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Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3460	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:43:00 - [181] - Quote Kontrapshun wrote: Expect prices to rise and rise the closer Star Citizen gets to launch.... yes, it's that game that will kill this one, if CCP doesn't change their model and create a better solo experience. CCP has already abandoned any real advancements to this game and only give tiny updates to calm the entrenched Free player base. Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for" You have a very myopic view of EvE, old bean And, you're totes wrong, in my humble opinion * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15160	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:49:00 - [182] - Quote When I started playing, a PLEX (actually 30day GTC) cost ~130M and so did a Raven. But then a Cerberus cost 500M or more so v0v But the proper comparison to make is how much ISK/hr you could expect to make. In 2006, 20M/hr was considered decent for a tooled up L4 missioner, or maybe 30M if you could belt-rat in good space. So a PLEX took 4-6 hours of effort from accessible income sources. Now missioning is widely considered to make 50-60M/hr, anomalies 60-80, Incursions and FW 100-150+. So a 700M PLEX takes 4-10 hours from those sources. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15161	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:02:00 - [183] - Quote I guess what I'm saying is that CCP have added some new scalable income sources that require either operating in lo-sec or working in groups which significantly outweigh the old solo, minimal interaction sources, and PLEX time cost has become scaled to those rather than the old methods. If you're prepared to engage with the game a little more deeply, then "30 days" costs about the same time to earn as it ever did. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous 19114	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:12:00 - [184] - Quote Vesago wrote: Back when plex were 300 mil, Trit was trading around the 2-3 isk mark. Since everything in the game is getting more expensive, the cost of Plex is going up as well. So basically you're saying PLEX is produced from Tritanium? WELL DAMN WHY DID I NOT SEE THAT, WE CAN MANUFACTURE PLEX INGAME!!! TIL!! Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase I like to gank it, gank it!
Master Flakattack Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:24:00 - [185] - Quote Kontrapshun wrote: Expect prices to rise and rise the closer Star Citizen gets to launch.... yes, it's that game that will kill this one, if CCP doesn't change their model and create a better solo experience. CCP has already abandoned any real advancements to this game and only give tiny updates to calm the entrenched Free player base. Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for"... It's only required to pay RL money when you first start this game, after that you're just doing it wrong if you do. I am very excited about SC, but it is not EVE, nor is it trying to be. They're not the same game and though there is obviously overlapping interest, I doubt it will affect EVE very much at all.
Kontrapshun Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:34:00 - [186] - Quote Master Flakattack wrote: Kontrapshun wrote: Expect prices to rise and rise the closer Star Citizen gets to launch.... yes, it's that game that will kill this one, if CCP doesn't change their model and create a better solo experience. CCP has already abandoned any real advancements to this game and only give tiny updates to calm the entrenched Free player base. Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for"... It's only required to pay RL money when you first start this game, after that you're just doing it wrong if you do. I am very excited about SC, but it is not EVE, nor is it trying to be. They're not the same game and though there is obviously overlapping interest, I doubt it will affect EVE very much at all. Don't get me wrong, I do like EVE as it had a great deal going for it at one time. The point I am making about games like SC, is the direct relationship that the publisher is trying to engage with the players. It's absolutely amazing and that's why so many are investing in their vision. I've bought a Connie, 325A, Cutlass and a Starter ship, since I really want games that have grand dreams to be made. CCP has lost touch with innovation for EVE and it no longer warrants additional financial support, as they are not expanding it's vision into new areas. It's still a decent game to play much like AOE II or Counter Strike when you're in the mood to take a look at the past, but I can't see a reason to not use the large bank of ISK I've earned in game to pay for continued play as long as that option is available. There's really not much else to spend the ISK or RL money on that has value in this game besides buying Plex with it. Regarding SC not being EVE, god I hope it's nothing like it... but I do think it will force CCP to change this game, as I and many like me will have no reason to come back to this game. TBH, the only reason I log in anymore is to keep the account going in hopes they do something interesting, but as of the last few years.... the same old thing.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15165	Posted - 2014.04.21 07:34:00 - [187] - Quote CCP have been focusing on fixing and updating existing content rather than adding sweeping new mechanics lately because that's what we, the playerbase, told them we wanted them to do in the clearest and least ambiguous way possible: when CCP said they were going to do the opposite, they lost 20% of their subscribers in a couple of weeks. Surely you will concede that EVE, as a piece of software and as a game, works hugely better than it did in 2011? It's faster, more reliable, more polished, more attractive, easier to learn in hundreds of ways. The effects of that polish will be thrown into sharp relief when - if - Star Citizen launches. Surely you're not so naive as to think that it will launch with every feature promised? Or that every feature it does launch with will work properly? Or that all the ships will be balanced? What CCP are doing now is not the panicked, undirected rush to fix as many minor issues as possible that we saw with Crucible and, and it's not the narrow "fix a broken thing" of Inferno or Retribution. What they've doing for the last year is, to a very large extent, preparing the way to do what you're asking them to do. They're developing EVE with a specific plan now, and that plan most definitely involves adding new content. CCP are laying the foundations for that expansion now in a planned and organised fashion. I know this because they have literally shown me this plan, and convinced me that they're able to deliver it and that they intend to. Consider this: if the plan is to expand EVE with mechanics such as building new stargates, then don't you think that it is a very good idea to rework how science & industry work in-game before requiring players to take on such titanic building projects in order to access the new content? The S&I reform will also have considerable "sandbox" effects on the way EVE works long before we get to build stargates. In a game that is primarily built on player interaction, that matters. There are more blogs to come revealing further S&I changes, and some of them are in my opinion specifically intended to change the way we interact with each other and provide gameplay hooks where previously there were there was a lonely, solo "massively singleplayer" experience. In short: CCP are releasing new content. They're releasing it a little at a time rather than making you wait 4 years to get it all at once. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2247	Posted - 2014.04.21 07:45:00 - [188] - Quote Kontrapshun wrote: Let's see. How can I play this game for free? 1) I will buy Plex with in game ISK. Why pay RL money for something that is earned so easy in game with normal game play. No matter the cost, it's well within reach of any player to earn a months play time in game. Why would I want to buy a GTC? 1) I'm a new player that has no skills, time or experience and I think getting ahead quickly is buying expensive junk so I throw RL money at this game to get ahead, but quickly realize I was wrong. Why would Plex be more expensive? 1) Because there are fewer new players buying GTC's. Expect prices to rise and rise the closer Star Citizen gets to launch.... yes, it's that game that will kill this one, if CCP doesn't change their model and create a better solo experience. CCP has already abandoned any real advancements to this game and only give tiny updates to calm the entrenched Free player base. Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for"... It's only required to pay RL money when you first start this game, after that you're just doing it wrong if you do. The last paragraph of your post is nonsense. I have a reasonable amount of money in real life and can afford to pay for my two accounts by annual sub without having to actually remember how much the actual cost is, roughly -ú90.00 per year for one account? This means that any isk I earn in-game can be lost by me in pvp as I am pretty bad at it, without having to 'grind' isk for PLEX in any way shape or form. This is not a signature.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15169	Posted - 2014.04.21 07:56:00 - [189] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Kontrapshun wrote: Let's see. How can I play this game for free? 1) I will buy Plex with in game ISK. Why pay RL money for something that is earned so easy in game with normal game play. No matter the cost, it's well within reach of any player to earn a months play time in game. Why would I want to buy a GTC? 1) I'm a new player that has no skills, time or experience and I think getting ahead quickly is buying expensive junk so I throw RL money at this game to get ahead, but quickly realize I was wrong. Why would Plex be more expensive? 1) Because there are fewer new players buying GTC's. Expect prices to rise and rise the closer Star Citizen gets to launch.... yes, it's that game that will kill this one, if CCP doesn't change their model and create a better solo experience. CCP has already abandoned any real advancements to this game and only give tiny updates to calm the entrenched Free player base. Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for"... It's only required to pay RL money when you first start this game, after that you're just doing it wrong if you do. The last paragraph of your post is nonsense. I have a reasonable amount of money in real life and can afford to pay for my two accounts by annual sub without having to actually remember how much the actual cost is, roughly -ú90.00 per year for one account? This means that any isk I earn in-game can be lost by me in pvp as I am pretty bad at it, without having to 'grind' isk for PLEX in any way shape or form. To put it another way: if you live in the UK and you cant make at least 500M ISK per hour, then you're working for less than minimum wage if you're PLEXing your accounts. That's fine if you actively enjoy the method you use to make your ISK. It's even fine if you have no realistic liklehood of finding any paid employment. Otherwise you basically have a very poorly paid part-time job as a PvE grinder. If you have any kind of job at all, then you're probably better off subscribing. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
Kelur Hunter 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.21 08:23:00 - [190] - Quote The day a Plex hits a billion so many tears will shed that day
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3480	Posted - 2014.04.21 08:27:00 - [191] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Any statement about what you feel is certain or not regarding the amount of PLEX being bought from CCP for money is merely your opinion. Failure to read and understand his own words = priceless * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2973	Posted - 2014.04.21 13:24:00 - [192] - Quote Removed an off topic post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Grunanca Doughboys Shadow Cartel 216	Posted - 2014.04.21 13:32:00 - [193] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur. Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No. Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no. Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up? Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple. Are you buying into it? You seem to miss where plexes come from... Someone buy the plex in order to put it on the market. So for CCP its the number of active accounts that counts, not if 50% pay for the rest of the eve popuation to play. (50% is a random number, got no idea what the real number is)
Slade Trillgon Brutor Force Federated 2733	Posted - 2014.04.21 13:40:00 - [194] - Quote Kontrapshun wrote: Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for"... It's only required to pay RL money when you first start this game, after that you're just doing it wrong if you do. Or some of us have a life and play casually and value $.50 a day really really really cheap for some random entertainment.
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 127	Posted - 2014.04.21 14:18:00 - [195] - Quote If you have to worry about how much ISK a PLEX costs on the market, you can't afford it. I wish they'd just start locking these PLEX price threads. Stop being poor and pay via a subscription, or do your part to lower PLEX prices buy buying a bunch of them and selling them under market value.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15177	Posted - 2014.04.21 14:46:00 - [196] - Quote Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: If you have to worry about how much ISK a PLEX costs on the market, you can't afford it. I wish they'd just start locking these PLEX price threads. Stop being poor and pay via a subscription, or do your part to lower PLEX prices buy buying a bunch of them and selling them under market value. Honestly, if PLEX do hit a bill then I will find that deal very tempting. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 750	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:41:00 - [197] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Are you buying into it? I bought two plex to buy a freighter, an I evil? And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2254	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:52:00 - [198] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: Are you buying into it? I bought two plex to buy a freighter, an I evil? I absolutely respect your right to buy the freighter by any means you wish, but would it not be more enjoyable to earn the isk to buy ships by in-game means? I have a minimum level of isk I will not go below, so if I want a fancy ship I go and earn the isk for it in-game, my Kronos which is going rusty from lack of use for example. Each to their own and all that, but may way seems to require more involvement with the game mechanics. This is not a signature.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 4801	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:56:00 - [199] - Quote I don't want to alarm anyone, but have you folks seen the price of bacon lately? I don't want to have to choose between bacon and EVE because that delicious pork candy is a monkey I just can't shake. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15182	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:02:00 - [200] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: I don't want to alarm anyone, but have you folks seen the price of bacon lately? I don't want to have to choose between bacon and EVE because that delicious pork candy is a monkey I just can't shake. Hmm yes well when you put the problem like that... Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 2474	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:48:00 - [201] - Quote Soshala Garemoko wrote: do u think honesly the PLEAX prices are magic and that it comes from no where? poeple buy PLEX and sell it into the game so they pay more to CCCP for the PLEX than they do to subscribe. why does this make since to you that they would do this to make moere money? 1) If CCP wants to magically make a hundred PLEX poof into existence then yes, they can do exactly that. 2) Computers, how do they work? Must be witchcraft! 3) The word for the day is "school." Look it up, sometime. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif
Dr0000 Maulerant Union Nanide and Tooling 184	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:21:00 - [202] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: 1) If CCP wants to magically make a hundred PLEX poof into existence then yes, they can do exactly that. 2) Computers, how do they work? Must be witchcraft! 3) The word for the day is "school." Look it up, sometime. weren't those plex confiscated from botters? Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 616	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:56:00 - [203] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: I don't want to alarm anyone, but have you folks seen the price of bacon lately? I don't want to have to choose between bacon and EVE because that delicious pork candy is a monkey I just can't shake. Pork candy? What? Also, this post makes it six in a row on the front page.
Quaggan Stomp The Milkmen Ideal Society 9	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:08:00 - [204] - Quote I am still relatively new to this game, but I am by no means new to MMOs, been playing them and their respective precursors since before the existance of GUI based internet, hence I have a very good grasp and 1st hand experience on the multitude of F2P , sub and mixed business models. So I would like to chime in on the whole PLEX pricing thing. 1. Plex is idiotically cheap. There are many people in this game (various gameplay vids available, google it yourselves) that can make in excess of 600 mil per hour with ease. They basically fart billions of ISK and sneeze out battleships and caps if they want to. To me a monthly sub like this should equate to at least 20 hours of gameplay, thats assuming 20 hours / week, which is mid range, not exactly hardcore, but not casual, leaving the remaining 3 weeks of the month to spend in the game spending the ISK elsewhere after earning the monthly sub. There is no other sub-based MMO in the industry that lets people earn a monthly sub fee in little over an hour of gameplay. 2. Supply vs. Demand. Increased demand from more players becoming vet players and wanting to alt more, thus plex accounts, however, the extermination of new players to this game largely continues, ironically, by a lot of the same players. A large portion of the Plex on the market comes from new players wanting to give themselves a little "starter" boost once they subscribe and decide to stick it out. This supply however, is greatly diminished due to people opting not to stay in the game longterm due the older playerbase general attitudes along with other flaws and outdated game mechanics. So its simple, fix some of the core / outdated issues which have been tackled long since around 1997 in other MMOs, get more new players to actually stay in the game to increase the Plex supply. Incidentally, CCP would win the most here I think with more players staying longterm, rather then anything else.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 617	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:10:00 - [205] - Quote I kind of agree with what the poster above said, at least on some things ... but not on others.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation 435	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:29:00 - [206] - Quote Quaggan Stomp wrote: I am still relatively new to this game, but I am by no means new to MMOs, been playing them and their respective precursors since before the existance of GUI based internet, hence I have a very good grasp and 1st hand experience on the multitude of F2P , sub and mixed business models. So I would like to chime in on the whole PLEX pricing thing. 1. Plex is idiotically cheap. There are many people in this game (various gameplay vids available, google it yourselves) that can make in excess of 600 mil per hour with ease. They basically fart billions of ISK and sneeze out battleships and caps if they want to. To me a monthly sub like this should equate to at least 20 hours of gameplay, thats assuming 20 hours / week, which is mid range, not exactly hardcore, but not casual, leaving the remaining 3 weeks of the month to spend in the game spending the ISK elsewhere after earning the monthly sub. There is no other sub-based MMO in the industry that lets people earn a monthly sub fee in little over an hour of gameplay. That's the story of EvE though, you want to eat your cake, they steal your cake, you whine about not having cake, they whine about you whining about not having cake, you get more cake, but it gets pied in Burn Jita. SJD I invented Tiericide

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1178	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:51:00 - [207] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. The Rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Garandras Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 166	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:58:00 - [208] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: That's the story of EvE though, you want to eat your cake, they steal your cake, you whine about not having cake, they whine about you whining about not having cake, you get more cake, but it gets pied in Burn Jita. Love it.. but basically Plex prices will always continue to rise no matter what.. The ability to make isk is so much more easier than it use to be, and as a result more people have more isk in their wallets.. The only ones who dont are the scrubs like me who dont do any PvE and just PvP and try to get buy by looting wrecks a bad month will see me buying a plex or two to cover some expencive losses that I may/will occur
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 751	Posted - 2014.04.22 02:17:00 - [209] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: Are you buying into it? I bought two plex to buy a freighter, an I evil? I absolutely respect your right to buy the freighter by any means you wish, but would it not be more enjoyable to earn the isk to buy ships by in-game means? I have a minimum level of isk I will not go below, so if I want a fancy ship I go and earn the isk for it in-game, my Kronos which is going rusty from lack of use for example. Each to their own and all that, but my way seems to require more involvement with the game mechanics. Oh and buying a ship with PLEX does not make you evil Dunno; $40 or farming level 4s for like three weeks? And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.
Rex Steal Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:16:00 - [210] - Quote What will happen if its not happening now is that the solo player will disappear or be forced too buy plex to get anywhere in Eve. As more people run 5-10-15-20 accounts and need plex to fund those accounts the player base will be limited and over saturated. The player base then will be limited because with all those accounts and dozens of alts they no longer need to depend on others but with what they will find is that with so many doing the same thing and building/mining mission running items won't move. And CCP will be forced too constantly make change to Eve to off load the staleness of Eve.

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