would not do it; some of the members who lost expensive pods were the most vocal advocates for continuing the war. We laugh at them for losing expensive pods and they laugh too (Just probably not as much).
The killboard statistics which you seem to post. We simply donGÇÖt care. Posting an RvB war report is like posting a BNI war report. You seem to be the only person in New Eden who does not know that RvB is not playing a risk-averse PvP game here. The only time we post a killboard report is if we win against people who are trying to play an ISK efficiency game, because that stuff both amuses and surprises us.
I've come to the conclusion that you have kept this entire charade going purely because you like the attention... Honestly, thatGÇÖs my current thoughts. Otherwise, I can not see the benefits from your standpoint.
By trying to crush this 'evil Goon regime' you've gone ahead and proven that goons are not bad guys at all, and at the same time... proven what a rude ignorant person you can be.
The way I see this; Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid. RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free. Goons win. They keep their POCOs. Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave. It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.
All I can further say is that you have a lot to learn when it comes to the area of PR and running a community appropriately. If you would like to respond to me Gevlon, IGÇÖm happy to listen to your private chat in-game or on Skype. Otherwise your future public posts and questions directed at RvB command will sadly be falling on deaf ears.
Thank you again for all the PvP content, FallenTitan Blue Republic CEO
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:47:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me.
Don't tell it to your master or the funding might stop. You are here to grind numbers for pretty charts after all. |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:10:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me. Don't tell it to your master or the funding might stop. You are here to grind numbers for pretty charts after all.
But I just did 
As for why I am here, people can think what they want 
I was camping the Amarr undock anyway, in a moment of boredom, and saw I missed out on a lot of kills, so I wanted to come back  |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:14:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me. Don't tell it to your master or the funding might stop. You are here to grind numbers for pretty charts after all.
seriously, Renegade Heart, we are glad your having fun. go you!
You wont understand gevlon though until you read http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ ;particularly http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html part 1 . Let me quote you the start:
" Introducing...the Scrub The derogatory term GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.
Now, everyone begins as a poor playerGÇöit takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what youGÇÖre doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win."
Mittiani plays to win. so do the goons and so does Gevlon. He defines his fun by winning/success. If he doesn't win hes not having fun. Thats why hes so vulnerable to mockery of his goals; the easiest way to stop his rather random crusade is to slap a NOS (have I got the right fit thingy there guys?) on his morale capacator and let it run him dry. Lets face it this war will end when Gevlon gets bored with it or becomes convinced he cant win.
What was it Montolio said when he resigned Test/HBC? "it was fun until it wasn't"? |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:21:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:A scrub does not play to win.
It's funny when criminals trying to dock up, in 2 billion isk pods, get blapped by scrubs 
I hope the CFC/RvB players that care learn their instawarp/instadock bookmarks before they suffer the same fate  |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:22:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Tarojan wrote:A scrub does not play to win. It's funny when criminals trying to dock up, in 2 billion isk pods, get blapped by scrubs  I hope the CFC/RvB players that care learn their instawarp/instadock bookmarks before they suffer the same fate 
As I said: go you! |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:23:00 -
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Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html :
"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
80
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:00:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html : "I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher When he was boasting his miner ganks and claiming to be better pvper than the rest of eve, i gave him another quote:" if you need to remind people you are a lady, you aren't". He didn't get the message. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:09:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html : "I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher Pfft. Bloody Maragaret Thatcher. Thanks for wrecking the country love. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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