So the Cynabal is basically a Vagabond that gains the ability to get on grid quickly while losing the ability to do anything useful on grid. Sweeeeeeeeeeet

Rise, dawg, I love what you've done with most of the pirate faction stuff. Really. But man you've gotta figure out a unique role for the non-Machariel Angel ships that sets them apart from their Minmatar counterparts. "Warping quickly" isn't a role,

Awesome bonus for the rattlesnake drones. Bonus for missiles? What's the point?

on the whole, I rate all changes as comprehensible except the vigilant nerf.

it is now the first ship with too little powergrid in order to fit the other version of the appropriate weaponsystem.

let-¦s do some math:

ashimmu and vigilant both have 5H,4M,6L
ashimmu have 16,2% more PG than the vigilant

max. fittable PG for the H-slots:
Ashimmu: 3x heavy beam laser II + 2x medium nos/neut 3x 248 + 2x 200 = 1144
Vigiant: 5x 250mm railgun II 5x 208 = 1040

ashimmu only needs 10% more PG than Vigilant
if you take Meta 4 nos/neut with no negativ effect the ashimmu needs only 4% more PG

in other words ... the ashimmu have min.12,2% more PG to fit for tank
but already have 18% more base armor HP than the vigilant

CCP Rise please explain that to me !!!

Like I have said multiple times.

The Vigilant which is already a an expensive ship to fit properly is also very rarely flown. All they are doing it making it less worth while to fly. So it will be less seen then it already is.

CCP Rise has not responded and I doubt they will reserve it. So much for so called balancing.

So the Cynabal is basically a Vagabond that gains the ability to get on grid quickly while losing the ability to do anything useful on grid. Sweeeeeeeeeeet

Rise, dawg, I love what you've done with most of the pirate faction stuff. Really. But man you've gotta figure out a unique role for the non-Machariel Angel ships that sets them apart from their Minmatar counterparts. "Warping quickly" isn't a role, especially not when once they warp somewhere they basically just provide moderate DPS. The Mach gets a pass because it's the only battleship that can sort of kite and keep up with cruisers, and even then its role as fast battleship-sized DPS has been somewhat superseded by tier 3 BCs.

Serp ships are the only ones with 90% webs, Blood ships are the only ones with pre-nerf nosferatus, Sansha ships are the only non-T3s with AB bonuses, the Gurista ships aren't all that unique but drones are so broken at the moment it doesn't really matter. The Cynabal needs something to set it apart from the zillion other cruiser-sized kiting ships. A point range bonus, MWD cap use bonus, some sort of ewar/tackle resistance, anything. Hell at this point I'd be satisfied with a TP bonus. Just something to make it more than a Vagabond that's better in some ways and worse in a whole lot more.

I think you're seriously overestimating how useful all the Angel ships are seen by PVPers in 2014. Even the Machariel collects dust in this age of 2km/s cruisers, MWD-sig-reduced HACs, and ubiquitous interceptors.

this

so literally how about a response to the gila

web one medium drone and kite it, half the dps of it is gone?

so literally how about a response to the gila

web one medium drone and kite it, half the dps of it is gone?

Whats so wrong with having the Ewar on your drones instead of yourself? All drones in bay will most likely have more HP than the ship.

Edit: Did some quick math.

Shield: 1005 = Eff HP: 1436
Armor: 2160 = Eff Hp: 3323
Structure: 5325

Total Eff Hp: 10084

You can fit 10 medium drones in the bay so,

10084 x 10 = 100840 Effective hp inside your drone bay if you carry only Hammerheads

Edit 2: Augmented hammers are pretty cheap and they have numbers that will scare you.

pointless information is pointless. has nothing to do with my question.

The more Ewar is off your back the better. And the drones can take it with ease.

And No response from CCP yet?

Vigilant. The -150 PG Nerf.

The ship is already rarely used ship don't make it used even less CCP.

And No response from CCP yet?

The Gila will still have plenty of PVE application and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find examples of lost capability for the rest of these ships resulting from the proposed changes.

Since there is no response from CCP yet, anyone else taking up the task, and explaining to me

what exactly these PVE applications are, that I shouldn't rather do in an Ishtar (or another ship), save for maybe when I'm facing Angel rats? (And even then, shield Ishtar with the new low-slot omnis sounds intriguing.)

One small change needed to the way light drones are handled on this ship and you have a worldbeater.

Which is the exact reason why you will not - and should not - see that change happen.

If this works as I believe it can, we will see Ishtar and Stratios pilots looking at the ship with envy.
One small change needed to the way light drones are handled on this ship and you have a worldbeater.

I should make a post in the battleship thread stating that the Rattlesnake is a lot better than what I've expected with dread.

A "worldbeater" is bad and wrong. A ship that can handle anything you throw at it is bad and wrong. Having no significant drawbacks to go along with benefits is bad and wrong. If you have even a tiny bit of balancing sense, you should already understand this without having to be told.

The Guristas ships are gaining a significant strength. This strength requires a proportional weakness. For the Gila, that weakness includes four unbonused light drones.

Whats so wrong with having the Ewar on your drones instead of yourself? All drones in bay will most likely have more HP than the ship.

Edit: Did some quick math.

Shield: 1005 = Eff HP: 1436
Armor: 2160 = Eff Hp: 3323
Structure: 5325

Total Eff Hp: 10084

You can fit 10 medium drones in the bay so,

10084 x 10 = 100840 Effective hp inside your drone bay if you carry only Hammerheads

Edit 2: Augmented hammers are pretty cheap and they have numbers that will scare you.

The ashimmu can get its old school neuts, it also should lose a high and a mid for 2 extra lows and a armour resistance bonus. Making it a tanky neut (nos) ship that shines in small scale hac fleets. (no idea what to do with the cruor)