were you a solo miner?

I am. I have had several bad experiances joining player corps who promised I would only mine. EVERY SINGLE ONE expected me to jump in a warship and participate in a declared war less than twenty-four hours after I joined. This is AFTER I told them I WOULD NOT PvP.

I am not a Pvp player and I am a solo player. I will stay mining in High sec until I can turn the tables on gankers while pretending to be a solo miner.

My outlook is NOT as rare as you or CCP seem to think it is.

I am aware CCP wants this to be a 'team game' with the corps being the teams

which is why EACH of them were paid off before they were ganked.

Macks and retreivers are more productive.

Theres this idea called "trade-offs". You can't have it all in any one ship. and if you are getting ganked that often it might increase your productivity to switch to a procurer since you will have to pay for less losses.

yes i was for quite a while, then i eventually gathered myself a few alts to increase my production.

even during my solo times, even if i couldn't fly whatever the doctrine was or i didnt have the ship on hand i would find some way to participate (every fleet can use some cheap tackle or ewar frigs). No one is going to blame you if you do what you can.

You don't want to help defend or fight for the space you are using? then you don't belong there. You could always find a quiet system in NPC null and try there, theres even a new prospect coming out which will make this trivially easy.

Worst case scenario go join provi block. You don't even have to be in one of the corps to use their space last I checked (i used to have my alts there).

you see, theres your problem. You want to be able to tank gankers with a mackinaw. I pointed to the skiff/procurer earlier, but I guess you forgot.Skiff/proc have excellent tank and now even better dps to fend off angry things. You are flying the wrong ship if survivability is your problem.

I have mined in null with skiffs for over a year now and only lost to 1/3 attacks by hostiles.in one situation I killed the attacker. in the other I lasted long enough for help to arrive and scare him off.

The tanked Hulk fit you posted previously currently has a yield of 1367 m3 / min., while a max. yield Mackinaw hauls in 1718 m3 / min. with little compromise in tank, it costs less and has a much larger ore bay. The Hulk yield buff coming in Kronos won't change this.

A Hulk needs to be fitted for max. yield, or it is pointless to fly one. Saying differently just demonstrates a lack of experience with the subject matter.

PS: Many gankers has started to fit ECCM in their otherwise mostly empty mid slots, something which makes ECM drones even more ineffective.

Disappointing, about covers this patch as far as the Hulk is concerned, still the paltry ore bay which means Null Sec op's are out with Hulks unless you employ haulers, wasted accounts, wasted time, no matching increase in yields to cover this increased overhead, very Disappointing indeed.

A nice change for the HULK would be to make the ore hold at least large enough to hold two cycles of the strip miners at max Orca or Rorqual boosts. Currently it will not, so ore must be transferred every 2 minutes or less to keep the hold from filling up.

Thanks

A nice change for the HULK would be to make the ore hold at least large enough to hold two cycles of the strip miners at max Orca or Rorqual boosts. Currently it will not, so ore must be transferred every 2 minutes or less to keep the hold from filling up.

Thanks

Warp Range

Completely unrelated to mining yield or tank, there's another change to the mining barges/exhumers.
The warpCapacitorNeed Attribute (invisible in the client) got changed to be equal to that of procurer/skiff.

A comparison table (created by Ing Harm) shows the impact of this change

"alle Berechnungen ohne Skills oder Imps" = "values without skills or implants"

While I'm pretty sure that a change was intended (yet not communicated) I'm suprised by the amount of warp range reduction.
As a practical test I warped with a Retriever, starting with full capacitor (skills @ 5).

Distance of destination: 85,3 AU
First stop after 41,7 AU (43,6 AU remaining)
Second stop after 35,8 AU (7,8 AU remaining)

A nice change for the HULK would be to make the ore hold at least large enough to hold two cycles of the strip miners at max Orca or Rorqual boosts. Currently it will not, so ore must be transferred every 2 minutes or less to keep the hold from filling up.

Thanks

Hehe, you haven't mined yet. Cycle time is 71 sec, but at a reduced amount.

Basically all bonuses for amount were rolled into reduction of cycle time

So, the hulk can in fact hold 2 cycles of all 3 strip miners with T2 crystals

See, CCP has answered your prayers

Warp Range



While I'm pretty sure that a change was intended (yet not communicated) I'm suprised by the amount of warp range reduction.
As a practical test I warped with a Retriever, starting with full capacitor (skills @ 5).

Distance of destination: 85,3 AU
First stop after 41,7 AU (43,6 AU remaining)
Second stop after 35,8 AU (7,8 AU remaining)

Warp Range

Completely unrelated to mining yield or tank, there's another change to the mining barges/exhumers.
The warpCapacitorNeed Attribute (invisible in the client) got changed to be equal to that of procurer/skiff.

A comparison table (created by Ing Harm) shows the impact of this change

"alle Berechnungen ohne Skills oder Imps" = "values without skills or implants"

While I'm pretty sure that a change was intended (yet not communicated) I'm suprised by the amount of warp range reduction.
As a practical test I warped with a Retriever, starting with full capacitor (skills @ 5).

Distance of destination: 85,3 AU
First stop after 41,7 AU (43,6 AU remaining)
Second stop after 35,8 AU (7,8 AU remaining)

Warp Range

Completely unrelated to mining yield or tank, there's another change to the mining barges/exhumers.
The warpCapacitorNeed Attribute (invisible in the client) got changed to be equal to that of procurer/skiff.

A comparison table (created by Ing Harm) shows the impact of this change

"alle Berechnungen ohne Skills oder Imps" = "values without skills or implants"

While I'm pretty sure that a change was intended (yet not communicated) I'm suprised by the amount of warp range reduction.
As a practical test I warped with a Retriever, starting with full capacitor (skills @ 5).

Distance of destination: 85,3 AU
First stop after 41,7 AU (43,6 AU remaining)
Second stop after 35,8 AU (7,8 AU remaining)

but I swear I read somewhere that ccp would inform the community of all changes being made.

if u think mining for nearly 4 years is a lack of experience then sure. cant wait to see this.

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this sucks big time! It takes forever to get anywhere now! Hate it!

It was a change that hit a bit harder than we intended. We're re-adjusting the warp capacitor usage of the barges and exhumers in a quick release either tomorrow or Thursday.

Maybe i got a different patch, but Hulks are beasts now

With Macks, you needed to have 12-14 Hulks to equal not hauling with Macks

Now, that has dropped to 5

Hulk is now 180,000m3/hr
Mack is 140,000m3/hr (Virtually unchanged)

so, if you have 5 hulks and a hauler, you get 900,000m3 per hour
if you have 6 Macks you get 840,000m3 per hour - minus hauling time

With the changes in DST and the ability to use freighters in null, one hauler can service a ton of miners

How again does this leave you dissapointed?

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