You have nothing but weak spots.

I might join if they get a cool alliance logo...

We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap Might be to late already.

Who are you again

]The obscure part isn't the actual wardec transference. The obscure part is that when the corp transferred to the other alliance, a notification stating "surrender" was sent. I don't think I've seen that written anywhere, and it certainly makes no sense, since there's been no surrender of any kind. So yes, it's obscure.

Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already!

As I expected, an irrelevant alt. Move along kid.

We are receiving the first Goon alt alliance names now. Thanks and keep sending them.

Gevlon's main logical hurdle is that he simply can't (or won't) recognise that damage to individual members is different than damage to the alliance. Worse still, he quotes incidents of damage to the alliance as a basis of comparison.

So to math what he is really doing you need to start at member wallets. As of 2012, the average wallet of an active character was 500mil ISK. I'll be generous and say that the average 0.0 resident is equal to a highsec one (though this is very unlikely) and leave the results as a "best case" scenario.

If you multiply that out to our alliance, that's a 6 trillion ISK pool of liquid ISK. (This ignores that we have many of the very richest players in our ranks, with trillions each to their name.)

If you look at the CFC, that's over 13 trillion.

Remember this is just liquid ISK in the wallet, not counting assets, market escrow, etc.

Gevlon's best-case, super inflated numbers, show 125bil in damages over a month.

Per member, then, he was doing ~4.5mil in damage. Less than 1% of the average wallet. When we say the damage he does is a rounding error, we mean it literally.

In terms of recouping losses, it takes between 2-5minutes on average per member to replace the damage he does in a whole month.

I don't know what percentage of Gevlon's wallet 4bil per week is, but it's safe to assume it's more than ~0.25%

He's locked himself into a war of attrition against an entity that can take several orders of magnitude more damage than he can. All that remains to be seen is if he bankrupts himself, or he puts an end to it, claiming success and blaming other people for not achieving his original aims.

Odds are he stops in a few weeks, with something like "I proved one person can do x-bil damage to Goons, now it's time for people to stop being morons and slackers, and to rise up against them!"

If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.


D.

What goes up must come down!

You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying.

And I congratulated you guys with that... What I didn't do was pull a nullbear and jump up and down claiming you didn't damage me/us. Also, note the VERY UNLIKELY part

D.

Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.

How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem.

And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong

Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.

Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.

Ok, if you insist... There is this one (very tenacious)

Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks.

GåôGåôGåô All trolling aside, if you give 10 million to RVB, it helps the entire group of people that is RVB. Thanks for proving my point.

This thread delivers almost daily...

I love uneducated people trying to prove stuff with limited understanding of statistics.

Protip #1: Anyone using Excel for that purpose is to be laughed at and publicly shamed.

Offtopic: I once donated 10mil ISK to RvB. Please make a fancy chart explaining how every single RvB kill is now my doing.

And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong

You fail again - i'm not an alt and I'm in no way connected to goons. Since you're responding, it must also mean I'm not that irrelevant to you. That's the logic of your orc master, so it cannot be wrong.
Funny how literally everything you wrote is a failure

Consider this in regards to what affects 0.0 alliances: recently Pandemic Legion and NC. lost some 59 titans- mostly between the two of them, along with over 300 dreads 100 carriers and 10ish supers. This loss was catastrophic enough for them to pull out of a war they were doing pretty good in and go huddle in the drone regions- repo all their allies space and go ride bikes.

Somebody would have to do something like this to GSF to be able to say: "Yeah that had an effect."

Killing dudes in highsec will never affect any 0.0 alliance, even when Miniluv intercepts a load of ships on the way to the warzone, they just buy and ship more. Wardecs dont affect 0.0 alliances, killing noobships and shuttles on undocks doesnt affect 0.0 alliances. Killing some idiot in a T3 or a Vindi in Balle doesnt affect 0.0 alliances.

20b, 50b, 100b, 500b per month in individual kills or losses or 'supposed' damage done doesnt even affect 0.0 alliances because idiots who die in dumb ways and outside of specific areas do not qualify for reimbursement so alliance coffers are always unaffected.

GSF will be around 5 years from now and Marmite will not. Some new alliance will wear the highsec 'mercenary' mantle and declare a forever war of success based upon safe and risk-free pvp just like all those that have come before.

ust because you write something doesn't make it true.

Let me handle the logic, I am much better at it

If they lose enough, they will leave. If they leave, CFC alliances will lose players and income. Less income is even less players.

Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right?