never understood this perfect alpha garbage...

since when did drones not use the chance to hit formula?

I can't put a number on it, but currently Dominixes are responsible for somewhere in the ballpark of 5 times the PVP damage dealt of the next most popular fleet battleship, if that's still the case in a few months this will have 'not worked'.

too late :) but good others came to the same conclusion.

Your comment indicate you never left High or Low sec, because the sentry assist doesn't work there due to ~crimewatch~

wouldnt it make more sense to make the amount of asisted drones depend on the ship's bandwidth?.....i mean if i have a ship that has 125 bandwidth, and another that has more than that.....it doesnt matter if i send sentries or scout drones, the asisted ship will be capped at that amount and will only be able to control that maximum of drones.......

basically you're using your carrier or other ship to "share bandwidth" to the asisted player, but that bandwidth can only be equal to that of the asisted ship........this means that if a carrier asists another carrier, it could send all its drones for example, but if its an small frigate of 25 bandwitdh, you'll only be able to lend it 5 light drones........

i dont know what you guys think......

Three regions, at least, and that's assuming you don't fail cascade over getting your big shiny toys taken away. But lets not quibble, the important thing to remember is that N3 is terrible at EVE.

makes no sense since there are fleets who assist drones not only to droneships.

and yet still use single core processing...

its 2014 not 2003... eve code needs a complete re-write from scratch... it might take several years but should be a priority just like crimewatch rewrite was.

If you truly want to nerf drone usage, then look at what makes them overpowered. Omnidirectionals are going to become scripted, but that doesn't solve the problem either. What about having Omnidirectionals, Drone Damage Amps, and Drone Links STACK with one another so you can't get absurd tracking, damage, AND range simultaneously?

3 regions my ass. You took a few systems in Immensea and that was pretty much it. Feyth never counted.

we began by starting at complete removal of assist, and worked our way back up until we had caught all the use-cases for assist that we didn't want to impact negatively. That included [snip] and most importantly, incursioners.

Incursionsrunner here.

In a hq fleet we normally have vindi's as dronebunny
That said, its 1 vindi for DDD and the rest shoots whatever the need to shoot.

Some numbers:

HQ = 40 people - 10 logi= 30 dps- 1 DDD is 29 dps for the fleet, inportant number when contesting. Effectively using 145 drones for dps.


your idea:

HQ = 40 people-10 logi =30 dps - 3 dps for DDD = 27 dps for the fleet. Again efectively using 145 drones for dps


Imo this does change things alot.
The fc lost 2 dps for the fleet since they get a new role.
The inplementation in the fleet among 40 people is going to be a hassle to put it mildly.

Holy christ, every single time this happens, it's always the same pattern.

1. Bad players (BOB's remnants and decendants, usually) find an exploit that gives them supremacy.
2. The saner heads in the group point out it's an exploit or at the very least, overpowered
3. Bad posters and sockpuppets explain how it's totally not an exploit and that the CFC is just bad
4. The CFC either finds a way to defeat the exploit, or starts using it themselves to force CCP to fix it
5. CCP fixes it, usually about 6 months too late
6. 100 page threadnought with all kinds of buttmad sockpuppets, idiots missing the point of the change, people who have obviously never played the game in a PVP situation suggesting asinine mechnics changes to "spite" PVPers, morons who have never been to nullsec, et cetera et cetera.

Every. Single. Time.

But man, it's fun to watch all the buttmad pubbies and N3 sockpuppets in this thread crying. I especially liked the guy bitching that he can't PVP while in another room watching a movie now, that was great. :)

One thing that I thought would be a bit more "realistic" is that the type of drone you field, can be assisted to a specific type of ship.

Say light/Medium drones - Up to cruisers. Sentrys Heavys - Battlecruiser (or maybe battleship) and to titans.

In my opinion it would be a bit more logical, as a frigate shouldn't have the cabability to put out the needed instructions for something of almost the same size...

Or something like that, myabe

Goon finally calling people Pubbies

/thread

Resetting the goalposts while you're backpedaling so fast must be awkward.

Since it would seem you don't want to hinder Vanguard incursion fleets I would suggest bringing the number up to 60. It is pretty standard to fly 11-12 man fleets so that as pilots rotate in and out the number of pilots in fleet doesn't drop below 10. We find that the small ISK penalty for flying 1 or 2 over is offset by the time improvements of having that extra dps and by not running sub-optimally when a couple pilots need to leave.

Vanguards Standard: 12 pilots
Please consider 60 drones as the assist cap

Hello, some news:

[b]Coming soon, in a Rubicon point release, we are planning to add a hard cap to the number of drones that can be assisted to a single player. Currently, we are planning to set that cap at 50.

*SNIP*

Why 50?
and most importantly, incursioners. We believe 50 will leave all these uses unharmed while also heavily discouraging large fleet use. If it turns out that fleets are still able to rely on assist easily at 50 (which we feel is unlikely) we can and will make further adjustments.



As always, leave your feedback and we will do our best to answer any questions.

Holy christ, every single time this happens, it's always the same pattern.

1. Bad players (BOB's remnants and decendants, usually) find an exploit that gives them supremacy.
2. The saner heads in the group point out it's an exploit or at the very least, overpowered
3. Bad posters and sockpuppets explain how it's totally not an exploit and that the CFC is just bad
4. The CFC either finds a way to defeat the exploit, or starts using it themselves to force CCP to fix it
5. CCP fixes it, usually about 6 months too late
6. 100 page threadnought with all kinds of buttmad sockpuppets, idiots missing the point of the change, people who have obviously never played the game in a PVP situation suggesting asinine mechnics changes to "spite" PVPers, morons who have never been to nullsec, et cetera et cetera.

Every. Single. Time.

But man, it's fun to watch all the buttmad pubbies and N3 sockpuppets in this thread crying. I especially liked the guy bitching that he can't PVP while in another room watching a movie now, that was great. :)

One thing that I thought would be a bit more "realistic" is that the type of drone you field, can be assisted to a specific type of ship.

Say light/Medium drones - Up to cruisers. Sentrys Heavys - Battlecruiser (or maybe battleship) and to titans.

In my opinion it would be a bit more logical, as a frigate shouldn't have the cabability to put out the needed instructions for something of almost the same size...

Or something like that, myabe

Yes. This a limitation in Python and I agree, it's about time CCP started using a big boy language.

What's really fun to watch is you accusing others of being "buttmad sockpuppets" when you are clearly the most obvious example of one. Congrats to you Goons, your tears have once again eliminated the need for you to change your tactics to something that requires even the smallest amount of intelligence.