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Renegade Heart Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings 142	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:36:00 - [391] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Renegade Heart wrote: Xaerael Endiel wrote: Worse still, an idiot who can't spell "behaviour" or "hidey". NIce grammar you have there inb4 edit There's a grammar issue there? Edit: And didn't you leave lemmings because they were making no impact? And now you are back, even though they are doing exactly the same as they were before? I found it funny (hence the smiley) how someone of the intellectual level that would deem some person an idiot for a simple spelling error failed to post with correct grammar. The fragment quoted does not constitute a complete sentence! I don't intend to drag this post on with details as to why that is the case. Furthermore, I don't even care that much about spelling or grammar when I am judging how smart a person is. Linguistic ability is one small aspect of intelligence. As for my corp hopping, so what? I am having fun! u mad bro? why you even in lemmings anyway lucas?
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2697	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:07:00 - [392] - Quote Honestly, there's no use beating up on Marmite. Danalee is a terrible poster who imagines all his posts are master trolls, but let us not forget without Marmite there wouldn't be anyone for Gevlon to pick up big handfuls of his poopsocked ISK to throw at. We don't agree on what's fun, but we both agree taking money from a seriously disturbed stalker and using it to PVP in a PVP game is a better use than letting him jerk off to his balance instead. That he apparently isn't a bottomless pit of money and is now needing Lemmings to be part-funded by donations just means the day he stops it all comes nearer, and when he posts his "no it wasnt my fault it didnt work" post we can link him to the 512 posts where he said he would post that. Good times for all. n.b. if somehow this lasts long enough for Lemmings to try engaging with a Tengu fleet we'll get some decent fun dumpstering that, so lets all hope Gevlon holds in there. e: Oh, and when General Lemming inevitably crab-walks back to where he came from with an alliance wallet and a hangar of T3 hulls some deluded highsec grrrrGOONIES types paid for, then I will salute him. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930
Professor Clio Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 345	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:23:00 - [393] - Quote Gevlon has now declared that he will take rvbs pocos too. Unless we agree to his terms. Which he'll tell us about tomorrow. We're shaking in our boots, we really are (with laughter)
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6562	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:52:00 - [394] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: Gevlon has now declared that he will take rvbs pocos too. Unless we agree to his terms. Which he'll tell us about tomorrow. We're shaking in our boots, we really are (with laughter) is it just me or has gevlon taken the crazy up to eleven recently guess we broke his brain hi5 Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division: "We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6562	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:54:00 - [395] - Quote if i read that thing correctly gevlon is threatening that if rvb does not accept his terms he will throw even more isk down an endless hole Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division: "We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2698	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:01:00 - [396] - Quote as predicted, gevlon's "Nasty surprise" that will see their demise is some made up math and a graph hopefully now RvB know what its like to have a super-stalker following you around making demands he can't enforce "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930
Professor Clio Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 345	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:04:00 - [397] - Quote Weaselior wrote: if i read that thing correctly gevlon is threatening that if rvb does not accept his terms he will throw even more isk down an endless hole If I understand him correctly (and peering into the mind of a madman is pretty hard so I might not) we have two choices. Either we keep allying with goons or he will pay to wardec us... If he wants to add a bill a week to his expenses I suppose we can accomodate him... I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos...
Professor Clio Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 345	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:06:00 - [398] - Quote double post
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2698	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:26:00 - [399] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: double post Still more content than a Gevlon post. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930
Johan March GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 99	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:53:00 - [400] - Quote Renegade Heart wrote: SMeanwhile another RvB guy got scared after we nearly popped him as he was docking, and he left too. I guess nearly dying in a trade hub was too much for him to handle. Lemming success metrics on the Jita undock. Nearly blowing someone up. That almost got you a killmail. After Gevlon's latest literary masterpiece, I can picture him just shaking with rage that RvB et. al. don't play the game the way he wants them too. And I am filled with suspense to find out what his ~terms~ are. I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight.

mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2972	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:32:00 - [401] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: Gevlon has now declared that he will take rvbs pocos too. Unless we agree to his terms. Which he'll tell us about tomorrow. We're shaking in our boots, we really are (with laughter) Marmite & Lemmings already run away and hide from our POCOs any time outside the 2-24h in which you guys can't shoot them, I can't imagine how Gevlon thinks they'd get anything done if you could shoot them all the time. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Louis Robichaud Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 128	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:47:00 - [402] - Quote There are so many errors and head palming moments in Gevlon's latest post that I'm not entirely sure how to begin. But I'm not just going to call him a moron and walk away. Anyone can claim someone else is stupid, it doesn't make it so. NO I'm afraid I'm going to have to deconstruct this multi-layered lasagna of idiocy and demonstrate just how bad it is. There is a small chance that some of his followers, or heck, even Gevlon himself, might understand something, after all. Before I start, I'll point out that a frequent error of Gevlon is that he'll come up with say, six facts, 3 of them true, one quite insightful, and 2 completely wrong. He'll then combine them into an overall conclusion that's completely off the wall, and then wonder why it is that no one thinks his prosciutto and mothball pizza isn't well received. So let's start! 1: " This is the unique selling point of RvB: constant PvP with very low costs." This is wrong for 2 main reasons. Firs the individual cost of ships is cheap. The cumulative cost can be quite expensive. It's not uncommon for RvB to lose hundreds, even thousands of ships. Granted, you can do nothing but frigate with cheap fittings and no rigs if you want, but many players will t2-fit their ships, fly cruisers or assault frigates etc. Not so expensive for a single cruiser, but it adds up. The second thing is that RvB is much more than cheap PvP. The community is very good, newbies are welcomed, veterans are respected, we have fun events etc etc. These are probably things that Gevlon sees as insignificant, but they are not. 2: "It represents losses on Feb 15-16, the weekend when RvB dropped the war. Not only the loss % to external enemies halved, but their ship values decreased too. Why? Because when not facing real enemies, RvB can even more focus on their very cheap frig PvP.` Here we see where Gevlon takes a few facts that are correct, but then ignorantly jumps to a wrong conclusion. The reason the ship value went down is because we had a weekend-long theme called frigatus. This event was planned long before the war dropped, it was just a coincidence that it did. So of course the the value of the ships dropped, we were fighting mostly in frigates that weekend. 3: "The members are in RvB because they want to do PvP without paying ISK for it. They are playing spaceship WoW battlegrounds." Rebuffed above. And stop using WoW metaphores will you? 4: "The presence of real enemies forces them to ship up and do exactly what they wanted to get away from: losing expensive ships." You should see how freaking thrilled some of our members get when we form a purple wartarget hunting fleet. We get to fly flashier ships and explode lemmings and marmites! Sure we lose a few... but this is RvB, ALL OUR SHIPS WILL EXPLODE. 5: "I am certain that we can simply defeat them in spaceship combat." ... based on what exactly? 6: "This is why I wasn't "diplomatic" (read: beg for mercy after they attacked us when we had 50 members)." This comment I'm highlighting because how illustrative is is of Gevlon's thinking, which is very binary. Things are black or they are white. They are good or they are bad. Diplomacy is "kiss my posterior" or "beg for mercy". A more rational person would have used a more "business" approach to RvB. Something like "Guys, I don't think helping the Goons is a good deal for you, and you're in my way". Gevlon's approach has been very antagonistic, making things personal, and motivating RvB to stay in the war. This appears irrational, but since Gevlon seems to thinking a binary way, it probably makes sense to him since he can't even conceive of a nuanced approach. 7 " After they saw that the 50 turned into 150 during the first 2-weeks period, (allies are auto-dropped after 2 weeks, must rejoin manually) they announced that they'll leave the war that they "only joined for fun". After we reinforced Goon POCOs, they were ordered back to the war by their masters. " (it goes on) Gevlon's understanding of events is superficially right, but fundamentally wrong. We have a mutual defence pact with the goons. When the war auto-drops, there is no reason for us to automatically rejoin... but when you reinforce the POCOs, there is. The bad diplomacy is certainly increasing the chances we respect the pact. 8: "To give them a way out. I won't." This is irrational. You've claimed before that we were your primary obstacle to victory. 9: "We will keep reinforcing Goon POCOs. " You are aware that in less than a week, the Goons will start winding down from their war standing and will be looking for things to do hmmm? They may not need our help at all soon. 10: "If Mynnna becomes soft (or rather recognizes that a dead pet is useless) and allows them to leave, we declare on them and start taking their POCOs. " Are you saying that you want to take RvB POCOs now? See point 8. Focus on your goal Gevlon. 11: "There is only one way for RvB to leave this war: to accept my terms coming tomorrow. You'll be surprised, my terms are very nice." Wait, are you leaving us a way out, or not? This is bad writing for the sake of a cliff-hanger. No reason to wait for tomorrow. 12: Why are they not broken yet? Simple: in this February only 17% of their ISK losses came from Lemmings and Marmites. So instead of losing ships to ourselves, we lost ships to Marmites/lemmings... see point 4: ALL OUR SHIPS WILL EXPLODE. Sheesh. Tl,dr: Because Gevlon often gets some of his basics facts wrong, his overall conclusions are often wrong.
Danalee EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 518	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:49:00 - [403] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos... Wait... You guys have 310 pocos Errr.... ... That's... Yikes! In a totally unrelated question: Any CFC or RVB groups looking for a smashing, smart, good looking, witty, eloquent middle-management type of a character? D.
Louis Robichaud Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 129	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:06:00 - [404] - Quote Danalee wrote: Professor Clio wrote: I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos... Wait... You guys have 310 pocos Errr.... ... That's... Yikes! In a totally unrelated question: Any CFC or RVB groups looking for a smashing, smart, good looking, witty, eloquent middle-management type of a character? D. The willpower needed to deconstruct Gevlon's post is the willpower that allowed us to grab 310 POCOs. LOLfights in frigates is serious business ;) and you have sass, I'll give you that.
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2973	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:10:00 - [405] - Quote We only have, like, 22 or something. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Pete Butcher Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass 72	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:17:00 - [406] - Quote Rvb, I said your were going to be slapped in the face with some stats and a chart. Do you feel crushed enough, or do you want goblin to throw a pie chart at you?
Renegade Heart Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings 143	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:44:00 - [407] - Quote Johan March wrote: Renegade Heart wrote: SMeanwhile another RvB guy got scared after we nearly popped him as he was docking, and he left too. I guess nearly dying in a trade hub was too much for him to handle. Lemming success metrics on the Jita undock. Nearly blowing someone up. That almost got you a killmail. Amarr undock actually And he quit corp after, like that other guy I mentioned. There will be many more at this rate! I shudder to think what would have happened if he had got blown up, like the other ones!
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:53:00 - [408] - Quote Now if only the little green guy actually monetised his blog traffic, he could probably quit his day job. Theres almost a crazy brilliance to it. You think he plans to float it on the stock exchange?
Legedric Striker Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 26	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:04:00 - [409] - Quote Someone has to stop this! I can barely read the EVE-O forums because of all those tears in my eyes I get from all this luaghter
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 782	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:16:00 - [410] - Quote mynnna wrote: We only have, like, 22 or something. Yup. Not surprising. I could probably write down the list after a glance at dotlan and then a couple of checks. Gevlon could implement a winning strategy, and still fail at tactical, risk management and effort issues (since you guys are so far ahead of him), but right now, not even in the same postcode as a winning strategy.

Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 782	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:17:00 - [411] - Quote Tarojan wrote: Now if only the little green guy actually monetised his blog traffic, he could probably quit his day job. Theres almost a crazy brilliance to it. You think he plans to float it on the stock exchange? I'd rather he didn't. ie I'm happy to read his blog as long as he is continuing to treat EVE as a game.
Istyn Freight Club The Marmite Collective 293	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:17:00 - [412] - Quote Louis Robichaud wrote: 3: "The members are in RvB because they want to do PvP without paying ISK for it. They are playing spaceship WoW battlegrounds." Rebuffed above. And stop using WoW metaphores will you? Since when did RVB members not pay for their ships?
Pete Butcher Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass 73	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:20:00 - [413] - Quote Tauranon wrote: Tarojan wrote: Now if only the little green guy actually monetised his blog traffic, he could probably quit his day job. Theres almost a crazy brilliance to it. You think he plans to float it on the stock exchange? I'd rather he didn't. ie I'm happy to read his blog as long as he is continuing to treat EVE as a game. Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly.
Danalee EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 519	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:31:00 - [414] - Quote Pete Butcher wrote: Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly. Hey Pete, I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined? ^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront. D.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2551	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:53:00 - [415] - Quote Danalee wrote: Pete Butcher wrote: Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly. Hey Pete, I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined? ^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront. Wow, you really haven't been reading his blog long :D Not sure about Pete, but I don't really have time to go searching about (work soon) but search about his site (search bar at the top), read his posts on "M&S to play to win" (caution, that's some psychopath gibberish right there). His general feel is that you can measure everything by isk/gold and killboard stats, and people "lolling about in frigates" are just morons, while he is the highest tier of human being, the "rational". He doesn't seem to comprehend that the primary aim of a game for most people is entertainment, therefore there is no set goal. Maximizing how much we realise our opportunity cost is not important (and that I'm sure you understand, since highsec wars aren't the best way of generating isk or buffing KBs) as long as we are being entertained. Just be careful though. Many of his posts are pretty insane. Don't let it rub off on you too much :D The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Pete Butcher Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass 73	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:53:00 - [416] - Quote Danalee wrote: Pete Butcher wrote: Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly. Hey Pete, I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined? ^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront. D. I actually am a long time reader of his blog (daily amusement) and this is a notion which constantly pops up either in his posts or comments. It would take some time to dig through all he's written to find specific posts, but I urge you to start going through his pyramid of players and the definition of morons and slackers. If I recall correctly, he once said "I'm not desperate enough to play for fun" when another of his projects failed (it was either his wh experience or ganking corp). You can try to Google it. For another example, you can read about his miner ganking project. He created a corp with no services, no srp, but required members to be self sufficient and have a minimum value of miner ganks per month. And banned talking in corp chat. No, this is not a joke. Chatting in corp wasn't permitted. That's also when he started claiming to be the best pvper in eve, quite seriously. For specific quotes you can try to ask Lucas, since he's been active there for a year now, I think. Maybe he has something ready.
Pete Butcher Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass 73	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:16:00 - [417] - Quote Quote: The scrub plays not to win the game but to boost his ego: win the sympathy and or respect of his (real or imaginary) peers. Since the majority of the peers are bad in the game or not even playing, simply winning does not attract respect. His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict.
Enya Dorne 20	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:52:00 - [418] - Quote Quote: Goons are horrible people who want to hurt others not as a byproduct of competition or to force them to learn, but for tears. Really, Gevlon do you even remotely know what you are talking about?
Danalee EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 519	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:53:00 - [419] - Quote Pete Butcher wrote: Quote: The scrub plays not to win the game but to boost his ego: win the sympathy and or respect of his (real or imaginary) peers. Since the majority of the peers are bad in the game or not even playing, simply winning does not attract respect. His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict. I'm still searching but the quote you refer to is actually from an online book 'playing to win' written by a random game dev 14 years ago and has to be seen in the broader context of the book/time frame and specifically the chapter about 'the scrub' My point is: Altough he seems to agree with the content of the book the quote isn't his and it's too small a snippet to judge the thoughts behind it. I'm neither judging the merit or level of disdain in the book untill I've read all 72 pages of text which could take me a while since I've got plenty more stuff to read since I started my digging More news at 11 D.
Pete Butcher Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass 73	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:10:00 - [420] - Quote Danalee wrote: Enya Dorne wrote: "Goons are horrible people who want to hurt others not as a byproduct of competition or to force them to learn, but for tears." Isn't that a description most goons would agree with? If not, which image you think most goons would be fine with having? Pete Butcher wrote: The scrub plays not to win the game but to boost his ego: win the sympathy and or respect of his (real or imaginary) peers. Since the majority of the peers are bad in the game or not even playing, simply winning does not attract respect. His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict. I'm still searching but the quote you refer to is actually from an online book 'playing to win' written by a random game dev 14 years ago and has to be seen in the broader context of the book/time frame and specifically the chapter about 'the scrub' My point is: Altough he seems to agree with the content of the book the quote isn't his and it's too small a snippet to judge the thoughts behind it. I'm neither judging the merit or level of disdain in the book untill I've read all 72 pages of text which could take me a while since I've got plenty more stuff to read since I started my digging More news at 11 D. [/quote] It may be from some book, but that doesn't make it less ******** in the context he uses it. If you read his posts long enough, you'll see he legitimately thinks he is superior to all of us. Everyone who disagrees is labeled a moron. He even said he treats posts which disagree with him as spam, because he cannot see being wrong. If you have some free time and willpower to resist his sociopathic spergings, read his posts and comments. The fun thing is that he treats people who roam in ships as morons, since they could be grinding isk (opportunity costs) and people who fleet up double morons since they waste time to form up and they're being social (social is BAD). Does it make lemmings triple morons by their masters standards?



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