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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:56:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:also, they aren't the only ways isk enters the game. Oh? How else? insurance, for a start. NPC buy orders are another. Tags and other such drops are the biggest part of them.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
682
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:07:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:also, they aren't the only ways isk enters the game. Oh? How else?
Insurance payout.
NPC buyorders.
bounties.
Anything else? I'm out of the loop...
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3063
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:08:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:also, they aren't the only ways isk enters the game. Oh? How else? insurance, for a start. NPC buy orders are another. Tags and other such drops are the biggest part of them.
don't forget incursion rewards? |
Dave Stark
4965
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:10:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:also, they aren't the only ways isk enters the game. Oh? How else? insurance, for a start. NPC buy orders are another. Tags and other such drops are the biggest part of them. don't forget incursion rewards?
they generally get lumped with bounties. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
682
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:10:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:also, they aren't the only ways isk enters the game. Oh? How else? insurance, for a start. NPC buy orders are another. Tags and other such drops are the biggest part of them. don't forget incursion rewards?
Aren't these bounties?
And CONCORD LP doesn't create ISK.
LP stores are a sink.
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3063
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:13:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Aren't these bounties?
And CONCORD LP doesn't create ISK.
LP stores are a sink.
incursion sites pay out isk and lp for completion |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3063
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:14:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:they generally get lumped with bounties.
vOv might as well be thorough |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
683
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:19:00 -
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Psion Zateki wrote:I remember a while back, people on these forums seemed upset that CCP hired a micro transaction expert from EA games. A while later here we are with ship skins and stuff to raise income through plex sales. Isn't it just a subtle way to bring in that micro stuff through the back door? Stay away from my backdoor micro market guy! 
Nobody really cares as long as this stuff stays away from game mechanics.
I'd rather not have it influence the PLEX price, but I guess CCP knows better.
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Salvos Rhoska
1132
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:19:00 -
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Its Bounties and Mission rewards guys.
(And insurance. Pfft)
Its a sobering thought, but really its the only ways ISK enters the game.
So Bounties/Missions for PvE.
Insurance for PvP.
Strange universe we live in.
Anyways, I will deal with PLEX price increase.
I have np paying CCP for my gametime.
Question is though: How many will not.
The 1bil mark is quite a psychological and practical hurdle.
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3065
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:20:00 -
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but while lots of people were opposed to creating entire game elements to fuel demand for microtransactions, and while lots of people were against the pay-to-win transactions ccp seemed to be angling towards, dual character training is useful and supportive of players using multiple characters, and players have been asking for ship skins for a long time, this sentence is really long. |
Dave Stark
4965
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:20:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its Bounties and Mission rewards guys.
(And insurance. Pfft)
Its a sobering thought, but really its the only ways ISK enters the game.
So Bounties/Missions for PvE.
Insurance for PvP.
Strange universe we live in.
Anyways, I will deal with PLEX price increase.
Question is though: How many will not.
The 1bil mark is quite a psychological and practical hurdle.
and tags.
and insurance for pve. |
Psion Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:21:00 -
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But by influencing plex prices with no change in in game income etc... it has an effect. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
683
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Psion Zateki wrote:I remember a while back, people on these forums seemed upset that CCP hired a micro transaction expert from EA games. A while later here we are with ship skins and stuff to raise income through plex sales. Isn't just a subtle way to bring in that micro stuff through the back door. Stay away from my backdoor micro market guy! the difference is, you can get this "micro transaction" stuff, with ingame currency. (or at least, that's how i understood it... i didn't care enough to read too much in to it) with other games, the micro transactions are IRL currencies only... which is why people despise them.
No... it's because in most other games you buy things
that give you better stats or boosts to something.
I agree that people in EVE would cry about things they can't buy with ISK,
but there is no indication that it would create a public outcry.
It's all just vanity stuff anyway.
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3065
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its Bounties and Mission rewards guys.
(And insurance. Pfft)
Its a sobering thought, but really its the only ways ISK enters the game.
So Bounties/Missions for PvE.
Insurance for PvP.
Strange universe we live in.
Anyways, I will deal with PLEX price increase.
Question is though: How many will not.
The 1bil mark is quite a psychological and practical hurdle. and tags. and insurance for pve.
and incursion rewards D: |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
683
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:23:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:but while this sentence is really long. Hahahahahaha xD
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
683
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:24:00 -
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Psion Zateki wrote:But by influencing plex prices with no change in in game income etc... it has an effect.
That's the price people ha e to pay for the fact that they can buy all this stuff with ISK.
Too bad for them.
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Salvos Rhoska
1133
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:26:00 -
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I dont believe CCP is significantly or overtly affecting PLEX.
Atleast, I hope they are not.
Im ok with re-selling confiscated PLEXs. They "belong" to the community anyways.
However, I would be extremely angry if it turns out CCP has been influencing the PLEX market with non-player PLEX to any significant degree. I wont even entertain the notiont without some really serious condemning evidence.
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Dave Stark
4967
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:30:00 -
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ccp have openly admitted they involve themselves with the plex market when the price changes too rapidly.
however, i think we've been over the point that currently the price of plex isn't yet reaching the point of "too rapidly". |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3066
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:32:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I dont believe CCP is significantly or overtly affecting PLEX.
Atleast, I hope they are not.
Im ok with re-selling confiscated PLEXs. They "belong" to the community anyways.
However, I would be extremely angry if it turns out CCP has been influencing the PLEX market with non-player PLEX to any significant degree. I wont even entertain the notiont without some really serious condemning evidence.
ccp justifies plex market intervention to the csm when intervention is necessary. i trust ccp and csm |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Probe Patrol
Ixtab.
206
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:34:00 -
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If / when plex gets closer to 1Billion, I may just buy one. Reselling it will give me plenty of nice pew pew ships, without having to make the effort to grind the isk in game.
Grinding/PVE sucks and requires too much effort. I just want steady stream of fitted ships to throw through grinder. $20 bucks every few months to allow for that ain't that bad.
Should I feel bad??? I don't know, but I don't. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21149
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:34:00 -
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I guess it's time for this one again:
Faucets:- NPC bounties: Exploration, Belt rats, Missions
- NPC buy orders: Trade goods, Sleeper loot, Artefacts, Tags
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders: Blueprints, Skill books, Trade goods
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Reimbursed player bounties.
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3067
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
Sinks:
Smuggling fines
 oh gods concord's coffers have dinosaur skeletons inside |
Salvos Rhoska
1133
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:41:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:ccp justifies plex market intervention to the csm when intervention is necessary. i trust ccp and csm
Yes, fair enough.
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Viserys Anstian
Wayward Chickens
2
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:55:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:If / when plex gets closer to 1Billion, I may just buy one. Reselling it will give me plenty of nice pew pew ships, without having to make the effort to grind the isk in game.
Grinding/PVE sucks and requires too much effort. I just want steady stream of fitted ships to throw through grinder. $20 bucks every few months to allow for that ain't that bad.
Should I feel bad??? I don't know, but I don't.
Thats my view.
My play time is limited, and do I want to spend it shooting at rocks, or moving rocks (missions)?
Not particularly. I'd rather just spend the time getting the ships and equipment I need to do what I want in the game.
So, once it goes to 1B Isk/PLEX, means I just need to buy it once every few months vice once a month. Sorry, its about time versus reward. I could spend, 10-20 hours playing the game (which for me is about 2-3 weeks of my gaming time) to get what CCP and the market has valued at $20 worth of ISK. Not getting into specifics, but that is not a lot of my time in real life. I'd rather just buy what I want and play how I want vice grinding at the game for hours.
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Grape Juice
Missing Clones Syndicate
The.Spanish.Inquisition
2
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:54:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Stuff
To understand the pricing of PLEX, you must first understand how PLEX came to be:
In the dark times, there were poor, desperate miners of a certain persuasion, whose dialect didn't show up on most NeoComs of that era. These miners would work day-in, day-out, for angsty, greedy corporate masters, who would turn minerals into ISK. And for the right price, you could benefit from their toil.
This went on for years, until the mighty CCP Alliance announced, "NO MORE! TOO LONG HAVE YOU SIPHONED OUR LOGINS! TOO LONG HAVE YOU STOLEN OUR PROFITS!"
And PLEX came into being, where the poor desperate miners were suddenly without job, the greedy corporate masters found other ways to cheat regular people, and the CCP Alliance can curb the isk miner problem AND retain their profits in one fell swoop.
tl;dr - It's supply and demand, dude. Com'on. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
616
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Posted - 2014.04.22 23:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I guess it's time for this one again: Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders: Blueprints, Skill books, Trade goods
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Reimbursed player bounties.
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
- Missions where player acquires items for agents such as "Preparation for War" and Data-center agents
Added an item. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5609
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:14:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:I dont believe CCP is significantly or overtly affecting PLEX.
Atleast, I hope they are not.
Im ok with re-selling confiscated PLEXs. They "belong" to the community anyways.
However, I would be extremely angry if it turns out CCP has been influencing the PLEX market with non-player PLEX to any significant degree. I wont even entertain the notiont without some really serious condemning evidence. ccp justifies plex market intervention to the csm when intervention is necessary. i trust ccp and csm
You know, I'm certain they have stated that they can... and would if necessary... but I don't believe I've ever seen them say that they have actually had to do it.
I'll readily admit that if they did at some point I might have missed it... but I'd sure like to see the quote if they did.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5609
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:25:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:If / when plex gets closer to 1Billion, I may just buy one. Reselling it will give me plenty of nice pew pew ships, without having to make the effort to grind the isk in game.
Grinding/PVE sucks and requires too much effort. I just want steady stream of fitted ships to throw through grinder. $20 bucks every few months to allow for that ain't that bad.
Should I feel bad??? I don't know, but I don't.
You see, that's the whole crux of this non-issue.
PLEX prices rise until many people start to think exactly as you do.
Then the supply of PLEX for sale on the market rises.
Unless there is some new demand for PLEX, at that point the price begins to drop.
Currently there is more demand for PLEX on the open market (ship painting, because most people spend ISK on PLEX to convert to AURUM, not cash).
Which means demand has risen in relation to supply.
Which means the price in ISK spikes up.
Which is the whole point of this ridiculous thread.
Which means more people will pay cash for PLEX to sell.
Which means supply will begin to meet and then exceed demand.
Which means PLEX prices will start to trend back down again.
Which is exactly what it has always done.
Has the price trended upwards? Sure, gradually over time when looking at the average price... but it's entire price history has always been a series of spikes and declines.
We are simply in the middle of one of those spikes, and there will be another one when CCP implements a permanent method for skinning all ships if AURUM or PLEX can be used to obtain them.... or another large charity event... or anything else that will increase demand.
Just as inevitably, that spike will be followed by a decline as market forces adjust.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1262
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:53:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:source that isk inflation is actually a thing? Source that it isn't.
Latest CCP Dev Market blog indicating we actually may have slight deflation occuring? And that even if there is inflation like there has been in recent years, it's been in the very very tiny 1% kind of range.
I.E. Inflation is not a significant factor in EVE. The market swings in response to actual market pressures. Exactly as plex price swings have been traced directly to announcements and uses for plex.
2 new uses of plex have been introduced recently.
Fanfest is also coming around again.
And no new faucets of plex have been introduced.
Of course, others have told you this already and you still won't listen. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1321
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:57:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Of course, others have told you this already and you still won't listen.
While I don't like a lot of things Slavos has written recently, I think the last couple of pages in this thread show he isn't closed minded.
He has modified his view a bit since reading the evidence.
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