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Petrus Blackshell
Derelict Rifter Enterprise
3098
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:49:00 -
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When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.
Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?
Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
348
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:54:00 -
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I understand how what your implying could be the case.
Higher PLEX does mean a higher "entrance fee" of ISK to get into EvE. If you can't afford the ISK, yet still wish to enter, then you have to pay money. CCP being a business which is fueled by money, it makes sense that they would take steps to influence more people to pay with money rather than with PLEX. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
raz1980
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:55:00 -
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Yes |
Soshala Garemoko
Moar Tears Industrial Consortium Ltd.
4
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:55:00 -
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do u think honesly the PLEAX prices are magic and that it comes from no where? poeple buy PLEX and sell it into the game so they pay more to CCCP for the PLEX than they do to subscribe. why does this make since to you that they would do this to make moere money? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1527
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:56:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem This implies a problem exists. This is false. No one is under any obligation to provide you with cheap/easy game time. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4694
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:59:00 -
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Fark, I bought popcorn for this weekend instead of tinfoil.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5270
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:59:00 -
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Soshala Garemoko wrote:do u think honesly the PLEAX prices are magic and that it comes from no where? poeple buy PLEX and sell it into the game so they pay more to CCCP for the PLEX than they do to subscribe. why does this make since to you that they would do this to make moere money?
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2895
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:59:00 -
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Oho! Better fit your 1600mm Layered Aluminium Plating for what's coming next: Cause for the rise of PLEX prices is the banning of Erotica1. He never did any big scams. All his money was gained from buying a lot of PLEXes from CCP and selling them on the market. Now that he's banned, supplies have dwindled down with stable demand, thus prices sky-rocketed. His claim to fame and fortune was all based on a lie. It's true, because I wrote it on the internet and you just read it. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
255
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:00:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.
Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?
Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.
Are you buying into it?
As I said in another thread high PLEX prices are due to: demand > supply, basic economics, no conspiracy here.
Doc Fury wrote:Fark, I bought popcorn for this weekend instead of tinfoil.
Buy Jiffypop like I do. Then you get the best of both worlds. The tinfoil container used to cook the popcorn on the stove recycles nicely into hats. |
masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1699
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:04:00 -
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You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market.
And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscription Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21080
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:06:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. GǪehmGǪ
By GÇ£not using subsGÇ¥ I take it you mean GÇ£not keeping their accounts activeGÇ¥? Because if you just mean that they no longer use the subscription option, then no, that does not cause a drop in income. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3027
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:08:00 -
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when did we start forming conclusions based on zero actual factsahahahaha GD |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
375
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:08:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.
Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?
Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.
Are you buying into it?
Wait what?
You really need to take an economics course. Seriously...
As said already, there is no problem. There is no drop in income if people plex. Because they still get the income. They just may get the income a month before the guy used his plex. Subscribers benefit because as more people buy GTC for the higher isk prices this will force the price down. And make more available to be bought.
CCP Only benefits from higher prices because now joe blow who was money to burn might decide to get a plex so he can get some isk now, instead of looking for a RMT. There is no issue with plex prices. simple as that.
And ib4l there are like 4 other threads about this same issue. sheesh |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:10:00 -
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A cash grab, um no...no it's not.
For one thing, you don't have to be here. You can quit. Anytime...
Imagine. A company who needs revenue, who would have thought it possible...
You can quit. Anytime... |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4696
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:13:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Fark, I bought popcorn for this weekend instead of tinfoil.
Buy Jiffypop like I do. Then you get the best of both worlds. The tinfoil container used to cook the popcorn on the stove recycles nicely into hats. BRILLIANT
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
99
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:23:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market. And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscription
Yep. People think rising plex prices are a bad thing, but from CCPs perspective they aren't.
I promise, CCP cares more about the people buying plex(and funding the game) than those who are playing for free. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3988
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:35:00 -
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Nerf CCP. It's the only way. |
Paranoid Loyd
432
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:36:00 -
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9/10, well written, no one realizes you are trolling "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3988
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:40:00 -
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These days Petrus only troll-posts. |
Viserys Anstian
Wayward Chickens
2
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:41:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem This implies a problem exists. This is false. No one is under any obligation to provide you with cheap/easy game time.
I have to agree.
What is the problem with PLEX? No one forces you to use it. You can pay like a lot of people, $15/month. No one forces you to spend $20 on a PLEX to stay in the game.
Now I understand if you choose to try to play the game for free, then the rising PLEX prices are bad as that means you have to work more in the game to play it for free. For buyers of PLEX for ISK, its just that their real life money earning just got a better exchange rate and they have to work less in life to buy stuff in the game.
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Tiberian Deci
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:47:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market. And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscription
Exactly what I came here to say. |
Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
53
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:50:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.
Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?
Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.
Are you buying into it?
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
423
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:53:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.
Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?
Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.
Are you buying into it?
I have a jump bridge to sell you.
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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
161
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:15:00 -
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Tiberian Deci wrote:masternerdguy wrote:You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market. And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscription Exactly what I came here to say. Pretty much this. What the hell is up with the random tinfoil hat fad we've been seeing as of late? Next up, someone will say that bronies are taking over or some stupid ****. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1701
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:16:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Tiberian Deci wrote:masternerdguy wrote:You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market. And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscription Exactly what I came here to say. Pretty much this. What the hell is up with the random tinfoil hat fad we've been seeing as of late? Next up, someone will say that bronies are taking over or some stupid ****.
We're already here. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6073
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.
Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?
Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.
Are you buying into it?
Why is it that everyone else could see the glaring flaw as soon as you posted it, but you coldn't even though it's your own post?
High plex prices hurt CCP in the long run because at some point people will either drop accounts they are used to plexing or keep that accounts alive with the cheaper 'pay sub with cash' option. Plexes and GTCs cost more than a normal sub.
If CCP were trying to do a 'money grab' they'd artifically DEFLATE the price of plex, thus encouraging more and more people to use the more expensive thing (plex) rather than the thing that bring CCP less money. (paying with cash). |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10479
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:25:00 -
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PLEX prices are high because of speculators, not because a bunch of players suddenly decided to start using PLEX for their accounts. It's an unfortunate consequence of CCP introducing PLEX as a convenient alternative to GTC trading and as a foundation for monetized perks like multiple character training. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10479
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:26:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:I promise, CCP cares more about the people buying plex(and funding the game) than those who are playing for free.
Bullshit. People won't buy PLEX if nobody will give them ISK for it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
350
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:34:00 -
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It's not a certainty that PLEX being bought and sold on the market within EvE is new plex recently bought for $20.
Increasing the price of PLEX has 2 benefits for CCP.
1) it raises the ISK subscription fee resulting in more people needing to continue their ability to stay within EVE with subscription purchases with real money, which real money benefits CCP.
2) Because the PLEX is more lucrative due to it's having a higher ISK worth, more people are willing to pay CCP real money to buy PLEX to then turn into ISK, which results in CCP getting more money from people buying more PLEX to sell for ISK.
If Plex were worth only 300mil ISK, more people would be subbing to EvE with plex rather than money, which would result in less money for CCP. Eventually, through the PLEX disappearing through use of pilots licenses, they would become scarce resulting in them raising in isk and worth over time. And since $20 would only be buying 300mil ISK, less people would be buying PLEX since at that time, $20 = 300mil isk.
It's very obvious that PLEX being worth more ISK benefits CCP.
The question of the matter though, is CCP manipulating the worth of PLEX behind the scenes to benefit themselves? Which if they were, IMO, would be perfectly acceptable since ultimately they are a business providing a service. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21081
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:39:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Increasing the price of PLEX has 2 benefits for CCP.
1) it raises the ISK subscription fee resulting in more people needing to continue their ability to stay within EVE with subscription purchases with real money, which real money benefits CCP. This is not a benefit to CCP, since they earn more money from PLEX.
Quote:2) Because the PLEX is more lucrative due to it's having a higher ISK worth, more people are willing to pay CCP real money to buy PLEX to then turn into ISK, which results in CCP getting more money from people buying more PLEX to sell for ISK. GǪand there is no guarantee that the higher PLEX prices actually make people buy them more.
Quote:If Plex were worth only 300mil ISK, more people would be subbing to EvE with plex rather than money, which would result in less money for CCP. No, they'd probably make a bit more since PLEX has the highest cost per month for a player GÇö depending on your points of comparison it can be almost twice as expensive.
Quote:It's very obvious that PLEX being worth more ISK benefits CCP. Only if you've fundamentally misunderstood how PLEX works and think that they let accounts be kept alive for free. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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