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Priestess Lin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:34:00 -
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I have to admit it is pretty amusing watching baltec1 and kaaroofus do all these heavy mental gymnastics, desperately trying to claim the new Rattleship is "amazing" despite all evidence pointing to the contrary and without one shred of evidence to support them. A dps increase to thermic and kinetic only at the cost of having an extreme vulnerability to fast moving ships, loss of missile velocity bonus and drone bay reduction from 400 to 175 clearly does not make a ship amazing. It makes it less versatile and desirable, and the market data backs that fact up.
The market price continues to drop like a rock since the speculation bubble burst and even more since Kronos. People are trying to get rid of them as fast as they can as the price continues to drop. Nomatter how much baltec1 and kaaroofus jump up and down and repeatedly spam this thread with nonsensical notions, it is undeniable fact.
When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates:
baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine."
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6822
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:38:00 -
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Priestess Lin wrote: heavy mental gymnastics
Priestess Lin wrote:
Carriers have bonuses to fighters, which geckos are.
Quote: without one shred of evidence to support them.
Priestess Lin wrote:
Carriers have bonuses to fighters, which geckos are.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Nalarin
5
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:48:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Too much effort and unpleasantness of operation for too little gain.
If I could be bothered to overcome the obstacles with time and effort, i could get it to almost the same levels as for example my RNI or Dominix [...].
So basically, it is now a poorer choice for missioning and a better ship for gatecamping/wardecs/stationcamping.
It plays better with others. Not so hot solo.
Meh.
I'm quite interested in those fits, care to post them?
Let's say against Guristas rats.
I can imagine them being easier to use than the Rattlesnake, but finishing missions faster less so. |
Priestess Lin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Priestess Lin wrote: heavy mental gymnastics Priestess Lin wrote:
Carriers have bonuses to fighters, which geckos are.
Quote: without one shred of evidence to support them. Priestess Lin wrote:
Carriers have bonuses to fighters, which geckos are.
they are considered as fighters when used by carriers. In other words carriers get bonuses when using them.
Educate yourself before you wreck yourself, kid.
When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates:
baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine."
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049 |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
11834
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:58:00 -
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Priestess Lin wrote:
they are considered as fighters when used by carriers.
Show evidence of this.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6822
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Priestess Lin wrote:
they are considered as fighters when used by carriers.
Show evidence of this.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Priestess Lin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:16:00 -
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Sorry, kids.
Burden of proof is on you. Nobody else is claiming that heavy drones deal with fast frigates "fine" or that the RS is not supposed to be passive shield tanked.
Also, given the amount of posting you do on this forums. It seems pretty hard to take you two very seriously. I mean... who does that? Clearly there are some mental problems you are dealing with.
When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates:
baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine."
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049 |
Nalarin
5
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:16:00 -
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Priestess Lin wrote:A dps increase to thermic and kinetic only at the cost of having an extreme vulnerability to fast moving ships, loss of missile velocity bonus and drone bay reduction from 400 to 175 clearly does not make a ship amazing. It makes it less versatile and desirable, and the market data backs that fact up.
You ignore that the ship gained a launcher hardpoint. That's an outright damage buff.
You ignore that rats that are EM vulnerable still take more damage from bonused Thermal missiles than unbonused EM.
You ignore that fast moving targets at range are instapopped by Sentries. It can fit a LMJD to get that range.
You ignore that the new ship with dmg bonused Cruise does more damage at better range than velocity bonused Torps.
The only truth in your words is that a bay of 175 doesn't allow you to carry that many utility/secondary drones, but if you used to fit Gardes, Wardens and Ogres, you have just as much room as before (one flight of light drones).
And you use 3 alts, never post a fit that shows just how good your passive ship is.
Who can take you seriously after all that?
Post your fit, and maybe I shall make an attempt to do so.
Maybe. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6823
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:20:00 -
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Priestess Lin wrote: Nobody else is claiming that heavy drones deal with fast frigates "fine" or that the RS is not supposed to be passive shield tanked.
Those two things are true.
And we're not claiming that heavy drones are fighters.
Unlike you.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2199
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:21:00 -
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I won't even dress it up this time. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
11835
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:21:00 -
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Priestess Lin wrote:Sorry, kids. Burden of proof is on you. Nobody else is claiming that heavy drones deal with fast frigates "fine" or that the RS is not supposed to be passive shield tanked. Also, given the amount of posting you do on this forums for such an extended period of time, it seems very hard to take you two very seriously. I mean... who does that?  Clearly there are some mental problems you are dealing with. I will try not to laugh at you anymore, even when you make such hilariously backwards claims.
I'll take that as a no, you cant show any evidence for geckos being fighters. Reported for trolling and insults again.
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Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.06.07 18:07:00 -
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Dunno, personally i am still wrestling with idea of "comfortably killing" battleships with 550-650 dps torpedoes at close range while the drone bonus is wasted on 5 hobs chasing around frigates, something of a poor man's marauder, and why we should be so sad that this option is gone... |
Nalarin
6
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Posted - 2014.06.07 21:22:00 -
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I wrote one post today.
I get a forum notification that someone "liked" a post of mine.
I try to check which post it was.
Link comes up empty.
Maybe ISD was around, I was replying to a troll so it can be deleted as collateral damage.
No ISD notification for today, yet I can't find said post.
Hmm... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6835
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Posted - 2014.06.07 21:30:00 -
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Nalarin wrote:I wrote one post today.
I get a forum notification that someone "liked" a post of mine.
I try to check which post it was.
Link comes up empty.
Maybe ISD was around, I was replying to a troll so it can be deleted as collateral damage.
No ISD notification for today, yet I can't find said post.
Hmm...
*tinfoil hat*
Suuurely it was some forum bug, and not sweeping things under the rug, letting things that should not be go on as they should not.
If that post was quoting Priestess Lin, it's likely it got deleted because it was quoting a troll post.
Here, have a like to make up for it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3698
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Posted - 2014.06.08 03:06:00 -
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Can we lock or at least unsticky all the "Kronos" threads? (particularly this one) They've served their purpose and have long since stopped being productive on any level...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
737
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Posted - 2014.06.08 04:21:00 -
[5026] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Can we lock or at least unsticky all the "Kronos" threads? (particularly this one) They've served their purpose and have long since stopped being productive on any level...
not until the last tear has been cried |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
28
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:31:00 -
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why is it every time i log in something else i have invested years of skill training on is changed ?
I didnt spend all that time to have the rattlesnake changed. I do not like the idea of losing so much drone capacity and only being able to field 2 drones at a time. I will say after not login for 6 months this will most likely be the last time I ever pay you dam penny.
So that being said,
is the new rattle snake going to do the same or less damaged with a character who has maxed out everything for flying a rattle snake ? that's my point and why when ever you dev holes start changing stuff i get pissed
If theses changes = a less effective rattle snake bugger off you devs sux |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
11849
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:37:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:why is it every time i log in something else i have invested years of skill training on is changed ?
I didnt spend all that time to have the rattlesnake changed. I do not like the idea of losing so much drone capacity and only being able to field 2 drones at a time. I will say after not login for 6 months this will most likely be the last time I ever pay you dam penny.
So that being said,
is the new rattle snake going to do the same or less damaged with a character who has maxed out everything for flying a rattle snake ? that's my point and why when ever you dev holes start changing stuff i get pissed
If theses changes = a less effective rattle snake bugger off you devs sux
It has a great deal more firepower.
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stoicfaux
4969
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:37:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:
is the new rattle snake going to do the same or less damaged with a character who has maxed out everything for flying a rattle snake ? that's my point and why when ever you dev holes start changing stuff i get pissed
Kronos rattlesnake has:
More torpedo, cruise, heavy missile, heavy assault missile, light missile and rocket damage.
Same sentry and heavy drone damage.
Less medium and light drone damage.
Less heavy EW drone effects due to only having 50 drone bandwidth.
Same light and medium EW drone effects (but a smaller drone bay offsets this somewhat.)
Overall, it does more damage.
Quote:If theses changes = a less effective rattle snake bugger off you devs sux
I would hazard to say that the Kronos Rattlesnake is more effective in more situations.
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:56:00 -
[5030] - Quote
I've got 500isk says these 'maxed out' characters can't even sport Cruise Missile Launcher II - otherwise we'd not be seeing these complaints. |
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Nalarin
8
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:40:00 -
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afkalt wrote:I've got 500isk says these 'maxed out' characters can't even sport Cruise Missile Launcher II - otherwise we'd not be seeing these complaints.
That's what you think.
I'm sure everyone has seen his fair share of fits that were so sub-optimal it wasn't funny, the owner of it refusing any sensible aid.
Fitting misconceptions, wrong priorities, refusal to adapt, and worst of all laziness.
When someone fits a module he doesn't even know the working of, and then asks me why it ain't working the way he wants it to, and when I ask the questions "why did you fit it" and "how did you expect it to work" he 'stares at me blankly'...
I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of these maxed-out characters had Multitasking V.
Great deal of good that does them ofc. |
svarog tupan
The Big E
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.06.09 01:54:00 -
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The new RS is... meh !
This is the 3rd time (if I remember well) CCP change this ship to a very different configuration. Long time ago, it was a missile boat with insane tank, then changed to a damn good drone boat with decent missile range. Now it's a strange done boat that can use large drones with some efficience and small drones with less. I can adapt and accept this, but the inability to use a full set of large ECM drones is stupid (to keep this polite). Torps were awfully nerfed and the smaller drone bay won't let us carry many spares.
Nice damage for just two large drones , but what the hell, can't even deploy two geckos !! Okay, it may reach good dps but at a huge operational cost.
At the moment, I prefer the Domi Navy issue. Can go easy to 1300+ DPS with gardes II + blasters and tanks at least 150K (can go much more with proper implants and fit) |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
11850
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Posted - 2014.06.09 03:36:00 -
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svarog tupan wrote:The new RS is... meh !
This is the 3rd time (if I remember well) CCP change this ship to a very different configuration. Long time ago, it was a missile boat with insane tank, then changed to a damn good drone boat with decent missile range. Now it's a strange done boat that can use large drones with some efficience and small drones with less. I can adapt and accept this, but the inability to use a full set of large ECM drones is stupid (to keep this polite). Torps were awfully nerfed and the smaller drone bay won't let us carry many spares.
Nice damage for just two large drones , but what the hell, can't even deploy two geckos !! Okay, it may reach good dps but at a huge operational cost.
At the moment, I prefer the Domi Navy issue. Can go easy to 1300+ DPS with gardes II + blasters and tanks at least 150K (can go much more with proper implants and fit)
New rattle will do 1600+ DPS at much greater range than a blaster domi and beats the domi on tank.
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Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3700
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Posted - 2014.06.09 04:39:00 -
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The placement of the 5th launcher bugs me (and I suspect, others) to no end.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
Psychopathic Posse
34
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Posted - 2014.06.09 05:21:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:The placement of the 5th launcher bugs me (and I suspect, others) to no end.
BUT ITS THE STINGER  Im ok with it, though it does seem strange sometimes |
Nalarin
8
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Posted - 2014.06.09 07:08:00 -
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svarog tupan wrote:Torps were awfully nerfed And it does more damage(1), further out(2), with better application (3) with Cruise missiles than with Torps before.
Sounds better?
OFC if you had only torps trained, it stings a bit. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
1087
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:51:00 -
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Good news.
i bought and tested the new snake.
It is far better than my old navy issue raven and far better than my domi.
missions cleared in no time. rats of all types melted.
Even using fewer tank slots than i did on my domi or navy raven the tank is far stronger too.
Might drop to a 3 slot tank from the current 4 and add more application.
Very happy they nay sayers were wrong.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1523
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Posted - 2014.06.09 15:05:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.
The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.
ISD Ezwal
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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svarog tupan
The Big E
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:51:00 -
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Nalarin wrote:svarog tupan wrote:Torps were awfully nerfed And it does more damage(1), further out(2), with better application (3) with Cruise missiles than with Torps before. Sounds better? OFC if you had only torps trained, it stings a bit.
yes, of course. Pardon me, I'm just a noob compared to you.  |
svarog tupan
The Big E
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:svarog tupan wrote:The new RS is... meh !
This is the 3rd time (if I remember well) CCP change this ship to a very different configuration. Long time ago, it was a missile boat with insane tank, then changed to a damn good drone boat with decent missile range. Now it's a strange done boat that can use large drones with some efficience and small drones with less. I can adapt and accept this, but the inability to use a full set of large ECM drones is stupid (to keep this polite). Torps were awfully nerfed and the smaller drone bay won't let us carry many spares.
Nice damage for just two large drones , but what the hell, can't even deploy two geckos !! Okay, it may reach good dps but at a huge operational cost.
At the moment, I prefer the Domi Navy issue. Can go easy to 1300+ DPS with gardes II + blasters and tanks at least 150K (can go much more with proper implants and fit) New rattle will do 1600+ DPS at much greater range than a blaster domi and beats the domi on tank.
I said I prefer the Domi, for a set of specific reasons. The main point is that the new RS is unable to use a full set or support drones. That's it.
You like the new ship, some people don't. For me, not the best ship neither the worst, just different and not attractive. |
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