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MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1709	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:00:00 - [301] - Quote Andy Koraka wrote: So unless I'm one of the 4 triage carriers in a full subcap fleet (or I'm suicide Triage to save some Supercaps) my Archon has no reason to ever enter combat again. I understand the reasons behind breaking drone assist, but there needs to be a replacement mechanic. Maybe some changes to Fighters to make them actually useful would keep Carriers relevant. not going to happen. ccp likes sub caps. because goons like sub caps. honestly when was the last time a capital ship was boosted? I think since 06 when i started to play there has been nothing but rebalance nerfs to them... only boost would be to dreads with tech II siege mod and reduced to 5 min instead of 10. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
1Of9 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 140	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:02:00 - [302] - Quote Seems a bit odd to me that when ccp talks about "community" is usually referring to goons. That Mitanus idiot that have high connections in CCP really knows how to use them. anyway, CCP: Can you kindly just grow some balls and remove caps from the game? We vets that actually been paying for this goon fest game would like to spend our time doing something useful besides skilling for stuff that goons want nerfed all the time. Or at least consider bringing AoE DD again, because honestly, you just removed the only counter in game against the blob (goons). With this change, they are invincible, there is no weapon to defeat them. Quote: [14:48:37] directorbot: Drone assist is being limited to 50 drones per person. You may now spend the rest of the day posting like maniacs while trolling our various defeated foes. Enjoy yourselves, you've earned it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319278 Yes, this means we'll have to toss Dominixes into the dustbin and return to using some real goddamned warships once this hits. :toot: * This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2014-02-06 14:48:34.730289 EVE, replies are not monitored * This make it pretty obvious that mitanus was involved, ccp caved in again. CCP Rise wrote: We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy. I just wanted to quote this because, CCP dont even realize that this is a S A N D B O X game, everyone should be able to do whatever they want. If i want to spend days in a row docked, fine. If i want to spend weeks auto piloting back and forth, fine. If i want to gate camp for hours without anyone coming thru, fine. If i want to be in a fleet doing nothing but repping and assigning drones ... i cant. yay
scimichar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:02:00 - [303] - Quote Make drone assist work like fighters currently work. Fixed.
The Djego Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition 237	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:03:00 - [304] - Quote Since you already tweak the mechanics, would it be possible to add a extra check option to set assisted drones to passive and add a extra key that you can use instead having the assisted drones follow your guns/ew? Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 737	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:04:00 - [305] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: Seems a bit odd to me that when ccp talks about "community" is usually referring to goons. That Mitanus idiot that have high connections in CCP really knows how to use them. anyway, CCP: Can you kindly just grow some balls and remove caps from the game? We vets that actually been paying for this goon fest game would like to spend our time doing something useful besides skilling for stuff that goons want nerfed all the time. Or at least consider bringing AoE DD again, because honestly, you just removed the only counter in game against the blob (goons). With this change, they are invincible, there is no weapon to defeat them. Quote: [14:48:37] directorbot: Drone assist is being limited to 50 drones per person. You may now spend the rest of the day posting like maniacs while trolling our various defeated foes. Enjoy yourselves, you've earned it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319278 Yes, this means we'll have to toss Dominixes into the dustbin and return to using some real goddamned warships once this hits. :toot: * This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2014-02-06 14:48:34.730289 EVE, replies are not monitored * This make it pretty obvious that mitanus was involved, ccp caved in again. CCP Rise wrote: We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy. I just wanted to quote this because, CCP dont even realize that this is a S A N D B O X game, everyone should be able to do whatever they want. If i want to spend days in a row docked, fine. If i want to spend weeks auto piloting back and forth, fine. If i want to gate camp for hours without anyone coming thru, fine. If i want to be in a fleet doing nothing but repping and assigning drones ... i cant. yay another delicious bit added to eve-o.txt Follow me on twitter
Darius JOHNSON GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 315	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:07:00 - [306] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: CCP Rise wrote: We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy. I just wanted to quote this because, CCP dont even realize that this is a S A N D B O X game, everyone should be able to do whatever they want. If i want to spend days in a row docked, fine. If i want to spend weeks auto piloting back and forth, fine. If i want to gate camp for hours without anyone coming thru, fine. If i want to be in a fleet doing nothing but repping and assigning drones ... i cant. yay I just wanted to quote this to save it for posterity because it may be the dumbest post I've ever seen. Sandboxes have barriers. When you find something broken fixing it doesn't make it not a sandbox. If that were the case this game would be unplayable. If what you ignorantly said was true you would not be here making this post. You'd be off crying in some other game about how they made it so warriors can't one hit kill everyone anymore or some other dumb argument for how you should literally be able to to whatever completely broken activity you feel entitled to because I CAN DO WHAT I WANT DAD.
Edmark I GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:08:00 - [307] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: This make it pretty obvious that mitanus was involved, ccp caved in again If anything we should get a consultation salary for helping beta test and balance this game. Remote AOE Doomsday, AOE Doomsday, Tracking Titans, Technetium and Drone Assist were all dumb and bad mechanics that we said were dumb and bad and it takes a while but eventually everyone agrees that those things were dumb and bad except the ones who profited and abused them the most.
Mister Vee Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation 97	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:08:00 - [308] - Quote Heh, justice of sorts. Why did it take this ******* long and why would you not remove it entirely? With 50 assisted drones, ishtars are still going to destroy small/medium gangs of every flavor
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 638	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:10:00 - [309] - Quote Edmark I wrote: 1Of9 wrote: This make it pretty obvious that mitanus was involved, ccp caved in again If anything we should get a consultation salary for helping beta test and balance this game. Remote AOE Doomsday, AOE Doomsday, Tracking Titans, Technetium and Drone Assist were all dumb and bad mechanics that we said were dumb and bad and it takes a while but eventually everyone agrees that those things were dumb and bad except the ones who profited and abused them the most. well this barely makes a dent in the drone assist mechanic Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 147	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:10:00 - [310] - Quote 50 is IMO too low, 100-150 i can see working. Or just alter it so sentry drones cannot be set to assist but then you would likely need to look at the whole of the drone coding.

Desert Ice78 Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us 338	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:10:00 - [311] - Quote Quote: [14:48:37] directorbot: Drone assist is being limited to 50 drones per person. You may now spend the rest of the day posting like maniacs while trolling our various defeated foes. Enjoy yourselves, you've earned it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319278 Yes, this means we'll have to toss Dominixes into the dustbin and return to using some real goddamned warships once this hits. :toot: * This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2014-02-06 14:48:34.730289 EVE, replies are not monitored * I'll just keep quoting this for the truth for Foozie and Rise, because I wouldn't want them to miss out on their deserved share of the smugness. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Darius JOHNSON GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 315	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:11:00 - [312] - Quote Mister Vee wrote: Heh, justice of sorts. Why did it take this ******* long and why would you not remove it entirely? With 50 assisted drones, ishtars are still going to destroy small/medium gangs of every flavor Who cares we just blob eh? EH?!?!?!?!
1Of9 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 142	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:11:00 - [313] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: another delicious bit added to eve-o.txt At least i have balls and post with my main vOv enjoy the "bit"
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6357	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:12:00 - [314] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Andy Koraka wrote: So unless I'm one of the 4 triage carriers in a full subcap fleet (or I'm suicide Triage to save some Supercaps) my Archon has no reason to ever enter combat again. I understand the reasons behind breaking drone assist, but there needs to be a replacement mechanic. Maybe some changes to Fighters to make them actually useful would keep Carriers relevant. not going to happen. ccp likes sub caps. because goons like sub caps. honestly when was the last time a capital ship was boosted? I think since 06 when i started to play there has been nothing but rebalance nerfs to them... only boost would be to dreads with tech II siege mod and reduced to 5 min instead of 10. capships and supercaps are in line for tiercide, i think there's pretty widespread agreement the whole group needs to be looked at as a whole Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division: "We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
Shinnyo ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 3	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:14:00 - [315] - Quote I ain't even mad. Another good thing that hasn't really been mentioned is that this effectively removes the "perfect alpha" problem that people have been complaining about.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1709	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:14:00 - [316] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: Seems a bit odd to me that when ccp talks about "community" is usually referring to goons. That Mitanus idiot that have high connections in CCP really knows how to use them. anyway, CCP: Can you kindly just grow some balls and remove caps from the game? We vets that actually been paying for this goon fest game would like to spend our time doing something useful besides skilling for stuff that goons want nerfed all the time. Or at least consider bringing AoE DD again, because honestly, you just removed the only counter in game against the blob (goons). With this change, they are invincible, there is no weapon to defeat them. Quote: [14:48:37] directorbot: Drone assist is being limited to 50 drones per person. You may now spend the rest of the day posting like maniacs while trolling our various defeated foes. Enjoy yourselves, you've earned it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319278 Yes, this means we'll have to toss Dominixes into the dustbin and return to using some real goddamned warships once this hits. :toot: * This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2014-02-06 14:48:34.730289 EVE, replies are not monitored * This make it pretty obvious that mitanus was involved, ccp caved in again. CCP Rise wrote: We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy. I just wanted to quote this because, CCP dont even realize that this is a S A N D B O X game, everyone should be able to do whatever they want. If i want to spend days in a row docked, fine. If i want to spend weeks auto piloting back and forth, fine. If i want to gate camp for hours without anyone coming thru, fine. If i want to be in a fleet doing nothing but repping and assigning drones ... i cant. yay dont worry now that drone assist is gone you can go back to alpha fleets... as those are real ships apparently. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Rectar Kinir The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:14:00 - [317] - Quote Maximum Bandwith for assisted drones should equal the bandwidth of the current ship * 10, or another factor. Makes the whole calculation a bit more complex, but adds the requirement that only ships that already have the drone systems can be drone bunnies.
LOL Kashada Silent's Serenity Sum of All Evils 0	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:15:00 - [318] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: CCP: Can you kindly just grow some balls and remove caps from the game? Typical PL grunt, sure now you lost most of your super/titan superiority you want to nerf/remove them from the game ahah hypocrite, you are happy to abuse those mechanics and call us out for doing the same but now the tables turned you want out.
Darius JOHNSON GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 315	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:15:00 - [319] - Quote 1Of9 wrote: HVAC Repairman wrote: another delicious bit added to eve-o.txt At least i have balls and post with my main vOv enjoy the "bit" Tell PL to give you mercenary roleplayers some posting lessons please. It never took any "balls" for anyone ever to post on the internet as a fake mercenary corporation in a spaceship game that was never actually paid to do anything.
Walker Ahashion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:17:00 - [320] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Why 50? That still seems too much. This is certainly the most common concern we ran into. As I said above, we think it's low enough. We didn't want to go lower because of the potential impact on other uses for assist, but if this doesn't work we will consider going lower at that point. Tell you what mate, I'm not buying this as an enhancement, not swallowing any of the CSM posts on here either. This was done for the Martini. Look at what the PL guy posted a few posts back up about it. Nothing will be said or done of course, think we all know how eve really works, but I feel better for this small rant.

MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1709	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:19:00 - [321] - Quote Weaselior wrote: capships and supercaps are in line for tiercide, i think there's pretty widespread agreement the whole group needs to be looked at as a whole dreads are more then fine. fighters are crap which is why drone assist was key... Personally I would have prefered they keep drone assist and just remove drones from carriers and then fix fighters. as for super carriers... half the build cost remove the e-war ability and let them dock... as for titans? Just remove them from game or turn them into semi anchorable outposts. make them a very large deployable structure. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 639	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:19:00 - [322] - Quote N3, PL and Dinsdale tears? It's like Christmas came early in 2014. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
zoichh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:20:00 - [323] - Quote Yay! Finaly!
dudley Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:20:00 - [324] - Quote Stick Eve up your arse!! CCP= mittens pupets o/
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 505	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:20:00 - [325] - Quote lowsec here. we still won't be able to use it, will we.
1Of9 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 143	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:22:00 - [326] - Quote LOL Kashada wrote: 1Of9 wrote: CCP: Can you kindly just grow some balls and remove caps from the game? Typical PL grunt, sure now you lost most of your super/titan superiority you want to nerf/remove them from the game ahah hypocrite, you are happy to abuse those mechanics and call us out for doing the same but now the tables turned you want out. I disagree with you. We still have titan superiority FYI. I dont actually want them out of game, but at the rate things go, may as well just skip the next nerfs and go strait home.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1709	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:22:00 - [327] - Quote Darius JOHNSON wrote: [quote=1Of9]Tell PL to give you mercenary roleplayers some posting lessons please. It never took any "balls" for anyone ever to post on the internet as a fake mercenary corporation in a spaceship game that was never actually paid to do anything. i was always under the impression that goons were against elite game play or in other terms using a brain. so would not drone assist which is common to ultra blobs be right up your alley? oh and thank g-d when you did work for ccp you were not even aloud to be close to the balancing team... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Miranda Shoota Gnampf Inc. 1	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:22:00 - [328] - Quote I was starting to really hate the Dominix. We can actually go and fly prettier ships again \o/
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6284	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:22:00 - [329] - Quote We all knew this was coming, but I just wanted to give thanks for the great OP, since it lays out clearly the thinking behind the change. This way it's easy to argue relevant points and offer constructive critique even if you don't 100% agree on the solution.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1709	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:23:00 - [330] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: lowsec here. we still won't be able to use it, will we. something something about complexity of crime watch There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request



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