I like how people are praising the Machariel "buff" when really it's just being put back to where it was before the warp speed changes, minus 25 scan res and some agility.

Well, yes. What I am trying to explain is that you do not use the RS as a domi now. Its a full fledged missile/drone ship now. Just focusing on the drones will actually hurt you.

I'm not really onboard with the rattlesnake gallente BS bonus.

This has been explained ad infinitumGǪ let it go.

Eh...... yes and no. A "real" missile ship can one-shot NPC T1 cruisers in level 4s (i.e. kill a cruiser every 8 seconds.)

With only 7.5 effective launchers, no applied missile damage hull bonus, relatively low missile speed (i.e. DPS loss,) kin/therm dmg bonus, and 93km targeting range, it's still a 2nd or even 3rd tier missile ship. The drones would be there to finish off NPCs so you don't waste missile DPS. And the darn thing can't even properly take advantage of the MJD due to the 80km drone control limit from only having one free high slot.

So, aside being being easier to shield tank, I'm not really seeing the justification for using the RS over the cheaper TFI (or even Typhoon) in level 4s, especially when the summer expansion brings low slot omnis.

Meh. =/

I'm not really onboard with the rattlesnake gallente BS bonus.

It doesn't feel gallente enough. it would be cooler that it be a drone bonus instead of missile. Then you can leave the missile bonus as the special freebie.

That way you don't make it one of the most accessible droneboats in the game for free.

I've read it. I am expressing my concern to influence change. Learn to community.

this is the snake I would like to see:

U can't really give one more low to NM without giving another mid to the Mach ,sounds too unfair .In your current version machariel will simply stay out of the field for incursions ...so u should really think about it as it is not an increase in dps but a nice spot for a tc who will greatly help to stay in the competition.
And yes turret simmetry is something i care about :)

I like how people are praising the Machariel "buff" when really it's just being put back to where it was before the warp speed changes, minus 25 scan res and some agility.

Can we get something unique from the Angel ships pls, instead of them just being upgrades/sidegrades/downgrades of existing Minmatar ships

Evolve or die.

Yes, we'd all like another second role bonus for our Pirate battleshipsGǪ

Rattlesnake tears are priceless...

BHAALGORN
Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Large Energy Turret Damage
note: Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level

MACHARIEL
Role Bonus:
25% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
note: This ship has increased warp speed and warp acceleration

CCP Rise :

Can you address how the AB speed bonus works on the NM Hull ? As in, are we looking at a Core X NM doing over 1000m/s, ~150m/s faster than a MWD ? Or am I calculating this wrong ?

Don't get me wrong, if my AB NM goes faster than my current MWD NM, I'm not gonna cry lol.. Just seems a little odd. (and I couldn't be bothered scanning the whole of the frig/cruiser threads to see if it was addressed there..)

Eh...... yes and no. A "real" missile ship can one-shot NPC T1 cruisers in level 4s (i.e. kill a cruiser every 8 seconds.)

With only 7.5 effective launchers, no applied missile damage hull bonus, relatively low missile speed (i.e. DPS loss,) kin/therm dmg bonus, and 93km targeting range, it's still a 2nd or even 3rd tier missile ship. The drones would be there to finish off NPCs so you don't waste missile DPS. And the darn thing can't even properly take advantage of the MJD due to the 80km drone control limit from only having one free high slot.

So, aside being being easier to shield tank, I'm not really seeing the justification for using the RS over the cheaper TFI (or even Typhoon) in level 4s, especially when the summer expansion brings low slot omnis.

Meh. =/

Yes, we'd all like another second role bonus for our Pirate battleshipsGǪ

Just sayin, Nestor has 5

Eh...... yes and no. A "real" missile ship can one-shot NPC T1 cruisers in level 4s (i.e. kill a cruiser every 8 seconds.)

With only 7.5 effective launchers, no applied missile damage hull bonus, relatively low missile speed (i.e. DPS loss,) kin/therm dmg bonus, and 93km targeting range, it's still a 2nd or even 3rd tier missile ship. The drones would be there to finish off NPCs so you don't waste missile DPS. And the darn thing can't even properly take advantage of the MJD due to the 80km drone control limit from only having one free high slot.

So, aside being being easier to shield tank, I'm not really seeing the justification for using the RS over the cheaper TFI (or even Typhoon) in level 4s, especially when the summer expansion brings low slot omnis.

Meh. =/