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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:By proving your point, I think you mean statistically proving the opposite of your point.
You are not right as often as you are deluded into thinking you are.
He proved my point, that in 4months, in this year, PLEX price has already climbed to near to 3/4 the average annual appreciation. This further reinforces my view that PLEX will reach 1 bil by the fall. ------------ |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Muppet Beldrulf wrote: Longterm the norm is around +25% a year. Its only 4 months into this year, and its already at +17%. Still waiting on your source and calculation to get to that 17%. Once you get that we can see how you want your particular dataset calculated. Alternatively you can just calc it up yourself and I've provided the places you are most likely to find a spike over a 4 month period. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Muppet Beldrulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:00:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5% 1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8%
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:00:00 -
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When the game is stagnating people are unlikely to invest cash to convert PLEX to ISK.
Also at the same time people are also less keen on spending money on a subscription so slowly burn through their ISK reserves (like me) until something interesting is happening. If nothing happens in the end I have at least got the most out of the ingame assets I had. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:02:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:By proving your point, I think you mean statistically proving the opposite of your point.
You are not right as often as you are deluded into thinking you are. He proved my point, that in 4months, in this year, PLEX price has already climbed to near to 3/4 the average annual appreciation. This further reinforces my view that PLEX will reach 1 bil by the fall. All he showed was that the overall increase in a year was above what you had stated for 4 months. And it could very well be there there is a single spike and a shallow slant across the whole year, meaning that 17% over 4 months means nothing long term. It could even be that there is a lull, followed by a spike, making the spike seem bigger than it was. You stating 17% doesn't evidence anything on it's own other than what we already know which is right now (as with several times in the past) plex price is up. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:03:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:except we also know the prices of plex is cyclical Explain and prove please.
look at the data for plex prices, there's a perod of rapid growth followed by a period of almost non existent growth, then that trend repeats.
eg start of oct 2011 it was ~380m/plex, by nearly the end of november it was 500m/plex. that's 20% in 2 months. so this kind of rapid short term growth isn't unprecidented at all. |

Muppet Beldrulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:03:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Muppet Beldrulf wrote: Longterm the norm is around +25% a year. Its only 4 months into this year, and its already at +17%.
Different time period. Prolly best to wait till the end of the year, rather than assuming based on very sketchy evidence. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:04:00 -
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Muppet Beldrulf wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5% 1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8%
oh look, those 2011 numbers, the same numbers i found. glad i'm not alone. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:05:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:roughly 3 years. march 2011 - april 2014 3 years ago plex was 360m, currently it's about 720m. (got that from eve-markets.net data) that means it takes 3 years for the price to double. that means plex prices increase by 23% per year. Thank you for proving my point. 23% per year (as an average over 3 years), vs 17% in 4 months in this year. But you didnt deduct inflation from that. It is important to do for purposes of determining how much a player can buy with a currency bought PLEX.
also it's not "an average" it's constant growth, it's an exponential function. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:17:00 -
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Mag's wrote:1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period? Yes that is a 4 month period.
Who has delivered figures for that period?
Or what the living **** are you on about? ------------ |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:20:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ive produced exactly 100% more figures and evidence to support my points than you have for your own. Its a hallmark you have. Make a lot of counterclaims, yet you have nothing, whatsoever, to back any of it up. When someone asks you for proof of your claims you respond "I DIDZ NOT MAEK ANEH CLAIMS HURRRR!". Nice try.
100% of nothing is nothing.
Whenever anyone points out that you are, in fact, wrong, you make childish noises, mock people and act up.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3275
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:20:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dont worry, its only the rest of the human race who has to provide evidence and support their points, Salvos never bothers. Ive produced exactly 100% more figures and evidence to support my points than you have for your own. Its a hallmark you have. Make a lot of counterclaims, yet you have nothing, whatsoever, to back any of it up. When someone asks you for proof of your claims you respond "I DIDZ NOT MAEK ANEH CLAIMS HURRRR!". Nice try. Dave Stark wrote:doesn't matter what you interpret it at. working at the assumption that the price of plex is constantly increasing, that constant is 23% per year. Thanks. Then I interpreted and stated it correctly. What?!?! Where? you've claimed "17%", and you've refused to explain how you reached that figure. Dave stark has smashed out more figures than you have in a single post. You've also had 2 people provide you with 4 month periods as well as me telling you 4 places that mark the end of 4 months periods you can look at the rises with you own calculations.
As with all of these posts you've provided precisely zero evidence, just your own statements of opinion. Then you've harped on about how everyone must provide you evidence. Then when people have provided that, you've completely ignored it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3275
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:21:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period? Yes that is a 4 month period. Who has delivered figures for that period? Or what the living **** are you on about? Sigh...
Muppet Beldrulf wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5% 1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8% Source The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:22:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period? Yes that is a 4 month period. Who has delivered figures for that period? Or what the living **** are you on about?
Muppet Beldrulf wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5% 1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8%
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3275
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:25:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period? Yes that is a 4 month period. Who has delivered figures for that period? Or what the living **** are you on about? Muppet Beldrulf wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5% 1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8% Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger.  *Makes incredibly racially insensitive kung fu noises*
Not my fault, I've been replaying sleeping dogs and watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights ("Do you know praying mantis?"). The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:28:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mag's wrote:Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger.  *Makes incredibly racially insensitive kung fu noises* Not my fault, I've been replaying sleeping dogs and watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights ("Do you know praying mantis?"). I have my wife show me that whilst... *cough*
Sleeping dogs, yea it keeps crashing on me. Works for a few hours some times, others simply crashes all the time. Odd stuff and tried everything.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:28:00 -
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I think you'll find those peaks also correspond with events that caused a greater demand for PLEX, causing the prices to escalate relatively quickly until market forces balanced things out again...
.... just like the situation we have now.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:30:00 -
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the 4 month growth rate for plex, is erm... 70/9 = 7.8%, give or take.
just you know, for the sake of completeness. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:100% of nothing is nothing. Thanks for admitting you got nothing. ------------ |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:32:00 -
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I think with all the reason and justification having been provided by some excellent posts, that the possibility of CCP manipulating it's own PLEX price for them to receive at least a temporary increase in revenue, is still a possibility. And might even be slightly more probable of a possibility. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Salvos Rhoska
1127
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:33:00 -
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Now deduct ISK inflation from that. ------------ |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:33:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:100% of nothing is nothing. Thanks for admitting you got nothing.
he also pointed out, one of two situations. you have also produced nothing, or you can't do maths. having said that, they are kind of the same thing in this context. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:34:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mag's wrote:Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger.  *Makes incredibly racially insensitive kung fu noises* Not my fault, I've been replaying sleeping dogs and watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights ("Do you know praying mantis?"). I have my wife show me that whilst... *cough* Sleeping dogs, yea it keeps crashing on me. Works for a few hours some times, others simply crashes all the time. Odd stuff and tried everything. ps3 *shrug*. I like consoles for that whole "it pretty much just works" approach. The notable exception being the DLC for fallout 3, which pretty much grinds the console to a halt every few minutes. Sleeping dogs is a pretty good game though.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:34:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Now deduct ISK inflation from that.
source that isk inflation is actually a thing? |

Salvos Rhoska
1127
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:source that isk inflation is actually a thing? Source that it isn't. ------------ |

Dave Stark
4943
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:35:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:source that isk inflation is actually a thing? Source that it isn't.
you put the argument forward, the burden of proof is upon you.
however if you'd like to admit you're full of ****, we'll gladly sit here and be smug about it. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3285
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:37:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Now deduct ISK inflation from that. Which is what right now? And you mean to tell me your 17% was after deduction? I call bullshit on that one, and am going to have to once again ask you to provide your evidence on how you reached that figure.
Edit: bear in mind that you must be expecting us to deduct at least 4% from those figures to bring it down to your 17%, meaning your raw increase is ~21%, which the data simply doesn't support. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:source that isk inflation is actually a thing? Source that it isn't. you put the argument forward, the burden of proof is upon you. however if you'd like to admit you're full of ****, we'll gladly sit here and be smug about it.
Inflation of ISK in EVE is no different than any other economic fiscal system. It depends primarily, and centrally, on how much currency there is in circulation. The value of ISK in EVE is determined completely by how many players, and how actively, they are generating ISK from faucets, vs destroying it in sinks. Whatever the actual f% resulting from that, usually considered from the price of a breadbasket of various commodities, this sytem is always in effect, and there is always inflation or deflation occuring.
That is proof of its existance. Now where is your proof of the non-existance of inflation in EVE? ------------ |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5609
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think with all the reason and justification having been provided by some excellent posts, that the possibility of CCP manipulating it's own PLEX price for them to receive at least a temporary increase in revenue, is still a possibility. And might even be slightly more probable of a possibility. So you are proposing that CCP is hard at work using their "methods" to lower PLEX prices in ISK on the player market to encourage more people to use them, thus raising demand, thus increasing their income from cash sales of PLEX (since the ISK price they are sold for doesn't change CCP's income from PLEX sales, only volume sold).
Excellent. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:44:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:source that isk inflation is actually a thing? Source that it isn't. you put the argument forward, the burden of proof is upon you. however if you'd like to admit you're full of ****, we'll gladly sit here and be smug about it. Inflation of ISK in EVE is no different than any other economic fiscal system. It depends primarily, and centrally, on how much currency there is in circulation. The value of ISK in EVE is determined completely by how many players, and how actively, they are generating ISK from faucets, vs destroying it in sinks. Whatever the actual f% resulting from that, usually considered from the price of a breadbasket of various commodities, this sytem is always in effect, and there is always inflation or deflation occuring. That is proof of its existance. Now where is your proof of the non-existance of inflation in EVE?
no, that's not proof of it's existence, that's you babbling on for a paragraph.
now then; source to your claim or get back in your cave, troll. |
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