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Professor Clio
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.02 15:56:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Pew Terror wrote:This was a pretty long read for what basically amounts to:
"Random 3rd parties spend personal money and tears on free RvB content creation." Someone's laughing... But it ain't rvbee  To quote Mangala Solaris > FUCKFUCKUFCKUFCKUFCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK D. 
Meh, Marmite's efficiency against RvB (going by your own KB campaign) is 59%, not exactly something to brag about. You've lost close to a billion just today. |
Leigh Akiga
My Highsec Backbone
542
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:11:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Meh, Marmite's efficiency against RvB (going by your own KB campaign) is 59%, not exactly something to brag about. You've lost close to a billion just today.
I'm sure that can be spun as a victory for Marmite with enough emoticons, memes, ROI, opportunity cost or KDR talk.
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Xiderpunk
Noob Mercs
Monkeys with Guns.
12
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Posted - 2014.02.02 17:39:00 -
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This like the other thread is interesting read, if for no other reason than the amount of vitriol directed towards Mr Goblin. Generally I guess it works like this.. content creators (which Mr Goblin unarguably is!) are to be thanked and applauded except when that content is directed at you, then they must be vilified and crushed beneath the weight of 1000's of mocking posts.
The POCO's whilst I dare say add a fair chunk of income for Mr Mittani, are probably chump change compared to their income from their nullsec renters and R64's.
There are some really nice areas of space in Fountain and Vale of the Silent which provide this income. I recommend visiting that space and enjoying the view, bringing a cloak and a covert cyno is also well worth it. There is a great many BLOPS gangs who are extremely bored and would dearly love for some content.
If you want to 'war goons!' seems to me that would be the most effective way to do so.. and best of all it's free! |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2607
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Posted - 2014.02.02 17:58:00 -
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Xiderpunk wrote:There are some really nice areas of space in Fountain and Vale of the Silent which provide this income. I recommend visiting that space and enjoying the view, bringing a cloak and a covert cyno is also well worth it. There is a great many BLOPS gangs who are extremely bored and would dearly love for some content.
If you want to 'war goons!' seems to me that would be the most effective way to do so.. and best of all it's free!
This wild and zany idea involves leaving the docking ring of a station, so it's a little pointless recommending it to Marmite.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Xiderpunk
Noob Mercs
Monkeys with Guns.
13
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:06:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Xiderpunk wrote:There are some really nice areas of space in Fountain and Vale of the Silent which provide this income. I recommend visiting that space and enjoying the view, bringing a cloak and a covert cyno is also well worth it. There is a great many BLOPS gangs who are extremely bored and would dearly love for some content.
If you want to 'war goons!' seems to me that would be the most effective way to do so.. and best of all it's free! This wild and zany idea involves leaving the docking ring of a station, so it's a little pointless recommending it to Marmite.
Yeah I probably should have been a bit more honest and added a disclaimer: This war goons idea will not appeal or work for HS war deccers as there is a slim chance that you might lose your cloaky ship getting to and from the space concerned. |
Pinky Feldman
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
681
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:26:00 -
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First off, I just wanna say to hello to my goonfriends here such as Powers, as well as old highsec bros like Tora. I'm not currently active in EVE, but was bored on Superbowl Sunday and this thread caught my eye due to my roots as a former HS-war deccer. As someone who has attempted to organize highsec against le ebil gewns in the past with Save Jita and as someone who is currently blue to them, let me share the biggest hurdles I think need to be overcome for highsec to properly stand against an organized null entity.
1) Highsec pvpers are too disorganized to effectively go up against a well polished nullsec entity.
Part of this is due to the way that highsec naturally tends to organize. You have many corps all on seperate comms, all with seperate staging systems, with no unified doctrine other than kitchen sink comps like close range armor.
When I organized Save Jita to counter the first Burn Jita, one of the major difficulties we faced was the inability to effectively formup and cross communicate efforts across groups since we had to do everything with in-game chat windows, which was cumbersome, slow, and frustrating. Trying to coordinate with a myriad of CEOs and FCs, getting their 5-10 dudes to the same place and all on the same comms was a mess.
Compare that to Goons, which have full jabber access such that all an FC needs to do is send out a ping for a fleet and they're able to get the right pieces in place and formup in the same station. They're on the same comms, same auth, individuals who don't have ships can buy fitted ships off contract. They're playing a completely different game than you are.
2) Highsec PVPers hate losing ships compared to nullsec f1 monkeys.
Due to the sizes of HS pvp groups, fleet battles where incoming DPS will always be too high for anyone to catch reps other than maybe the FC are uncommon compared to the fights of nullsec. HS groups tend to fly bling and usually as individuals dislike losing ships, since HS warfare is all about efficiency as a metric of success likely due to the lack of strategic objectives to fight over. While, it may be easy to call them risk averse and leave it at that, I think that's the wrong term to use here and rather I think the bigger factor at play is the lack of SRP that null pvpers have been conditioned with.
3) The disparity in technical FC ability and tactical style.
Highsec FCs tend to lack the technical skills required for larger fleet fights. This doesn't make them bad FCs, in fact as hunters, I would wager that they're hands down better at spotting traps, baiting, and scouting than nullsec FCs.
Unfortunately, they aren't used to the faster pace of large fights where primaries are getting two volleyed, the speed that the process the overview once it fully fills up might be slow, they don't have the right tab filters setup, and most importantly, they're not used to broadcasting primaries.
Many Highsec FCs and players in general are excellent combat probers, but lack the quick-draw probe/fleet warp trigger finger that a null FC like Vee or Elendar might have.
4) Lack of overall HS unity.
Individually, even the largest HS groups will struggle to fight goons on their own, but i'm not convinced the catalyst for them to unite together is possible. Save Jita could have been something amazing if all the HS groups that pledged to show up actually had in the numbers I knew they were capabble of. Unfortunately, they didn't and two of the bigger groups at the time, God Squad and Doubletap completely wussed out. Many groups in HS dislike Goons, but when faced with the option of flying with another HS war dec group who they consider inferior versus continuing business as usual and harvest easy and juicy kills, it will be a struggle to get enough groups in the former category such that you can actually fight goons effectively.
In retrospect, I simply don't think that it's possible to expect HS to unite under the same banner in a single fleet to fight goons with the numbers they need since the egos at play and old grudges are too much. These barriers might be able to be overcome and I hope i'm wrong, but really i'd put my money on GSF teaming up with ex-BoB to kill PL happening before all the major HS groups are willing to unite for any significant period of time.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6305
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:45:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:
So yes, the statement "you can get Goons + RvB for 50M/week forever" is not true. The true statement is
"you can get Goons + RvB for 500M/week forever and you can make it 50M for the first week". Assuming Mynnna remains busy planting new POCOs, you can just drop the Goon war and restart after a day using his next dummy corp for 50M.
is this the big announcement
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Domineren
failing war report
Darwins Lemmings
1315
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Posted - 2014.02.02 22:03:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:3 weeks one poco? Only like 3000 more to go, you'll be doing this for 9000 weeks at this rate, Or 173.14 years think you need to speed things up... Obviously your horrid at this game. Have you considered joining RVB? You can then shoot this imbecile for free. Why would I join rvb when my merc corp is ripping marmite and soon lemmings from stem to stern? Besides I was already in Red Fed, kick ass RVB!!
tooooooolllll...im no fan of marmite but i like fighting rvb and goons. let me know when the war goes valid so i can station camp you
Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3441
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Posted - 2014.02.03 00:54:00 -
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I really thought Gevlon was cooking his socks and underwear in a pot. This announcement instead is not nearly as nasty.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Powers Sa
876
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Posted - 2014.02.03 02:38:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I was told, Goonswarm came to late (what a surprise), Lost a poco that never could be taken, Goon scout checked poco and got popped and podded, RvB fleet showed up for nothing and got blue balled, Goons ****** up and got shot by Concord, More Goons got popped after 10+ kill rights were activated, Marmites and Lemmings left bored and Goons were so annoyed that all they could do is spam local. Then had to go back to 00 land, to do it all over again in a few days. I hope RvB is enjoying this 100% purple fleet from here on. Cuz that's all RvB will be for a longggg time. RvB used to be a great alliance, but your deal with Goonswarm is ******* that up big-time. What a shame  Don't want to stay purple and have 280398 rules, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters in 'Darwins Lemmings'. The joy, great victory, congrats 
lmao, i guess gevlon is imparting his wild imagination and fiction upon others. You had the opportunity to fight, but didn't. I saw your proteus there, when you decided to leave like a coward.
lol |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6308
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:41:00 -
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apparently this was the big announcement: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/goons-and-pets-on-killboard.html
i would say more but i'm gasping for air laughing
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6308
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:42:00 -
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send help need oxygen
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6308
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:44:00 -
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Quote:For a billion I also got the Razor killboard data for comparison purposes.
razor got a billion isk for killboard data oh my god that's amazing
*gasp*
*oxygen*
*aaugh*
help...me...
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Enya Dorne
16
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Posted - 2014.02.03 04:15:00 -
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After reading that wall of text this is my favorite part,
"Stop being pets! Goons are holding their power because of the myth that they are strong and everyone else is just tagging along and should be grateful for the opportunity. The truth is the opposite: their effort and PvP power is trivial compared to their size. Stop falling for their propaganda and get hard numbers! It's you who claimed the regions for the CFC, you should be reaping the rewards, you should be calling the shots, not that bunch of forum trolls!"
I nearly died from laughter, Gevlon you have no idea what you are talking about do you? |
Pinky Feldman
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
685
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Posted - 2014.02.03 04:24:00 -
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Serious question though, Tora. What's the deal with with HS nerds not fighting back against goons? You know you have the firepower to absolutely lock down that area and goons actively contesting means awesome content outside the standard station/gate camping.
Sure there might be obstacles, such as the ones I highlighted, but by no means are they impossible to overcome and I want to make it clear that I wrote those not to discourage anyone, but to paint a clear picture to Gevlon difficulties that must be planned for an overcome. Use of a social movement alone to combat goons in highsec isn't enough, sinec EVE is a game. You have to generate fun content for your troops and give them a reason to log in too.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
elise densi
Dark Amarr Ancestry
40
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:23:00 -
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guys i ran out of popcon and soda how can i continue watching this drama with out please help me :) |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:41:00 -
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But guys you are missing the point, that poco costs like a 100m, that is not a devastating blow, but that is at least 4 month in moon income. Great victory indeed. Here gevlon will accomplish what the biggest super power in EVE couldn't accomplish, forever remove the goon cancer from EVE by the ingenious method of destroying their morale by taking their highsec poco. Leave no highsec POCO behind.
All rejoice for no content to write about so I create some bullshit content myself gevlon. YaY |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:07:00 -
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"based on hours of data crunching that I paid 1bil ISK for even though it is free if I knew what I was doing i have concluded that goonwaffe, a corp who recruits out-of-game and has no in-game activity or ability requirements has a poor kda"
"i probably should have realised this was a self-evident truth but then i wouldnt be able to tilt at my "call everyone pets to win" windmill"
Honestly, your "No it was everyone elses fault I failed" post is going to be so amazing already, I can't wait to see how many more deluded chapters this story has first.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Lucy Oreless
Control-Space
DARKNESS.
207
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:31:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:But guys you are missing the point, that poco costs like a 100m, that is not a devastating blow, but that is at least 4 month in moon income. Great victory indeed. Here gevlon will accomplish what the biggest super power in EVE couldn't accomplish, forever remove the goon cancer from EVE by the ingenious method of destroying their morale by taking their highsec poco. Leave no highsec POCO behind.
All rejoice for no content to write about so I create some bullshit content myself gevlon. YaY
hahahaahahah 
When Mitten's grandkids asks him what made hes empire fall apart, i realy doubt the answer will be... the high-sec poco we lost
I love Gevlon, even mental-pasients withouth medicine cant come up with better dribble than him!
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3450
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:20:00 -
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Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2501
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Posted - 2014.02.03 16:20:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. I am willing to sell secrets.
For a mere 5 billion isk I'll sell the type of each planet in not just CFC space, but all null regions! Secretly gathered from various sources and held exclusively by the CFC (and perhaps a few others, but who knows who!). With that information he can tell us how peasant our planet compositions are.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4560
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Posted - 2014.02.03 16:35:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
I can tell him so many secrets.
This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
zyalino
NORDIC COMPANY
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
12
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:10:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt.
whatever |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2503
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:03:00 -
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zyalino wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt. lol, and you are sure it was all a scam attempt?
It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Erotica 1, but that extract to me read as a troll.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
766
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:06:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.
Someone should sell him the secret of posting stuff that actually makes sense.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
2021
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:16:00 -
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zyalino wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose. it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt.
One calls that a fight between 2 attentionwhores .... atm gevlon is winning.
Hey at least he's winning something right ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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zyalino
NORDIC COMPANY
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
12
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:11:00 -
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sry guys, wanted to give troll posting a try too - am a bit disapointed that i didn't succeed in being obvious enough.
@flat: yep, he always is winning. that's his very nature.
whatever |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2922
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Posted - 2014.02.04 03:14:00 -
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So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it.
"United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing. 
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
459
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:21:00 -
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mynnna wrote:So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it. "United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing.
Wow...apparently for a CSM you do have... limited knowledge about EVE.
So the 4 entities don't have a war with the entire goonblob for the fine price of the initially invested 50 mil now?
yeah...
Oh well I bet it's all over now, well done!
D.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2505
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:33:00 -
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Danalee wrote:mynnna wrote:So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it. "United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing. Wow...apparently for a CSM you do have... limited knowledge about EVE. Because the prerequisite of a CSM members is to know every detail of EVE inside and out right?
Wrong. Most CSMs have experience in given areas that they focus on. Expecting them to know every documented and undocumented feature would be ridiculous.
Back to your bridge.
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