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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:02:00 -
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Highsec wardec corps still remember fondly of the Jade Constantine war, when they could join as allies against Goons and farm them. CCP fixed the ability of locking the aggressor into war and Goons are cautious in wardeccing ever since. Of course you can wardec Goons... for 500M/week. Same for RvB: while they are the dream target of every highsec PvPer, they can only be decced for 2x500M/week due to their size.
But today Christmas came very early. 3 weeks ago, I started a project, a ragtag alliance that invites every warm body to attack GSF. This alliance grew to 190 men in just 3 weeks and reinforced Goon POCOs. To avoid losing their money print POCOs near Jita, Goons commanded their highsec pet RvB to join in the war and defend them. 98% of Lemming losses are to RvB as Goons suck unless they are 10x outnumbering. Still, the everyone is invited alliance is 15.6B vs 7.7B in ISK damage.
Then yesterday - despite Goons trolled in 52 pages that it won't ever happen - the first Goon POCO fell. To salvage the disaster, Mynnna himself planted a new POCO on an altcorp. This belongs to the 8-men alliance "Goon Capital" that was instantly wardecced, so they can't transfer the POCO. As they clearly can't hold it, RvB was commanded to jump in as allies.
So here is your chance! Now you can get into the massacre of bees and pets without joining the Lemmings! Just wardec this 8-man corp, shoot their POCO in Perimiter until RvB and Goons join the war as allies to defend it, then slaughter them like the vermin they are!
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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
575
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:10:00 -
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I'll bet 50 mil on this :) jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :) |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
334
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:18:00 -
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Come on man. Isn't one thread enough?
You dropped one goonswarm POCO. They own half the damn map. Your effort to make a statement is commendable, but it simply doesn't hurt them. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Enya Dorne
9
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Posted - 2014.02.01 07:04:00 -
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Why do we need another abhorrent thread about you tossing your cookies, I have an idea Gevlon maybe you should help N3/PL out with some funds |

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2014.02.01 08:19:00 -
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The other thread is about joining a corp or alliance. This thread is for independent corps/alliances who do not wish to join, but want to kick Goons (or just want to kick anyone). |

Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9481
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Posted - 2014.02.01 08:41:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote: 3 weeks ago, I started a projectThen yesterday the first Goon POCO fell.
Took you 3 weeks to kill 1 POCO eh?  "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
452
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:16:00 -
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Kryptik Kai wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote: 3 weeks ago, I started a projectThen yesterday the first Goon POCO fell. Took you 3 weeks to kill 1 POCO eh? 
Well, in Lemming's defence, 30billion killed and you guys better be ready for a few months of purple nurple bullcrap 
D.
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Powers Sa
871
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:31:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:But today Christmas came very early. 3 weeks ago, I started a project, a ragtag alliance that invites every warm body to attack GSF. This alliance grew to 190 men in just 3 weeks and reinforced Goon POCOs. To avoid losing their money print POCOs near Jita, Goons commanded their highsec pet RvB to join in the war and defend them. 98% of Lemming losses are to RvB as Goons suck unless they are 10x outnumbering. Still, the everyone is invited alliance is 15.6B vs 7.7B in ISK damage. Hi we lost 0 money and one of my 70 replacement pocos on reserve was immediately replaced on the spot, much to your rage in local. lol |

Saeger1737
Pod Repo Path of Destruction.
508
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:40:00 -
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3 weeks one poco? Only like 3000 more to go, you'll be doing this for 9000 weeks at this rate, Or 173.14 years think you need to speed things up... Obviously your horrid at this game. |

Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:43:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:3 weeks one poco? Only like 3000 more to go, you'll be doing this for 9000 weeks at this rate, Or 173.14 years think you need to speed things up... Obviously your horrid at this game.
Have you considered joining RVB? You can then shoot this imbecile for free. |
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Saeger1737
Pod Repo Path of Destruction.
534
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:52:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:3 weeks one poco? Only like 3000 more to go, you'll be doing this for 9000 weeks at this rate, Or 173.14 years think you need to speed things up... Obviously your horrid at this game. Have you considered joining RVB? You can then shoot this imbecile for free.
Why would I join rvb when my merc corp is ripping marmite and soon lemmings from stem to stern?
Besides I was already in Red Fed, kick ass RVB!! |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2594
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:40:00 -
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If there a reason you couldn't keep your "wardec goons! grrrrrr!" into one thread?
This isn't a unique idea even unto your own ideas. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2594
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:45:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:98% of Lemming losses are to RvB as Goons suck unless they are 10x outnumbering
Yeah, except that's not even true as demonstrated by yesterday. We had roughly equal numbers to Marmite and were looking to fight them but they instead sat and shot the poco whilst aligned out, and then ran for the nearest station when we showed up.
It's cute you think Jita campers are a useful entity to do this with. If they actually went for objectives instead of sitting in Jita you'd see them with significant losses. But, they can't accept any risk at all and so won't fight.
n.b. we predicted your smug at us losing one POCO, but your guys (of course) don't know what they're doing and we have one there which is back to printing ISK for us.
n.b.b. so much for "as soon as RvB isn't there all goon POCOs die" because RvB weren't there and we still contol every POCO we did before. What up~~ "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2594
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:54:00 -
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Gevlon did you consider the opportunity cost of reading and replying in TWO threads instead of one?
Seems like you just doubled the amount of time you lost there buddy. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1912
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Posted - 2014.02.01 11:12:00 -
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Mr. Goblin, why don't you use your funds to provide Pandemic Legion with a couple of new Titans?
As a generous person, I'd be happy to assist you in this endeavour by acting as a third party to the trade at no charge to you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec outside rookie systems, obey the New Haliama Code of Conduct or else the New Order will gank you. www.minerbumping.com for more info. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
453
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Posted - 2014.02.01 11:49:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote: Hi we lost 0 money and one of my 70 replacement pocos on reserve was immediately dropped on the spot, much to your rage in local.
Yes! Everyone knows stuff you bought beforehand and forming alliances is completely free! While we did consider having the Orca that sat there suicide ganked it proved harder to do than expected, not a single goon was to be found to do the dirty 
But than, in a rare moment of clarity, we wardecced said orca pilot's corp which opened up quite a bit of new possibilities for us. So thanks for that At least we didn't fly arround Jita and the pipes for nothing... oh wait 
D.

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Enya Dorne
11
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Posted - 2014.02.01 12:06:00 -
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How long till Gevlon makes another thread about the same topic, just now people don't have to read 50+ pages of stupid?
Like this thread does not contain more information about your "cause". |

Davish Krail
65
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Posted - 2014.02.01 12:13:00 -
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannh+ñuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. |

Powers Sa
873
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Posted - 2014.02.01 12:40:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Powers Sa wrote: Hi we lost 0 money and one of my 70 replacement pocos on reserve was immediately dropped on the spot, much to your rage in local.
Yes! Everyone knows stuff you bought beforehand and forming alliances is completely free! While we did consider having the Orca that sat there suicide ganked it proved harder to do than expected, not a single goon was to be found to do the dirty  But than, in a rare moment of clarity, we wardecced said orca pilot's corp which opened up quite a bit of new possibilities for us. So thanks for that  At least we didn't fly arround Jita and the pipes for nothing... oh wait  D.  for about as long as it takes to move it in alliance and transfer it to waffe. which is like 24-48 hours. lol |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
453
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Posted - 2014.02.01 12:46:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote: for about as long as it takes to move it in alliance and transfer it to waffe. which is like 24-48 hours.
What? Wars don't transfer over from corp to an alliance anymore? Another thing goons cried about, I'm sure GRRRR! 
Edit: I should Learn2eve
D.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2014.02.01 13:43:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: It's cute you think Jita campers are a useful entity to do this with. If they actually went for objectives instead of sitting in Jita you'd see them with significant losses. But, they can't accept any risk at all and so won't fight.
Oh noes, what a shame! They have no e-honor, unlike the prestigious Band of Bees alliance! If Marmite is so shameful, those Lemmings must be even worse. They might even blob. Or pod! Horrible times.
Maybe the honorable players of EVE who take the game seriously should give the call "There are no Marmites! |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6289
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Posted - 2014.02.01 14:17:00 -
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"goons forgot what time it was and then 0wned me as soon as they woke up"
"really, we're winning" Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6289
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Posted - 2014.02.01 14:18:00 -
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gevlon: so incompetent he can't beat a single goon in an orca even when the rest of goonswarm is napping Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
597
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Posted - 2014.02.01 16:11:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:If Marmite is so shameful, those Lemmings must be even worse. They might even blob. Or pod! Horrible times. Marmite is, indeed, shameful but at least they didn't go on a "low sec roam" the second the POCOs came out of reinforce like your Lemmings did. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
453
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:06:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:If Marmite is so shameful, those Lemmings must be even worse. They might even blob. Or pod! Horrible times. Marmite is, indeed, shameful but at least they didn't go on a "low sec roam" the second the POCOs came out of reinforce like your Lemmings did.
Well, now RVB is comming to the rescue of gewns again, we'll be nowhere to be seen! Them RVBee's are scary yaknow, they know how to do stuff in hisec.
D.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
601
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:11:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Well, now RVB is comming to the rescue of gewns again, we'll be nowhere to be seen! I'm sure you'll be found on the Jita 4-4 undock.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

Usman Bello
United States of Winning
31
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:40:00 -
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Top of the day to you, good Gewnsirs and madams!
I have decided to take up arms against you as well and shall avenge the RvB regime's ongoing aggression against the fluffy things. Exploding shall commence as of tomorrow and it shall be glorious!
Exploding POCOs are the best POCOs!
http://unitedstatesofwinning.ytmnd.com/ |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4544
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:52:00 -
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'We killed 1 POCO then ran away, what a disaster for Goonswarm!' This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
837
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:00:00 -
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I was told, Goonswarm came to late (what a surprise), Lost a poco that never could be taken, Goon scout checked poco and got popped and podded, RvB fleet showed up for nothing and got blue balled, Goons ****** up and got shot by Concord, More Goons got popped after 10+ kill rights were activated, Marmites and Lemmings left bored and Goons were so annoyed that all they could do is spam local. Then had to go back to 00 land, to do it all over again in a few days.
I hope RvB is enjoying this 100% purple fleet from here on. Cuz that's all RvB will be for a longggg time. RvB used to be a great alliance, but your deal with Goonswarm is ******* that up big-time. What a shame Don't want to stay purple and have 280398 rules, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters in 'Darwins Lemmings'.
The joy, great victory, congrats  YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6293
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:08:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I was told, Goonswarm came to late (what a surprise), Lost a poco that never could be taken, Goon scout checked poco and got popped and podded, RvB fleet showed up for nothing and got blue balled, Goons ****** up and got shot by Concord, More Goons got popped after 10+ kill rights were activated, Marmites and Lemmings left bored and Goons were so annoyed that all they could do is spam local. Then had to go back to 00 land, to do it all over again in a few days. I hope RvB is enjoying this 100% purple fleet from here on. Cuz that's all RvB will be for a longggg time. RvB used to be a great alliance, but your deal with Goonswarm is ******* that up big-time. What a shame  Don't want to stay purple and have 280398 rules, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters in 'Darwins Lemmings'. The joy, great victory, congrats  thats a lot of words for "managed to fail to take a single poco"
lawl Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
837
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:11:00 -
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You just failed because you didn't destroy every hulk in Niarja. YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3423
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:37:00 -
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I like the part where Gevlon said in his blog that he's deleting comments that he disagrees with. Countless others were not approved.
On the other hand, intelligence reports that many more pocos have gone into reinforcement.
I think the only solution here is for Gevlon to throw untold billions at this project, forever, until he achieves a victory. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
608
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:42:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I was told, Goonswarm came to late (what a surprise), Lost a poco that never could be taken, Goon scout checked poco and got popped and podded, RvB fleet showed up for nothing and got blue balled, Goons ****** up and got shot by Concord, More Goons got popped after 10+ kill rights were activated, Marmites and Lemmings left bored and Goons were so annoyed that all they could do is spam local. Then had to go back to 00 land, to do it all over again in a few days. I hope RvB is enjoying this 100% purple fleet from here on. Cuz that's all RvB will be for a longggg time. RvB used to be a great alliance, but your deal with Goonswarm is ******* that up big-time. What a shame  Don't want to stay purple and have 280398 rules, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters in 'Darwins Lemmings'. The joy, great victory, congrats  We lost more ships to highsec mechanics than we did to Marmite. Highsec is scary. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2917
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:01:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:I was told, Goonswarm came to late (what a surprise), Lost a poco that never could be taken, Goon scout checked poco and got popped and podded, RvB fleet showed up for nothing and got blue balled, Goons ****** up and got shot by Concord, More Goons got popped after 10+ kill rights were activated, Marmites and Lemmings left bored and Goons were so annoyed that all they could do is spam local. Then had to go back to 00 land, to do it all over again in a few days. I hope RvB is enjoying this 100% purple fleet from here on. Cuz that's all RvB will be for a longggg time. RvB used to be a great alliance, but your deal with Goonswarm is ******* that up big-time. What a shame  Don't want to stay purple and have 280398 rules, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters in 'Darwins Lemmings'. The joy, great victory, congrats  thats a lot of words for "managed to fail to take a single poco" lawl
[00:24:19] Tora Bushido > Came for a fight with goons, left disapointed
Of course, once the fleet did show up, y'all cowered on the undock of a station and refused to engage.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
756
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:05:00 -
[35] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Gevlon did you consider the opportunity cost of reading and replying in TWO threads instead of one?
Behold the master plan of Gevlon Goofus in all its splendour! He's going to forum post Goonswarm into submission!  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
307
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:18:00 -
[36] - Quote
Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6297
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:19:00 -
[37] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered. but in the interim, gevlon will have wasted other people's money along with the 2b a week he wastes on us
really, he's winning Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
455
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:32:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered.
Wow man, such knowledge... That's a mouth full right there! You learned all that from roleplaying wargames or did your goon holders have to draw a nice little picture for you?
Too bad you lot have to find ways to circumvent game mechanics to keep a semblance of control going  If you are so great, why do you have to do all those tricks? Wasn't it impossible to destroy a poco?
*** Good guys 1 - nullbears & pets 0 ***
D.
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Davish Krail
68
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:34:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:You just failed because you didn't destroy every hulk in Niarja.
I could explain how your argument is a strawman but I'd pretty much be wasting my time so I'll respond with the following statement.
I was also going to do some witty **** with one of your previous comments but it was so terrible I decided against it.
Anyway, here it is; "Marmites are pretty bad" - Davish Krail, 2014 |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
308
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:37:00 -
[40] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered. Wow man, such knowledge... That's a mouth full right there! You learned all that from roleplaying wargames or did your goon holders have to draw a nice little picture for you? Too bad you lot have to find ways to circumvent game mechanics to keep a semblance of control going  If you are so great, why do you have to do all those tricks? Wasn't it impossible to destroy a poco? *** Good guys 1 - nullbears & pets 0 *** D. 
Did I use words that were too complicated for you to wrap your tiny mind around? I am a professor I'm usually good at explaining things. |
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jack1974
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
Are we really on the subject of isk? Goons of all people, especially after B-R, should understand that some people don't worry about price tags when it comes to fun.
Enjoy the spotlight. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
455
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:48:00 -
[42] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered. Wow man, such knowledge... That's a mouth full right there! You learned all that from roleplaying wargames or did your goon holders have to draw a nice little picture for you? Too bad you lot have to find ways to circumvent game mechanics to keep a semblance of control going  If you are so great, why do you have to do all those tricks? Wasn't it impossible to destroy a poco? *** Good guys 1 - nullbears & pets 0 *** D.  Did I use words that were too complicated for you to wrap your tiny mind around? I am a professor I'm usually good at explaining things.
Yes yes, they call nannies professor nowadays huh... Might want to work on your comebacks if you ever want to be a real professor little buddy 
No comments on the circumventing of game mechanics to rescue undestroyable pocos I see. OK, noted professor.
D.
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
308
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:35:00 -
[43] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered. Wow man, such knowledge... That's a mouth full right there! You learned all that from roleplaying wargames or did your goon holders have to draw a nice little picture for you? Too bad you lot have to find ways to circumvent game mechanics to keep a semblance of control going  If you are so great, why do you have to do all those tricks? Wasn't it impossible to destroy a poco? *** Good guys 1 - nullbears & pets 0 *** D.  Did I use words that were too complicated for you to wrap your tiny mind around? I am a professor I'm usually good at explaining things. Yes yes, they call nannies professor nowadays huh... Might want to work on your comebacks if you ever want to be a real professor little buddy  No comments on the circumventing of game mechanics to rescue undestroyable pocos I see. OK, noted professor. D. 
This is unintentionally hilarious. I actually am a real professor. Bonus points if you can guess of what. (I'll give you a hint, it has to do with the second part of my character name) |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
455
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:47:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote: This is unintentionally hilarious. I actually am a real professor. Bonus points if you can guess of what. (I'll give you a hint, it has to do with the second part of my character name)
I know right, a history professor not seeing the irony of bold claims in the past and ignoring present facts... Who'd have guessed?
D.
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
308
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Posted - 2014.02.01 23:05:00 -
[45] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote: This is unintentionally hilarious. I actually am a real professor. Bonus points if you can guess of what. (I'll give you a hint, it has to do with the second part of my character name)
I know right, a history professor not seeing the irony of bold claims in the past and ignoring present facts... Who'd have guessed? D. 
I try to keep my real and fake personas separate. I'm going to guess/hope you're much smarter in real life than you appear on forums. |

Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
457
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Posted - 2014.02.01 23:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote: This is unintentionally hilarious. I actually am a real professor. Bonus points if you can guess of what. (I'll give you a hint, it has to do with the second part of my character name)
I know right, a history professor not seeing the irony of bold claims in the past and ignoring present facts... Who'd have guessed? D.  I try to keep my real and fake personas separate. I'm going to guess/hope you're much smarter in real life than you appear on forums.
Came thinking The prof would know how to fix my ****** renault clio. Left thinking I need sapphire mirrors 
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek. CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt. Damm you CCP for making me re-sub-á |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2606
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Posted - 2014.02.01 23:32:00 -
[47] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Oh noes, what a shame! They have no e-honor, unlike the prestigious Band of Bees alliance!
No ehonoUre~~ needed when you're winning erryday and there's nothing you can do about it except move your goalposts further towards "doing nothing is winning". "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6302
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:43:00 -
[48] - Quote
jack1974 wrote:Are we really on the subject of isk? Goons of all people, especially after B-R, should understand that some people don't worry about price tags when it comes to fun.
Enjoy the spotlight. have you never read gevlons blog or anything he's ever posted
i dont think he talks about anything else Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
Hey "Professor" Clio, I wonder how Hormone1971 (a fellow RvB member) feels about your decision to wardec The Marmite Collective in "search of good fights" (doublespeak for "Mynnna's orders").
Hint: look him up on the killboard.
And true, Goons can evacuate the POCO into GSF (inheriting all wars), but the old alliance (unless disbanded and recreated for 1B) is still in war with Marmite and you are still locked into that war.
Also, if someone pays the 500M/week to wardec Goons, they get Red and Blue for free as war target, as soon as they reinforce a POCO. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2919
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:23:00 -
[50] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:And true, Goons can evacuate the POCO into GSF (inheriting all wars), but the old alliance (unless disbanded and recreated for 1B) is still in war with Marmite and you are still locked into that war.
Oh no, not my trade corp. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2496
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Posted - 2014.02.02 05:11:00 -
[51] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Hey "Professor" Clio, I wonder how Hormone1971 (a fellow RvB member) feels about your decision to wardec The Marmite Collective in "search of good fights" (doublespeak for "Mynnna's orders").
Hint: look him up on the killboard. I imagine he must have dropped to the floor and started convulsing and screaming "why me?!?!?" Alternatively, he probably didn't give a shite. Losses happen. If he cared about his pod that much, he'd +1 a scout to avoid war targets. It's not the first time they've been at war (in fact, it's not the first time they've been at war with Marmite), so stop making out like the members are all flailing around crying over a handful of station campers.
At the end of the day, you post this stuff to stroke your epeen. Like always, you pick whatever metric makes you feel best about yourself rather than what is relevant to the situation. Strategic results are what are important, and there are none of those. You've essentially paid billions for Marmite to create a subgroup made up of the exact type of people you claim to hate.
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Also, if someone pays the 500M/week to wardec Goons, they get Red and Blue for free as war target, as soon as they reinforce a POCO. Gee wizz! Can they really?!?!?! There was me thinking people could just, you know, fly into null sec and shoot at people for free.
Face it, your idea of "dec the goons + RvB for 50M" fell apart because you didn't understand the game mechanics. Take the first step in bettering yourself and gracefully admit your failing without making excuses or trying to change the parameters of your statement. Honestly and sincerely. You'll feel better once you realise that it's OK to be wrong. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.02.02 05:48:00 -
[52] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: Face it, your idea of "dec the goons + RvB for 50M" fell apart because you didn't understand the game mechanics. Take the first step in bettering yourself and gracefully admit your failing without making excuses or trying to change the parameters of your statement. Honestly and sincerely. You'll feel better once you realise that it's OK to be wrong.
Actually it just creates a window. After the new POCO is planted by a dummy corp, the corp must be decced for 50M before it moves to GSF. Then GSF inherits your war and you can shoot Goons for a week (next week the war cost will be 500M).
If you shoot a Goon POCO, you instantly get RvB as war target too. After RvB decced Marmite, their "we just wanted Good fights" nonsense fell apart. No one in his right mind can claim you can get good fights from Marmite.
So yes, the statement "you can get Goons + RvB for 50M/week forever" is not true. The true statement is "you can get Goons + RvB for 500M/week forever and you can make it 50M for the first week". Assuming Mynnna remains busy planting new POCOs, you can just drop the Goon war and restart after a day using his next dummy corp for 50M.
My question of "how does Hormone1971 feels" is to be read "I wonder how RvB crew feels about their directorate starting a war against the worst highsec gankers and perspectively against anyone who decs GSF, making them farmed horribly". Remember that even the most horrible highsec PvP crew, Lemmings (who literally take every warm body) can achieve 2:1 damage:loss against RvB, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what will happen if someone competent gets into war with them.
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Leigh Akiga
My Highsec Backbone
542
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Posted - 2014.02.02 06:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Why does this fool think that an alliance like RVB that stays permanently at war in the interest of pvp is inconvenienced by...more war and more pvp? |

zyalino
NORDIC COMPANY Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
8
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Posted - 2014.02.02 07:33:00 -
[54] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:Why does this fool think that an alliance like RVB that stays permanently at war in the interest of pvp is inconvenienced by...more war and more pvp?
because the originaly cool thing about rvb was, that you could keep your pod, and enjoy a fair fight in the afternoon while not having to worry about just anything.
yep, rvb will continue to exist, it will grow into a serious hs alliance. but, the original idea behind it is dead.
where exactly would they play 1v1 frig fighting if their 1v1 system is camped? where and how will they do their ffa's, if the ffa system is camped? etc pp
it once was a really cool thing. whatever |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
35
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Posted - 2014.02.02 08:56:00 -
[55] - Quote
Everyday i asked goblin on his blog what objectives he achieved. Never was the comment allowed. That suggests, at least partially, he understands how much he fails at this game. On the other hand, his constant stream of shitposting implies he's either too stubborn to accept defeat or really believes he can claim victory by moving objectives. Either way, it's quite entertaining. Somewhere he posted that in war only results matter. Well goons still have the same number of pocos and goblins wallet is depleting. Quite a result indeed. |

Saeger1737
Pod Repo Path of Destruction.
538
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Posted - 2014.02.02 08:59:00 -
[56] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Hey "Professor" Clio, I wonder how Hormone1971 (a fellow RvB member) feels about your decision to wardec The Marmite Collective in "search of good fights" (doublespeak for "Mynnna's orders").
Hint: look him up on the killboard.
And true, Goons can evacuate the POCO into GSF (inheriting all wars), but the old alliance (unless disbanded and recreated for 1B) is still in war with Marmite and you are still locked into that war.
Also, if someone pays the 500M/week to wardec Goons, they get Red and Blue for free as war target, as soon as they reinforce a POCO.
Anyone can beat marmite, my alliance is destroying them its not hard. Sadly gelvon isk thumping carebears with a chip on their shoulder and a tampon for brains need not to worry about the way the world of warfare works since your in a NPC corp and refuses to grow a set and fight on the front lines. Think you and tora have more in common everyday. |

Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
49
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Posted - 2014.02.02 08:59:00 -
[57] - Quote
This was a pretty long read for what basically amounts to: "Random 3rd parties spend personal money and tears on free RvB content creation." |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
456
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Posted - 2014.02.02 09:41:00 -
[58] - Quote
Pew Terror wrote:This was a pretty long read for what basically amounts to: "Random 3rd parties spend personal money and tears on free RvB content creation."
Someone's laughing... But it ain't rvbee  To quote Mangala Solaris > FUCKFUCKUFCKUFCKUFCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK
D.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
2020
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Posted - 2014.02.02 09:46:00 -
[59] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:jack1974 wrote:Are we really on the subject of isk? Goons of all people, especially after B-R, should understand that some people don't worry about price tags when it comes to fun.
Enjoy the spotlight. have you never read gevlons blog or anything he's ever posted i dont think he talks about anything else
Well he also talks about ganking miners .... and uhm ... uhm .... yeah that basically . 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2607
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Posted - 2014.02.02 13:17:00 -
[60] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:Why does this fool think that an alliance like RVB that stays permanently at war in the interest of pvp is inconvenienced by...more war and more pvp? He can't work it out because he doesn't understand people.
I have an alt in RvB and it's 99% business as usual, 1% bothering with any other wardeccers, to which both is offered the same amount of fun. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is happening by the perfect-actors in his head.
Pete Butcher wrote:Somewhere he posted that in war only results matter. Well goons still have the same number of pocos and goblins wallet is depleting. Quite a result indeed. Dead goon ships are pure ROI according to his numbers. That means, if we lose a 100mil pod, Gevlon perceives that as 100mil returned to him.
Basically the same thing - he changes the metrics of what he's measuring to try to make it look like it's working. He is however 0% towards meeting his goal. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
309
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Posted - 2014.02.02 15:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pew Terror wrote:This was a pretty long read for what basically amounts to: "Random 3rd parties spend personal money and tears on free RvB content creation." Someone's laughing... But it ain't rvbee  To quote Mangala Solaris > FUCKFUCKUFCKUFCKUFCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK D. 
Meh, Marmite's efficiency against RvB (going by your own KB campaign) is 59%, not exactly something to brag about. You've lost close to a billion just today. |

Leigh Akiga
My Highsec Backbone
542
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Meh, Marmite's efficiency against RvB (going by your own KB campaign) is 59%, not exactly something to brag about. You've lost close to a billion just today.
I'm sure that can be spun as a victory for Marmite with enough emoticons, memes, ROI, opportunity cost or KDR talk.
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Xiderpunk
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
12
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Posted - 2014.02.02 17:39:00 -
[63] - Quote
This like the other thread is interesting read, if for no other reason than the amount of vitriol directed towards Mr Goblin. Generally I guess it works like this.. content creators (which Mr Goblin unarguably is!) are to be thanked and applauded except when that content is directed at you, then they must be vilified and crushed beneath the weight of 1000's of mocking posts.
The POCO's whilst I dare say add a fair chunk of income for Mr Mittani, are probably chump change compared to their income from their nullsec renters and R64's.
There are some really nice areas of space in Fountain and Vale of the Silent which provide this income. I recommend visiting that space and enjoying the view, bringing a cloak and a covert cyno is also well worth it. There is a great many BLOPS gangs who are extremely bored and would dearly love for some content.
If you want to 'war goons!' seems to me that would be the most effective way to do so.. and best of all it's free! |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2607
|
Posted - 2014.02.02 17:58:00 -
[64] - Quote
Xiderpunk wrote:There are some really nice areas of space in Fountain and Vale of the Silent which provide this income. I recommend visiting that space and enjoying the view, bringing a cloak and a covert cyno is also well worth it. There is a great many BLOPS gangs who are extremely bored and would dearly love for some content.
If you want to 'war goons!' seems to me that would be the most effective way to do so.. and best of all it's free!
This wild and zany idea involves leaving the docking ring of a station, so it's a little pointless recommending it to Marmite. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Xiderpunk
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
13
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:06:00 -
[65] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Xiderpunk wrote:There are some really nice areas of space in Fountain and Vale of the Silent which provide this income. I recommend visiting that space and enjoying the view, bringing a cloak and a covert cyno is also well worth it. There is a great many BLOPS gangs who are extremely bored and would dearly love for some content.
If you want to 'war goons!' seems to me that would be the most effective way to do so.. and best of all it's free! This wild and zany idea involves leaving the docking ring of a station, so it's a little pointless recommending it to Marmite.
Yeah I probably should have been a bit more honest and added a disclaimer: This war goons idea will not appeal or work for HS war deccers as there is a slim chance that you might lose your cloaky ship getting to and from the space concerned. |

Pinky Feldman
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
681
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
First off, I just wanna say to hello to my goonfriends here such as Powers, as well as old highsec bros like Tora. I'm not currently active in EVE, but was bored on Superbowl Sunday and this thread caught my eye due to my roots as a former HS-war deccer. As someone who has attempted to organize highsec against le ebil gewns in the past with Save Jita and as someone who is currently blue to them, let me share the biggest hurdles I think need to be overcome for highsec to properly stand against an organized null entity.
1) Highsec pvpers are too disorganized to effectively go up against a well polished nullsec entity.
Part of this is due to the way that highsec naturally tends to organize. You have many corps all on seperate comms, all with seperate staging systems, with no unified doctrine other than kitchen sink comps like close range armor.
When I organized Save Jita to counter the first Burn Jita, one of the major difficulties we faced was the inability to effectively formup and cross communicate efforts across groups since we had to do everything with in-game chat windows, which was cumbersome, slow, and frustrating. Trying to coordinate with a myriad of CEOs and FCs, getting their 5-10 dudes to the same place and all on the same comms was a mess.
Compare that to Goons, which have full jabber access such that all an FC needs to do is send out a ping for a fleet and they're able to get the right pieces in place and formup in the same station. They're on the same comms, same auth, individuals who don't have ships can buy fitted ships off contract. They're playing a completely different game than you are.
2) Highsec PVPers hate losing ships compared to nullsec f1 monkeys.
Due to the sizes of HS pvp groups, fleet battles where incoming DPS will always be too high for anyone to catch reps other than maybe the FC are uncommon compared to the fights of nullsec. HS groups tend to fly bling and usually as individuals dislike losing ships, since HS warfare is all about efficiency as a metric of success likely due to the lack of strategic objectives to fight over. While, it may be easy to call them risk averse and leave it at that, I think that's the wrong term to use here and rather I think the bigger factor at play is the lack of SRP that null pvpers have been conditioned with.
3) The disparity in technical FC ability and tactical style.
Highsec FCs tend to lack the technical skills required for larger fleet fights. This doesn't make them bad FCs, in fact as hunters, I would wager that they're hands down better at spotting traps, baiting, and scouting than nullsec FCs.
Unfortunately, they aren't used to the faster pace of large fights where primaries are getting two volleyed, the speed that the process the overview once it fully fills up might be slow, they don't have the right tab filters setup, and most importantly, they're not used to broadcasting primaries.
Many Highsec FCs and players in general are excellent combat probers, but lack the quick-draw probe/fleet warp trigger finger that a null FC like Vee or Elendar might have.
4) Lack of overall HS unity.
Individually, even the largest HS groups will struggle to fight goons on their own, but i'm not convinced the catalyst for them to unite together is possible. Save Jita could have been something amazing if all the HS groups that pledged to show up actually had in the numbers I knew they were capabble of. Unfortunately, they didn't and two of the bigger groups at the time, God Squad and Doubletap completely wussed out. Many groups in HS dislike Goons, but when faced with the option of flying with another HS war dec group who they consider inferior versus continuing business as usual and harvest easy and juicy kills, it will be a struggle to get enough groups in the former category such that you can actually fight goons effectively.
In retrospect, I simply don't think that it's possible to expect HS to unite under the same banner in a single fleet to fight goons with the numbers they need since the egos at play and old grudges are too much. These barriers might be able to be overcome and I hope i'm wrong, but really i'd put my money on GSF teaming up with ex-BoB to kill PL happening before all the major HS groups are willing to unite for any significant period of time.
The moar you cry the less you pee |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6305
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:45:00 -
[67] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote: So yes, the statement "you can get Goons + RvB for 50M/week forever" is not true. The true statement is "you can get Goons + RvB for 500M/week forever and you can make it 50M for the first week". Assuming Mynnna remains busy planting new POCOs, you can just drop the Goon war and restart after a day using his next dummy corp for 50M.
is this the big announcement Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Domineren
failing war report Darwins Lemmings
1315
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Posted - 2014.02.02 22:03:00 -
[68] - Quote
Saeger1737 wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:3 weeks one poco? Only like 3000 more to go, you'll be doing this for 9000 weeks at this rate, Or 173.14 years think you need to speed things up... Obviously your horrid at this game. Have you considered joining RVB? You can then shoot this imbecile for free. Why would I join rvb when my merc corp is ripping marmite and soon lemmings from stem to stern? Besides I was already in Red Fed, kick ass RVB!! tooooooolllll...im no fan of marmite but i like fighting rvb and goons. let me know when the war goes valid so i can station camp you Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3441
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Posted - 2014.02.03 00:54:00 -
[69] - Quote
I really thought Gevlon was cooking his socks and underwear in a pot. This announcement instead is not nearly as nasty. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Powers Sa
876
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Posted - 2014.02.03 02:38:00 -
[70] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:I was told, Goonswarm came to late (what a surprise), Lost a poco that never could be taken, Goon scout checked poco and got popped and podded, RvB fleet showed up for nothing and got blue balled, Goons ****** up and got shot by Concord, More Goons got popped after 10+ kill rights were activated, Marmites and Lemmings left bored and Goons were so annoyed that all they could do is spam local. Then had to go back to 00 land, to do it all over again in a few days. I hope RvB is enjoying this 100% purple fleet from here on. Cuz that's all RvB will be for a longggg time. RvB used to be a great alliance, but your deal with Goonswarm is ******* that up big-time. What a shame  Don't want to stay purple and have 280398 rules, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters in 'Darwins Lemmings'. The joy, great victory, congrats  lmao, i guess gevlon is imparting his wild imagination and fiction upon others. You had the opportunity to fight, but didn't. I saw your proteus there, when you decided to leave like a coward. lol |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6308
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:41:00 -
[71] - Quote
apparently this was the big announcement: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/goons-and-pets-on-killboard.html
i would say more but i'm gasping for air laughing Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6308
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
send help need oxygen Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6308
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:44:00 -
[73] - Quote
Quote:For a billion I also got the Razor killboard data for comparison purposes.
razor got a billion isk for killboard data oh my god that's amazing
*gasp*
*oxygen*
*aaugh*
help...me... Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Enya Dorne
16
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Posted - 2014.02.03 04:15:00 -
[74] - Quote
After reading that wall of text this is my favorite part,
"Stop being pets! Goons are holding their power because of the myth that they are strong and everyone else is just tagging along and should be grateful for the opportunity. The truth is the opposite: their effort and PvP power is trivial compared to their size. Stop falling for their propaganda and get hard numbers! It's you who claimed the regions for the CFC, you should be reaping the rewards, you should be calling the shots, not that bunch of forum trolls!"
I nearly died from laughter, Gevlon you have no idea what you are talking about do you? |

Pinky Feldman
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
685
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Posted - 2014.02.03 04:24:00 -
[75] - Quote
Serious question though, Tora. What's the deal with with HS nerds not fighting back against goons? You know you have the firepower to absolutely lock down that area and goons actively contesting means awesome content outside the standard station/gate camping.
Sure there might be obstacles, such as the ones I highlighted, but by no means are they impossible to overcome and I want to make it clear that I wrote those not to discourage anyone, but to paint a clear picture to Gevlon difficulties that must be planned for an overcome. Use of a social movement alone to combat goons in highsec isn't enough, sinec EVE is a game. You have to generate fun content for your troops and give them a reason to log in too.
The moar you cry the less you pee |

elise densi
Dark Amarr Ancestry
40
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:23:00 -
[76] - Quote
guys i ran out of popcon and soda how can i continue watching this drama with out please help me :) |

Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:41:00 -
[77] - Quote
But guys you are missing the point, that poco costs like a 100m, that is not a devastating blow, but that is at least 4 month in moon income. Great victory indeed. Here gevlon will accomplish what the biggest super power in EVE couldn't accomplish, forever remove the goon cancer from EVE by the ingenious method of destroying their morale by taking their highsec poco. Leave no highsec POCO behind.
All rejoice for no content to write about so I create some bullshit content myself gevlon. YaY |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
"based on hours of data crunching that I paid 1bil ISK for even though it is free if I knew what I was doing i have concluded that goonwaffe, a corp who recruits out-of-game and has no in-game activity or ability requirements has a poor kda" "i probably should have realised this was a self-evident truth but then i wouldnt be able to tilt at my "call everyone pets to win" windmill"
Honestly, your "No it was everyone elses fault I failed" post is going to be so amazing already, I can't wait to see how many more deluded chapters this story has first. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Lucy Oreless
Control-Space DARKNESS.
207
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:But guys you are missing the point, that poco costs like a 100m, that is not a devastating blow, but that is at least 4 month in moon income. Great victory indeed. Here gevlon will accomplish what the biggest super power in EVE couldn't accomplish, forever remove the goon cancer from EVE by the ingenious method of destroying their morale by taking their highsec poco. Leave no highsec POCO behind.
All rejoice for no content to write about so I create some bullshit content myself gevlon. YaY
hahahaahahah 
When Mitten's grandkids asks him what made hes empire fall apart, i realy doubt the answer will be... the high-sec poco we lost 
I love Gevlon, even mental-pasients withouth medicine cant come up with better dribble than him! _____________________________________________________________________________________ -áI did not have sexual relations to THAT woman.... |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3450
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:20:00 -
[80] - Quote
Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2501
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Posted - 2014.02.03 16:20:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. I am willing to sell secrets.
For a mere 5 billion isk I'll sell the type of each planet in not just CFC space, but all null regions! Secretly gathered from various sources and held exclusively by the CFC (and perhaps a few others, but who knows who!). With that information he can tell us how peasant our planet compositions are.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4560
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Posted - 2014.02.03 16:35:00 -
[82] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
I can tell him so many secrets.
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zyalino
NORDIC COMPANY Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
12
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:10:00 -
[83] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt. whatever |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2503
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:03:00 -
[84] - Quote
zyalino wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt. lol, and you are sure it was all a scam attempt?
It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Erotica 1, but that extract to me read as a troll. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
766
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:06:00 -
[85] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
Someone should sell him the secret of posting stuff that actually makes sense.  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
2021
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:16:00 -
[86] - Quote
zyalino wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt.
One calls that a fight between 2 attentionwhores .... atm gevlon is winning.
Hey at least he's winning something right ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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zyalino
NORDIC COMPANY Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
12
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:11:00 -
[87] - Quote
sry guys, wanted to give troll posting a try too - am a bit disapointed that i didn't succeed in being obvious enough.
@flat: yep, he always is winning. that's his very nature. whatever |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2922
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Posted - 2014.02.04 03:14:00 -
[88] - Quote
So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it.
"United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
459
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:21:00 -
[89] - Quote
mynnna wrote:So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it. "United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing. 
Wow...apparently for a CSM you do have... limited knowledge about EVE.
So the 4 entities don't have a war with the entire goonblob for the fine price of the initially invested 50 mil now? yeah...
Oh well I bet it's all over now, well done! 
D.

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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2505
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:33:00 -
[90] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote:So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it. "United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing.  Wow...apparently for a CSM you do have... limited knowledge about EVE. Because the prerequisite of a CSM members is to know every detail of EVE inside and out right?
Wrong. Most CSMs have experience in given areas that they focus on. Expecting them to know every documented and undocumented feature would be ridiculous.
Back to your bridge.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
459
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:37:00 -
[91] - Quote
Hey Lucas! Long time no see, what's with the nose-tan?
Yes, if someone would represent the playerbase of a computergame it isn't required for said representative to know basic game mechanics.
It would help though, especially if said representative goes arround calling others retards because they have a different idea on game mechanics. Call me crazy 
D.
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Loki Asuran
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
9
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Posted - 2014.02.04 08:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
You know what this thread needs ? More smilies in a vain attempt to appear smug that you managed to reinforce 1 poco LOL
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
459
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Posted - 2014.02.04 08:27:00 -
[93] - Quote
Loki Asuran wrote:You  know  what  this  thread  needs  ? More  smilies  in  a  vain  attempt  to  appear  smug  that  you  managed  to  reinforce  1  poco  LOL   L 
You guys are making this waaay to easy for me 
Slight correction to your otherwise brilliant post, we destroyed an undestroyable poco and gave some other wardeccers the chance to shoot at blinged out nullbears in hisec for 10% of the usual fee. Not even mentioning the purple blob that romps arround instead of doing pvp, good times!
D.

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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2505
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Posted - 2014.02.04 08:46:00 -
[94] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Yes, if someone would represent the playerbase of a computergame it isn't required for said representative to know basic game mechanics. It would help though, especially if said representative goes arround calling others retards because they have a different idea on game mechanics. Call me crazy  Someone that represents the null playerbase needs to know null mechanics, not obscure high sec wardec features. Even the CCP devs, I doubt the UI devs know how the database clusters it's data, since that's not their area of expertise.
I think you know this as well. You just were shooting for another attempt at wit, and once again failing miserably.
Danalee wrote:Slight correction to your otherwise brilliant post, we destroyed an undestroyable poco and gave some other wardeccers the chance to shoot at blinged out nullbears in hisec for 10% of the usual fee. Not even mentioning the purple blob that romps arround instead of doing pvp, good times! That's quite strange actually, since I don't remember anyone saying that pocos were "undestroyable". Of course uncontested a POCO can fall, but what you're supposed to do then is put up your own one. Note though that not only did you guys run away to a station when the goons showed up, but your leader felt the need to pretend he wasn't there to get over the embarrassment of running way. All while the lemmings were out smacktalking to neutrals in Hek too.
As for the "chance to shoot nullbears", that only works if Gevlon's original post was right, which it wasn't. Goons didn't need to ally in that war, making themselves a cheap target as they can just transfer the POCO, which they did. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
459
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Posted - 2014.02.04 09:04:00 -
[95] - Quote
You keep going in circles friend Lucas.
We've been over this, you don't agree but sane people do. If you want to attack someone on his knowledge of game mechanics you better not be a nubcake when it comes to gamemechanics.
I also bet you don't remember 'your side' (quotes because your side doesn't even like you ) claiming pocos would never be destroyed and when they dropped the ball on that started some bullshit about how the people who destroyed it were scared... or something (lol). Again, it doesn't take a lot of smarts to see right through that little fantasy.
Same with your cringe worthy attempts at personnal attacks, they don't stick because they have no basis whatsoever. Keep it up though, I'm loving every minute of it.
Oh, and              
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2506
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Posted - 2014.02.04 12:20:00 -
[96] - Quote
Danalee wrote:We've been over this, you don't agree but sane people do. Citation needed.
Danalee wrote:If you want to attack someone on his knowledge of game mechanics you better not be a nubcake when it comes to gamemechanics. Not knowing an obscure high sec war dec feature doesn't really make someone a "nubcake" though. I'd be willing to be mynnna know a heck of a lot more about the game mechanics than you do, yet you are here attacking. What makes you so special?
Danalee wrote:I also bet you don't remember 'your side' (quotes because your side doesn't even like you  ) claiming pocos would never be destroyed and when they dropped the ball on that started some bullshit about how the people who destroyed it were scared... or something (lol). Again, it doesn't take a lot of smarts to see right through that little fantasy. I remember my side claiming that lemmings wouldn't. I also remember them claiming that it has no effect on them. An lo and behold the only progress made was by Marmite, and only while the system was empty, and the overall effect? Zero.
Danalee wrote:Same with your cringe worthy attempts at personnal attacks, they don't stick because they have no basis whatsoever. Keep it up though, I'm loving every minute of it. It's not a personal attack, I'm simply pointing out that you are a troll, and every post I've seen you make has been a troll post. It's also a fact that you are not very good at it, and that your attemps at wit fall short. Sorry if you take it personally, maybe you should separate your personal feelings from a game.
Danalee wrote:Edit: I'll correct you some more: Goons didn't need to ally in that warThe corp joined goons, so goons got all the 50mil wardecs from said corp for free  making themselves cheap targets. Game mechanics magic and stuff. This post clearly states 50M/week. Gevlon misunderstood how POCO transfers work and advertised the ability to dec the goons for 50M/week. Good thing you were on hand to do a bit of damage control eh? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Usman Bello
United States of Winning
34
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Posted - 2014.02.04 13:18:00 -
[97] - Quote
mynnna wrote:So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. I accept your surrender. 
mynnna wrote:"United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing.  Nope, I haven't done so. This seems to be the result of the POCO transfer and the war was just transfered with it.
Lucas Kell wrote:Because the prerequisite of a CSM members is to know every detail of EVE inside and out right? Indeed but a CSM shouldn't try to circumvent game mechanics either. It is unworthy of the office he holds and only damages it unnecessarily.
Lucas Kell wrote: This post clearly states 50M/week. Gevlon misunderstood how POCO transfers work and advertised the ability to dec the goons for 50M/week. Good thing you were on hand to do a bit of damage control eh?
Worked just fine. When the ebil Gwens tried to use witchcraft to hide the pretty POCO away in fear of the Usman, he got the whole GSF.  http://unitedstatesofwinning.ytmnd.com/ |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
478
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Posted - 2014.02.04 13:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
^^ Thanks man... I allmost wanted to put on my boots and wade in that crapfest myself. You did it a lot better, with more patience and respect than I ever could bring up.
I'll drop my load anyways seeing I had it written out already 
Citation needed: no, a clue is what you need...
'obscure' high sec war dec feature : High sec wardec mechanics are hardly obscure and I'm not CSM. What makes me so special is that I'm not joining your little pitchfork-wielding bandwagon party attacking someone who swims against the stream. It's a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face 
lalalala Progress was made by marmite so doesn't count lalalalala: Ok boss, got it 
It's not a personal attack: That's why the forum mods removed them. I'd petition that stuff.
This post clearly states 50M/week: 50m was EXACTLY the amount it cost to wardec the corp. Once the corp joined goons THE WAR TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE GOONS and not a single extra isk was paid for it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
D.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2622
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Posted - 2014.02.04 13:28:00 -
[99] - Quote
Lucas, if it helps you calm down any, Danalee doesn't literally believe what he posts here. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2923
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Posted - 2014.02.04 13:33:00 -
[100] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote:So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it. "United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing.  Wow...apparently for a CSM you do have... limited knowledge about EVE. So the 4 entities don't have a war with the entire goonblob for the fine price of the initially invested 50 mil now? yeah... Oh well I bet it's all over now, well done!  D. 
The trivialities and nuances of highsec wardec mechanics are not something I deal with on a day to day basis, yes. If I wanted to know about them I'm sure I could ask my fellow councilmember (or is it pet? or master? I can't keep it straight in these threads) Mangala Solaris of RvB.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2509
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:07:00 -
[101] - Quote
Danalee wrote:It's a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face  Usman Bello wrote:Indeed but a CSM shouldn't try to circumvent game mechanics either. It is unworthy of the office he holds and only damages it unnecessarily. Nothing is being circumvented. This is the correct use of the alliance mechanics. The fact that Gevlon didn't think about it doesn't mean it's automatically wrong.
Danalee wrote:50m was EXACTLY the amount it cost to wardec the corp. Once the corp joined goons THE WAR TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE GOONS and not a single extra isk was paid for it. Usman Bello wrote:Worked just fine. When the ebil Gwens tried to use witchcraft to hide the pretty POCO away in fear of the Usman, he got the whole GSF.  For 1 week. Not /Week. To continue the war it will be the usual half bil.
Danalee wrote:'obscure' high sec war dec feature : High sec wardec mechanics are hardly obscure and I'm not CSM. What makes me so special is that I'm not joining your little pitchfork-wielding bandwagon party attacking someone who swims against the stream. The obscure part isn't the actual wardec transference. The obscure part is that when the corp transferred to the other alliance, a notification stating "surrender" was sent. I don't think I've seen that written anywhere, and it certainly makes no sense, since there's been no surrender of any kind. So yes, it's obscure.
And you are still insulting mynnna over understanding of mechanics. By your reasoning that must mean you know ALL mechanics, since you are not allowed to call out someone on any mechanics unless you're an absolute expert, right? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:16:00 -
[102] - Quote
I'm not sure what's funnier, the post or the comments. Still, thank you Gevlon. I haven't laughed so hard in days.
Imagine if Gevlon had access to our PAP statistics. The sheer beauty of the graphs and charts he would create would be breathtaking. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2925
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:22:00 -
[103] - Quote
Danalee wrote:It's a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face 
Didn't actually see this first time around. Nothing was circumvented, feel free to petition it if you think otherwise.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2509
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:29:00 -
[104] - Quote
Johan March wrote:I'm not sure what's funnier, the post or the comments. Still, thank you Gevlon. I haven't laughed so hard in days. Imagine if Gevlon had access to our PAP statistics. The sheer beauty of the graphs and charts he would create would be breathtaking. I've just reread it with the updates he did, which makes it funnier.
Probably the best part for me though, even if this was all 100% accurate and we are the mere pets at your feet, what would change? Would I rather be the well kept pet of a rich and powerful owner or a peasant in a world full of peasants. Not exactly a tough call.
The realism is though that no single CFC alliance could hold the space CFC hold. The coalition is required, some parts for the leadership, some for the skilled players and some just for the raw numbers (and SUAS for his epic songs). We all get to have a load of fun, and compared to other alliances CTAs are nowhere close to as strict as many other alliances. If Gevlon actually thought that his blog post was going to suddenly make us start infighting he's seriously delusional. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2509
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:31:00 -
[105] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Danalee wrote:It's a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face  Didn't actually see this first time around. Nothing was circumvented, feel free to petition it if you think otherwise.  Calling it now, just watch, they'll petition it, and when nothing happens they'll accuse you of using inside connections to bypass the rules. And that will be the reason they fail! Bloody cheaters! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
478
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:38:00 -
[106] - Quote
It's STILL a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face
And it was sooo unexpected we wardecced the corp before the poco was even placed 
D.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
43
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:41:00 -
[107] - Quote
Danalee, your trolling is bad. I mean seriously - I understand the "value" of trolling for amusement, but you are really being bad at this now and not amusing at all. You are one step from posting goblin-level shite, which is the rock bottom. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
478
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:50:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ow pete, how you burn me...
The fact that goons have to misuse hisec wardec mechanics to save face is the big joke here, but that's waaaaaay above your level I see. Oh well, can't all be regular guys and gals playing a game... Some have to take it to where no sane person has ever gone before I gues...
In any case, I'm not trolling and it's you who is shown for the sad little troll you are. Thanks!
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2509
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:51:00 -
[109] - Quote
Danalee wrote:It's STILL a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face And it was sooo unexpected we wardecced the corp before the poco was even placed Perhaps you'd like to explain which mechanic you are talking about, since this doesn't really make sense. Since no game mechanics were circumvented, and everything worked out as planned, I can only conclude that you've misunderstood the situation.
And congratulations, you started a 24 hour timer half an hour early. What you should have done is placed your own POCO, and not wasted a wardec on an alt corp. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2925
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:55:00 -
[110] - Quote
Yeah, I get he's trolling, but even I'm confused now too. POCO back in GSF. Where's the "blow up in face" part? Maybe he means how the wardecs carried over? I'm not sure I care - a couple groups too scared or poor (or both) to wardec GSF normally aren't going to kill lost goons in Empire any faster than Marmite already does.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
478
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:01:00 -
[111] - Quote
Not shooting the messenger this time, allow me to reward you with a reply;
Lucas Kell wrote:Perhaps you'd like to explain which mechanic you are talking about, since this doesn't really make sense. Since no game mechanics were circumvented, and everything worked out as planned, I can only conclude that you've misunderstood the situation.
I'm actually talking about the intended mechanic of wardecs (declaring war and fighting stuff). You guys thought you'd be clever and have another corp drop the poco so it would be invincible, we saw it comming a mile away but figured it would be a good way to get more wardecs against you  Which happened. To add insult to injury, it was made obvious by different goon posts you didn't 'get it'.
Lucas Kell wrote: And congratulations, you started a 24 hour timer half an hour early. What you should have done is placed your own POCO, and not wasted a wardec on an alt corp.
We don't care for pocos, really... too much hassle for no big return. We do care for goons to go pop and leave their juicy innards for us to feast on. That and all the beautiful content that's being created here on the forums and ingame.
D.

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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
46
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:01:00 -
[112] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Yeah, I get he's trolling, but even I'm confused now too. POCO back in GSF. Where's the "blow up in face" part? Maybe he means how the wardecs carried over? I'm not sure I care - a couple groups too scared or poor (or both) to wardec GSF normally aren't going to kill lost goons in Empire any faster than Marmite already does. 
And that's exactly why his trolling is bad. It should have some kind of intelligent twist, not a bunch of random words. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
478
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:16:00 -
[113] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:mynnna wrote:Yeah, I get he's trolling, but even I'm confused now too. POCO back in GSF. Where's the "blow up in face" part? Maybe he means how the wardecs carried over? I'm not sure I care - a couple groups too scared or poor (or both) to wardec GSF normally aren't going to kill lost goons in Empire any faster than Marmite already does.  And that's exactly why his trolling is bad. It should have some kind of intelligent twist, not a bunch of random words.
That's actually a good point, as opposed to Pete yesman's poor attempt at relevance. (Yes, I was talking about the wardecs carrying over) Touch+¬.
D.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2927
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:29:00 -
[114] - Quote
Danalee wrote:I'm actually talking about the intended mechanic of wardecs (declaring war and fighting stuff). You guys thought you'd be clever and have another corp drop the poco so it would be invincible, we saw it comming a mile away but figured it would be a good way to get more wardecs against you 
Realtalk: Invincibility wasn't really an objective, if it were why would I drop it in an alliance so cheap to dec? I dropped it in another corp because I felt dropping it in a neutral corp and then transferring it over would be a better route than having to cloak 200km off in a GSF blockade runner and hope I could warp in and drop fast enough. In short, I was concerned about a ninja attempt, not even necessarily from you guys as much as from random passerbys, or about having the ship blown up before I completed the drop. All the wardecs did was make it take longer to transfer back to Goonwaffe  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
478
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Danalee wrote:I'm actually talking about the intended mechanic of wardecs (declaring war and fighting stuff). You guys thought you'd be clever and have another corp drop the poco so it would be invincible, we saw it comming a mile away but figured it would be a good way to get more wardecs against you  Realtalk: Invincibility wasn't really an objective, if it were why would I drop it in an alliance so cheap to dec? I dropped it in another corp because I felt dropping it in a neutral corp and then transferring it over would be a better route than having to cloak 200km off in a GSF blockade runner and hope I could warp in and drop fast enough. In short, I was concerned about a ninja attempt, not even necessarily from you guys as much as from random passerbys, or about having the ship blown up before I completed the drop. All the wardecs did was make it take longer to transfer back to Goonwaffe 
I kinda get that now. You should have used a corp without the word GOON in it, maybe we'd have left it alone than thinking it was someone ninjaing it. To make it even better you should have wardecced said corp and laugh your ass off when all those poor hisec groups put in their request to assist 
D.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2927
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
Didn't have another altcorp handy, and to be fair there's a certain amount of pleasure taken in going "yeah you downed a poco, I'm going to drop it with an obvious altcorp, transfer it back, and you can't do **** about it except slow me down" 
And indeed, neither you, nor lemmings, nor any of the other corps that decced mine so much as scratched the paint on the new poco. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
340
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:54:00 -
[117] - Quote
*yawn* Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
46
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:mynnna wrote:Yeah, I get he's trolling, but even I'm confused now too. POCO back in GSF. Where's the "blow up in face" part? Maybe he means how the wardecs carried over? I'm not sure I care - a couple groups too scared or poor (or both) to wardec GSF normally aren't going to kill lost goons in Empire any faster than Marmite already does.  And that's exactly why his trolling is bad. It should have some kind of intelligent twist, not a bunch of random words. That's actually a good point, as opposed to Pete yesman's poor attempt at relevance. (Yes, I was talking about the wardecs carrying over) Touch+¬. D. 
Unfortunately you missed. I don't care for relevance, whatever you mean by tthat. And I don't know where wardecs come into this. I only enjoy goblins failure as we all do. It is quite entertaining. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3470
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 08:34:00 -
[119] - Quote
If Gevlon dares to put all his wealth on the line, and he does manage to slow Goons down, is this not a major victory? We'll all tell stories for years to come about the highsec carebear who managed to put a dent in Goonswarm.
Throw everything you have at this effort Gevlon, and you can be famous as the figurative martyr who gave up all his wealth to make a difference. It sure beats having lots of isk and people thinking you are foolish.
Use your head. Make the right choice. Be the hero we all will remember. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
481
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 13:07:00 -
[120] - Quote
Erotica, with examples like your fine self, mister Goblin will surely succeed!
Who knows, maybe the Order knights could team up with Lemmings and rekindle what transpired a couple of months ago (and with more defeated goons)?;
Erotica 1 wrote: ///////////////////
BREAKING NEWS
More to follow.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
***************************************************************** This message is for all those who wish to take action against illegal miners- anywhere they hide. Since many of our supporters are not in player corps, I must place this message here instead of CAOD. *****************************************************************
Illegal miners have been found to be taking refuge in and around E-YCML. The "Sev3rance" alliance has been found to be harboring these fugitives. This is not acceptable.
As we speak, my corp is dropping SBU's in that system and neighboring ones.
While I will personally be heading out there in my trusty bomber, and other knights are on the way, we need YOUR HELP to wipe out this pestilence. These miners have already been spotted using their mission running ships to attack our SBU's. We cannot stand for this. We must all rise up and blot out the sun. All who love justice and the Code are welcome to join us in this crusade.
I will continue to update this thread as the news develops.
Warm Regards,
-Ero
D.
 |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3512
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 20:03:00 -
[121] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Erotica, with examples like your fine self, mister Goblin will surely succeed! Who knows, maybe the Order knights could team up with Lemmings and rekindle what transpired a couple of months ago (and with more defeated goons)?; Erotica 1 wrote: ///////////////////
BREAKING NEWS
More to follow.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
***************************************************************** This message is for all those who wish to take action against illegal miners- anywhere they hide. Since many of our supporters are not in player corps, I must place this message here instead of CAOD. *****************************************************************
Illegal miners have been found to be taking refuge in and around E-YCML. The "Sev3rance" alliance has been found to be harboring these fugitives. This is not acceptable.
As we speak, my corp is dropping SBU's in that system and neighboring ones.
While I will personally be heading out there in my trusty bomber, and other knights are on the way, we need YOUR HELP to wipe out this pestilence. These miners have already been spotted using their mission running ships to attack our SBU's. We cannot stand for this. We must all rise up and blot out the sun. All who love justice and the Code are welcome to join us in this crusade.
I will continue to update this thread as the news develops.
Warm Regards,
-Ero
D. 
Yes lots of SBU's were dropped. Mostly a handful of agents were playing bumping games with the fleets that had to show up to blow them up, leaving their mining ops. I believe we had a friendly fire incident.
Like Gevlon, we will strike on terms of our choosing.
to be continued.... See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
115
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:17:00 -
[122] - Quote
If your pvp corps doesn't want to be part of an alliance. You can also just join the 'Darwins Lemmings' alliance with your pvp corp and leave right away. This way you get free wars for an entire week for free....
WIN-WIN !  |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3519
|
Posted - 2014.02.09 23:16:00 -
[123] - Quote
Is the war over? Gevlon has not posted on his blog or eve-o Goblin threads for a few days now it seems. Did he give up or reach a peace accord with Goons? See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1996
|
Posted - 2014.02.09 23:47:00 -
[124] - Quote
grr goons https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
659
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 00:33:00 -
[125] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Is the war over? Gevlon has not posted on his blog or eve-o Goblin threads for a few days now it seems. Did he give up or reach a peace accord with Goons? He broke the story that some Goons really like to rat. Our empire is crumbling.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3521
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 06:05:00 -
[126] - Quote
I take that back. An earth shattering report has just been written in which Gevlon takes 3 weeks of data and extrapolates out for a full year. Based on such solid evidence, he ends with...
"Currently I see no way how could we lose (besides management drama)."
I agree. Gevlon needs to pay for this for a least a year against the entire CFC. And the only possible way this could fail is if someone in management, other than himself, screws things up.
VFK by Christmas. Perhaps Harry can join to see the liberation parades. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Mrs Mayo
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 06:14:00 -
[127] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:I take that back. An earth shattering report has just been written in which Gevlon takes 3 weeks of data and extrapolates out for a full year. Based on such solid evidence, he ends with...
"Currently I see no way how could we lose (besides management drama)."
I agree. Gevlon needs to pay for this for a least a year against the entire CFC. And the only possible way this could fail is if someone in management, other than himself, screws things up.
VFK by Christmas. Perhaps Harry can join to see the liberation parades. Posting in a thread where Erotica and the James 313 high sec circus try to make themselves feel important / relevant. |

Davish Krail
80
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 07:36:00 -
[128] - Quote
Mrs Mayo wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I take that back. An earth shattering report has just been written in which Gevlon takes 3 weeks of data and extrapolates out for a full year. Based on such solid evidence, he ends with...
"Currently I see no way how could we lose (besides management drama)."
I agree. Gevlon needs to pay for this for a least a year against the entire CFC. And the only possible way this could fail is if someone in management, other than himself, screws things up.
VFK by Christmas. Perhaps Harry can join to see the liberation parades. Posting in a thread where Erotica and the James 313 high sec circus try to make themselves feel important / relevant.
Posting in a thread where a no-name trial account posts irrelevant tripe about others. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2661
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 13:29:00 -
[129] - Quote
Update: CFC completely dissolved. Massive mixed SMA and FCON fleet in VFK starting a headshot attempt. They're waving graphs in their hands and demanding we make 11% less ISK or else.
Gevlon what have you done "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
392
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 14:00:00 -
[130] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Update: CFC completely dissolved. Massive mixed SMA and FCON fleet in VFK starting a headshot attempt. They're waving graphs in their hands and demanding we make 11% less ISK or else.
Gevlon what have you done
You guys are ******. What if they start making COPIES of the graphs?
And distributing them??
GSF is dead. Felled by the mighty graph. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
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Ed Tekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 17:39:00 -
[131] - Quote
Hi folks, this is Trillionaire philanthropist Ed Tekki with some news. Every source of news needs an honest critique, and now you can get one for Gevlon's blog right here! Read http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/ for critique and analysis of each of Gevlon's blog posts, and see what really hides behind the Goblin's mask. |

Anya Klibor
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
645
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 19:02:00 -
[132] - Quote
I have to admit, it is most amusing to see Gevlon talking all this crap from the safety of an undec-able NPC corporation. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2527
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 21:41:00 -
[133] - Quote
Ed Tekki wrote:Hi folks, this is Trillionaire philanthropist Ed Tekki with some news. Every source of news needs an honest critique, and now you can get one for Gevlon's blog right here! Read http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/ for critique and analysis of each of Gevlon's blog posts, and see what really hides behind the Goblin's mask. Love it. Subscribed. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
119
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 00:27:00 -
[134] - Quote
Ed Tekki wrote:Hi folks, this is Trillionaire philanthropist Ed Tekki with some news. Every source of news needs an honest critique, and now you can get one for Gevlon's blog right here! Read http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/ for critique and analysis of each of Gevlon's blog posts, and see what really hides behind the Goblin's mask. Start, run, calc, enter..... you should use it, as your brain cant handle the truth 
Lemmings 27,3B vs RvB/Goonies 16.6B , that's almost 11B behind. Then again...... we have 100% fun.  |

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 01:27:00 -
[135] - Quote
These isk amounts are rounding errors The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them |

Sanai Shaizi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 02:13:00 -
[136] - Quote
Thanks for assisting with my insurance fraud and pod jumping the other day in Amarr.
Saved me like 15 minutes of self-destructing and suiciding before heading out to Deklein! |

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
99
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 04:02:00 -
[137] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:98% of Lemming losses are to RvB as Goons suck unless they are 10x outnumbering Yeah, except that's not even true as demonstrated by yesterday. We had roughly equal numbers to Marmite and were looking to fight them but they instead sat and shot the poco whilst aligned out, and then ran for the nearest station when we showed up. It's cute you think Jita campers are a useful entity to do this with. If they actually went for objectives instead of sitting in Jita you'd see them with significant losses. But, they can't accept any risk at all and so won't fight. n.b. we predicted your smug at us losing one POCO, but your guys (of course) don't know what they're doing and we have one there which is back to printing ISK for us. n.b.b. so much for "as soon as RvB isn't there all goon POCOs die" because RvB weren't there and we still contol every POCO we did before. What up~~ No one cares if you replaced it.
Only that it as done and you, along with RvB, couldn't stop it from happening.
Is it significant? No. But does it need to be? No. |

Edmark I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 05:07:00 -
[138] - Quote
Looking at the ingame thing I see we have 9 wars right now and this makes me a little sad. When the Jade Constantine thing was going on we had like 120 wars. These new guys are not up to snuff methinks.
Have not seen a single one in Deklein.
In other news- Immensea is being wrapped up with those beautiful rusrus taking control of the south, we are currently purging Unthinkables space in Scalding Pass as they rejected Dear Leaders offer to walk away from what they were commanded to do in Fountain.
So sad when the grunts of these little alliances must suffer for their leaders pride. I believe after that, Omar may be coming to Fountain and beyond, perhaps you highsec guys may want to help out the little fellas over there? |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
60
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 06:51:00 -
[139] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:No one cares if you replaced it.
Only that it as done and you, along with RvB, couldn't stop it from happening.
Is it significant? No. But does it need to be? No.
If it was replaced without effort, no one cares if it was destroyed. It was, as you say, insignificant so the value is zero. Therefore all billions spent on making this happen were wasted. That's the part our little orc doesn't understand. No impact is no impact, regardless of what the numbers say. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
494
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 08:04:00 -
[140] - Quote
The more you guys roll over each other screaming it has no impact....
You know the rest.
D.
 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10205
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 09:22:00 -
[141] - Quote
this war seems to be going great considering that i've been ice mining in sehmosh on a GSF character this whole time without a problem Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10205
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 09:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
ahahaha no not really but you're still doing a horrible job at "killing teh goons  " when you haven't even given us a papercut Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10205
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 09:24:00 -
[143] - Quote
: the emote of c&p Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
61
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 10:45:00 -
[144] - Quote
Danalee wrote:The more you guys roll over each other screaming it has no impact.... You know the rest. D. 
It has no impact on me, yet I'm still posting. Your theory is crushed. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
495
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 10:57:00 -
[145] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:Danalee wrote:The more you guys roll over each other screaming it has no impact.... You know the rest. D.  It has no impact on me, yet I'm still posting. Your theory is crushed.
One could wonder why you are still posting, I'm sure it's not because you are a troll, because we all know trolling is prohibited on these forums. And it's not because you have something to say either.
Maybe you are impacted? Carry on in any case, we wouldn't want this rollercoaster of unexpected twists and witty retorts to stop early.
D.
 |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
61
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 11:48:00 -
[146] - Quote
Pointing the flaws in his crazy logic makes for some good laughs. Especially after his announcement he can't imagine how it may fail. I can't believe how disconnected from reality he must be. And he even thinks these posts are tears. |

Ed Tekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 13:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
New post up at http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/ explaining how well Gevlon's doing in his POCO war against goons. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2661
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 13:24:00 -
[148] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Only that it as done and you, along with RvB, couldn't stop it from happening.
Is it significant? No. But does it need to be? No.
We weren't there for the first one. For all the others we very much did stop it happening. Also we were alone because our highsec pets abandoned us 
As clich+¬ as it is to say "already replaced" - with POCOs that's the whole literal point. The person who replaces it, claims it, and we did.
It's a moot point anyway, since Marmite don't really care to take our POCOs, they just want a free wardec. For all the "lol marmite" we throw in here, point is they're doing what they want to do, only this time a mad hatter with a blog and some ISK he's poopsocked is paying for them. It's a good time to be a marmite. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
495
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 13:37:00 -
[149] - Quote
It's always a good time to be a marmite, this thread serves only to share the wealth.
D.
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Davish Krail
82
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 13:44:00 -
[150] - Quote
The only thing you seem to be sharing is some magical pubbie distortion field which failing to crush the Goon POCO Empire in Hisec somehow equates to winning at EVE. |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
495
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 14:05:00 -
[151] - Quote
What are you implying? That I have fun in a spaceship computergame? Or that I have fun on the forums?
Don't worry, it's all of the above. You should try it sometime 
D.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
119
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 15:15:00 -
[152] - Quote
http://goo.gl/78hmW9 |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
61
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 16:08:00 -
[153] - Quote
You posted - that obviously means you care. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
498
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 16:14:00 -
[154] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:You posted - that obviously means you care.
He's General Lemming, ofcourse he cares, silly!
D.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
61
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 16:30:00 -
[155] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:You posted - that obviously means you care. He's General Lemming, ofcourse he cares, silly! D. 
He cares for reading about flaws in his masters reasoning? OK. Seems goblin needs a tighter leash. |

Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 17:10:00 -
[156] - Quote
    
25%.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
119
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 18:14:00 -
[157] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:He cares for reading about flaws in his masters reasoning? OK. Seems goblin needs a tighter leash. After all this time you still don't get it.... hihi...I lolled. Don't make me put an assumption meme in here again!
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Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 18:30:00 -
[158] - Quote
This thread needs more cat gifs and memes
o7 m8
    
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Fi Gus
5
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:40:00 -
[159] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:If Gevlon dares to put all his wealth on the line, and he does manage to slow Goons down, is this not a major victory? We'll all tell stories for years to come about the highsec carebear who managed to put a dent in Goonswarm.
Throw everything you have at this effort Gevlon, and you can be famous as the figurative martyr who gave up all his wealth to make a difference. It sure beats having lots of isk and people thinking you are foolish.
Use your head. Make the right choice. Be the hero we all will remember.
Well, if you could double his isk, he could continue his war against goons twice as long |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
61
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 18:54:00 -
[160] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:He cares for reading about flaws in his masters reasoning? OK. Seems goblin needs a tighter leash. After all this time you still don't get it.... hihi...I lolled.  Don't make me put an assumption meme in here again!
But we all get it - you take nice paycheck from goblin and fail to make any impact on goons. Oh, I forgot - we have to wait and see. Well, we're still waiting. And this of course is still recognized as winning gevlon. |
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Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 20:26:00 -
[161] - Quote
   
Not empty posting in a Gevlon thread. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
395
|
Posted - 2014.02.11 20:27:00 -
[162] - Quote
But how are you able to do that? I thought you were part of that dead nullsec alliance.... So... confused... Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
119
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 09:00:00 -
[163] - Quote
I am looking for corps that are in any way related to CFC alliances. If you know any of them, mail me. As we will start hitting them too. |

Thomas Mayaki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 12:56:00 -
[164] - Quote
Ed Tekki wrote:Hi folks, this is Trillionaire philanthropist Ed Tekki with some news. Every source of news needs an honest critique, and now you can get one for Gevlon's blog right here! Read http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/ for critique and analysis of each of Gevlon's blog posts, and see what really hides behind the Goblin's mask.
Is it just me or has there been a drastic cut in the goon propaganda budget? |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2949
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 13:47:00 -
[165] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:I am looking for corps that are in any way related to CFC alliances. If you know any of them, mail me. As we will start hitting them too.
You've already decced all the main alliances, right? Can't forget them. Here's the list.
Goonswarm Federation FA FCON SMA Li3 Razor Alliance GENTS LAWN CO2 The Initiative Walltreipers
Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
395
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 14:04:00 -
[166] - Quote
mynnna wrote:General Lemming wrote:I am looking for corps that are in any way related to CFC alliances. If you know any of them, mail me. As we will start hitting them too. You've already decced all the main alliances, right? Can't forget them. Here's the list. Goonswarm Federation FA FCON SMA Li3 Razor Alliance GENTS LAWN CO2 The Initiative Walltreipers Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all.
How dare you?
He was going to spend WEEKS gathering that intelligence.... how will they post about their spy-victory now? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2038
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:06:00 -
[167] - Quote
mynnna wrote:General Lemming wrote:I am looking for corps that are in any way related to CFC alliances. If you know any of them, mail me. As we will start hitting them too. You've already decced all the main alliances, right? Can't forget them. Here's the list. Goonswarm Federation FA FCON SMA Li3 Razor Alliance GENTS LAWN CO2 The Initiative Walltreipers Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all.
You forgot to add PL ... 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
120
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 15:02:00 -
[168] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap Might be to late already.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
61
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 16:17:00 -
[169] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. 
You have nothing but weak spots. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2531
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 17:03:00 -
[170] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots.  Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap  Might be to late already. That trust is already broken! Now that we know that goons rat, your campaign of psychological warfare has taken hold! Off to VFK to start ganking goons!
...
Just as soon as I find a packet of care.
But no, they don't trust blues, we are all spies and we secretly hate each other. But that's OK. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Leigh Akiga
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
558
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:14:00 -
[171] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:We will hit you where it hurts most
VFK by Passover
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1012
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:50:00 -
[172] - Quote
why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... ... |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
401
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 18:55:00 -
[173] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all...
What?
So?
Its not suppose to be fair. You dont like it? Grow an alliance to the size they have. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1013
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:06:00 -
[174] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... What? So? Its not suppose to be fair. You dont like it? Grow an alliance to the size they have.
so you did not understand what I just said? well... ... |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2531
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:44:00 -
[175] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... Actually you can do it for free. Please please PLEASE join Lemmings. That would be beyond amazing. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
402
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 20:03:00 -
[176] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... What? So? Its not suppose to be fair. You dont like it? Grow an alliance to the size they have. so you did not understand what I just said? well...
I understand very well what you said. You cant dec them because of the cost. Thats one of the bonuses of being in an alliance... and alliance that costs money to keep. Dont blame your misunderstanding of the way the wardec/alliance mechanics work on me. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1014
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 20:53:00 -
[177] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... What? So? Its not suppose to be fair. You dont like it? Grow an alliance to the size they have. so you did not understand what I just said? well... I understand very well what you said. You cant dec them because of the cost. Thats one of the bonuses of being in an alliance... and alliance that costs money to keep. Dont blame your misunderstanding of the way the wardec/alliance mechanics work on me.
my post was not about how the wardec mechanics works right now, it was about how the wardec mechanics would make sense. ... |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1014
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 20:56:00 -
[178] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... Actually you can do it for free. Please please PLEASE join Lemmings. That would be beyond amazing.
I might join if they get a cool alliance logo... ... |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
402
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 21:00:00 -
[179] - Quote
It DOES make sense. It means that if you want to wardec one of them, you have to wardec ALL of them. Like I said, its a benefit of being in an alliance. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2664
|
Posted - 2014.02.12 21:31:00 -
[180] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots.  Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap  Might be to late already.
We assume everything posted anywhere is public information, since it's impossible to remove all threat from spies. We work around it to good effect.
Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all...
CCP looked at why corps declare war, and in the overwhelming majority of cases it was to obtain "a pool of targets" - therefore since you are getting more 'value' out of wardeccing GSF than a 3man corp, it costs more.
Basically CCP realised that most wardeccers just wanted to up the percentage of people undocking from Jita to be red, and made the mechanic scale to that end. Marmite are the working example of this; they have no particular grudge with us, we're just a large entity and they know too-well that we will forever have members lost in Jita getting killed.
That someone would poop-sock ISK in his own time, and then give it to other people so they could do this for free was something CCP didn't envisage, but then that's the sandbox for you 
If you want a free holy-war, you can join the lemmings alliance for free and/or join as a defender on any of our outgoing wardecs. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
120
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:09:00 -
[181] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:General Lemming wrote:mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots.  You have nothing but weak spots. Who are you again 
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
120
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:11:00 -
[182] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Harry Forever wrote:why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...
it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all... Actually you can do it for free. Please please PLEASE join Lemmings. That would be beyond amazing. I might join if they get a cool alliance logo... I send one in yesterday, forgot you had to be 6 months old, so I told the GM see you in 5 months 
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
404
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:05:00 -
[183] - Quote
I hated goons before I read all this ****.
Now I'm not so sure. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2952
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:17:00 -
[184] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots.  Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap  Might be to late already.
If I had an isk for every vague threat of "your blues are really your enemies" that I've heard over the years I'd be rich.
Well, richer, anyway. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
137
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:29:00 -
[185] - Quote
What goes up must come down! |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
62
|
Posted - 2014.02.13 05:42:00 -
[186] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:General Lemming wrote:mynnna wrote:Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all. We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots.  You have nothing but weak spots. Who are you again 
Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already! |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2037
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Posted - 2014.02.13 06:19:00 -
[187] - Quote
So Mr Goblin, how much damage have your minions done to Goons so far?
Remember, anything less than a trillion, Mynnna could personally pay and barely notice it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Istyn
Freight Club
293
|
Posted - 2014.02.13 08:18:00 -
[188] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:]The obscure part isn't the actual wardec transference. The obscure part is that when the corp transferred to the other alliance, a notification stating "surrender" was sent. I don't think I've seen that written anywhere, and it certainly makes no sense, since there's been no surrender of any kind. So yes, it's obscure.
It's a bit of a weird quirk. The war notifications system doesn't seem to have been updated in quite a while, a few months ago it was actually sending out incorrect/vastly misleading information after a change. Which it actually probably is still doing as the notification always says you can't dec for 2 weeks, as if it was an actual surrender.
Mostly all it does is spam your inbox though as you get one for the surrender and then one for the 'new' war against the alliance. Sometimes even three at once if you're lucky. |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
120
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Posted - 2014.02.13 09:56:00 -
[189] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already! As I expected, an irrelevant alt. Move along kid. 
We are receiving the first Goon alt alliance names now. Thanks and keep sending them. |

Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.02.13 11:32:00 -
[190] - Quote
I can confirm Darwin's Lemmings is a Goon alt alliance. The anti-goon posts are all to preserve our cover but I'm just blowing the lid right off. In Manticore we Trust |
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
62
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:12:00 -
[191] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already! As I expected, an irrelevant alt. Move along kid.  We are receiving the first Goon alt alliance names now. Thanks and keep sending them.
You fail again - i'm not an alt and I'm in no way connected to goons. Since you're responding, it must also mean I'm not that irrelevant to you. That's the logic of your orc master, so it cannot be wrong. Funny how literally everything you wrote is a failure  |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2670
|
Posted - 2014.02.13 13:47:00 -
[192] - Quote
Gevlon's main logical hurdle is that he simply can't (or won't) recognise that damage to individual members is different than damage to the alliance. Worse still, he quotes incidents of damage to the alliance as a basis of comparison.
So to math what he is really doing you need to start at member wallets. As of 2012, the average wallet of an active character was 500mil ISK. I'll be generous and say that the average 0.0 resident is equal to a highsec one (though this is very unlikely) and leave the results as a "best case" scenario.
If you multiply that out to our alliance, that's a 6 trillion ISK pool of liquid ISK. (This ignores that we have many of the very richest players in our ranks, with trillions each to their name.)
If you look at the CFC, that's over 13 trillion.
Remember this is just liquid ISK in the wallet, not counting assets, market escrow, etc.
Gevlon's best-case, super inflated numbers, show 125bil in damages over a month.
Per member, then, he was doing ~4.5mil in damage. Less than 1% of the average wallet. When we say the damage he does is a rounding error, we mean it literally.
In terms of recouping losses, it takes between 2-5minutes on average per member to replace the damage he does in a whole month.
I don't know what percentage of Gevlon's wallet 4bil per week is, but it's safe to assume it's more than ~0.25%
He's locked himself into a war of attrition against an entity that can take several orders of magnitude more damage than he can. All that remains to be seen is if he bankrupts himself, or he puts an end to it, claiming success and blaming other people for not achieving his original aims.
Odds are he stops in a few weeks, with something like "I proved one person can do x-bil damage to Goons, now it's time for people to stop being morons and slackers, and to rise up against them!" "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
501
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Posted - 2014.02.13 13:59:00 -
[193] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Gevlon's main logical hurdle is that he simply can't (or won't) recognise that damage to individual members is different than damage to the alliance. Worse still, he quotes incidents of damage to the alliance as a basis of comparison.
So to math what he is really doing you need to start at member wallets. As of 2012, the average wallet of an active character was 500mil ISK. I'll be generous and say that the average 0.0 resident is equal to a highsec one (though this is very unlikely) and leave the results as a "best case" scenario.
If you multiply that out to our alliance, that's a 6 trillion ISK pool of liquid ISK. (This ignores that we have many of the very richest players in our ranks, with trillions each to their name.)
If you look at the CFC, that's over 13 trillion.
Remember this is just liquid ISK in the wallet, not counting assets, market escrow, etc.
Gevlon's best-case, super inflated numbers, show 125bil in damages over a month.
Per member, then, he was doing ~4.5mil in damage. Less than 1% of the average wallet. When we say the damage he does is a rounding error, we mean it literally.
In terms of recouping losses, it takes between 2-5minutes on average per member to replace the damage he does in a whole month.
I don't know what percentage of Gevlon's wallet 4bil per week is, but it's safe to assume it's more than ~0.25%
He's locked himself into a war of attrition against an entity that can take several orders of magnitude more damage than he can. All that remains to be seen is if he bankrupts himself, or he puts an end to it, claiming success and blaming other people for not achieving his original aims.
Odds are he stops in a few weeks, with something like "I proved one person can do x-bil damage to Goons, now it's time for people to stop being morons and slackers, and to rise up against them!"
So you are saying that 100% of your guys are always lost in hisec and loose their ships there and do get them reimbursed? Or something? Cool 
Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.
D.

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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
327
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:09:00 -
[194] - Quote
Danalee wrote: If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. D. 
You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying.  |

flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2039
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:18:00 -
[195] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:What goes up must come down!
That's what my wife said but i just keep swallowing that viagra like the candy it is ...
My life motto : KEEP IT FIRM .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
501
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:31:00 -
[196] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Danalee wrote: If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. D.  You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying. 
And I congratulated you guys with that... What I didn't do was pull a nullbear and jump up and down claiming you didn't damage me/us. Also, note the VERY UNLIKELY part 
D.

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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
327
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:52:00 -
[197] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Danalee wrote: If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. D.  You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying.  And I congratulated you guys with that... What I didn't do was pull a nullbear and jump up and down claiming you didn't damage me/us. Also, note the VERY UNLIKELY part  D. 
I know I was pulling your chain. I get annoyed at people who say losing pods in highsec is impossible unless you're bad. Clearly there's a lot of bads but you can also lose one to momentary distraction, lag spike, all sorts of stuff that even good players can't control. I don't think I've ever lost a pod in highsec but I'm sure its only a question of time and my money is on a marmite being at the other end of the mail 
Edit: after posting that I decided to check. I have in fact lost a pod in highsec about 3 years ago. I'm about due for another one soon. (well two but the second was my good friend Shen helping me pod travel faster) |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2532
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:15:00 -
[198] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
501
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:38:00 -
[199] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem.
And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong 
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2532
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:09:00 -
[200] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem. And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
501
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:18:00 -
[201] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million  You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member. How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem. And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.
Ok, if you insist... There is this one (very tenacious)
Lucas Kell wrote:Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.
Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks.
D.

GåôGåôGåô All trolling aside, if you give 10 million to RVB, it helps the entire group of people that is RVB. Thanks for proving my point. |

Pew Terror
Green Associates
62
|
Posted - 2014.02.13 18:26:00 -
[202] - Quote
This thread delivers almost daily...
I love uneducated people trying to prove stuff with limited understanding of statistics.
Protip #1: Anyone using Excel for that purpose is to be laughed at and publicly shamed.
Offtopic: I once donated 10mil ISK to RvB. Please make a fancy chart explaining how every single RvB kill is now my doing. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2532
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:26:00 -
[203] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Ok, if you insist... There is this one (very tenacious) Lucas Kell wrote:Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.
Aww how sweet, you think I'm a ranking official, and you mistake disdain for tears.
Danalee wrote:Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks. Again? How many times will that make?
It doesn't hurt the alliance as it has no impact on anything the alliance has or does. People have personal wealth separate from the alliance wealth, and that is what you are damaging. If they get ganked in high sec, they can still show up to fleets, help the alliance, and in fact are likely to pay more in tax, as well as spend more time in null. It could be argued that killing null members in high sec actually benefits the alliances.
Danalee wrote:GåôGåôGåô All trolling aside, if you give 10 million to RVB, it helps the entire group of people that is RVB. Thanks for proving my point. If you give it to RvB, yes. If you give it to a random line member and they spend it on personal stuff like a bunch of exotic dancers or a Fedo, it does nothing for the alliance. In the same way, if you take something away from the player and the alliance doesn't reimburse, it doesn't damage the alliance. RvB are arguably slightly different from null sec groups with regard to ships, as they live in high sec. But then they budget for their losses and are willing participants in the war, so it's obviously not impacted them enough to make them leave.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2532
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:32:00 -
[204] - Quote
Pew Terror wrote:This thread delivers almost daily...
I love uneducated people trying to prove stuff with limited understanding of statistics.
Protip #1: Anyone using Excel for that purpose is to be laughed at and publicly shamed.
Offtopic: I once donated 10mil ISK to RvB. Please make a fancy chart explaining how every single RvB kill is now my doing. Consider it done. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Leigh Akiga
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
559
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:05:00 -
[205] - Quote
Danalee wrote:And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong
Consider this in regards to what affects 0.0 alliances: recently Pandemic Legion and NC. lost some 59 titans- mostly between the two of them, along with over 300 dreads 100 carriers and 10ish supers. This loss was catastrophic enough for them to pull out of a war they were doing pretty good in and go huddle in the drone regions- repo all their allies space and go ride bikes.
Somebody would have to do something like this to GSF to be able to say: "Yeah that had an effect."
Killing dudes in highsec will never affect any 0.0 alliance, even when Miniluv intercepts a load of ships on the way to the warzone, they just buy and ship more. Wardecs dont affect 0.0 alliances, killing noobships and shuttles on undocks doesnt affect 0.0 alliances. Killing some idiot in a T3 or a Vindi in Balle doesnt affect 0.0 alliances.
20b, 50b, 100b, 500b per month in individual kills or losses or 'supposed' damage done doesnt even affect 0.0 alliances because idiots who die in dumb ways and outside of specific areas do not qualify for reimbursement so alliance coffers are always unaffected.
GSF will be around 5 years from now and Marmite will not. Some new alliance will wear the highsec 'mercenary' mantle and declare a forever war of success based upon safe and risk-free pvp just like all those that have come before.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
120
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:23:00 -
[206] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:General Lemming wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already! As I expected, an irrelevant alt. Move along kid.  We are receiving the first Goon alt alliance names now. Thanks and keep sending them. You fail again - i'm not an alt and I'm in no way connected to goons. Since you're responding, it must also mean I'm not that irrelevant to you. That's the logic of your orc master, so it cannot be wrong. Funny how literally everything you wrote is a failure  And I am an alien from Mars. Just because you write something doesn't make it true. Let me handle the logic, I am much better at it 
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
501
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:38:00 -
[207] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:Danalee wrote:And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong Consider this in regards to what affects 0.0 alliances: recently Pandemic Legion and NC. lost some 59 titans- mostly between the two of them, along with over 300 dreads 100 carriers and 10ish supers. This loss was catastrophic enough for them to pull out of a war they were doing pretty good in and go huddle in the drone regions- repo all their allies space and go ride bikes. Somebody would have to do something like this to GSF to be able to say: "Yeah that had an effect." Killing dudes in highsec will never affect any 0.0 alliance, even when Miniluv intercepts a load of ships on the way to the warzone, they just buy and ship more. Wardecs dont affect 0.0 alliances, killing noobships and shuttles on undocks doesnt affect 0.0 alliances. Killing some idiot in a T3 or a Vindi in Balle doesnt affect 0.0 alliances. 20b, 50b, 100b, 500b per month in individual kills or losses or 'supposed' damage done doesnt even affect 0.0 alliances because idiots who die in dumb ways and outside of specific areas do not qualify for reimbursement so alliance coffers are always unaffected. GSF will be around 5 years from now and Marmite will not. Some new alliance will wear the highsec 'mercenary' mantle and declare a forever war of success based upon safe and risk-free pvp just like all those that have come before.
Looks like we both have a very deep difference in how we perceive being affected in general. Also, for an alliance that thrives on it's numbers... You don't care much for your numbers.
We'll agree to disagree I gues? I think hurting people in their personal wallets has a much bigger impact in the long run on their alliance than directly hurting the alliance coffers.
You think people don't want isk or ships or personal stuff and should be happy with what the nullbear overlords provide for the occasions where you romp arround in your blob thingies...
Let's leave it at that than?
D.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
120
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:47:00 -
[208] - Quote
I am also looking for all pos you know of in highsec and low sec owned by and of the CFC alliances. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
62
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:50:00 -
[209] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:ust because you write something doesn't make it true.
Yeah, like all your posts about winning this war. But please continue, to our amusement :) Oh, I asked you how much longer we need to wait to see the end of goons and rvb? Gevlon computed any date yet?
General Lemming wrote:Let me handle the logic, I am much better at it 
So you claim your master's logic is wrong? But he's got charts and all...
General Lemming wrote:If they lose enough, they will leave. If they leave, CFC alliances will lose players and income. Less income is even less players.
Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right? |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2533
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:53:00 -
[210] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right? We in fact do almost solely rely on them. Notice how we flew the peasant bombless bombers (damn costly bomb launchers!) right up until we owned a bunch of high sec POCOs, then suddenly pulled out a titan fleet? Coincidence? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
62
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:59:00 -
[211] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right? We in fact do almost solely rely on them. Notice how we flew the peasant bombless bombers (damn costly bomb launchers!) right up until we owned a bunch of high sec POCOs, then suddenly pulled out a titan fleet? Coincidence?
Damn, that makes sense. I wonder why gevlon hasn't made a chart of it yet. Well, I guess you guys are doomed. Can I have your sov? |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2534
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Posted - 2014.02.13 21:09:00 -
[212] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right? We in fact do almost solely rely on them. Notice how we flew the peasant bombless bombers (damn costly bomb launchers!) right up until we owned a bunch of high sec POCOs, then suddenly pulled out a titan fleet? Coincidence? Damn, that makes sense. I wonder why gevlon hasn't made a chart of it yet. Well, I guess you guys are doomed. Can I have your sov? I've heard the Sov is going to be smuggled out of game and converted into real life farmland, where Mittani is going to buy kittens named after each of the core GSF members so they can still rat. When you jump into any regions previously owned by the CFC, you'll just arrive at the Inaro gate instead, where we inevitably met our doom. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2673
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Posted - 2014.02.13 22:12:00 -
[213] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks.
D.
As I showed in my ~maths~ post, if you make the error of assuming Alliance ISK = Sum of all member ISK, then the situation looks pretty bleak, and the damage done is a quite literal rounding error.
125bil from member wallets is not only within the margin of error, I would guestimate you're at least an order of magnitude away from being statistically significant.
If you stop making that error, then you have caused us to replace one POCO.
So.. GSF is down ... whatever 1 POCO costs to deploy. Let's be generous and say it's equal to one week wardeccing one alliance. Gevlon has some catching up to do on his 'ROI' 
It's roughly equivalent to a fly hitting a wind-shield, and claiming it imparted x-amount of kinetic energy, and so "I'm doing damage honest any day now." In both scenarios, the entity being 'hit' would have no means of noticing the impact if it was looking top-down and trying to measure it. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2673
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Posted - 2014.02.13 22:13:00 -
[214] - Quote
tl;dr you can kill CFC members in Jita until Jita runs out of ammo, but you won't present a significant threat to the CFC.
Everyone knows this except Gevlon .. and perhaps Tora. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2385
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Posted - 2014.02.14 01:20:00 -
[215] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Everyone knows this except Gevlon .. and perhaps Tora.
Tora knows it, despite his underlings redefining what it means to be a bad poster at every given opportunity, Tora is a pretty decent and rather intelligent fellow with an interesting sense of 'fun'.
Also- lol this is still a 'thing'? |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
504
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Posted - 2014.02.14 06:08:00 -
[216] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Everyone knows this except Gevlon .. and perhaps Tora. Tora knows it, despite his underlings redefining what it means to be a bad poster at every given opportunity, Tora is a pretty decent and rather intelligent fellow with an interesting sense of 'fun'. Also- lol this is still a 'thing'?
Wait, when did Tora take over PL?
D.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3660
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:32:00 -
[217] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:I am also looking for all pos you know of in highsec and low sec owned by and of the CFC alliances.
Just have Gevlon pay a Goon director for the master list so you can pick and choose. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
857
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Posted - 2014.02.14 09:27:00 -
[218] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:I am also looking for all pos you know of in highsec and low sec owned by and of the CFC alliances. We helped out a bit and popped a Goon pos yesterday. Ok, it was offline and small, but still fun 
Xolve wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Everyone knows this except Gevlon .. and perhaps Tora. Tora knows it, despite his underlings redefining what it means to be a bad poster at every given opportunity, Tora is a pretty decent and rather intelligent fellow with an interesting sense of 'fun'. Also- lol this is still a 'thing'? It's just a game, games should be fun, without an evil enemy games get boring and if you don't try, you already failed before you started. Damn I should eat less fortune cookies. 
Good luck to Lemmings. I see you almost reached 300 players and did some nice damage during the start of the alliance.
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99004027/history/
When Lemmings gets a few thousand players big, we can have some fun together. Imation a few thousand Lemmings in T3's going trough high sec taking over all customs. Or a few thousand players in 50 men bomber fleets with VFK as their base. The possibilities are countless ! YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3660
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Posted - 2014.02.14 09:43:00 -
[219] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:General Lemming wrote:I am also looking for all pos you know of in highsec and low sec owned by and of the CFC alliances. We helped out a bit and popped a Goon pos yesterday. Ok, it was offline and small, but still fun 
Too bad you don't have any secret agents on the inside. Corps really hate it when you change all their POS corp boomarks to the sun, or an ambush location with your fleet at their optimals, while you blast the POS. Or their Jita instaundocks to some Marmite blob. I don't even know if that still works, but was fun back when I did it to terrible highsec corps.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
124
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Posted - 2014.02.14 11:30:00 -
[220] - Quote
I like your way of thinking. Keep those ideas coming. This could go places.  |
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2044
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Posted - 2014.02.14 11:38:00 -
[221] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks. D.  GåôGåôGåô All trolling aside, if you give 10 million to RVB, it helps the entire group of people that is RVB. Thanks for proving my point.
You have a point there when it is in regards of small corps/alliances wich is why it works on high-sec alliances usually but in regards to goons or any other big null entity your idea of 'damage projection' is WAY off.
You damage indivuduals and NOT the big alliances as the people joining them will allways be higher then those leaving.The only time you will be able to affect large alliances is when they are in the process of dying allready , then you can lend a hand to speed up that process.
Thinking otherwise just shows how much you want to believe you are actually doing something 'meaningfull' not only to you or your corp.
This works both ways though , the contribution of one member in a large alliances is totally neglectable usually unless he is in high command unlike people who reside in small corps and alliances.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
125
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:40:00 -
[222] - Quote
flakeys wrote:You damage indivuduals and NOT the big alliances as the people joining them will allways be higher then those leaving.The only time you will be able to affect large alliances is when they are in the process of dying allready , then you can lend a hand to speed up that process. I think this is want you are trying to say here ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXaRtc1f4I
General 'Neo' Lemmings
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Pew Terror
Green Associates
73
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:22:00 -
[223] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Pew Terror wrote:This thread delivers almost daily...
I love uneducated people trying to prove stuff with limited understanding of statistics.
Protip #1: Anyone using Excel for that purpose is to be laughed at and publicly shamed.
Offtopic: I once donated 10mil ISK to RvB. Please make a fancy chart explaining how every single RvB kill is now my doing. Consider it done.
<3 Thx. I knew i was relevent! |

flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2044
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:18:00 -
[224] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:flakeys wrote:You damage indivuduals and NOT the big alliances as the people joining them will allways be higher then those leaving.The only time you will be able to affect large alliances is when they are in the process of dying allready , then you can lend a hand to speed up that process. I think this is want you are trying to say here ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXaRtc1f4IGeneral 'Neo' Lemmings
You might want to MASSIVELY rework your portrait to play neo though ... if buttugly had a face it would be your avatar .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
126
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:32:00 -
[225] - Quote
haha.
It was suppose to be ugly, Goonswarm style. Maybe call it NEO after a long talk with his wife, forgetting Valentines day , while playing Eve ? |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2690
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:48:00 -
[226] - Quote
we just moved north of 14 trillion ISK in a single fleet, how are these rounding errors working out for you guys? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
726
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Posted - 2014.02.15 20:00:00 -
[227] - Quote
Mittens just gave a State of the Goonion address. Lemmings weren't mentioned. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2957
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Posted - 2014.02.15 21:03:00 -
[228] - Quote
For all Gevlon talks up his pets and claims they could defeat or esteemed partner RvB and brags about pod ganks and so forth, the fact that their fleet turned out (in respectable numbers no less) today, AFTER RvBs war aide had dropped, proves one thing: They're all scared ****less of facing RvB in a straight up fight.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
507
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Posted - 2014.02.15 21:18:00 -
[229] - Quote
mynnna wrote:For all Gevlon talks up his pets and claims they could defeat or esteemed partner RvB and brags about pod ganks and so forth, the fact that their fleet turned out (in respectable numbers no less) today, AFTER RvBs war aide had dropped, proves one thing: They're all scared ****less of facing RvB in a straight up fight. 
Pretty sure RVB is indeed waaaaay more scary than goons or any other nullbear bunch. Nobody is stating the opposite. +10 Points for Gryffindor!
D.

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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
726
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:07:00 -
[230] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote:For all Gevlon talks up his pets and claims they could defeat or esteemed partner RvB and brags about pod ganks and so forth, the fact that their fleet turned out (in respectable numbers no less) today, AFTER RvBs war aide had dropped, proves one thing: They're all scared ****less of facing RvB in a straight up fight.  Pretty sure RVB is indeed waaaaay more scary than goons or any other nullbear bunch. Nobody is stating the opposite. +10 Points for Gryffindor! D.  Any group that actually leaves the Jita 4-4 undock must seem scary to you.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
507
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:13:00 -
[231] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Danalee wrote:Pretty sure RVB is indeed waaaaay more scary than goons or any other nullbear bunch. Nobody is stating the opposite. +10 Points for Gryffindor! D.  Any group that actually leaves the Jita 4-4 undock must seem scary to you.
Comming from a risk averse nullbear who wouldn't find his F1 key if an angsty teen wasn't shouting at him... I'll take that as a compliment.
D.
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
128
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:22:00 -
[232] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Mittens just gave a State of the Goonion address. Lemmings weren't mentioned. http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png 
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2957
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:42:00 -
[233] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote:For all Gevlon talks up his pets and claims they could defeat or esteemed partner RvB and brags about pod ganks and so forth, the fact that their fleet turned out (in respectable numbers no less) today, AFTER RvBs war aide had dropped, proves one thing: They're all scared ****less of facing RvB in a straight up fight.  Pretty sure RVB is indeed waaaaay more scary than goons or any other nullbear bunch. Nobody is stating the opposite. +10 Points for Gryffindor! D. 
You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
507
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:54:00 -
[234] - Quote
mynnna wrote: You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.
Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery? That's just... wrong 
This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png
D.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2690
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:10:00 -
[235] - Quote
Last time you reffed the POCOs we didn't have RvB to "hide behind" and you still ran away to the nearest docking ring.
You're going to have to explain how you retreating is an act of us hiding  "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
507
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:23:00 -
[236] - Quote
So sorry, I don't live in your little fantasy so can't comment on it.
Keep up your raid or hellcamp or whatever it is you bears call it. We'll continue the fun on your expense 
D.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2958
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:24:00 -
[237] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote: You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.
Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery? That's just...  wrong  This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png D.  Perhaps, difference is we have no pretensions we're trying to keep up.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
509
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:49:00 -
[238] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote: You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.
Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery? That's just...  wrong  This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png D.  Perhaps, difference is we have no pretensions we're trying to keep up. 
Can't help noticing irony isn't your fort+¬.
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2543
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Posted - 2014.02.16 01:55:00 -
[239] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote:Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote: You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.
Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery? That's just...  wrong  This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png Perhaps, difference is we have no pretensions we're trying to keep up.  Can't help noticing irony isn't your fort+¬. Coming from you, that means quite literally nothing.
I eagerly await yet another failed attempt at a witty retort. Please proceed below.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2543
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Posted - 2014.02.16 01:58:00 -
[240] - Quote
Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote: You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.
Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery? That's just...  wrong  This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png Golly gosh, you are right! People get notifications! Hilarious!
Not quite as amusing as it will be when once again the timers tick down, Lemmings fly to the other side of high sec to keep their distance, and Tora bolts for the docking ring so fast that the order to evac hasn't even been transmitted yet. Or are you actually planning on trying to engage in combat this time?
Oh wait, no, that might damage your precious KB efficiency, then you'd have to find something else to fap to.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
422
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Posted - 2014.02.16 02:31:00 -
[241] - Quote
This thread delivers. Or is it digorno?
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:12:00 -
[242] - Quote
So, I undocked from Jita today, not once, not twice, but four times and got past Marmite's "efforts" every time. How much does the war dec on Caldari Provisions go for?
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
510
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Posted - 2014.02.16 09:07:00 -
[243] - Quote
Johan March wrote:So, I undocked from Jita today, not once, not twice, but four times and got past Marmite's "efforts" every time. How much does the war dec on Caldari Provisions go for?
I bet you fitted a lazor to your otherwise completely shite industrial ship? Yea, don't tell your other drones but we kinda have a thing where we don't shoot people that can shoot back, look at it like hellcamping someone or something... We've been doing it for years now.
D.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
510
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Posted - 2014.02.16 09:11:00 -
[244] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote: You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.
Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery? That's just...  wrong  This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png Golly gosh, you are right! People get notifications! Hilarious! Not quite as amusing as it will be when once again the timers tick down, Lemmings fly to the other side of high sec to keep their distance, and Tora bolts for the docking ring so fast that the order to evac hasn't even been transmitted yet. Or are you actually planning on trying to engage in combat this time? Oh wait, no, that might damage your precious KB efficiency, then you'd have to find something else to fap to.
You allmost look frustrated, little peon? Want to talk about your feelings?
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2547
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Posted - 2014.02.16 11:32:00 -
[245] - Quote
Danalee wrote:You allmost look frustrated, little peon? Want to talk about your feelings? If I were to get frustrated by a game, it would't be down to a bunch of useless nubs high fiving each other because of a notification mail.
See what I mean about your failed attempts at wit though? The trick is it's supposed to be at least in part truth so it makes some kind of sense. Just saying "look at frustration, LOL" and "buckets of tears!" When theres nothing that even resembles either of those things in the thread, it just makes you look desperate to over compensate for your failings.
But by all means, carry on. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
62
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:57:00 -
[246] - Quote
What's funny about a notification mail? |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
131
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:13:00 -
[247] - Quote
It seems RvB is back to purple helping their masters Nice defence fleet Goonies, be prepared to do this more often as Lemmings is growing and growing Now we did 30-35 poco's with 90 ships, soon it will be double/triple etc..... |

Powers Sa
911
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:30:00 -
[248] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:It seems RvB is back to purple helping their masters  Nice defence fleet Goonies, be prepared to do this more often as Lemmings is growing and growing  Now we did 30-35 poco's with 90 ships, soon it will be double/triple etc.....
Quote: INTEL / CTA : POCO Timers Guys,
Its seems the poco's will be first. Let's see what RvB does (they have till 19:15 to respond). Personally I care less about poco's and even if RvB wanted them, it would be fine with me. I just dont want any CFC alliance to have extra resources in high sec. They have enough **** in 0.0 land.
I suggest we pop them and give others the option to claim them. Local Jita shout would work fine. Or if you personal corp wants them, have a poco ready. That way Goonies have to declare war on many corps, who can let new allies in for free.
General Lemming
coward alliance
edit: are there people that are still so simplistic that they think of all eve relationships as master/pet? lol |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:34:00 -
[249] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:It seems RvB is back to purple helping their masters  Nice defence fleet Goonies, be prepared to do this more often as Lemmings is growing and growing  Now we did 30-35 poco's with 90 ships, soon it will be double/triple etc.....
Gevlon, making charts so you don't have to: http://imgur.com/3Sdr9g1
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
329
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 00:52:00 -
[250] - Quote
RvB is back in because we think Gevlon is annoying and we want to see him eat crow 
Also both RvB and goons have 90 man fleets out right now. And that's with the goons hellcamping N3 in... so... good luck taking any pocos. |
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
131
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:08:00 -
[251] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:RvB is back in because we think Gevlon is annoying and we want to see him eat crow  Also both RvB and goons have 90 man fleets out right now. And that's with the goons hellcamping N3 in... so... good luck taking any pocos. Thanks for being back where we want you Some of you really don't see why we are doing this, are you? Good, let's keep it that way.
@ Goons : You'll eat what I keep feeding you. If it looks like a bird, sings like a bird, its probably not a bird 
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Powers Sa
915
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:10:00 -
[252] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Professor Clio wrote:RvB is back in because we think Gevlon is annoying and we want to see him eat crow  Also both RvB and goons have 90 man fleets out right now. And that's with the goons hellcamping N3 in... so... good luck taking any pocos. Thanks for being back where we want you  Some of you really don't see why we are doing this, are you? Good, let's keep it that way. @ Goons : You'll eat what I keep feeding you. If it looks like a bird, sings like a bird, its probably not a bird  FIRST "RIGHT WHERE WE WANT YOU" POST OF THIS THREAD.
                 lol |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
329
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 01:12:00 -
[253] - Quote
"I've got you right where I want to" is such an original response.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 01:16:00 -
[254] - Quote
About this blog post:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.fr/2014/02/did-you-watch-goon-stream-carefully.html
Why didn't you care dealing with the second timer of the pocos? |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2690
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 01:20:00 -
[255] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Professor Clio wrote:RvB is back in because we think Gevlon is annoying and we want to see him eat crow  Also both RvB and goons have 90 man fleets out right now. And that's with the goons hellcamping N3 in... so... good luck taking any pocos. Thanks for being back where we want you  Some of you really don't see why we are doing this, are you? Good, let's keep it that way. @ Goons : You'll eat what I keep feeding you. If it looks like a bird, sings like a bird, its probably not a bird 
"We're just reinforcing them so you have to rep them!"
"We're going to ignore it takes more time to RF them than rep them because _______ "
Also I made a graph http://i.imgur.com/AMgO6WG.png "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 01:34:00 -
[256] - Quote
"GUYS GUYS GOONS ARE DOING SOMETHING IN NULL THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY FORM ENOUGH PEOPLE UP TO REP.... oh. Forgot they had more than a few hundred people." -Gevlon "goalposts" Goblin. Still awaiting his first victory. |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
729
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 01:54:00 -
[257] - Quote
I have to give credit where credit is due: Marmites are pulling a heck of a scam by continuing to get Gevlon to fund their wardecs. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
331
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 02:09:00 -
[258] - Quote
Rhes wrote:I have to give credit where credit is due: Marmites are pulling a heck of a scam by continuing to get Gevlon to fund their wardecs.
Is it really a scam when the mark is so dumb that they offer you their money for doing what you already were though? More like the smart play. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
762
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 03:35:00 -
[259] - Quote
Rhes wrote:I have to give credit where credit is due: Marmites are pulling a heck of a scam by continuing to get Gevlon to fund their wardecs.
I've never, ever heard of a mercenary that wanted a war to be won.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
729
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 03:50:00 -
[260] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Rhes wrote:I have to give credit where credit is due: Marmites are pulling a heck of a scam by continuing to get Gevlon to fund their wardecs. I've never, ever heard of a mercenary that wanted a war to be won. Yeah but for the amount of money Gevlon has spent so far you'd think they'd have a POCO or two to show for it. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3682
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Posted - 2014.02.17 04:27:00 -
[261] - Quote
I'm calling it now: Lemmings will join TEST and together, with the rest of Gevlon's isk, they will defeats Goons. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Northern Misfit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
78
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 05:16:00 -
[262] - Quote
I've lost count of how many times I've gotten all dressed up for a party and no one came 
Next time I'm flying naked. I am the girl your mother warned you about.-á
-á |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
763
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 06:22:00 -
[263] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:I'm calling it now: Lemmings will join TEST and together, with the rest of Gevlon's isk, they will defeats Goons.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=21978396
You might want to ask these guys if they are finished being extorted by TEST yet. Would be impolite really to end an extortion like that early.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
62
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Posted - 2014.02.17 06:23:00 -
[264] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Professor Clio wrote:RvB is back in because we think Gevlon is annoying and we want to see him eat crow  Also both RvB and goons have 90 man fleets out right now. And that's with the goons hellcamping N3 in... so... good luck taking any pocos. Thanks for being back where we want you  Some of you really don't see why we are doing this, are you? Good, let's keep it that way. @ Goons : You'll eat what I keep feeding you. If it looks like a bird, sings like a bird, its probably not a bird 
And we dropped to kindergarten level responses. "We can't do ****, but we have you right where we wanted." |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2694
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 10:37:00 -
[265] - Quote
once again, highsec mechanics and neutrals buzzing around in frigates posed a greater real-world threat than everything Gevlon paid for.
also i'm pretty sure we lost a flight of gardes somewhere, i have no idea how we will replace those.
oh i do, we have a whole load of pocos that print isk "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2694
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 10:40:00 -
[266] - Quote
it's still hilarious to me that gevlon's original plan was "all we have to do is keep them reinforced, and their customers will go elsewhere as they can't use them!"
which doesn't work, because that's not how it works.
this whole exercise is just him gnashing his teeth and refusing to admit his re-revised plan "to take all goon pocos in highsec" is completely untenable.
oh and lots of excel graphs about what marmite were already doing "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 10:42:00 -
[267] - Quote
You would be just amazed by how much money empire pocos next to jita make.
Hint more zeros than your finger could count. |

Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 10:55:00 -
[268] - Quote
Good guys win again. Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2548
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 10:55:00 -
[269] - Quote
Joepopo wrote:You would be just amazed by how much money empire pocos next to jita make.
Hint more zeros than your finger could count. I think you underestimate the number of fingers on the hand of someone as inbred as Gevlon.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
132
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 11:26:00 -
[270] - Quote
* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. * Powers will keep sending pings. * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. * Blues wont be blues for ever. * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. * Most wont see where this is going. * I will be posting more lines. * Ok I lied, this was the last line.
<3 
Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet  |
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Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 11:31:00 -
[271] - Quote
Look, I need you to post something about ~wulfpax~ so I can win a bet.
Thanks in advance. Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 11:51:00 -
[272] - Quote
General Lemmings, I am happy to hear that, from your perspective, everything is going well. Keep us updated about that thing you're doing and nobody understand.
I agree with the rest here, for now you don't have much achievements to back your claims at all. No Poco, no fleet fights, no space, no scam, no victories. But if you manage to get something done, I will definitely be proud of you. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:02:00 -
[273] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet 
Why? Are you going to start posting like you know how Eve works more? That's the only 'annoying' thing you do. Everything else is fuel for our amusement. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2548
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:02:00 -
[274] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. * Powers will keep sending pings. * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. * Blues wont be blues for ever. * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. * Most wont see where this is going. * I will be posting more lines. * Ok I lied, this was the last line. <3  Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet  The only goon tears here are one generated from the laughter as they point out the quite literally hundreds of flaws in your ideas. Honestly, if CCP had hired clowns to generate entertainment, they still wouldn't be as clueless as you guys.
As for your "intel", you really aren't bright enough to fool people with any of that. I'm fairly sure even casual observers that aren't involved know what you are doing before you do.
As for growing, that I don;t doubt at all. Considering your recruitment criteria is non existent, it's pretty difficult for you to not grow. But membership numbers count for nothing when you are incapable of leading them.
And TEST... they are still about? Now I'm worried. Come on goons, get shaking, the end is nigh. Remember that group of halfwits that got absolutely crushed out of fountain, had half its leadership jump ship robbing everything on their way out? Yeah, those guys. They might join Lemmings! The end is nigh! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:09:00 -
[275] - Quote
General Lemming wrote: * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it.
WOAH WOAH WOAH, I MISSED A PUPPETMASTAAAAAAAAAAA LINE!!!
We bow to your superior puppetmasta intellect. All those guys you got to form up must have really appreciated having their time wasted so you could play puppetmastaaaaa.
We really need to get that poco (non)war bingo card sorted. |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:10:00 -
[276] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:General Lemming wrote: * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it.
WOAH WOAH WOAH, I MISSED A PUPPETMASTAAAAAAAAAAA LINE!!! We bow to your superior puppetmasta intellect. All those guys you got to form up must have really appreciated having their time wasted so you could play puppetmastaaaaa. We really need to get that poco (non)war bingo card sorted.
Ahah puppet, you answered exactly as he meant you to. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:15:00 -
[277] - Quote
Joepopo wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:General Lemming wrote: * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it.
WOAH WOAH WOAH, I MISSED A PUPPETMASTAAAAAAAAAAA LINE!!! We bow to your superior puppetmasta intellect. All those guys you got to form up must have really appreciated having their time wasted so you could play puppetmastaaaaa. We really need to get that poco (non)war bingo card sorted. Ahah puppet, you answered exactly as he meant you to.
Dangit, fell for his amazing puppetmastaness.
Oh high and mighty Puppetmasta Lemming, please teach us the ways of true highsec puppetmastary so we can be winning like you. All our victory conditions are being met, and our fleets never stand down. We don't know how this is happening and dearly need to start losing the fights that matter so we can be winning like you.
Waaaaaaiiiiitttt....... |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
180
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:21:00 -
[278] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote: Oh high and mighty Puppetmasta Lemming, please teach us the ways of true highsec puppetmastary so we can be winning like you. All our victory conditions are being met, and our fleets never stand down. We don't know how this is happening and dearly need to start losing the fights that matter so we can be winning like you.
Waaaaaaiiiiitttt.......
Stop giving him what he wants. You're doing exactly what he wants. I am doing exactly what he wants by trying and stop you. We re enacting his carefully masterminded plot. We should stop posting now. |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
180
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:22:00 -
[279] - Quote
He probably wanted us to stop posting from the start and organised a high-sec antigoon alliance for that purpose...
Stop not posting at once. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
91
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 12:22:00 -
[280] - Quote
Hold on, I said "losing" fights. Dangit again, Puppetmasta Lemming tricked me into thinking that his side was losing when all along they were just not fighting in the first place.
Oh mighty Puppetmasta Lemming, your puppetmasta powers are beyond measure. |
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
65
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Posted - 2014.02.17 12:42:00 -
[281] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. * Powers will keep sending pings. * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. * Blues wont be blues for ever. * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. * Most wont see where this is going. * I will be posting more lines. * Ok I lied, this was the last line. <3  Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet 
Almost like a SOTA. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
512
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:02:00 -
[282] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:General Lemming wrote:* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. * Powers will keep sending pings. * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. * Blues wont be blues for ever. * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. * Most wont see where this is going. * I will be posting more lines. * Ok I lied, this was the last line. <3  Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet  Almost like a SOTA.
Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails 
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:06:00 -
[283] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote: [...] Almost like a SOTA.
Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  D. 
Ouch. That one hurt. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:10:00 -
[284] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:General Lemming wrote:* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. * Powers will keep sending pings. * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. * Blues wont be blues for ever. * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. * Most wont see where this is going. * I will be posting more lines. * Ok I lied, this was the last line. <3  Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet  Almost like a SOTA.
I'm going to not troll post now, and break it down for them... But in a totally new format, the "Neon Goblin Evangevlon This (something) that" format.
* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. **We are (not) winning * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. **We are (not) going to fight * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. **We (don't) know how they feel * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. **We'll (never) have our chance * Powers will keep sending pings. **We're (not) wasting your time * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. **Something (PUPPETMASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) something * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). **We will (never) be big enough * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. **They (didn't) win their last 2 fights with goons * Blues wont be blues for ever. **We are (not) making you worry about your allies * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. **(puppetmasta) * Most wont see where this is going. **(PUPPETMASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) * I will be posting more lines. **(I think) I'm funny * Ok I lied, this was the last line. **I'm (not) funny
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2549
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:10:00 -
[285] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Almost like a SOTA. Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  While that SOTA was being made, I reinforced all of the POCOs the Lemmings own. Fact. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:13:00 -
[286] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  D. 
Constantly, once?
And those are the POCOs that nobody bothered to show up to contest last night? Those POCOs? I see it now, the sea of goblin and marmite POCO tags, Goons driven from hisec per Goblin's master baiting plan. Oh wait, that didn't happen.
But goblin is winning anyway. He said so on his blog. We lost opportunity costs because we weren't ratting, the backbone of GSF /CFC income.
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Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:16:00 -
[287] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  D. 
Sadly for you guys, TEST had more of an impact during that SOTA dropping SBUs in VFK. The impact being they had the balls to have a fight, and went to a system they couldn't just run away from a fight and dock up in. |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:21:00 -
[288] - Quote
Johan March wrote:Danalee wrote:Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  D.  Constantly, once? And those are the POCOs that nobody bothered to show up to contest last night? Those POCOs? I see it now, the sea of goblin and marmite POCO tags, Goons driven from hisec per Goblin's master baiting plan. Oh wait, that didn't happen. But goblin is winning anyway. He said so on his blog. We lost opportunity costs because we weren't ratting, the backbone of GSF /CFC income.
I brought my ratting ship to defend the poco.
It was scimitar... |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
512
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:28:00 -
[289] - Quote
Joepopo wrote: I brought my ratting ship to defend the poco. It was scimitar...
Bad goonie! You should be raiding/poopsocking/hellcamping or something!
Johan March wrote: Constantly, once?
We know you are bad with numbers but 90messages <> 1 Or didn't you pay attention to your master?
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:35:00 -
[290] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Joepopo wrote: I brought my ratting ship to defend the poco. It was scimitar...
Bad goonie! You should be raiding/poopsocking/hellcamping or something!
How do you know for sure I didn't have an AFK dominix with drone assisted on a FC running in the background? |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
512
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:37:00 -
[291] - Quote
Joepopo wrote: How do you know for sure I didn't have an AFK dominix with drone assisted on a FC running in the background?
The epitome of elite PVP in nullsec. I bet you had that, next to a sock and an empty bottle. Thanks for sharing 
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:43:00 -
[292] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Joepopo wrote: How do you know for sure I didn't have an AFK dominix with drone assisted on a FC running in the background?
The epitome of elite PVP in nullsec. I bet you had that, next to a sock and an empty bottle. Thanks for sharing  D. 
This is correct. I told in fleet chat I finished my bottle of laphroaig 10y that evening and we talked extensively about how good it was. Were you spying on us?
Edit: Do you really need to sign your posts? |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
512
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 13:49:00 -
[293] - Quote
Naturally I've got spies, in fact, my main is a goonie goon. I once signed a post by accident and it got all sorts of feathers ruffled, haven't stopped doing it ever since 
D.
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Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:02:00 -
[294] - Quote
True story: Most of us were dual logged on our lemmings/marmite alts, laughing in mumble about all the hurfblurf grr goons chatter.
I think about 70% of the fleet was doing that, while the rest talked about sci-fi. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:26:00 -
[295] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:True story: Most of us were dual logged on our lemmings/marmite alts, laughing in mumble about all the hurfblurf grr goons chatter.
I think about 70% of the fleet was doing that, while the rest talked about sci-fi. It does make you wonder how many Lemmings are in fact CFC alts. I pretty much aim to inflate their numbers for fun. I'm trying to always be more than 1% of their alliance population, just so I can get 24 hour coverage of laughing at their sperg without being obvious. :D
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 14:34:00 -
[296] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:True story: Most of us were dual logged on our lemmings/marmite alts, laughing in mumble about all the hurfblurf grr goons chatter.
I think about 70% of the fleet was doing that, while the rest talked about sci-fi. It does make you wonder how many Lemmings are in fact CFC alts. I pretty much aim to inflate their numbers for fun. I'm trying to always be more than 1% of their alliance population, just so I can get 24 hour coverage of laughing at their sperg without being obvious. :D
7 are my guys in lemmings. Though that number can't be right, because goons don't have alts, Gevlon says so. |

Powers Sa
924
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:41:00 -
[297] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too. * As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps. * Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not. * You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's. * Powers will keep sending pings. * I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. * Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400). * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon. * Blues wont be blues for ever. * Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums. * Most wont see where this is going. * I will be posting more lines. * Ok I lied, this was the last line. <3  Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet  There is no such thing as pets. There are such things as allies.
Danalee wrote:[quote=Pete Butcher] Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  D. 
Implying anyone even cared they were being reinforced at the time. lol |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 14:42:00 -
[298] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
If I was in lemmings, I'd be too scared to undock, because someone's gonna get something valuable AWOXed by a burner spy sooner or later.
All pieces are falling into place, soon Gevlon will unveil the dramatic finale for this: Nothing will happen. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:01:00 -
[299] - Quote
Joepopo wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:
If I was in lemmings, I'd be too scared to undock, because someone's gonna get something valuable AWOXed by a burner spy sooner or later.
All pieces are falling into place, soon Gevlon will unveil the dramatic finale for this: Nothing will happen.
Ahhhh, so that's what the "Most won't see where this is going" line was about. I see, I see. |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
338
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:20:00 -
[300] - Quote
I had to take a fleet three jumps for two hours. It was so strenuous an effort that today not a single RvB member logged in!
As a funny aside we sent a squad of inties into uedema and since marmite expected us all to be in perimeter they quickly lost half a dozen ships, including Tora losing a T2 trimarked oracle (odd fit if you ask me but maybe docking game oracles are a thing) |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6530
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:24:00 -
[301] - Quote
if only we knew that a massive show of force that terrified marmite and gevlon back into their shame holes was what they actually wanted
we've been such fools, getting ourselves into a situation where our great victories are meaningless because you apparently meant to do that Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:27:00 -
[302] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:if only we knew that a massive show of force that terrified marmite and gevlon back into their shame holes was what they actually wanted
we've been such fools, getting ourselves into a situation where our great victories are meaningless because you apparently meant to do that
It wasn't that massive. It was a just a flacid **** slap in the face if you ask me. |

Powers Sa
925
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:39:00 -
[303] - Quote
Despite no fights, our numbers keep growing for the defense stuff. Kind of working the opposite way of what you intended.
You guys have moved the goalposts from the very simple first objective.
As you haven't taken any, you're all losers xD
How do you guys feel about the rest of the mercenary community writing off pretty much all highsec mercs except for freight club? lol |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:41:00 -
[304] - Quote
They are better at not winning. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6530
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 15:45:00 -
[305] - Quote
General Lemming wrote: * TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon.
i mean this sincerely when i say you and test are a perfect match Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
512
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 16:22:00 -
[306] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Despite no fights, our numbers keep growing for the defense stuff. Kind of working the opposite way of what you intended. You guys have moved the goalposts from the very simple first objective. As you haven't taken any, you're all losers xD How do you guys feel about the rest of the mercenary community writing off pretty much all highsec mercs except for freight club?
Well, you actually have a point there... We possibly underestimated the amount of mind numbing boredom in null making more and more goons prefer chasing ghosts in hisec above it. On the other hand, maybe it's exactly what we want 
As for the merc community writing off stuff, this weird sentence comes from a weird imagination. I'm 100% sure this has zero effect on us 
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 16:27:00 -
[307] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Well, you actually have a point there... We possibly underestimated the amount of mind numbing boredom in null making more and more goons prefer chasing ghosts in hisec above it. On the other hand, maybe it's exactly what we want 
You need to factor in the numbers of people in the CFC. Now, fleets are not advertised anymore because any op that is advertised will fill 2 or 3 fleets full of primary ship doctrine. There is usually a couple of hundreds ready on moment's notice.
So, of course, messing with high sec to collect tears will bring a decent amount of people. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3692
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 17:04:00 -
[308] - Quote
Has anyone considered offering Gevlon a sweetheart rental deal? For about the same as he's paying in war costs, he could have a nice system to frolick in. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 17:16:00 -
[309] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Has anyone considered offering Gevlon a sweetheart rental deal? For about the same as he's paying in war costs, he could have a nice system to frolick in.
How do you want people to believe you are smart when you say stuff like this? |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
135
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 17:25:00 -
[310] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Almost like a SOTA. Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails  While that SOTA was being made, I reinforced all of the POCOs the Lemmings own. Fact. Not according to my list, not even close 
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 17:31:00 -
[311] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:While that SOTA was being made, I reinforced all of the POCOs the Lemmings own. Fact. Not according to my list, not even close 
Calling bluff until you provide us a proof screenshot of your poco list. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
67
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 17:52:00 -
[312] - Quote
Goblins response to Lucas on his blog:
Quote:@Lucas: let me explain it to you. You - like I did when I was younger - "know" things. I mean, you look around and say "this must be this way, it can't be any other way". ... I can't ask you to blindly believe me. However I ask you to just watch what will happen.
He actually thinks he knows CFC better than a member of it, despite never been there for a second. And he's playing the "I was like you when I was younger" card, while having exactly zero experience. Wow, he really is pitiful. |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
338
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 18:35:00 -
[313] - Quote
Hahahaha! Gevlon is now claiming RvB is RMTing our POCO income. Man the delusion is strong in this one.  |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 18:48:00 -
[314] - Quote
Please note this helpful measuring tool which shows the Lemmings / Marmite success metric, measured against Goblin's stated goal of taking all Goon poco's in hisec.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 19:18:00 -
[315] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:And I am not impressed about your nul bear Goonies defence fleets. You might think you make any impact here in high sec, but it just doesn't work that way here. You will still lose ships, more and more. Currently 12B more losses for you guys after 1 month or so. Am not going to explain how things work any further. Its tempting, but you have to find out yourself. And thanks for all the replies confirming my state of the Lemons. Just a point of fact, Goons don't think they make an impact at all. The only time they want to make an impact is when they want to steer the economy, which they do well. Unlike you, they don't automatically assume that any time a butterfly flaps it's wings in VFK, explosions occur on the Jita undock.
And oh no, I responded! More win for the autistic puppetmasta and his little lemmings.  The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6544
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 19:58:00 -
[316] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:EDIT : Make your own list :) And I am not impressed about your nul bear Goonies defence fleets. You might think you make any impact here in high sec, but it just doesn't work that way here. You will still lose ships, more and more. Currently 12B more losses for you guys after 1 month or so. Am not going to explain how things work any further. Its tempting, but you have to find out yourself. And thanks for all the replies confirming my state of the Lemons. gevlon spends 4b a week, which amounts to 16b a month
we've still got our pocos Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 20:00:00 -
[317] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:General Lemming wrote:EDIT : Make your own list :) And I am not impressed about your nul bear Goonies defence fleets. You might think you make any impact here in high sec, but it just doesn't work that way here. You will still lose ships, more and more. Currently 12B more losses for you guys after 1 month or so. Am not going to explain how things work any further. Its tempting, but you have to find out yourself. And thanks for all the replies confirming my state of the Lemons. gevlon spends 4b a week, which amounts to 16b a month we've still got our pocos
Careful, they get upset when people make sense. |

Northern Misfit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
83
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Posted - 2014.02.17 20:54:00 -
[318] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Hahahaha! Gevlon is now claiming RvB is RMTing our POCO income. Man the delusion is strong in this one. 
Really? How come my mortgage payment came out of my bank account then? I demand a full audit Mr. CFO!! I am the girl your mother warned you about.-á
-á |

Powers Sa
930
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Posted - 2014.02.17 21:31:00 -
[319] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Despite no fights, our numbers keep growing for the defense stuff. Kind of working the opposite way of what you intended. You guys have moved the goalposts from the very simple first objective. As you haven't taken any, you're all losers xD How do you guys feel about the rest of the mercenary community writing off pretty much all highsec mercs except for freight club? Well, you actually have a point there... We possibly underestimated the amount of mind numbing boredom in null making more and more goons prefer chasing ghosts in hisec above it. On the other hand, maybe it's exactly what we want  As for the merc community writing off stuff, this weird sentence comes from a weird imagination. I'm 100% sure this has zero effect on us  D.  Guys who would normally run a home defense gang in deklein run down in interceptors in about 10minutes and hop into my ishtar fleet and marmite fucks off to gatecamp and get wrecked: https://zkillboard.com/related/30002768/201402170000/ Please tell me more about your **** tier puppetmastering.
Written off here: http://declarationsofwar.com/?p=636 Here: http://psianhauvyander.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-current-state-of-mercenaries-in-eve.html And here: http://psianhauvyander.blogspot.com/2014/02/interview-with-mercenaries-featuring.html
Hope that helps. lol |

Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 21:36:00 -
[320] - Quote
I suppose they couldn't dock fast enough. Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
513
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Posted - 2014.02.17 22:41:00 -
[321] - Quote
Now now, mister powers, please stay calm/smug as ever, the raging nullbear look is so bad on you.
Ok, so you got all dressed up for the occasion and couldn't find anyone to drop on while RVB gets the fights. RVB sometimes even kills some of ours. Good.
Powers Sa wrote:The Darwins Lemmings dudes all login and go camp a gate and get wrecked: http://purple.rvbeve.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=715937The second RVB is dropped from a war, you guys crawl out of your hovels to try and make a meaningful impact on your goal of taking all of our pocos, and you fail each time. Please tell me more about your **** tier puppetmastering. Oooooh, that's it? RVB got some fights with Lemmings aswel, won some, lost some, all the while you were still all dressed up with no place to go except for repping 30-odd pocos. Meanwhile, Marmites are everywhere except where you are and having fun, killing trillions worth of ships in fights, camps, mercy killings and plain old ganks. I think I know what your problem is, do you? Might consider doing your own dirty and stop having Hisec pvp'ers as meatshield maybe?
^^ That's some funny stuff, some mercs loose work and blame it on all other hisec mercs... yeah  I'm still pretty sure we have no impact whatsoever from your or their tears. Clients a plenty and fun for all.
in any case, here I was thinking you were having fun... proved me wrong. Take it out on N3 or something because you sure as heck won't be able to do anything about Marmites nor Lemmings, that's just simple fact.
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
191
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 23:02:00 -
[322] - Quote
:3 I would repair pocos all day long. You can almost hear the ISK flowing inside if when your near them.
Each one we repair makes a clingy sound of cash machine.
We re nullbears because highsec just wasn't enough for our greed.
Fun fact: The fleet to save pocos was from theta squad, the moneymaking interest group. |

Ed Tekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 02:13:00 -
[323] - Quote
Bajillionaire philanthropist Ed Tekki here, with a new edition of The Goblin Exposed. In this issue, we talk about how Gevlon is winning the war against goons, and how goons are poor and don't use alts.
READ ON!
http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/this-is-not-that-sperg-thank-god.html |

Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:14:00 -
[324] - Quote
shame holes ITT |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 02:31:00 -
[325] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:* I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it. The only relevant bit of 'intel' is the POCO timer. Since you neither have the ability nor mental fortitude to stop us from saving them, anything else to know about you is quite irrelevant.
And, lol, if TEST want to lower themselves to highsec PVP that's all well and good, but we need some advance warning so we can get an extra space added to our fail-cascade bingo card.
I mean our renters have been dunking TEST with no help, these are your big white hope? hahaa
Keep grinding those POCOs! Your complete cowardice this week meant we didn't even have to rep most of them, yay regen!
According to the notifications, it looks like its taking you guys 10x longer to REF a POCO than it is us to REP one.
But we're the ones being puppetmastered~~~~
ahahahah you guys.
Danalee wrote:Oooooh, that's it? RVB got some fights with Lemmings aswel, won some, lost some, all the while you were still all dressed up with no place to go except for repping 30-odd pocos
You guys seem very proud that you hurf for days to get the largest form-up possible, then stay docked because you realise the docking radius doesn't extent to the POCOs.
I mean I'm all for strong tactics, and as of yet you're quite right that sitting in a station whimpering is without counter.
The part you forget is we rescued our POCOs and continue to roll around in piles of money, you guys are still rescuing the damsel for chump change 100 times a day.
e: Oh GOD Gevlon's new post.
"I'm a raging autist who doesn't understand how a coalition works. Please change it to my bizarre view of the world so I can understand it, and then I will stop flushing all my money down the toilet. OR ELSE*"
* - PUPPETMASTER STUFF YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND BUT BE SURE I WILL TAKE OVER THE WHOLE GAME IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT I SAY.
I literally now believe he's quite troubled  "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
339
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:52:00 -
[326] - Quote
I'm starting to think gevlons blog is actually some sort of avant garde comedy experiment. Think about it. |

Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 03:45:00 -
[327] - Quote
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/there-will-be-no-goons.html?m=1
Quote: After these I don't think it's running ahead to name our terms that the Goons must accept for peace.
I laughed so hard I ruptured something. Consider me the first actual Goon casualty in this "war." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10249
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 03:46:00 -
[328] - Quote
the alliance that has had entire coalitions arrayed against it is going to be taken down by hisec wardeccers
you heard it from gevlon first Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 03:47:00 -
[329] - Quote
Andski wrote:the alliance that has had entire coalitions arrayed against it is going to be taken down by hisec wardeccers
you heard it from gevlon first
No no no, you missed the point.
They've already won, and now its time to accept the terms of our surrender.
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2014.02.18 03:53:00 -
[330] - Quote
Hey Gevlon, I have a stutter.
So if I call you a P-ppuu-uupuuu-puuu-p-p-p-ppubb--eee-bbeee-PUBBIE how much would I have to p-pp-p-ay in fines? |
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Ed Tekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.02.18 04:34:00 -
[331] - Quote
Unfortunate news from the editorial desks of the Goblin Exposed. Due to reading Gevlons latest blog, several staff members have died due to that thing that happens when you're laughing too hard and can't breathe.
This is a sad day for investigative journalism.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6551
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 05:19:00 -
[332] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:I'm starting to think gevlons blog is actually some sort of avant garde comedy experiment. Think about it. aren't you afraid of his ominous posts about you :ohdear: Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1687
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:23:00 -
[333] - Quote
Quote:other players are inferior to Goons
You finally got something right gevlon. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:24:00 -
[334] - Quote
*rubs forehead*
Gevlon... what are you doing?!? Are you trying to boost the morale of the goons? Because while you do have a very valid point that the goons play-style is grief/tears driven at times, your demands are ridiculous. Boiled down, they amount to the goons not being goons.
Even if 1: you *had* crushed the goon poco empire and 2: that actually *was* a significant blow to them, t hey still wouldn't agree to these demands. It would just motivate them to fight harder.
So what are you trying to achieve here? Not only are you boosting the goon morale, you are also hurting your credibility since point 1 and 2 haven't even been fulfiled.
I also see you threaten a "special announcement" for RvB tomorrow. Now I'm not too worried since some of your previous special announcements have been underwhelming. But before you make it... are you sure that you aren't just going to be motivating us more? |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
68
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:46:00 -
[335] - Quote
When I thought it couldn't get more absurd, goblin publishes another post. I think even marmite got a good laugh from it. And some big announcement for rvb? You guys should get ready for some stats and a chart! |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3696
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Posted - 2014.02.18 07:31:00 -
[336] - Quote
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/there-will-be-no-goons.html?m=1
I think I woke the neighborhood up laughing. Um, no offense...
Can we get an open discussuion of this blog post on it's own thread. It is a literary something. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
773
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Posted - 2014.02.18 08:59:00 -
[337] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/there-will-be-no-goons.html?m=1
I think I woke the neighborhood up laughing. Um, no offense...
Can we get an open discussuion of this blog post on it's own thread. It is a literary something.
Its a fun piece of propaganda. I'm sure he is enjoying writing those, its one of the perks of the way EVE works that things like propaganda are relevant (unlike trying to integer overflow the gold counter in WoW).
Pretty much the propoganda is all about low hanging fruit though.
30b of pblrd losses is still a small part of the 250b / mo plbrds actually lose (if you thought goons were bad... you aint seen nuffin), and appears to be basically an accounting translation, 4b / w of gevlons money buys the ability to accounting move 30b of the losses that existed anyway, from marmites own preexisting figures to gevlons figures. Doesn't actually change preexisting figures.
300 players are the easily recruited lemmings. The next 300 will be harder, as finding kills for the next 300 will largely not involve shooting more plbrds, as thats a fully tapped resource, nor shooting more bad goon flagged characters hauling, as thats also a fully tapped resource, but has to come largely from poco warfleets - ie the gains can no longer come in low hanging fruit.
I'd also imagine that given another month, the original 300 players will start to run their course (ie natural desubs, people recrutiing to their next thing as they get bored, or better or whatever), so ultimately he'll reach some equilibrium where he can only really recruit what he is losing. ie he can be as successful as he is now at recruiting, and eventually just be standing still, with all his very own graphs flatlined.
The failure to take any pocos is a particular concern for trying to increase the rate of recruiting - which is ultimately necessary to avoid the flatline.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.02.18 09:18:00 -
[338] - Quote
Nevermind pocos, let's get straight to step 3: PROFIT! |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
137
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:08:00 -
[339] - Quote
Garven Dreis wrote:I suppose they couldn't dock fast enough. Aren't you that Marmite spy ? Nice corp histo (C&C aka Marmites), funny they didn't see that. 
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Ed Tekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:18:00 -
[340] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:I suppose they couldn't dock fast enough. Aren't you that Marmite spy ? Nice corp histo (C&C aka Marmites), funny they didn't see that. 
General Lemming, Ed Tekki of the Goblin Exposed. Can we have a comment on your financiers apparent mental breakdown. |
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
137
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:34:00 -
[341] - Quote
Ed Tekki wrote:General Lemming wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:I suppose they couldn't dock fast enough. Aren't you that Marmite spy ? Nice corp histo (C&C aka Marmites), funny they didn't see that.  General Lemming, Ed Tekki of the Goblin Exposed. Can we have a comment on your financiers apparent mental breakdown. These are clearly Goon lies and propaganda ! When your HQ is ours, you will suffer !
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:09:00 -
[342] - Quote
General Lemming wrote: When your HQ is ours, you will suffer !
You do sound much like Harry the clown at the beginning of his goon hate delusion. |

Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:29:00 -
[343] - Quote
I wasn't aware Mordus Angels had a high-sec branch. Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:10:00 -
[344] - Quote
I literally cannot stop laughing after reading Gevlon's latest blog post. I hope it's some sort of clever and extremely subtle troll (or like Arkady surmised, avant garde comedy), because otherwise .
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Thius Taxus Thellere
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:14:00 -
[345] - Quote
Look. We're well on our way to another 60+ thread arguing about Gevlon's latest postings. |

Ted McManfist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:17:00 -
[346] - Quote
General Lemming wrote: And I am not impressed about your nul bear Goonies defence fleets.
You are impressed enough to run away
General Lemming wrote:You might think you make any impact here in high sec, but it just doesn't work that way here. You will still lose ships, more and more. Currently 12B more losses for you guys after 1 month or so. Am not going to explain how things work any further. Its tempting, but you have to find out yourself. And thanks for all the replies confirming my state of the Lemons.
Please, educate me on how things work. You haven't captured a single Goon-owned POCO. You haven't fought over a single timer. How are you winning again? Oh, that's right, MY OPPORTUNITY COST!! Bloo bloo bloo bloo
:condi:
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Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:41:00 -
[347] - Quote
Looking for an opportunity cost appraisal for Gevlon posting.
Please respond. Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Ed Tekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:42:00 -
[348] - Quote
The remaining reporters at the Goblin Exposed have pushed through their sorrow to aide me in making this, possibly the last, report.
Please take a moment to read, possibly put some sad Elton John music on, and read the latest, and possibly the final edition of The Goblin Exposed.
http://goblinexposed.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-goblin-war-criminal.html |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3700
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 14:05:00 -
[349] - Quote
How much would losses be reduced if we assume all targets have platinum insurance on their hulls?
Gevlon, please publish an exhaustive report examining this.
For added oomph, please also provide us with a detailed report of how much time may have gone into the production assuming all lost ships were actually manufactured by the targets from ore they mined. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
425
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 14:12:00 -
[350] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:How much would losses be reduced if we assume all targets have platinum insurance on their hulls?
Gevlon, please publish an exhaustive report examining this.
For added oomph, please also provide us with a detailed report of how much time may have gone into the production assuming all lost ships were actually manufactured by the targets from ore they mined.
Well, while this may be a good idea, your forgetting a key component.
Ammo.
Each shot fired is detracting from the total damage done "profit margin"... and I daresay... an "opportunity cost" is incurred because those shots could have been spent making ISK, or the time used to fire said shots could have been spent mining.
Please include this in the new report as well, with a breakdown of ammo used for each shot. (Yes, the specific type of ammo is important here!)
I expect that once this report is published, no less than half of GSF will ragequit and uninstall. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
514
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:25:00 -
[351] - Quote
Sigh... This is why we can't have nice things 
People have to understand, you can't just go about ordering people to do menial tasks! What do you guys think this is? NULLSEC?!
Anyhow, looks like the goon resistance is faltering with every post mister Goblin makes. From day one they only posted three possible replies to everything;
- hahaha you dumb, I smart - I DON'T CARE, WE ARE NOT AFFECTED, DAMNIT! - You aren't winning fast enough.
Or a sperging wall of text containing all of the above. I expected more from you lot.
D.

Edit: forgot to mention all goons except Joepopo, he seems to be having fun. |

Powers Sa
934
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 14:40:00 -
[352] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:When your HQ is ours, you will suffer !
Going to be kind of hard to do when you keep losing gatecamps to our RVB buddies: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=21999326 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=21997736
Unlike gevlon, we don't have to pay people to like us. lol |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:48:00 -
[353] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Sigh... This is why we can't have nice things  People have to understand, you can't just go about ordering people to do menial tasks! What do you guys think this is? NULLSEC?! Anyhow, looks like the goon resistance is faltering with every post mister Goblin makes. From day one they only posted three possible replies to everything; - hahaha you dumb, I smart - I DON'T CARE, WE ARE NOT AFFECTED, DAMNIT! - You aren't winning fast enough. Or a sperging wall of text containing all of the above. I expected more from you lot. D.  Edit: forgot to mention all goons except Joepopo, he seems to be having fun.
Oh just stop. I can't take it any more, I'm all laughed out. Between Gevlon's blog, and your badposts I'm starting to lean towards this all being a bad joke.
I'll bite, and respond to your dumb bulletpoints anyway.
Anyone who thinks they can really hurt Goons with a high sec wardec really are dumb. My passive monthly income is higher than I can spend, and I literally throw billions a month at our newbies.
We're not affected in any way by refd POCOs. No money is lost, and we prefer the opportunity of making Gevlon make a tit of himself in public than ratting for a meagre 100m per hour. Passive incomes, etc.
You're not winning at all. That's a hard fact. You've literally had no impact on us what so ever. If you had, we'd be getting more than a few dozen guys to chase you off when the POCOs come out of ref. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2697
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 15:05:00 -
[354] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:I suppose they couldn't dock fast enough. Aren't you that Marmite spy ? Nice corp histo (C&C aka Marmites), funny they didn't see that.  @all you Goonies, you shall soon see the destruction of VFK when we land our rage on you !
Please send kitchen-sink fleets to VFK. It's always worked out so well before.
But I get that you don't literally believe this and are just having fun with Gevlon's money. That's cool too. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
514
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:12:00 -
[355] - Quote
Killboards are back on the table? A few pages ago they didn't matter, this really is a rollercoaster of a thread 
Anyhow I see your petty squables and raise you; Some random destruction Your move, mister bond!
Oh, and mister Goblin isn't paying us nor lemmings to like him, rather to kill your ships which seems to be working out just fine (according to our standards, not yours, I know)
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:17:00 -
[356] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Oh, and mister Goblin isn't paying us nor lemmings to like him, rather to kill your ships which seems to be working out just fine (according to our standards, not yours, I know) So you like him for free? Or you just don't like him?
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
516
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 15:23:00 -
[357] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Oh, and mister Goblin isn't paying us nor lemmings to like him, rather to kill your ships which seems to be working out just fine (according to our standards, not yours, I know) So you like him for free? Or you just don't like him?
He fascinates me and I don't really dislike anyone I play (computer)games with, mister Goblin has quite the passion for the game I've been playing for years and I respect him for that. Does that answer your question Lucas?
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:53:00 -
[358] - Quote
=ƒÆ¬ |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:06:00 -
[359] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Oh, and mister Goblin isn't paying us nor lemmings to like him, rather to kill your ships which seems to be working out just fine (according to our standards, not yours, I know) So you like him for free? Or you just don't like him? He fascinates me and I don't really dislike anyone I play (computer)games with, mister Goblin has quite the passion for the game I've been playing for years and I respect him for that. Does that answer your question Lucas? Not particularly. You don't necessarily need to dislike someone to not like them, and while you always try to put across this rational, emotion free persona, many of your posts are pretty hate filled, with plenty of insults.
Also, as for his passion for the game, he doesn't really have passion for EVE, he in fact seems to hate the vast majority of the game. If it were up to him we would be playing WoW in space. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
516
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:10:00 -
[360] - Quote
Hate filled posts huh, believe me they are not intended to come across as hate-filled, in fact quite the contrary. As for Wow in space, I don't see that in his posts, what makes you conclude that?
D.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6554
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:11:00 -
[361] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Killboards are back on the table? A few pages ago they didn't matter, this really is a rollercoaster of a thread  we don't care about killboards because we care instead about power: we have the power to wave our dicks in gevlon's face and laugh at his impotent attempts to hit back so waving bad k:d statistics or the like is hilarious to us because literally nobody cares
however you and gevlon care deeply about your killboard statistics so when you pratfall in your k:d ratios we mock you because you're actually mad at it and we don't care about being hypocritical about mocking you for things we don't care about Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:33:00 -
[362] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Hate filled posts huh, believe me they are not intended to come across as hate-filled, in fact quite the contrary. As for Wow in space, I don't see that in his posts, what makes you conclude that? Have you only been reading since his lemming posts? In his mind players who grind isk are better than players who strive to have fun in a game, so grinding isk should be the focus of CCP developments. I'm pretty sure iof they opened up a non-PvP server, he'd be straight over there screaming "look at my wallet!". He'd probably love the Chinese server except he'd struggle to get out of the bottom 10% in wallet values.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 16:54:00 -
[363] - Quote
I'll be honest, I think we're at a point where we can accuse Marmite of taking advantage of the mentally disabled. |

Powers Sa
936
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:55:00 -
[364] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Killboards are back on the table? A few pages ago they didn't matter, this really is a rollercoaster of a thread  Anyhow I see your petty squables and raise you; SomerandomdestructionYour move, mister bond! Oh, and mister Goblin isn't paying us nor lemmings to like him, rather to kill your ships which seems to be working out just fine (according to our standards, not yours, I know) D.  If you're linking individual kills, then you didn't look at my post. I'm looking at actual fights vs ganks. lol |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
516
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:08:00 -
[365] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Hate filled posts huh, believe me they are not intended to come across as hate-filled, in fact quite the contrary. As for Wow in space, I don't see that in his posts, what makes you conclude that? Have you only been reading since his lemming posts? In his mind players who grind isk are better than players who strive to have fun in a game, so grinding isk should be the focus of CCP developments. I'm pretty sure iof they opened up a non-PvP server, he'd be straight over there screaming "look at my wallet!". He'd probably love the Chinese server except he'd struggle to get out of the bottom 10% in wallet values.
Indeed, been reading since the whole Lemmings thing started, I'll check more indepth.
Powers SA wrote: If you're linking individual kills, then you didn't look at my post. I'm looking at actual fights vs ganks.
You didn't check the links? Look Powers, believe it or not but I'm trying to look at it your way, you link some minor skirmishes and claim RVB is busting Marmites left and right, I link hundreds upon hundreds of RVB and goon deaths at the hand of Marmites and they suddenly don't count because.... why?
I get it, it's like Weaselior said, if you guys have bad stats they don't matter, but if a small fraction of said stats could be interpreted as your friends/pets/busines partners/hisec guardians kinda did something good, than they suddenly matter because... well BECAUSE 
Oh well, as long as everyone is enjoying themselves it's all fine by me 
D.

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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
71
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:13:00 -
[366] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Indeed, been reading since the whole Lemmings thing started, I'll check more indepth.
You should. Especially the part when he seriously claims to be the best pvper in Eve, because of his KB efficiency from miner ganks. Or just do a google on "opportunity costs" to experience the full enjoyment of this |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 17:17:00 -
[367] - Quote
Danalee wrote:I get it, it's like Weaselior said, if you guys have bad stats they don't matter, but if a small fraction of said stats could be interpreted as your friends/pets/busines partners/hisec guardians kinda did something good, than they suddenly matter because... well BECAUSE  I think his point was more along the lines of being because you guys do care about your killboards. While the lemmings leader was smacktalking about how amazing it was that they reffed POCOs and a notification came up on a live stream, your gatecamp gangs were dying when they should be out shooting said POCOs. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:22:00 -
[368] - Quote
Can we call this the "Pocotunity cost"? |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3702
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 17:36:00 -
[369] - Quote
Do we know yet if Gevlon Goblin will be playing Star Citizen? See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
141
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:54:00 -
[370] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:If you're linking individual kills, then you didn't look at my post. I'm looking at actual fights vs ganks.
Lol I was killed in one of those fights just a shame the RvB guys wouldn't return the GF in local but oh well, my game was not ruined.
Earlier that day I shot an RvB rifter worth 50 million and the pilot quit your alliance moments later 
Perhaps more of you guys will be leaving soon  |
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
138
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:11:00 -
[371] - Quote
Garven Dreis wrote:I wasn't aware Mordus Angels had a high-sec branch.
Marmite alliance corp : Kicking Smurfs [KICKI] from 2012.07.10 08:42 to 2012.10.25 11:44. Alliance Marmite was founded from : Marmite Count With Teddy Mercenaries [C.W.T] from 2012.02.23 00:51 to 2012.07.03 12:00.
lolzzz... SPY !!!  |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
429
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:18:00 -
[372] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Do we know yet if Gevlon Goblin will be playing Star Citizen?
Doubtful. It looks like star citizen will be less spreadsheety and more piloting-focused. Judging from the goblin's aversion to actually flying his ships, i would guess not. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6556
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:21:00 -
[373] - Quote
i hear general lemming is already begging the lemmings for isk donations
guess gevlon's iskhose is neither firm enough nor wide enough for her pleasure Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:50:00 -
[374] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Hate filled posts huh, believe me they are not intended to come across as hate-filled, in fact quite the contrary. As for Wow in space, I don't see that in his posts, what makes you conclude that? Have you only been reading since his lemming posts? ... I'm pretty sure iof they opened up a non-PvP server, he'd be straight over there screaming "look at my wallet!". ...
Go read further back in his blog as well. He played pvp servers on wow, organised pvp there, ran rated bgs and left when wow lost all meaning and challange. Came to eve "because eve is hard" and found out it really wasn't. It is however boring as f*** to play. I think I lasted about 10 hours of mining before I started orbiting macks in belts in my merlin to see if they would warp off.
I can totally understand how the boredom has driven the little green guy off a cliff. Still entertaining to read though. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6559
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:57:00 -
[375] - Quote
sorry it was rude of me not to share:
Quote:Donations and Great Future From: General Lemming To: Darwins Lemmings [.GRR.] ALLIANCERemove Label Guys, We have the Goonswarm, Greater Western and Fidelas guys perma decced. And LI3, SMA, Circle of Two, FA, Razor and a few other CFC (related) alliances on war rotation. This is being supported by Gevlon. But if you want more of these decs for longer periods, feel free to donate isks for more wars. The are expensive (400-500M/week/war), so any help is welcome. You have my word that every isks send to the alliance wallet, will be used for alliance. Darwins Lemmings Holding is the exec corp to donate too (right click etc). Great job on the joint fleet, to shoot so many Goonswarm customs today (30+). BIG thanks also to the ceo's / fc for leading this ! Tomorrow two new corps will join and I am working on a thing with a big 0.0 alliance who will join the fun . More info soon. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darwins_lemmings GREAT ! 400 members next week and our fleets will get bigger and bigger. recruit all your friends and spam local with : Darwins Lemmings - Marmite Collective Evil Bro's - 24/7 WAR - With Goonswarm / RvB / Greater Western / SMA / LI3 and more CFC alliances! Or your own corp advert of course I am having many cruisers being build right now for alliance. More things are being build right now by our many indy friends, but I cant tell you much more till they have arived (train Tengu!). Kill them all ! General Lemming http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10255
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Posted - 2014.02.18 20:03:00 -
[376] - Quote
i hope general lemming is at least skimming gevlon's isk Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.18 20:51:00 -
[377] - Quote
Are these guys really chestbeating about structure mails? I realize its a rare thing for highsec scrubs who dont own anything but I gotta delete 60+ per day |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
516
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:34:00 -
[378] - Quote
Twenty Five Percent wrote:Are these guys really chestbeating about structure mails? I realize its a rare thing for highsec scrubs who dont own anything but I gotta delete 60+ per day
Hurr durr, chestbeating scrubs! You tell him! No way someone from School of Applied Knowledge is scared for repercussions 
Anyhow, imagine: You opponent is having a SOTA with a livestream, where they go and boast about how great they are. All the while, mail after mail after mail is coming in saying poco in reinforced, poco under attack, poco reinforced, and on and on every couple of minutes another one.
You must be pretty bitter if you can't see the humore in that. But yeah, seeing where this comes from. keep at it, it shows how you truly feel about stuff 
D.
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Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:53:00 -
[379] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Twenty Five Percent wrote:Are these guys really chestbeating about structure mails? I realize its a rare thing for highsec scrubs who dont own anything but I gotta delete 60+ per day Hurr durr, chestbeating scrubs! You tell him! No way someone from School of Applied Knowledge is scared for repercussions  Anyhow, imagine: You opponent is having a SOTA with a livestream, where they go and boast about how great they are. All the while, mail after mail after mail is coming in saying poco in reinforced, poco under attack, poco reinforced, and on and on every couple of minutes another one. You must be pretty bitter if you can't see the humore in that. But yeah, seeing where this comes from. keep at it, it shows how you truly feel about stuff  D. 
You're an idiot. Anyone who's been in a null alliance wouldn't even look twice at those mails, and know they mean literally zero. You get an automated message about every 10 mins telling you some scrub is shooting a POCO/SBU/TCU/IHub/etc when you're in a null corp.
Congratulations, you managed to co-ordinate a structure shoot when someone was streaming. If only you could co-ordinate the capture shoot the same way. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
516
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:57:00 -
[380] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:Danalee wrote:Twenty Five Percent wrote:Are these guys really chestbeating about structure mails? I realize its a rare thing for highsec scrubs who dont own anything but I gotta delete 60+ per day Hurr durr, chestbeating scrubs! You tell him! No way someone from School of Applied Knowledge is scared for repercussions  Anyhow, imagine: You opponent is having a SOTA with a livestream, where they go and boast about how great they are. All the while, mail after mail after mail is coming in saying poco in reinforced, poco under attack, poco reinforced, and on and on every couple of minutes another one. You must be pretty bitter if you can't see the humore in that. But yeah, seeing where this comes from. keep at it, it shows how you truly feel about stuff  D.  You're an idiot. Anyone who's been in a null alliance wouldn't even look twice at those mails, and know they mean literally zero. You get an automated message about every 10 mins telling you some scrub is shooting a POCO/SBU/TCU/IHub/etc when you're in a null corp. Congratulations, you managed to co-ordinate a structure shoot when someone was streaming. If only you could co-ordinate the capture shoot the same way.
Well, this idiot sure got your panties in a knot... djees lousie... Only mails we saw were ours and it was funny to us. Deal with it. I see it's hard for you to understand people having fun in a game. Go fill out your tax forms or something and lighten the **** up!
D.
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Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2014.02.18 22:04:00 -
[381] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:Danalee wrote:Twenty Five Percent wrote:Are these guys really chestbeating about structure mails? I realize its a rare thing for highsec scrubs who dont own anything but I gotta delete 60+ per day Hurr durr, chestbeating scrubs! You tell him! No way someone from School of Applied Knowledge is scared for repercussions  Anyhow, imagine: You opponent is having a SOTA with a livestream, where they go and boast about how great they are. All the while, mail after mail after mail is coming in saying poco in reinforced, poco under attack, poco reinforced, and on and on every couple of minutes another one. You must be pretty bitter if you can't see the humore in that. But yeah, seeing where this comes from. keep at it, it shows how you truly feel about stuff  D.  You're an idiot. Anyone who's been in a null alliance wouldn't even look twice at those mails, and know they mean literally zero. You get an automated message about every 10 mins telling you some scrub is shooting a POCO/SBU/TCU/IHub/etc when you're in a null corp. Congratulations, you managed to co-ordinate a structure shoot when someone was streaming. If only you could co-ordinate the capture shoot the same way. Well, this idiot sure got your panties in a knot... djees lousie... Only mails we saw were ours and it was funny to us. Deal with it. I see it's hard for you to understand people having fun in a game. Go fill out your tax forms or something and lighten the **** up! D. 
No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
516
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Posted - 2014.02.18 22:12:00 -
[382] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote: No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot.
Hah, this sort of bully behavior might get you mad props from the SA forum crowd but here your ten bux doesn't count. Troll is fail, crawl back in your little hidy hole and let the real pvp guys from RVB take the brunt of the beating for you.
D.

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Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.18 22:30:00 -
[383] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote: No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot.
Hah, this sort of bully behavior might get you mad props from the SA forum crowd but here your ten bux doesn't count. Troll is fail, crawl back in your little hidy hole and let the real pvp guys from RVB take the brunt of the beating for you. D. 
No it's actually pretty funny, unlike your posting.
Something something words have no affect but I'm going to continue to flagellate about how much we're winning so Gevlon continues to fund us.
Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
141
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Posted - 2014.02.18 22:40:00 -
[384] - Quote
So much bad posting from butthurt Goons (and their NPC alts), thinking it's funny calling people idiots, because they can see funny things in a game 
Meanwhile another RvB guy got scared after we nearly popped him as he was docking, and he left too I guess nearly dying in a trade hub was too much for him to handle.
I thought our camp got smashed up? |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
193
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 22:42:00 -
[385] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote: No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot.
Hah, this sort of bully behavior might get you mad props from the SA forum crowd but here your ten bux doesn't count. Troll is fail, crawl back in your little hidy hole and let the real pvp guys from RVB take the brunt of the beating for you. D. 
Did you try to act smart and then signed your own post? |

Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 22:43:00 -
[386] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote: No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot.
Hah, this sort of bully behavior might get you mad props from the SA forum crowd but here your ten bux doesn't count. Troll is fail, crawl back in your little hidy hole and let the real pvp guys from RVB take the brunt of the beating for you. D. 
I advised you to shut up before you made yourself look like a bigger idiot, but then you went ahead and posted again, and in the process you made yourself look like a bigger idiot. Worse still, an idiot who can't spell "behaviour" or "hidey".
You should spend some time in a nullsec corp, just so you can see how much of an idiot you are. |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
141
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 22:52:00 -
[387] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote: Worse still, an idiot who can't spell "behaviour" or "hidey".
NIce grammar you have there 
inb4 edit |

Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 22:59:00 -
[388] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote: No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot.
Hah, this sort of bully behavior might get you mad props from the SA forum crowd but here your ten bux doesn't count. Troll is fail, crawl back in your little hidy hole and let the real pvp guys from RVB take the brunt of the beating for you. D.  I advised you to shut up before you made yourself look like a bigger idiot, but then you went ahead and posted again, and in the process you made yourself look like a bigger idiot. Worse still, an idiot who can't spell "behaviour" or "hidey". You should spend some time in a nullsec corp, just so you can see how much of an idiot you are.
He did, it was Mordus Angels :smug:
Must've worked out well.
e:GRAMMAR RETORT Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3707
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:08:00 -
[389] - Quote
Let's get back to the discussion of how Gevlon Goblin is on the cusp of winning the Pulitzer Prize. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 23:19:00 -
[390] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote: Worse still, an idiot who can't spell "behaviour" or "hidey". NIce grammar you have there  inb4 edit There's a grammar issue there?
Edit: And didn't you leave lemmings because they were making no impact? And now you are back, even though they are doing exactly the same as they were before? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
142
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 23:36:00 -
[391] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote: Worse still, an idiot who can't spell "behaviour" or "hidey". NIce grammar you have there  inb4 edit There's a grammar issue there? Edit: And didn't you leave lemmings because they were making no impact? And now you are back, even though they are doing exactly the same as they were before?
I found it funny (hence the smiley) how someone of the intellectual level that would deem some person an idiot for a simple spelling error failed to post with correct grammar. The fragment quoted does not constitute a complete sentence! I don't intend to drag this post on with details as to why that is the case.
Furthermore, I don't even care that much about spelling or grammar when I am judging how smart a person is. Linguistic ability is one small aspect of intelligence.
As for my corp hopping, so what? I am having fun!
u mad bro? why you even in lemmings anyway lucas? |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2697
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 02:07:00 -
[392] - Quote
Honestly, there's no use beating up on Marmite. Danalee is a terrible poster who imagines all his posts are master trolls, but let us not forget without Marmite there wouldn't be anyone for Gevlon to pick up big handfuls of his poopsocked ISK to throw at.
We don't agree on what's fun, but we both agree taking money from a seriously disturbed stalker and using it to PVP in a PVP game is a better use than letting him jerk off to his balance instead.
That he apparently isn't a bottomless pit of money and is now needing Lemmings to be part-funded by donations just means the day he stops it all comes nearer, and when he posts his "no it wasnt my fault it didnt work" post we can link him to the 512 posts where he said he would post that.
Good times for all.
n.b. if somehow this lasts long enough for Lemmings to try engaging with a Tengu fleet we'll get some decent fun dumpstering that, so lets all hope Gevlon holds in there.
e: Oh, and when General Lemming inevitably crab-walks back to where he came from with an alliance wallet and a hangar of T3 hulls some deluded highsec grrrrGOONIES types paid for, then I will salute him. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
345
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Posted - 2014.02.19 02:23:00 -
[393] - Quote
Gevlon has now declared that he will take rvbs pocos too. Unless we agree to his terms. Which he'll tell us about tomorrow. We're shaking in our boots, we really are (with laughter) |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6562
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 02:52:00 -
[394] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Gevlon has now declared that he will take rvbs pocos too. Unless we agree to his terms. Which he'll tell us about tomorrow. We're shaking in our boots, we really are (with laughter) is it just me or has gevlon taken the crazy up to eleven recently
guess we broke his brain hi5 Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6562
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 02:54:00 -
[395] - Quote
if i read that thing correctly gevlon is threatening that if rvb does not accept his terms he will throw even more isk down an endless hole Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2698
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 03:01:00 -
[396] - Quote
as predicted, gevlon's "Nasty surprise" that will see their demise is some made up math and a graph
hopefully now RvB know what its like to have a super-stalker following you around making demands he can't enforce "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
345
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 03:04:00 -
[397] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:if i read that thing correctly gevlon is threatening that if rvb does not accept his terms he will throw even more isk down an endless hole
If I understand him correctly (and peering into the mind of a madman is pretty hard so I might not) we have two choices. Either we keep allying with goons or he will pay to wardec us... If he wants to add a bill a week to his expenses I suppose we can accomodate him...
I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos... |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
345
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 03:06:00 -
[398] - Quote
double post |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2698
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 03:26:00 -
[399] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:double post Still more content than a Gevlon post. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 03:53:00 -
[400] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:SMeanwhile another RvB guy got scared after we nearly popped him as he was docking, and he left too. I guess nearly dying in a trade hub was too much for him to handle.
Lemming success metrics on the Jita undock. Nearly blowing someone up. That almost got you a killmail.
After Gevlon's latest literary masterpiece, I can picture him just shaking with rage that RvB et. al. don't play the game the way he wants them too. And I am filled with suspense to find out what his ~terms~ are. I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight. |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2972
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 05:32:00 -
[401] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:Gevlon has now declared that he will take rvbs pocos too. Unless we agree to his terms. Which he'll tell us about tomorrow. We're shaking in our boots, we really are (with laughter)
Marmite & Lemmings already run away and hide from our POCOs any time outside the 2-24h in which you guys can't shoot them, I can't imagine how Gevlon thinks they'd get anything done if you could shoot them all the time. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
128
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 05:47:00 -
[402] - Quote
There are so many errors and head palming moments in Gevlon's latest post that I'm not entirely sure how to begin. But I'm not just going to call him a moron and walk away. Anyone can claim someone else is stupid, it doesn't make it so. NO I'm afraid I'm going to have to deconstruct this multi-layered lasagna of idiocy and demonstrate just how bad it is.
There is a small chance that some of his followers, or heck, even Gevlon himself, might understand something, after all.
Before I start, I'll point out that a frequent error of Gevlon is that he'll come up with say, six facts, 3 of them true, one quite insightful, and 2 completely wrong. He'll then combine them into an overall conclusion that's completely off the wall, and then wonder why it is that no one thinks his prosciutto and mothball pizza isn't well received.
So let's start!
1: " This is the unique selling point of RvB: constant PvP with very low costs."
This is wrong for 2 main reasons. Firs the *individual* cost of ships is cheap. The *cumulative* cost can be quite expensive. It's not uncommon for RvB to lose hundreds, even thousands of ships. Granted, you can do nothing but frigate with cheap fittings and no rigs if you want, but many players will t2-fit their ships, fly cruisers or assault frigates etc. Not so expensive for a single cruiser, but it adds up. The second thing is that RvB is much more than cheap PvP. The community is very good, newbies are welcomed, veterans are respected, we have fun events etc etc. These are probably things that Gevlon sees as insignificant, but they are not.
2: "It represents losses on Feb 15-16, the weekend when RvB dropped the war. Not only the loss % to external enemies halved, but their ship values decreased too. Why? Because when not facing real enemies, RvB can even more focus on their very cheap frig PvP.`
Here we see where Gevlon takes a few facts that are correct, but then ignorantly jumps to a wrong conclusion. The reason the ship value went down is because we had a weekend-long theme called frigatus. This event was planned long before the war dropped, it was just a coincidence that it did. So of course the the value of the ships dropped, we were fighting mostly in frigates that weekend.
3: "The members are in RvB because they want to do PvP without paying ISK for it. They are playing spaceship WoW battlegrounds."
Rebuffed above. And stop using WoW metaphores will you?
4: "The presence of real enemies forces them to ship up and do exactly what they wanted to get away from: losing expensive ships."
You should see how freaking thrilled some of our members get when we form a purple wartarget hunting fleet. We get to fly flashier ships and explode lemmings and marmites! Sure we lose a few... but this is RvB, ALL OUR SHIPS WILL EXPLODE.
5: "I am certain that we can simply defeat them in spaceship combat."
... based on what exactly?
6: "This is why I wasn't "diplomatic" (read: beg for mercy after they attacked us when we had 50 members)."
This comment I'm highlighting because how illustrative is is of Gevlon's thinking, which is very binary. Things are black or they are white. They are good or they are bad. Diplomacy is "kiss my posterior" or "beg for mercy". A more rational person would have used a more "business" approach to RvB. Something like "Guys, I don't think helping the Goons is a good deal for you, and you're in my way". Gevlon's approach has been very antagonistic, making things personal, and motivating RvB to stay in the war. This appears irrational, but since Gevlon seems to thinking a binary way, it probably makes sense to him since he can't even conceive of a nuanced approach.
7 " After they saw that the 50 turned into 150 during the first 2-weeks period, (allies are auto-dropped after 2 weeks, must rejoin manually) they announced that they'll leave the war that they "only joined for fun". After we reinforced Goon POCOs, they were ordered back to the war by their masters. " (it goes on)
Gevlon's understanding of events is superficially right, but fundamentally wrong. We have a mutual defence pact with the goons. When the war auto-drops, there is no reason for us to automatically rejoin... but when you reinforce the POCOs, there is. The bad diplomacy is certainly increasing the chances we respect the pact.
8: "To give them a way out. I won't."
This is irrational. You've claimed before that we were your primary obstacle to victory.
9: "We will keep reinforcing Goon POCOs. "
You are aware that in less than a week, the Goons will start winding down from their war standing and will be looking for things to do hmmm? They may not need our help at all soon.
10: "If Mynnna becomes soft (or rather recognizes that a dead pet is useless) and allows them to leave, we declare on them and start taking their POCOs. "
Are you saying that you want to take RvB POCOs now? See point 8. Focus on your goal Gevlon.
11: "There is only one way for RvB to leave this war: to accept my terms coming tomorrow. You'll be surprised, my terms are very nice."
Wait, are you leaving us a way out, or not? This is bad writing for the sake of a cliff-hanger. No reason to wait for tomorrow.
12: Why are they not broken yet? Simple: in this February only 17% of their ISK losses came from Lemmings and Marmites.
So instead of losing ships to ourselves, we lost ships to Marmites/lemmings... see point 4: ALL OUR SHIPS WILL EXPLODE. Sheesh.
Tl,dr: Because Gevlon often gets some of his basics facts wrong, his overall conclusions are often wrong. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
518
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Posted - 2014.02.19 05:49:00 -
[403] - Quote
Professor Clio wrote:I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos ...
Wait... You guys have 310 pocos 
Errr....
... That's...
Yikes!
In a totally unrelated question: Any CFC or RVB groups looking for a smashing, smart, good looking, witty, eloquent middle-management type of a character?
D.
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
129
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 06:06:00 -
[404] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Professor Clio wrote:I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos ... Wait... You guys have 310 pocos  Errr.... ... That's... Yikes! In a totally unrelated question: Any CFC or RVB groups looking for a smashing, smart, good looking, witty, eloquent middle-management type of a character? D. 
The willpower needed to deconstruct Gevlon's post is the willpower that allowed us to grab 310 POCOs. LOLfights in frigates is *serious business* ;)
and you have sass, I'll give you that.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2973
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 06:10:00 -
[405] - Quote
We only have, like, 22 or something.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
72
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 06:17:00 -
[406] - Quote
Rvb, I said your were going to be slapped in the face with some stats and a chart. Do you feel crushed enough, or do you want goblin to throw a pie chart at you? |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 06:44:00 -
[407] - Quote
Johan March wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:SMeanwhile another RvB guy got scared after we nearly popped him as he was docking, and he left too. I guess nearly dying in a trade hub was too much for him to handle. Lemming success metrics on the Jita undock. Nearly blowing someone up. That almost got you a killmail.
Amarr undock actually 
And he quit corp after, like that other guy I mentioned. There will be many more at this rate! I shudder to think what would have happened if he had got blown up, like the other ones! |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 06:53:00 -
[408] - Quote
Now if only the little green guy actually monetised his blog traffic, he could probably quit his day job. Theres almost a crazy brilliance to it. You think he plans to float it on the stock exchange? |

Legedric Striker
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
26
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 07:04:00 -
[409] - Quote
Someone has to stop this! I can barely read the EVE-O forums because of all those tears in my eyes I get from all this luaghter  |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
782
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 07:16:00 -
[410] - Quote
mynnna wrote:We only have, like, 22 or something. 
Yup. Not surprising. I could probably write down the list after a glance at dotlan and then a couple of checks. Gevlon could implement a winning strategy, and still fail at tactical, risk management and effort issues (since you guys are so far ahead of him), but right now, not even in the same postcode as a winning strategy.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
782
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 07:17:00 -
[411] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Now if only the little green guy actually monetised his blog traffic, he could probably quit his day job. Theres almost a crazy brilliance to it. You think he plans to float it on the stock exchange?
I'd rather he didn't. ie I'm happy to read his blog as long as he is continuing to treat EVE as a game.
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Istyn
Freight Club The Marmite Collective
293
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 07:17:00 -
[412] - Quote
Louis Robichaud wrote: 3: "The members are in RvB because they want to do PvP without paying ISK for it. They are playing spaceship WoW battlegrounds."
Rebuffed above. And stop using WoW metaphores will you?
Since when did RVB members not pay for their ships? |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 08:20:00 -
[413] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Tarojan wrote:Now if only the little green guy actually monetised his blog traffic, he could probably quit his day job. Theres almost a crazy brilliance to it. You think he plans to float it on the stock exchange? I'd rather he didn't. ie I'm happy to read his blog as long as he is continuing to treat EVE as a game.
Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 08:31:00 -
[414] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote: Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly.
Hey Pete,
I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined? ^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront.
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 08:53:00 -
[415] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote: Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly.
Hey Pete, I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined? ^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront. Wow, you really haven't been reading his blog long :D Not sure about Pete, but I don't really have time to go searching about (work soon) but search about his site (search bar at the top), read his posts on "M&S to play to win" (caution, that's some psychopath gibberish right there). His general feel is that you can measure everything by isk/gold and killboard stats, and people "lolling about in frigates" are just morons, while he is the highest tier of human being, the "rational". He doesn't seem to comprehend that the primary aim of a game for most people is entertainment, therefore there is no set goal. Maximizing how much we realise our opportunity cost is not important (and that I'm sure you understand, since highsec wars aren't the best way of generating isk or buffing KBs) as long as we are being entertained.
Just be careful though. Many of his posts are pretty insane. Don't let it rub off on you too much :D The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 08:53:00 -
[416] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote: Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly.
Hey Pete, I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined? ^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront. D. 
I actually am a long time reader of his blog (daily amusement) and this is a notion which constantly pops up either in his posts or comments. It would take some time to dig through all he's written to find specific posts, but I urge you to start going through his pyramid of players and the definition of morons and slackers. If I recall correctly, he once said "I'm not desperate enough to play for fun" when another of his projects failed (it was either his wh experience or ganking corp). You can try to Google it. For another example, you can read about his miner ganking project. He created a corp with no services, no srp, but required members to be self sufficient and have a minimum value of miner ganks per month. And banned talking in corp chat. No, this is not a joke. Chatting in corp wasn't permitted. That's also when he started claiming to be the best pvper in eve, quite seriously. For specific quotes you can try to ask Lucas, since he's been active there for a year now, I think. Maybe he has something ready. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 09:16:00 -
[417] - Quote
Quote:The scrub plays not to win the game but to boost his ego: win the sympathy and or respect of his (real or imaginary) peers. Since the majority of the peers are bad in the game or not even playing, simply winning does not attract respect.
His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict. |

Enya Dorne
20
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Posted - 2014.02.19 09:52:00 -
[418] - Quote
Quote:Goons are horrible people who want to hurt others not as a byproduct of competition or to force them to learn, but for tears.
Really, Gevlon do you even remotely know what you are talking about? |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
|
Posted - 2014.02.19 09:53:00 -
[419] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:Quote:The scrub plays not to win the game but to boost his ego: win the sympathy and or respect of his (real or imaginary) peers. Since the majority of the peers are bad in the game or not even playing, simply winning does not attract respect. His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict.
I'm still searching but the quote you refer to is actually from an online book 'playing to win' written by a random game dev 14 years ago and has to be seen in the broader context of the book/time frame and specifically the chapter about 'the scrub' My point is: Altough he seems to agree with the content of the book the quote isn't his and it's too small a snippet to judge the thoughts behind it.
I'm neither judging the merit or level of disdain in the book untill I've read all 72 pages of text which could take me a while since I've got plenty more stuff to read since I started my digging 
More news at 11 
D.

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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
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Posted - 2014.02.19 10:10:00 -
[420] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Enya Dorne wrote:"Goons are horrible people who want to hurt others not as a byproduct of competition or to force them to learn, but for tears." Isn't that a description most goons would agree with? If not, which image you think most goons would be fine with having? Pete Butcher wrote:The scrub plays not to win the game but to boost his ego: win the sympathy and or respect of his (real or imaginary) peers. Since the majority of the peers are bad in the game or not even playing, simply winning does not attract respect. His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict.
I'm still searching but the quote you refer to is actually from an online book 'playing to win' written by a random game dev 14 years ago and has to be seen in the broader context of the book/time frame and specifically the chapter about 'the scrub' My point is: Altough he seems to agree with the content of the book the quote isn't his and it's too small a snippet to judge the thoughts behind it.
I'm neither judging the merit or level of disdain in the book untill I've read all 72 pages of text which could take me a while since I've got plenty more stuff to read since I started my digging 
More news at 11 
D.
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It may be from some book, but that doesn't make it less ******** in the context he uses it. If you read his posts long enough, you'll see he legitimately thinks he is superior to all of us. Everyone who disagrees is labeled a moron. He even said he treats posts which disagree with him as spam, because he cannot see being wrong. If you have some free time and willpower to resist his sociopathic spergings, read his posts and comments. The fun thing is that he treats people who roam in ships as morons, since they could be grinding isk (opportunity costs) and people who fleet up double morons since they waste time to form up and they're being social (social is BAD). Does it make lemmings triple morons by their masters standards? |
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Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.02.19 10:48:00 -
[421] - Quote
I have a really honest question to ask.
Does anyone, honestly now, anyone in Marmite or lemmings buy into Gevlon's posts without question or doubt?
I really need to know this, I need to understand what percentage of the Eve population is THAT deluded and THAT gullible. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 11:14:00 -
[422] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:I have a really honest question to ask.
Does anyone, honestly now, anyone in Marmite or lemmings buy into Gevlon's posts without question or doubt?
I really need to know this, I need to understand what percentage of the Eve population is THAT deluded and THAT gullible.
If anyone answers your question, will you call him/her stupid again? Since we've been through that bit already, I'll bite;
I believe Gevlon started something that irks the goons and I believe there is sufficient proof for that; - goon infiltration attempts - hundreds of "we don't care posts" everywhere - RVB getting involved anytime goons can't fend for themselves (always ) - goon directors taking their time to drop a poco once it's destroyed - billions worth of kills on CFC by 'hisec publords' is bad propaganda for goons etc....
If I read Gevlon's posts in their context, like you would read a post from the mittani than yes, at the very least they make sense.
If you however choose to distort your view untill it fits some twisted fantasy about gevlon being the next Stalin or something, than it gets weird pretty fast.
D.

Inb4 your mad rant on how stupid I am for posting. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
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Posted - 2014.02.19 11:39:00 -
[423] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:I have a really honest question to ask.
Does anyone, honestly now, anyone in Marmite or lemmings buy into Gevlon's posts without question or doubt?
I really need to know this, I need to understand what percentage of the Eve population is THAT deluded and THAT gullible. If anyone answers your question, will you call him/her stupid again? Since we've been through that bit already, I'll bite; I believe Gevlon started something that irks the goons and I believe there is sufficient proof for that; - goon infiltration attempts - hundreds of "we don't care posts" everywhere - RVB getting involved anytime goons can't fend for themselves (always  ) - goon directors taking their time to drop a poco once it's destroyed - billions worth of kills on CFC by 'hisec publords' is bad propaganda for goons etc.... If I read Gevlon's posts in their context, like you would read a post from the mittani than yes, at the very least they make sense. If you however choose to distort your view untill it fits some twisted fantasy about gevlon being the next Stalin or something, than it gets weird pretty fast. D.  Inb4 your mad rant on how stupid I am for posting.
I hope you are trolling. If not, I hope it comes from not knowing goblin long enough. If that's also not true, well... |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 11:43:00 -
[424] - Quote
Danalee wrote:If anyone answers your question, will you call him/her stupid again? Since we've been through that bit already, I'll bite; I believe Gevlon started something that irks the goons and I believe there is sufficient proof for that; - goon infiltration attempts - hundreds of "we don't care posts" everywhere - RVB getting involved anytime goons can't fend for themselves (always  ) - goon directors taking their time to drop a poco once it's destroyed - billions worth of kills on CFC by 'hisec publords' is bad propaganda for goons etc.... If I read Gevlon's posts in their context, like you would read a post from the mittani than yes, at the very least they make sense. If you however choose to distort your view untill it fits some twisted fantasy about gevlon being the next Stalin or something, than it gets weird pretty fast. D.  Inb4 your mad rant on how stupid I am for posting. I disagree. Honestly, the proof you've provided I feel is simply wishful thinking.
- Infiltration was going to happen, if only for the trolling. For me, it's the entertainment value of reading alliance chat.
- Goons post, they are from a forum community. If you always take that as a sign they care, then the care about everything.
- RvB have a treaty. Plain and simple. Keeping to the terms of that treaty shows only that RvB are good to their word.
- Goon directors are not exempt from taking action. The goons formed too late to save that one, that was a mistake and they've stated as much. Rather than try to get the whole group in to save it at the last minute and rep it from hull, mynnna just saved a bit of time by dumping a new one down the moment it popped.
- Billion of kills from highsec publords is not new. This has been happening for years. Highsec wardecs get kills, fact.
Realistically though, do you think your goal is achievable? Gevlon's posts misrepresent skewed killboard data as evidence that goons are going to be destroyed, and doesn;t seem to acknowledge that lemmings isn't the first group or the most experienced group to challenge the CFC, and they are doing so in an area the CFC doesn't even live.
The thing is, it seems to me that what is expected is results without effort. You don't just show up, randomly shoot a few people then start celebrating your success. It takes good leadership, dedicated members and considerable time to achieve great things. If it didn't the game wouldn't be challenging enough. I don't at all think that the goals Lemmings strive to achieve are impossible to achieve, its just not going to happen with the current leadership, and not going to happen without effort. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 11:45:00 -
[425] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote: I hope you are trolling. If not, I hope it comes from not knowing goblin long enough. If that's also not true, well...
I'm not trolling. He did call me a moron multiple times because I had a different opinion and posted about stuff on the forums. I am talking about the Lemming/cleanse goons from hisec propaganda posts. There are 2 sides in this conflict and both sides have no empathy whatsoever towards their opponent which results in the hilarity we have here.
D.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
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Posted - 2014.02.19 11:56:00 -
[426] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote: I hope you are trolling. If not, I hope it comes from not knowing goblin long enough. If that's also not true, well...
I'm not trolling. He did call me a moron multiple times because I had a different opinion and posted about stuff on the forums. I am talking about the Lemming/cleanse goons from hisec propaganda posts. There are 2 sides in this conflict and both sides have no empathy whatsoever towards their opponent which results in the hilarity we have here. D. 
Getting some laughs is a good thing, but the moment someone lowers himself to goblin level and starts talking his kind of shite, it gets just sad. He actually believes the stuff he writes, because he most likely is a bit ******** irl, yet we should keep it going purely as entertainment. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:07:00 -
[427] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:the proof you've provided I feel is simply wishful thinking. From your point of view, I can see that. From our point of view, we have to believe and be a bit optimistic, we are after all up against THE BIGGEST force in the game. After all, what fun would there be if we'd just admit defeat even before we began?
Lucas Kell wrote: Infiltration was going to happen, if only for the trolling. For me, it's the entertainment value of reading alliance chat.
And for us it's a twofold source of entertainment aswel; attention + counter intelligence.
Lucas Kell wrote:Goons post, they are from a forum community. If you always take that as a sign they care, then the care about everything. Allright, but still the fervor and allmost tangible hate with which some post is... staggering.
Lucas Kell wrote:RvB have a treaty. Plain and simple. Keeping to the terms of that treaty shows only that RvB are good to their word. True. On the other hand, if said treaty wouldn't exist, goons would have lost quite a lot of pocos by now which leads to believe the treaty isn't beneficial to RVB as much as it is to goons.
Lucas Kell wrote:Goon directors are not exempt from taking action. They are indeed not, which is admirable. From our point of view, it makes us feel more important (than we propably are in the grand scheme of things)
Billion of kills from highsec publords is not new. Nope it isn't but it's still nice for the publords, isn't it? It counts as a morale boost so I take it.
Last quote: Realistically though, do you think your goal is achievable? I think there is a small chance it can be achieved but it will take quite a while and depends on funds, morale and numbers so all little victories count. Remember: we are taking on the CFC. Everybody likes the underdog 
D.
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:12:00 -
[428] - Quote
The bit that I keep getting stuck on, is that you guys think you'll somehow bring us down when:
far more numerous, powerful, experienced and ridiculously wealthy and malicious enemies who actually know how to hurt us have tried for years, and failed.
Every single major threat we've had has, by hook or by crook, been killed or defanged.
You aren't even attacking us in the right arena. Others have at least tried to take our space, but its like you can't see that the POCOs are of minimal value to us in the grand scheme of things.
In other ways, funnily enough, Gevlon has done his usual thing of getting the right idea, but missing the point entirely. A cultural victory where he somehow manages to make us "ungoony" is a unique idea.
Too bad he fails to understand that even if he somehow contrived to have every member of GoonWaffe quit EVE forever, he still won't have killed us, because we don't have to play EVE to be Goons. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:18:00 -
[429] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote: Getting some laughs is a good thing, but the moment someone lowers himself to goblin level and starts talking his kind of shite, it gets just sad. He actually believes the stuff he writes, because he most likely is a bit ******** irl, yet we should keep it going purely as entertainment.
I'll try and give an example. If you were part of an entity under siege by a big powerblock and the leader of said powerbloc had this to say;
such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies. you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen by stabbing "your entity" in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving. We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their cowardGÇÖs prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.
Given the context, would you not doubt this powerbloc's leader's sanity a little bit? He's your enemie and makes such a bloodthirsty rant afterall.
Ok... Whatever your reply, please apply the same standards to mister Goblin's blog.
D.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:26:00 -
[430] - Quote
Arkady Romanov wrote:The bit that I keep getting stuck on, is that you guys think you'll somehow bring us down when:
far more numerous, powerful, experienced and ridiculously wealthy and malicious enemies who actually know how to hurt us have tried for years, and failed.
Every single major threat we've had has, by hook or by crook, been killed or defanged.
You aren't even attacking us in the right arena. Others have at least tried to take our space, but its like you can't see that the POCOs are of minimal value to us in the grand scheme of things.
In other ways, funnily enough, Gevlon has done his usual thing of getting the right idea, but missing the point entirely. A cultural victory where he somehow manages to make us "ungoony" is a unique idea.
Too bad he fails to understand that even if he somehow contrived to have every member of GoonWaffe quit EVE forever, he still won't have killed us, because we don't have to play EVE to be Goons.
Don't think we mean to take your space or hellcamp you guys somewhere. Cleanse you from hisec and take all your hisec assets is quite the noble goal on itself Possibly confront you(CFC) with the fallacies in (some of) your (member's) rhetoric, showing the knife cuts both ways is bonus.
D.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
73
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:40:00 -
[431] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote: Getting some laughs is a good thing, but the moment someone lowers himself to goblin level and starts talking his kind of shite, it gets just sad. He actually believes the stuff he writes, because he most likely is a bit ******** irl, yet we should keep it going purely as entertainment.
I'll try and give an example. If you were part of an entity under siege by a big powerblock and the leader of said powerbloc had this to say; such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies. you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen by stabbing "your entity" in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving. We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their cowardGÇÖs prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.Given the context, would you not doubt this powerbloc's leader's sanity a little bit? He's your enemie and makes such a bloodthirsty rant afterall. Ok... Whatever your reply, please apply the same standards to mister Goblin's blog. D. 
I get what message you're trying to make, but the problem is you don't know goblins history. The example you gave is pretty much an inspirational speech a leader makes before a battle. Adding some role playing in it, maybe. But in the end, normal people know this is a game played for fun and we should not take such words literally. Gevlon, on the other hand, truly believes what he writes. I know - I've been laughing at it for years. He seriously believes to be a super human. He seriously believes only numbers matter in life and all social aspects are examples of stupidity of lesser beings. In his case this is not a propaganda in a game - it's what he really represents. We, probably, would meet at fanfest and laugh about it while drinking insane amounts of beer. To him, this is unimaginable. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:46:00 -
[432] - Quote
Allright, for the sake of the argument and in hope of less hate, more friendly banter and fun content for all;
Mister Goblin, could you please state a clear reply to following comments;
- Are you a super human?
- Do you believe only numbers matter in life and all social aspects are examples of stupidity of lesser beings?
- If we'd ever meet, would you be able to laugh about stuff while drinking insane amounts of beer?
I know I'm just a grunt but this still is important for me so I'd appreciate a reply.
Yours,
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:54:00 -
[433] - Quote
Danalee wrote:True. On the other hand, if said treaty wouldn't exist, goons would have lost quite a lot of pocos by now which leads to believe the treaty isn't beneficial to RVB as much as it is to goons. How did you reach this conclusion. The first POCO attack, RvB weren't even able to fight Marmite, and a group of miniluv caused you to flee the field. Goons are fully capable of forming up a defense fleet for anything you can throw at them. They just haven;t called it as a CTA yet as they don;t need to, since they made the treaty specifically to avoid it.
RvB are fully capable of making their own decisions. I think it's pretty insulting for you guys to stand from the outside and tell RvB what their benefits are. The main benefit of the treaty is that it meant RvB has sizable no opposition to holding their POCOs. if they'd had to fight goons over the POCOs, they wouldn't have been able to snatch up the hundreds they have. If RvB thought the treaty was unfair, they'd drop it or renegotiate.
Danalee wrote:Last quote: Realistically though, do you think your goal is achievable?I think there is a small chance it can be achieved but it will take quite a while and depends on funds, morale and numbers so all little victories count. Remember: we are taking on the CFC. Everybody likes the underdog  ] OK, rephrased, do you think your goal is achievable with the current leadership and strategic planning (or lack thereof)? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:06:00 -
[434] - Quote
Danalee wrote:I'll try and give an example. If you were part of an entity under siege by a big powerblock and the leader of said powerbloc had this to say;
such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies. you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen by stabbing "your entity" in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving. We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their cowardGÇÖs prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.
Given the context, would you not doubt this powerbloc's leader's sanity a little bit? He's your enemie and makes such a bloodthirsty rant afterall. N3 did in fact respond and they didn't doubt any sanity. They suddenly realised they'd been caught in a trap and had made some mistakes to get there. The difference is though, the CFC has a realistic chance of pulling off what they are saying, and a proven track record of doing it. That's why N3 take it seriously.
With lemmings, there's very little evidence they can actually achieve anything, and historically groups operating under the relaxed recruitment conditions have not done well. Gevlon has a history of failed ventures, and his isk balance, while substantial, is not exceptional. The strategy being laid out attacks irrelevant targets, and praises mediocrity. There's no part of the plan that stands out as a strength which realistically demonstrates a chance of success. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
178
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:08:00 -
[435] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:...But in the end, normal people know this is a game played for fun and we should not take such words literally... I might take that at face value, except that (a) normal people don't play EVE, and (2) many, if not most, who do play EVE don't play it "for fun".
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:14:00 -
[436] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:...But in the end, normal people know this is a game played for fun and we should not take such words literally... I might take that at face value, except that (a) normal people don't play EVE, and (2) many, if not most, who do play EVE don't play it "for fun". Citation needed. The vast majority of people I've played with I'd consider relatively normal, and they focus on being entertained by a game (which they fully understand EVE is). That may not be the same ratio as forum posters, as forum posters are a subset of the eve community. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
75
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:18:00 -
[437] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:...But in the end, normal people know this is a game played for fun and we should not take such words literally... I might take that at face value, except that (a) normal people don't play EVE, and (2) many, if not most, who do play EVE don't play it "for fun".
A)  2) My experience tells me otherwise, yet that is something impossible to prove from any point of view. All in all, games are here to provide entertainment, not to be a second job and that is the point. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
519
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:24:00 -
[438] - Quote
How did I reach this conclusion? The goons formed too late to save the first one which leads me to believe they could drop the ball sometime in the future. Lemmings had war with RVB at the time and Marmites didn't. We destroyed a poco (it got replaced) you guys eventually formed up (we watched... it took ages) and lost some ships due to not knowing hisec mechanics. We considered our first op success and went on to do other stuff (I went to bed )
On RVB it's my perception they have many pocos, goons have less, they like the hisec fights goons don't, they could thus take all pocos for themselves now and get rid of the goon stigma (<- associating with goons is frowned upon in hisec, the place where RVB resides most)
do I think our goal is achievable with the current leadership and strategic planning? If I say yes, will you believe me? There isn't one leader and their are many different plans adapted to ever changing situations. So a conditional yes is all I can give at this point in time.
D.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:26:00 -
[439] - Quote
Danalee wrote:D. 
The problem is that nobody clearly understands what is your objective.
The best objective I could decipher from you is 'we are going to claim any outcome is exactly as intended and that it was, in fact, our true secret objective since the begining'. |

Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
195
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:56:00 -
[440] - Quote
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:13:00 -
[441] - Quote
Danalee wrote:How did I reach this conclusion? The goons formed too late to save the first one which leads me to believe they could drop the ball sometime in the future. Lemmings had war with RVB at the time and Marmites didn't. Sure, the goons formed up late. It's not exactly a common experience and most of the guys doing it had been deployed to war for months, so it's not a surprise. But the Marmites are the stronger side of your force. So your lack of impact surely can't be down to the lemmings not forming up.
Danalee wrote:We destroyed a poco (it got replaced) you guys eventually formed up (we watched... it took ages) and lost some ships due to not knowing hisec mechanics. We considered our first op success and went on to do other stuff (I went to bed  ) Lol, yeah, you guys just happened t ochoose that time to call it op success and leave. Bull. I was there in system watching it all unfold, even prior to the goons turning up. Tora bolted giving the order to retreat while already in warp the moment the goons showed up. Are you seriously trying to claim now that all along their plan was to destroy a single POCO, and you all left because that was the end of the op? Right where you want us yeah? All part of the puppetmasta plan?
Danalee wrote:On RVB it's my perception they have many pocos, goons have less, they like the hisec fights goons don't, they could thus take all POCOs for themselves now and get rid of the goon stigma (<- associating with goons is frowned upon in hisec, the place where RVB resides most) RvB like to fight, but that doesn't mean they want to go into endless structure wars with an enemy knows for the types of tactics that goons are. When the POCOs were released, both goons and RvB knew that each other would be the main opposition, so rather than get into fights between them, leaving themselves weaker to attack from other people, they would work together for a monopoly. Sure RvB would be more likely to need to fight since they live in high sec, but then they got the bigger share of the spoils. Now they get fights with non-goons on their own turf, and know that their structures stand little real threat of being taken. Sounds like win-win to me. I don't think they much care what people think of them making a deal with goons. It's not the first and probably not the last deal they make with them. I can't see them collapsing to the ground crying "random highsec carebears are posting blogposts calling us pets. Waah. Life is not worth living!".
Danalee wrote:do I think our goal is achievable with the current leadership and strategic planning? If I say yes, will you believe me? There isn't one leader and there are many different plans adapted to ever changing situations. So a conditional yes is all I can give at this point in time. I can believe that you think that, sure. Of course I disagree with that conclusion, but you are welcome to think what you want. Time will inevitably show us the answer. In truth, I don't think most of Marmite even believe it, it's just a nice easy way to get some wars paid for a while. Honestly though, will it be worth it long term? RvB haven't even seriously formed up yet, and they have already dented your kb efficiency. If after the war, the goons decide to go against you properly, you'll undoubtedly see the same thing happening there too. You've essentially made enemies of one of the largest high sec groups and the largest nullsec group, and I think you grossly overestimate your abilities. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
538
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:53:00 -
[442] - Quote
In trying to follow this thread what I am curious about is the back-story and root source of Gevlon's angst with Goons?
Discuss...
Would you like to know more? |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
75
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:55:00 -
[443] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:In trying to follow this thread what I am curious about is the back-story and root source of Gevlon's angst with Goons? Discuss...
He was in TEST and swallowed their propaganda like a ... |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
520
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:18:00 -
[444] - Quote
Lucas,
I didn't say our supposed lack of impact had anything to do with lemmings. We killed a poco which is what we came for since we thought it would be a shame to let all those reinforced pocos just rep up (Lemmings couldn't come with RVB being purple blob next door). We don't care much for structure shoots.
The op was a success. We could have done it much faster but we were waiting to see what you would bring... In the end, nothing, so we brought some more nados and popped it. The guys that were in fleet were all euro timezone, you can check that it was waaaay passed our bedtime. No bull there.
RVB has more to fear from other Hisec entities than it has from people who are famously allergic to everything hisec. You of all people should also know the power of propaganda. and yes, they have a minor win-win situation with goons but they jumped in that boat too fast if you ask me, they could have had much more win and goons could have had nothing (in hisec that is)
As far as fighting the largest groups goes, gues we aren't as risk-averse or killboardstat fixated as you think huh, bring it 
D.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2707
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:20:00 -
[445] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Pete Butcher wrote: Getting some laughs is a good thing, but the moment someone lowers himself to goblin level and starts talking his kind of shite, it gets just sad. He actually believes the stuff he writes, because he most likely is a bit ******** irl, yet we should keep it going purely as entertainment.
I'll try and give an example. If you were part of an entity under siege by a big powerblock and the leader of said powerbloc had this to say; such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies. you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen by stabbing "your entity" in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving. We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their cowardGÇÖs prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.Given the context, would you not doubt this powerbloc's leader's sanity a little bit? He's your enemie and makes such a bloodthirsty rant afterall. Ok... Whatever your reply, please apply the same standards to mister Goblin's blog. D. 
Mittani's rhetoric is deliberately theatrical, because this is a MMORPG and someone needs to play the evil tyrant. Some people can't separate this from reality and cry on blogs for pages about how evil he must be IRL, despite the fact he's probably cuddling his puppy as they write it.
Is there anyone who didn't see early EvE trailers and think "WOW SO I CAN BE HAN SOLO THIS IS THE ****!"? Very few people  It's all a game, and not everyone is going to play joe-miner doing his daily 8hour shift, or Billy Starbuck roaming space looking for profit.
The people to worry about, are the people who spend hours on hours blogging that everyone needs to stop having fun in the game and start making ISK, so they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK they can make more ISK to make more ISK and then use it to make more ISK and then make more ISK to invest and make more ISK.
These people are called Gevlon, and whatever malfunction makes him think that I won't comment to, but he's missing a few screws.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:In trying to follow this thread what I am curious about is the back-story and root source of Gevlon's angst with Goons? Discuss...
Well it peaked during the fountain war last year, that's when his mind snapped for good. He'd been blogging for ages how the CFC were all morons because we could be ratting instead of taking regions, and eventually he threw his Randian plan into action and "saved TEST", making them invincible (heh) because donations make everything better. To do this he had to join TEST, and claimed he would pay (IIRC 20bil a month, per character to be in TEST). He had previously been kicked for posting on their forums over and over again that they were all morons for defending themselves instead of ratting and donating the ISK. TEST scammed the crap out of him, after he said he would equal any donation. Cue lots of TEST people recycling alliance money through the donations system and letting him double it for free.
His raison d'etre is, quite literally, just yelling how bad Goons are whilst throwing 10's of billions of ISK down the drain to no benefit.
Oh, and he's earned that ISK by spending 20-odd hours per day hauling implants around.
But since ISK is the goal the impact on his real life (he lives in a tiny apartment) is not important, ISK is the goal!
Oh, and grrrGOONS, but no one knows what his aims there are anymore. He moves the goalposts alot. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:43:00 -
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Danalee wrote:I didn't say our supposed lack of impact had anything to do with lemmings. We killed a poco which is what we came for since we thought it would be a shame to let all those reinforced pocos just rep up (Lemmings couldn't come with RVB being purple blob next door). We don't care much for structure shoots.
The op was a success. We could have done it much faster but we were waiting to see what you would bring... In the end, nothing, so we brought some more nados and popped it. The guys that were in fleet were all euro timezone, you can check that it was waaaay passed our bedtime. No bull there. mmmhmmmm.
Danalee wrote:RVB has more to fear from other Hisec entities than it has from people who are famously allergic to everything hisec. You of all people should also know the power of propaganda. and yes, they have a minor win-win situation with goons but they jumped in that boat too fast if you ask me, they could have had much more win and goons could have had nothing (in hisec that is) They still didn't want to get into a structure swaying battle with the goons. POCOs were rumoured (for some weird reason) to be worth phenomenal amounts of isk. They knew goons would be going for them. What possible reason would they have to waste their time fighting off reinforcement timers when they can easily make a treaty to avoid it? If they'd avoided the treaty, they'd have fought with goons, and other groups would have swept in taking more POCOs while they were fighting each other.
Look. the short of it is this. RvB know what they are doing. They don't need advice from little groups of wardeccers. If they really didn't think the treaty was worth it, they could EASILY break it. It's not like they'd have to pay a termination fee or anything. They are far more qualified to decide if a treaty is worth their while than you or me for that matter.
Danalee wrote:As far as fighting the largest groups goes, gues we aren't as risk-averse or killboardstat fixated as you think huh, bring it  I wouldn't say you are fighting them. Every time a fight is going to occur you guys mysteriously have to dock up or log off. Clearly it's just bad timing, and not at all that you would get pasted all over the side of a stargate if you went up against an actual fleet. If you are so sure of yourselves, stick around for a formup. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:50:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:TEST scammed the crap out of him, after he said he would equal any donation. Cue lots of TEST people recycling alliance money through the donations system and letting him double it for free. This was my favourite part. Anyone that couldn't see that coming from miles away has to be pretty special. I think after he plonked 40b into it he stopped doubling as he suddenly realised he was about to dump all of his isk into the system. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
76
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:12:00 -
[448] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:TEST scammed the crap out of him, after he said he would equal any donation. Cue lots of TEST people recycling alliance money through the donations system and letting him double it for free. This was my favourite part. Anyone that couldn't see that coming from miles away has to be pretty special. I think after he plonked 40b into it he stopped doubling as he suddenly realised he was about to dump all of his isk into the system.
Gevlon was always special. Remember how he seriously thought James 315 is the literal savior of Eve and he will teach all of hisec how to play and win, thus showered him with isk? Only then to find out James runs an entertainment business, call him a scammer and create his own fail ganking corp. Oh, those were fun times. Actually, I'm quite curious how J315 feels about him. |

Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:49:00 -
[449] - Quote
The future of EVE is ratting and ganking miners guys |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6566
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:20:00 -
[450] - Quote
Danalee wrote: - hundreds of "we don't care posts" everywhere
i have a counter-proposal
by trolling gevlon relentlessly, we have so far cost him 40b (donated to test) and 4b per week in wardec fees
that is applied against the net cost of nothing to our alliance except slightly more idiots in highsec killed and we've always seen that as an idiot tax, you don't ever go into highsec on a gsf character on your own except to suicide people because we're always wardecced
that, to me, is the best concentrated measurable pure return on posting investment we've ever achieved Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3724
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:29:00 -
[451] - Quote
Careful now, or he'll cook up another special surprise...
More graphs!
I can't help but wonder if Ledrian (the guy who infiltrated the New Order by showering us with isk, only to steal our schedules) is actually a Gevlon alt or close relative. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:28:00 -
[452] - Quote
Apparently, even Test can do more real damage to the Goons, by aborting a Titan and a sc...(cudos on taking the loss with aplomb). |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:32:00 -
[453] - Quote
Goblin's Blog wrote:They are also clearly losing the Lemmings war.
Of course they won't comment: "damn, you caught us, we are going down", the keep commenting "oh, we are having fun" and "didn't want that 1B pod anyway."
On the other hand I don't doubt that many RvB member claims the above honestly. Because "friglolling scrub" is a ****** identity and "we take every fight as a content" is much better.
Goblin on RvB. Some nice diplomacy there! |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:41:00 -
[454] - Quote
My main is in RvB, and I'm quite comfortable with my "eve identity". I gather that Gevlon can't grasp that, and well it is his loss.
Maybe I could point out that we have helped *thousands* of players learn how to PvP, far more than his miner "education" campaign... Maybe he would understand that? |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:47:00 -
[455] - Quote
Louis Robichaud wrote:My main is in RvB, and I'm quite comfortable with my "eve identity". I gather that Gevlon can't grasp that, and well it is his loss.
Maybe I could point out that we have helped *thousands* of players learn how to PvP, far more than his miner "education" campaign... Maybe he would understand that?
He sees people who do pvp as morons (opportunity costs) so I doubt he'd understand that. After all, every decent eve player should grind isk. You ought to be mining instead of friglolling! |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:06:00 -
[456] - Quote
Wow. Gevlon truly is one of the dumbest people I've ever witnessed. I think I'm going to have to stop even trying to reason with that moron, as I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post. Though probably what's more scary than his utterly delusional sense of superiority is that there are actually other people dumb enough to read "we killed a handful of frigates, thus RvB will definitely die" and actually believe it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:14:00 -
[457] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Wow. Gevlon truly is one of the dumbest people I've ever witnessed. I think I'm going to have to stop even trying to reason with that moron, as I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post. Though probably what's more scary than his utterly delusional sense of superiority is that there are actually other people dumb enough to read "we killed a handful of frigates, thus RvB will definitely die" and actually believe it.
I just read his replies to you. If I were marmite, I would start considering if incoming isk is really worth being labeled as a pet of such idiot. This is pitiful. |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
2
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:14:00 -
[458] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Allright, for the sake of the argument and in hope of less hate, more friendly banter and fun content for all; Mister Goblin, could you please state a clear reply to following comments; - Are you a super human? - Do you believe only numbers matter in life and all social aspects are examples of stupidity of lesser beings? - If we'd ever meet, would you be able to laugh about stuff while drinking insane amounts of beer? I know I'm just a grunt but this still is important for me so I'd appreciate a reply. Yours, D. 
Well I have been reading his blog for years I can answer 1 and 2 I think. No and no. Its a core tennet of his belief system that you can educate anyone willing to try to learn. He openly says over and over "Im not special", he openly says to not praise him for making a ton of isk so fast: COPY HIM AND MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF TOO. He'll even go through it with you and clarify anything in his guides that your not clear off. He's helped alot of people in many games and he does it in the name of a randian crusade to raise us all up from a culture of dependancy, welfare and grasping.
When I get back in the morning (off to work and Im late :D), I'll google for you and quote his eulogy to maggie thatcher. It explains so much about him and yeah I can follow what hes saying. As for point 3, who knows? does he drink beer? |

Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
178
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:42:00 -
[459] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:...I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post... I don't know you, Lucas, so I have no idea how much you had to start with. But as often as you post, you can't really afford to run a deficit!
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:47:00 -
[460] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:...I'm pretty sure I'm losing IQ with every post... I don't know you, Lucas, so I have no idea how much you had to start with. But as often as you post, you can't really afford to run a deficit! :D How wude!
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:47:00 -
[461] - Quote
It's a shame that he hasn't stuck to what he was good at... |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:52:00 -
[462] - Quote
Louis Robichaud wrote:It's a shame that he hasn't stuck to what he was good at... He's good at something? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.02.19 22:02:00 -
[463] - Quote
Some of the advice he has provided in the past was useful. For example, he had this nifty chart showing how many catalysts it took to blow up a mining ship, depending on the fit, sec status etc. As long as you read him with a critical mind, his blog was good. But as I said earlier, it's declining and his projects are more and more ill considered. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.02.19 23:05:00 -
[464] - Quote
Aaanyway, since RvB leadership is apparently like ****** *******, and since I'm just a lowly peon, obviously I must be this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf
Let's give it a try:
RvB has never lost a single ship! Our pocos block out the sun!!!
Hey, this is pretty fun! Thank you Gevlon!
Mittens emails me every morning! RvB has a high-sec carrier fleet! Lemmings run from us at every turn!
Oh wait, that last one was almost true. This is harder than it looks! Any tips Gevlon? |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:07:00 -
[465] - Quote
Back to serious.
Another big hole in Gevlon's logic. He claims that Marmite and Lemmings have done 17% of all the damage to RvB in February.
He seems to believe this is meaningful... but we've been at war with Marmite, several times! The "extra losses" from Marmite has not impeded us in the past in any way.
You therefore have to look at lemmings only losses... I bet the number isn't very impressive, is it?
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:32:00 -
[466] - Quote
Louis Robichaud wrote:Some of the advice he has provided in the past was useful. For example, he had this nifty chart showing how many catalysts it took to blow up a mining ship, depending on the fit, sec status etc. As long as you read him with a critical mind, his blog was good. But as I said earlier, it's declining and his projects are more and more ill considered.
We broke him, sorry  "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:37:00 -
[467] - Quote
I mean, he was never a great thinker, but when his ~big plan~ consists of an excel chart and some low SP highsec alts, you know he's half way to solitary confinement at Briarcliff Manor. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:07:00 -
[468] - Quote
Quote: Well I have been reading his blog for years I can answer 1 and 2 I think. No and no. Its a core tennet of his belief system that you can educate anyone willing to try to learn. He openly says over and over "Im not special", he openly says to not praise him for making a ton of isk so fast: COPY HIM AND MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF TOO. He'll even go through it with you and clarify anything in his guides that your not clear off. He's helped alot of people in many games and he does it in the name of a randian crusade to raise us all up from a culture of dependancy, welfare and grasping.
When I get back in the morning (off to work and Im late :D), I'll google for you and quote his eulogy to maggie thatcher. It explains so much about him and yeah I can follow what hes saying. As for point 3, who knows? does he drink beer?
Then you haven't been reading between the lines. His "educational" system is more or less saying "look how awesome and always right I am, you should be like me". His "I'm not special" means "if you advance on the ladder I created, you can be a superior being like me". After such talks he goes to presenting (with charts!) how a group of people he targets now (socials, miners, goons, rvb) are morons and lower lifeforms, and gives "advice" how to become as awesome like he is (be antisocial, grind isk, pad your kb, fit your ship like I say, mine like I tell you, don't be an ally of goons and never ever play for fun). |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:14:00 -
[469] - Quote
Another fine show of diplomacy, not having a superiority complex and understanding people:
gevlon wrote: vB is the most risk averse bunch in EVE. Some of them are genuine newbie who has no choice, the rest are just punks. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
788
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:17:00 -
[470] - Quote
Danalee wrote:RVB has more to fear from other Hisec entities than it has from people who are famously allergic to everything hisec. You of all people should also know the power of propaganda. and yes, they have a minor win-win situation with goons but they jumped in that boat too fast if you ask me, they could have had much more win and goons could have had nothing (in hisec that is) As far as fighting the largest groups goes, gues we aren't as risk-averse or killboardstat fixated as you think huh, bring it  D. 
Not sure you can actually impact goons like that. The more meaningful internet spaceship shooting is happening, the more they'll show up.
In any case this isn't about pocos, its about the customers of the pocos (bears), and the CFC has 4 regions with bear space and 100 bear middle managers they can outsource newbear management to. ie if a poco became a dead loss, then the goons can literally poach the customers offering something that Gevlon can't (goons can near triple extraction efficiency per character of PI for those customers), and goons can solve logistics so its as or even more convenient than moving the goods to/from jita themselves. Not only that once they have the captive audience they can distort the captive market to attack the economic value of some pocos.
It amuses me that the game is being played along 1 (the woeful shoot goons strategy), and goons not only are completely defended against option 1, they are completely defended against option 2 (customer poaching), and option 3 (economic attack).
They can even keep RvB in the loop because RvB can easily have a corp that was in plbrd and owned whatever proportion of pocos was desired (which could then pay RvB members for recruiting-by-the-carrot, and for recruiting-by-the-stick), and then they would also have a holiday corp they can send broke but relatively trustable members temporarily to to rat.
It looks to me like RvB is doing extraction pocos (by the numbers they have), so I'd imagine me just floating the idea out there will probably get gears whirling, because there is an interesting ratio to be played with in null (larger transaction size/day per customer).
ie face it, goons can even lose the pocos and still win, and RvB would be blatheringly stupid to pick a highsec entity for this partnership because of how far they could actually take PI domination with a nullsec partner, and yes, RvBs highsec presence would be absolutely needed even if the pocos were completely lost. |
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Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:34:00 -
[471] - Quote
Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me.
Lots of serious posting in this thread! |

FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
83
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:46:00 -
[472] - Quote
Gevlon,
IGÇÖll make this public, since youGÇÖve decided to make nothing private.
I'm not one for forums so you probably won't see me post a response again, because I actually have a community to manage in game. Apparently you run some blog site too but i'm yet to waste my time on that.
You seem to state a lot of things that RvB leadership are planning, yet you've never asked me, or the other RvB CEO a single thing. IGÇÖm probably one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE, so donGÇÖt be afraid to simply talk to me rather than spouting haphazard rumours that make you look silly.
I must take my hat off and thank you for creating so much extra content for RvBers. Purple fleets help to solicit the community bond between both teams and they are a hell of a lot of fun (Stick a spy alt in them and enjoy our coms).
RvB obviously thoroughly enjoys PvP combat, and we take all the targets we can get. If you were not such an imbecile at the start, you could have come to us and said "hey would you like to help us shoot *Insert Any Alliance Here* for a week?" and we might have listened if it gave us good fights. We don't really care who we shoot, because we have no null-sec sovereignty to defend or tangible treaties to break. But now after your terrible management of what should have been a diplomatic war, you are left with fewer options and more opposition.
I don't really mind Marmites anymore, we have some fun tussles and they provide our pilots with lots of third party war-target content when some of our pilots want to fly together as purple and bring out the fun ships. We lose some ships to them; they lose some ships to us. Very surprisingly, RvBers have grown to enjoy Marmite combat because we get to use fun ships that we wouldnGÇÖt normally like to explode 10 times a day in normal RvB combat. I'm sure Marmites enjoy the combat just as much, given that we have some silly new members who donGÇÖt know how to use instant-undocks (You are welcome Tora). IGÇÖve learned that they are great at camping stations and trade routes; itGÇÖs not my idea of fun but good on them for doing what they do best. They also have some of the most entertaining forum trolls that IGÇÖve witnessed.
As for a 'deal' with Goonswarm, it's nothing but a mutual agreement and never will be anything more. You know, the kinds of things that two sensible and intelligent organisations perform. After our POCOs were acquired, the conversation went basically like this "If you want to help defend our POCOs, we will help defend yours. There's no obligation to come and we know there are times that you wonGÇÖt want to if you have other stuff to do". Goons know full well that RvB likes to remain as neutral as we can. But this mutual agreement makes too much sense for both RvB and Goonswarm. It originally started during the POCO implementation into EvE. Both Goons and RvB wanted as many POCOs in The Forge region as we could each get, it would be silly to spend half the acquisition time fighting each other, so we said we will try and aim for different systemsGǪ and we did just that. The whole conversation was over before you could drink a glass of Quafe.
I was hesitating whether or not it was necessary to help Goonswarm in the last POCO assistance. I was actually leaning against it, to try and find some new third party war-targetsGǪ but the response from our members suggested that they really enjoyed the last POCO defence fleets and roams, so as long as RvB members are having fun I donGÇÖt mind RvB entering the war again if Goonswarm needs assistance (they really donGÇÖt even need our help). If RvB members did not enjoy it, we would not do it; some of the members who lost expensive pods were the most vocal advocates for continuing the war. We laugh at them for losing expensive pods and they laugh too (Just probably not as much).
The killboard statistics which you seem to post. We simply donGÇÖt care. Posting an RvB war report is like posting a BNI war report. You seem to be the only person in New Eden who does not know that RvB is not playing a risk-averse PvP game here. The only time we post a killboard report is if we win against people who are trying to play an ISK efficiency game, because that stuff both amuses and surprises us.
I've come to the conclusion that you have kept this entire charade going purely because you like the attention... Honestly, thatGÇÖs my current thoughts. Otherwise, I can not see the benefits from your standpoint.
By trying to crush this 'evil Goon regime' you've gone ahead and proven that goons are not bad guys at all, and at the same time... proven what a rude ignorant person you can be.
The way I see this; Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid. RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free. Goons win. They keep their POCOs. Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave. It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.
All I can further say is that you have a lot to learn when it comes to the area of PR and running a community appropriately. If you would like to respond to me Gevlon, IGÇÖm happy to listen to your private chat in-game or on Skype. Otherwise your future public posts and questions directed at RvB command will sadly be falling on deaf ears.
Thank you again for all the PvP content, FallenTitan Blue Republic CEO
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
78
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:47:00 -
[473] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me.
Don't tell it to your master or the funding might stop. You are here to grind numbers for pretty charts after all. |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:10:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me. Don't tell it to your master or the funding might stop. You are here to grind numbers for pretty charts after all.
But I just did 
As for why I am here, people can think what they want 
I was camping the Amarr undock anyway, in a moment of boredom, and saw I missed out on a lot of kills, so I wanted to come back  |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:14:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Lol you guys. Personally I don't even play to win, whatever that is. I might enjoy winning a fight here and there, but it is just a game after all.
I play for fun. As long as the war continues and I am having fun, that is all that matters to me. Don't tell it to your master or the funding might stop. You are here to grind numbers for pretty charts after all.
seriously, Renegade Heart, we are glad your having fun. go you!
You wont understand gevlon though until you read http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ ;particularly http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html part 1 . Let me quote you the start:
" Introducing...the Scrub The derogatory term GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.
Now, everyone begins as a poor playerGÇöit takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what youGÇÖre doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win."
Mittiani plays to win. so do the goons and so does Gevlon. He defines his fun by winning/success. If he doesn't win hes not having fun. Thats why hes so vulnerable to mockery of his goals; the easiest way to stop his rather random crusade is to slap a NOS (have I got the right fit thingy there guys?) on his morale capacator and let it run him dry. Lets face it this war will end when Gevlon gets bored with it or becomes convinced he cant win.
What was it Montolio said when he resigned Test/HBC? "it was fun until it wasn't"? |

Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge Darwins Lemmings
143
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:21:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:A scrub does not play to win.
It's funny when criminals trying to dock up, in 2 billion isk pods, get blapped by scrubs 
I hope the CFC/RvB players that care learn their instawarp/instadock bookmarks before they suffer the same fate  |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:22:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Tarojan wrote:A scrub does not play to win. It's funny when criminals trying to dock up, in 2 billion isk pods, get blapped by scrubs  I hope the CFC/RvB players that care learn their instawarp/instadock bookmarks before they suffer the same fate 
As I said: go you! |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.20 07:23:00 -
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Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html :
"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
80
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:00:00 -
[479] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html : "I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher When he was boasting his miner ganks and claiming to be better pvper than the rest of eve, i gave him another quote:" if you need to remind people you are a lady, you aren't". He didn't get the message. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:09:00 -
[480] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html : "I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher Pfft. Bloody Maragaret Thatcher. Thanks for wrecking the country love. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
7
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:35:00 -
[481] - Quote
Well Lucas, I also think she was a disaster at least at home. Still living with the fallout of her taking a nuke to social housing, jobs in the north and our industry. Very Mitanni actually; let me quote him for you:
Ignore Industrialists: In an alliance or corporation, industrialists are completely irrelevant and should never be allowed a voice in anything. Sound extreme? It isnGÇÖt. An industrialist is not a logistician, but a GÇÿproducerGÇÖ. Producers live in hisec in countless numbers, and anything that is built there can simply be imported from Jita with a jump freighter - by a logistician. Logisticians matter in alliances; so do financiers, diplomats, and most of all warriors. Producers do not.
This is from his sins of the solar spymaster series and its a major reason why Gevlon has identifyed YOU as an enemy. Rightly or wrongly ofc. Btw PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont stop posting. Its refreshing to see intelligent and informed debate and the goblin is thriving on it. Note to self: buy more popcorn. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
521
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:41:00 -
[482] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html : "I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations." Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher
Thanks, Tarojan. I see now why I don't have many issues with the things he posts. He's the internet's version of Ron Paul (Or closer at my home, Guy verhofstadt)
To quote Margaret Thatcher, I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job. I do expect everyone to remain civil and not stoop to the level of personal attacks and namecalling. Lastly, I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end 
Fallentitan wrote: The way I see this; Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid. RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free. Goons win. They keep their POCOs. Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave.
Nice writeup, I agree for at least 95% with what you wrote. Thanks for taking the time posting it.
D.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
80
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:06:00 -
[483] - Quote
Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here:
Quote: It's possible that this FallenTitan is just a dumbass (he actually admits that "I'm one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE") who really did not see what's going on right under his nose. Probably Professor Clio was the Goon contact who approached him once a month saying "hey, I found a war that might be fun, shall we jump on it"? And he said "why not" without having a list to realize that it's yet another "defend Goons from Marmite" war |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
8
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:21:00 -
[484] - Quote
Pete Butcher wrote:Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here: Quote: It's possible that this FallenTitan is just a dumbass (he actually admits that "I'm one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE") who really did not see what's going on right under his nose. Probably Professor Clio was the Goon contact who approached him once a month saying "hey, I found a war that might be fun, shall we jump on it"? And he said "why not" without having a list to realize that it's yet another "defend Goons from Marmite" war If you want to discuss the gevlon RB scrap come join us in that thread then! more the merrier. Or we can stay here and talk goony stuff. (note I dont know much about goony stuff) |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
80
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:29:00 -
[485] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Pete Butcher wrote:Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here: Quote: It's possible that this FallenTitan is just a dumbass (he actually admits that "I'm one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE") who really did not see what's going on right under his nose. Probably Professor Clio was the Goon contact who approached him once a month saying "hey, I found a war that might be fun, shall we jump on it"? And he said "why not" without having a list to realize that it's yet another "defend Goons from Marmite" war If you want to discuss the gevlon RB scrap come join us in that thread then! more the merrier. Or we can stay here and talk goony stuff. (note I dont know much about goony stuff) Already tried but Gevlon doesn't allow my posts, despite I don't do any trolling there. You can't have a discussion, since he moderates out comments to which he doesn't have a response ready. And because of that he is too scared to engage in any meaningful conversation in any other place. Therefore is useless to talk to him there, since you'll either get some idiotic response or get blocked. He did say he treats comments which disagree with him as spam. |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
8
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:38:00 -
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Dude I meant https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=323511&find=unread
Shame he blocked you on the blog. You seem intelligent. Would have been fun reading your stuff. |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
140
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:47:00 -
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FallenTitan wrote: Thank you again for all the PvP content, FallenTitan Blue Republic CEO
If you agree or disagree with Fallen Titan doesn't matter in this case. Spoken as a true CEO. +1
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Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2
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FallenTitan wrote: It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.
Nice post but... is it me or for some "odd" reason Mr. Blue Republic CEO is not overly fond of what follows? |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6299
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:42:00 -
[489] - Quote
One time bump to fix forum. |

Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
182
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:18:00 -
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FallenTitan wrote:It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason... Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
524
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Posted - 2014.02.21 09:10:00 -
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Manny Moons wrote:FallenTitan wrote:It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason... Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do.
Manny moons, that's actually spoken as a true RVB player, **** politics and enjoy yourself with some PVP... Wait, you are in Lemmings Even better, they don't lie about their "mission" than.
D.

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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2572
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Posted - 2014.02.21 12:07:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Manny Moons wrote:FallenTitan wrote:It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason... Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do. Manny moons, that's actually spoken as a true RVB player, **** politics and enjoy yourself with some PVP... Wait, you are in Lemmings  Even better, they don't lie about their "mission" than. I'm still confused as to how sitting on the Amarr undock for 10 hours is PvP. But ah well, *shrug*.
All these smacktalk and all these conspiracy theories on both these threads is entertaining and all (though rapidly decreasing), but is there any chance of seeing any actual fight at any point? It would be pretty fun to actually see some action happening. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
186
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:25:00 -
[493] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:I'm still confused as to how sitting on the Amarr undock for 10 hours is PvP. But ah well, *shrug*... Apparently "real" PvP is a rarity in EVE. When I was a ganker, I was told ganking was not PvP. Now I learn that fights on gates and stations are not PvP. When I watch streams of nullsec battles at 10% TiDi, they don't seem much like PvP to me. Off-grid-boosters. Blops. Neutral reps. Awoxes & safaris. Shooting structures. Shooting blues. Shooting newbies. ECM. Market PvP. Why is everyone doing stuff that doesn't qualify as "real" PvP? Someday I hope to learn what real PvP is like, but until then I guess I'll dabble with all the other things that seem to be so popular.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2580
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:38:00 -
[494] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I'm still confused as to how sitting on the Amarr undock for 10 hours is PvP. But ah well, *shrug*... Apparently "real" PvP is a rarity in EVE. When I was a ganker, I was told ganking was not PvP. Now I learn that fights on gates and stations are not PvP. When I watch streams of nullsec battles at 10% TiDi, they don't seem much like PvP to me. Off-grid-boosters. Blops. Neutral reps. Awoxes & safaris. Shooting structures. Shooting blues. Shooting newbies. ECM. Market PvP. Why is everyone doing stuff that doesn't qualify as "real" PvP? Someday I hope to learn what real PvP is like, but until then I guess I'll dabble with all the other things that seem to be so popular. It's pretty simple. "Real" PvP is where you actually go and fight. You know, with the other person firing back and everything! Boosters, logi, numbers, they all affect the fairness of a fight, but even unfair PvP is PvP. But sitting inside a docking ring smacktalking, sitting on a gate and ganking, they are not "Real" PvP.
What you guys do in Lemmings most of the time (and I know, since I've actually been on fleets right beside you guys) is not PvP. It's waiting. How do you not get bored just sitting there hoping a flashy red undocks long enough to take them down? (Actual question, not a troll).
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Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
186
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:48:00 -
[495] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:It's pretty simple. "Real" PvP is where you actually go and fight. You know, with the other person firing back and everything! Boosters, logi, numbers, they all affect the fairness of a fight, but even unfair PvP is PvP. But sitting inside a docking ring smacktalking, sitting on a gate and ganking, they are not "Real" PvP.
What you guys do in Lemmings most of the time (and I know, since I've actually been on fleets right beside you guys) is not PvP. It's waiting. How do you not get bored just sitting there hoping a flashy red undocks long enough to take them down? (Actual question, not a troll).
Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"?
And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting?
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2580
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:54:00 -
[496] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"? There's not really a set distance, but you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight. An I'm no more knowledgeable than anyone else with common sense. I mean, it's pretty obvious. You guys even know it, since you clearly identify what you do as a camp since the fleets are called for as "gate camp" or "station camp".
Manny Moons wrote:And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting? Sadly, it's no less boring at all. Luckily, they've decided to do a 9th season of 24, so I'm rewatching the other 8 on netflix before that comes out, so I keep entertained.
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Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
186
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:22:00 -
[497] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:...you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight... If I am to "fight" war targets in highsec, where else would I look for them? I can't engage them inside stations, nor in warp between stations and gates. That primarily leaves the station docks and the gates. I'm assuming they generally won't be mining or missioning while at war, and won't usually be hanging around pocos except when timers force them to show up en masse. Assuming they don't want to "duel at the sun," in which case a war dec would have been unnecessary, where would you expect "fights" to happen? And as far as camping goes, the likelihood of meeting war targets at a gate or station is somewhat small unless one or the other of us is lingering there.
So please, educate me, if you have the time. Take a break from your gig as critic and show me a better way.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2583
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:32:00 -
[498] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:...you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight... If I am to "fight" war targets in highsec, where else would I look for them? I can't engage them inside stations, nor in warp between stations and gates. That primarily leaves the station docks and the gates. I'm assuming they generally won't be mining or missioning while at war, and won't usually be hanging around pocos except when timers force them to show up en masse. Assuming they don't want to "duel at the sun," in which case a war dec would have been unnecessary, where would you expect "fights" to happen? And as far as camping goes, the likelihood of meeting war targets at a gate or station is somewhat small unless one or the other of us is lingering there. So please, educate me, if you have the time. Take a break from your gig as critic and show me a better way. Well a high sec wartarget from a highsec corm will indeed mission and mine in high sec. Not everyone hides as soon as there's a threat. Your problem is that you've chosen to engage in a war with a group that doesn't actually live in highsec, so when people are there they are generally just moving stuff back and forth (stupidly I might add). If you wanted fights with your target, you'd go to where your target actually does live, so in this case null sec. But let's face it. you don't want fights. You want to pad your KB so Marmite might accept you into their ranks (since your alliance has been officially stated as a Marmite training alliance). The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Manny Moons
Party Poppers Darwins Lemmings
186
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:05:00 -
[499] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:...Your problem is... ...you don't want... ...You want... Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip."
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2584
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:41:00 -
[500] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:...Your problem is... ...you don't want... ...You want... Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip." Squeeze harder.
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
161
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Posted - 2014.02.22 09:00:00 -
[501] - Quote
RvB is a pretty good place to experience PvP, just saying :) |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
145
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:04:00 -
[502] - Quote
Louis Robichaud wrote:RvB is a pretty good place to experience PvP, just saying :) It's just like communism, looks good on paper, but when you have it, you re ******. Join the free world, join Lemmings !
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6627
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Posted - 2014.02.22 14:27:00 -
[503] - Quote
Manny Moons wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:...Your problem is... ...you don't want... ...You want... Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip." you can't Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
21
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Posted - 2014.02.22 14:59:00 -
[504] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Manny Moons wrote:Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"? There's not really a set distance, but you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight. An I'm no more knowledgeable than anyone else with common sense. I mean, it's pretty obvious. You guys even know it, since you clearly identify what you do as a camp since the fleets are called for as "gate camp" or "station camp". Manny Moons wrote:And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting? Sadly, it's no less boring at all. Luckily, they've decided to do a 9th season of 24, so I'm rewatching the other 8 on netflix before that comes out, so I keep entertained.
well thanks for killing my pvp dream. So its really just the same as mining or combat missions then? better done tabbed out watching ****? -á"quote=Erotica 1 "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked." Theres a reason I play eve XD |

Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
105
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Posted - 2014.02.22 15:17:00 -
[505] - Quote
General Lemming wrote:Join the free world, join Lemmings !
http://youtu.be/obkI7dE4o5w?t=46m32s |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:43:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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