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Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 737	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:02:00 - [991] - Quote Endo Saissore wrote: The Cynabal really needs a new niche. Having a warp speed one class below is not worth the price tag. It should either have 150% warp speed increase or something else. What if it had a role bonus of reaching its top speed instantly? As soon as the prop mod is activated you are at top speed, or at least very close to it? nah more gimmicky nonsense .. it just needs to able to outclass the vagabond at what it does .. which is projecting damage and kiting. but atm the vaga is tougher and just as quick .. nerfing the vagas speed would help a little along with giving it stronger damage bonuses, falloff bonus and maybe giving it mwd bonus along with a lower sig than the vaga too help it take less damage at range when kiting .. allow the vaga too be the slower tankier brawler/ kiter.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3268	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:05:00 - [992] - Quote Endo Saissore wrote: The Cynabal really needs a new niche. Having a warp speed one class below is not worth the price tag. It should either have 150% warp speed increase or something else. The only other cruisers that can match this speed are the Tengu and Proteus, so it's actually not a bad niche when you consider that a single hyperspacial rig will put the Cynabal well ahead of even most frigates. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Endo Saissore Bananas Never Did Me Dirty 43	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:13:00 - [993] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Endo Saissore wrote: The Cynabal really needs a new niche. Having a warp speed one class below is not worth the price tag. It should either have 150% warp speed increase or something else. The only other cruisers that can match this speed are the Tengu and Proteus, so it's actually not a bad niche when you consider that a single hyperspacial rig will put the Cynabal well ahead of even most frigates. But once the fight starts the bonus is useless. My suggestion was just off the top of my head. But at least its a bonus that plays a role throughout the fight. I would prefer something along those lines.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3268	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:31:00 - [994] - Quote Endo Saissore wrote: But once the fight starts the bonus is useless. My suggestion was just off the top of my head. But at least its a bonus that plays a role throughout the fight. I would prefer something along those lines. It's a fair point. From a tactical standpoint, a faster warp speed also means a faster deceleration speed - which translates into a faster engage time. Whether this is enough to offset all the other -¦ tweaks remains to be seen. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Swiftstrike1 Swiftstrike Incorporated 569	Posted - 2014.04.12 19:03:00 - [995] - Quote At the risk of beating a dead horse... Concerning the Cynabal: 15% reduction per level to the heat generated by overloading afterburners and microwarpdrives? Maybe? Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3269	Posted - 2014.04.12 19:08:00 - [996] - Quote Swiftstrike1 wrote: At the risk of beating a dead horse... Concerning the Cynabal: 15% reduction per level to the heat generated by overloading afterburners and microwarpdrives? Maybe? I think once you start playing with heat it becomes a really slippery slope... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 737	Posted - 2014.04.12 19:18:00 - [997] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Swiftstrike1 wrote: At the risk of beating a dead horse... Concerning the Cynabal: 15% reduction per level to the heat generated by overloading afterburners and microwarpdrives? Maybe? I think once you start playing with heat it becomes a really slippery slope... plus its a T3 thing Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 622	Posted - 2014.04.12 19:37:00 - [998] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: TrouserDeagle wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: Apparently the plan is to just going to ignore all the outcry over the Gila and Guristas and push it through in leu of some ridiculous, uncompromising vision on the part of some ******* who doesn't understand the game and is ignorant all the people he is shitting on. The only people who think these changes to Guristas are interesting or exciting are the people who aren't going to be flying them. if all goes as planned, they'll listen to your outcry, then decide that it's stupid and disregard it. your complaints are meant to actually be valid if they're to have an effect. tell me why i'm wrong instead of just making stupid, baseless statements. you are like a child getting angry because you don't have the mental capacity to form a proper argument. Pathetic. that's you m8
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 301	Posted - 2014.04.12 19:50:00 - [999] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: If this is for real, that is disgusting. We spend 3 years maxing out skills to play a ship how we want to play it and now you force us into an extremely niche playstyle that many Gila/Rattlesnake have no interest in? ** you, incompetent devs. Nobody gives a flying ** about you training for a hull that is now rebalanced. Adapt, choose another hull or get out.
Catherine Laartii Knights of Xibalba 146	Posted - 2014.04.12 20:07:00 - [1000] - Quote tbh they should have just pushed the missile bonuses as omni dmg for all of them, kept the same normal drones for both of them, but nerfed the gila's drone space and bandwidth to only 4 heavies, and 300 something drone space so as not to step on the rattler's toes too much.

FT Diomedes The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 360	Posted - 2014.04.12 20:21:00 - [1001] - Quote As someone who lives in Tenal, I am hoping that these changes to the Gila and Rattlesnake make them popular choices for a variety of play styles, but I cannot help thinking that the debs would have been well-advised to give Guristas ships some bonuses to E-War. Maybe open the bonus to include bonuses to E-War drones? That would give them something truly unique that did not pigeon hole them into a very limited fit/role. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 1996	Posted - 2014.04.12 22:02:00 - [1002] - Quote Your concerns about ECM drones were, in fact, addressed by Rise in the Frigate thread. [quote="CCP Rise"]Why not ewar drone bonus for Guristas? - ewar drones are kind of a mess currently and we don't want to explicitly commit ships to being bonused for them until we solve that. [/quote}
Xavier Thorm Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 117	Posted - 2014.04.12 23:17:00 - [1003] - Quote Also chiming in to voice my dislike of the changes to the Gila (and the worm, but honestly it was so bad before that I don't really care as much). I would prefer to still be able to use the Gila as a sentry boat, but my greater concern is that drone-size-specific bonuses are very limiting and boring. Coupled with the huge reduction in drone bay size, I think these changes will make the Gila too much of a niche ship, and I shudder to think what the same kind of changes will do to the Rattlesnake. P.S. Also, can we get a less horrendously ugly model for the Gila already?
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2004	Posted - 2014.04.12 23:31:00 - [1004] - Quote The drone bay is being pretty significantly reduced, but you're also using considerably fewer drones at one time.
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 622	Posted - 2014.04.12 23:51:00 - [1005] - Quote Xavier Thorm wrote: Also, can we get a less horrendously ugly model for the Gila already? get out
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 00:28:00 - [1006] - Quote Xavier Thorm wrote: Also, can we get a less horrendously ugly model for the Gila already? It's a feature with Caldari ships. What about switching it to something like the Osprey instead? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2006	Posted - 2014.04.13 00:29:00 - [1007] - Quote Better change the Gila to have a Drake hull.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 00:34:00 - [1008] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Better change the Gila to have a Drake hull. That's pricelessGÇª I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 2053	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:26:00 - [1009] - Quote Xavier Thorm wrote: P.S. Also, can we get a less horrendously ugly model for the Gila already? The Gila is a glorious glorious beast, leave it alone you bastard >=[ BYDI recruitment closed-ish
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:27:00 - [1010] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: The Gila is a glorious glorious beast, leave it alone you bastard >=[ This must be one of those "beauty in the eye of the beholder" things... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 2053	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:46:00 - [1011] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Garviel Tarrant wrote: The Gila is a glorious glorious beast, leave it alone you bastard >=[ This must be one of those "beauty in the eye of the beholder" things... You simply cannot go on a proper roam in the moa hull without getting an appreciation for all its charms.. It has light teeth! And a suitcase! Its wonderful! BYDI recruitment closed-ish
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:46:00 - [1012] - Quote CCP Rise, please pimp my Mach next week... GÇó Drop one turret and turn it into a six-gun (looks better) GÇó Remove one high slot and extend an additional mid slot instead GÇó 37.5% rate of fire role bonus to offset the turret loss I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 739	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:52:00 - [1013] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: CCP Rise, please pimp my Mach next week... GÇó Drop one turret and turn it into a six-gun (looks better) GÇó Remove one high slot and extend an additional mid slot instead GÇó 37.5% rate of fire role bonus to offset the turret loss and here is me thinking the only battleship you fly is 18bil pimped CNR's.. 8-6-6 should be mach layout 7 turrets is fine allows a neut Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:55:00 - [1014] - Quote Harvey James wrote: 8-6-6 should be mach layout 7 turrets is fine allows a neut It would be a 7-6-7 layout instead, so you'd still have the utility high for a neut. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2006	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:09:00 - [1015] - Quote Either give the mach 8 turrets or drop it to 6 turrets and boost their output. Yes, I'm totally serious. No, this isn't the right thread for this.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:43:00 - [1016] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Either give the mach 8 turrets or drop it to 6 turrets and boost their output. Yes, I'm totally serious. Yes, I believe that's what I suggested... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Amari Jackson Zacharia Explorations Group Black Crescent Inc. 4	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:49:00 - [1017] - Quote I gotta throw my hat in the ring regarding the Gila changes. Initially I was pleased, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought to myself, "sheesh - this kinda pigeon-holes the Gila into one role: wham-o blam-o (technical terms, that wham blam). 'Cause sometimes we'd like to field a full flight of light logi-drones or e-war (which, I guess just means save-my-butt hornet ec-300s). But as it is, a "lowly" tristan can field more logi drones than the Gila. And so can the Algos. And the Omen. Etc. Etc. Etc. a little more bandwidth to field a flight of lights would be nice. or a bonus for medium logis...or...something! So it ain't so BORING! my 2 cents. -Amari
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:56:00 - [1018] - Quote Amari Jackson wrote: Initially I was pleased, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought to myself, "sheesh - this kinda pigeon-holes the Gila into one role: wham-o blam-o (technical terms, that wham blam). 'Cause sometimes we'd like to field a full flight of light logi-drones or e-war (which, I guess just means save-my-butt hornet ec-300s). But as it is, a "lowly" tristan can field more logi drones than the Gila. And so can the Algos. And the Omen. Etc. Etc. Etc. Rapid launchers should be a a good pairing with since they just got a +50% kinetic and thermal damage boost. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 437	Posted - 2014.04.13 03:27:00 - [1019] - Quote so am I right to think dramiela and mach will be getting warp speed boost as well?
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3270	Posted - 2014.04.13 03:31:00 - [1020] - Quote Rowells wrote: so am I right to think dramiela and mach will be getting warp speed boost as well? Yes, that's my understanding. 7.5 AU/s on the Dramiel and 3.0 AU/s for the Machariel (although the exact numbers haven't been posted). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.



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