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Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:53:00 -
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36$ for 3 months is cheap. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
431
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:CCP start losing the instant an account closes down, because it means either means a direct reduction in income or a reduction in demand for income-generating PLEX.
And this is the myth we need to squash. Sure, losing subscription hurts CCP immediately, but not PLEXed accounts. The effect those accounts have are entirely implied, not actually witnessed. Since such things are not going to directly hurt PLEX revenue for CCP, we cannot quantify those events as significant enough to impact PLEX pricing by themselves.
The rate at which PLEX is sold is entirely disconnected from the rate at which PLEX is consume as gametime and thus cannot be used as a universal variable of the health of the balance sheet.
SOE had (has?) a similar faux way of accounting their revenues. They don't consider Sony Cash to be a product they are selling, they only account for second tier purchases using SC as revenue. Now that is certainly a good way to confuse the community, but the Securities and Exchange Commission will have words to say about it if it were done that way officially.
CCP's concern orientation, in regards to revenue generation, should be on PLEX sales and Subscriptions. That is why they are loading up on PLEX based services, rather than intentionally driving down the price of PLEX.
What you can do with PLEX is why people buy it with ISK. ISK is why people sell PLEX. The higher the value of them, the more that will be purchased from CCP. It doesn't matter how many are actually on the ingame market, it really doesn't so long as people keep buying them.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21108
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:26:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:And this is the myth we need to squash. Sure, losing subscription hurts CCP immediately, but not PLEXed accounts. The effect those accounts have are entirely implied, not actually witnessed. Since such things are not going to directly hurt PLEX revenue for CCP, we cannot quantify those events as significant enough to impact PLEX pricing by themselves. Directly, no. Indirectly, yes. Because it means they have to replace an ensured subscription purchase, repeated monthly, with a much less certain purchase of a non-essential, non-reoccurring service. The only real difference between this loss and the loss of a subscription is that they can at least attempt that kind of replacement.
Quote:What you can do with PLEX is why people buy it with ISK. ISK is why people sell PLEX. The higher the value of them, the more that will be purchased from CCP. There really is nothing that supports this. It's a neat assumption, but if it really were true, we should see an impact on the market, and we don't.
Quote:It doesn't matter how many are actually on the ingame market, it really doesn't so long as people keep buying them. See, here's the contradiction: if it doesn't matter how many there are on the in-game market, then the price isn't a factor in the decision to buy or not to buy (since it's the number on the market that dictates the price), which in turn would mean that a higher value does not equate more being sold. Arguably, more might be sold if there is a higher service value GÇö if you can use your PLEX for more stuff GÇö but the ISK value would once again be a non-factor. This would be consistent with what the market is actually exhibiting, but only exactly because we don't connect higher (ISK) value with higher sales.
So sure, GÇ£the higher the value of them, the more that will be purchased from CCPGÇ¥ may indeed be true, but only if we talk about something different from ISK value, so its connection with the conspiracy theory that CCP would want to push prices higher is tenuous at best. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
431
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:02:00 -
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I don't believe CCP would risk playing with the PLEX market. They rely too much on buyer confidence to risk the backlash.
That said, I still don't see that CCP could consider PLEXed accounts going inactive as a loss of revenue. Sure they can make projections about it, but that doesn't actually change anything. Many people buy and sell PLEX in bulk, so those transactions aren't necessarily going to show a fluid market history.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21111
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:21:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:That said, I still don't see that CCP could consider PLEXed accounts going inactive as a loss of revenue. Sure they can make projections about it, but that doesn't actually change anything. Oh sure. They'd be slapped all kinds of silly if they tried to put it on the books as such, but it's still something that will reduce their ensured income. It also hurts the big PR numbers GÇö subscribers and concurrent user count GÇö which doesn't look good for investors or in the media.
Quote:Many people buy and sell PLEX in bulk, so those transactions aren't necessarily going to show a fluid market history. Probably not per individual, no. However, if we look at the kind of daily and weekly compound numbers that now exist in the longer-term data collections, we see that on the whole, it is a surprisingly stable flow. Really, the tricky part as I see it is that we can't distinguish between new PLEX and stockpiling (either stock being released or collected, or even just exchanged between two different piles) GÇö only that the number of trades is surprisingly constant.
So if people are buying more PLEX because of the high price, either someone is really betting the (real-life) farm that it'll keep increasing, which is pretty silly since they could just as well wait until the price is higher and purchase the PLEX then, or they should show up as trades. Or, they do show up as trades, but are being cancelled out by fewer people just buying PLEX for actual usage, which means CCP is losing customers for the services PLEX are supposed to provide. This option is arguably even more worrisome for CCP since that bubble will burst eventually. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1170

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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:03:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
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Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the well being and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21115
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:13:00 -
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For the record, explaining that someone's argument is fallacious is not a personal attack. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
362
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Posted - 2014.04.20 05:05:00 -
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Nice, it's good to see that the 100% proven fact that it is possible CCP could be manipulating it's own PLEX prices to rise is not considered rumour mongering, which I never doubted would be considered so since it is impossible to prove that it's not a possibility.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21131
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Posted - 2014.04.20 05:08:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Nice, it's good to see that the 100% proven fact that it is possible CCP could be manipulating it's own PLEX prices GǪwhich was never the question and which is a vacuous truth regardless. Oh, and it's not a 100% proven fact either.
Quote:since it is impossible to prove that it's not a possibility. Really? Prove it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2014.04.20 05:16:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Nice, it's good to see that the 100% proven fact that it is possible CCP could be manipulating it's own PLEX prices to rise is not considered rumour mongering, which I never doubted would be considered so since it is impossible to prove that it's not a possibility.
Possible? Sure. A lot of things are possible.
Likely? No. Things like that tend to come out, I can't see it being worth it for CCP.
I once knew someone who believed in Bigfoot and that there was another gunman on the Kennedy assassination. My response was to explain a theory, that I had just created, that Bigfoot was the shooter on the grassy knoll. It would explain why he has been so difficult to find. (The CIA helps him to hide - quid pro quo.)
Possible? Sure. Likely? No. I will admit, though, that your theory is far more likely than this one. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
363
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Posted - 2014.04.20 05:22:00 -
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Also ISD Ezwal, thanks for removing Tippia's disgusting personal attacks. The personal attacks he likes to ledger against people he disagrees with is an abomination of forum posting that degrades the value EvE and it's forums has to offer. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

SB Rico
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2014.04.20 06:32:00 -
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So the OP seems to feel CCP allow high plex prices to force people to pay subscription fees instead...
Well that would be insanity.
CCP makes more money from people plexing accounts than from those paying a monthly subscription.
Player A pays a monthly sub then buys a plex to make some isk. Player B subs through plex but that is equivalent to paying for the game through player A's credit card at a higher rate than player A's subscription.
Remember every plex was bought from CCP at a higher rate than a monthly subscription.
The effect of lowering plex prices by CCP would decrease their income however as less people would buy plex to sell.
Lower it too far and we would see a reduction in plex purchases therefore a reduction in plex availability leading to a reduction in subscribers.... you can't buy what isn't there.
Now Player A still pays their monthly sub but does not invest in the plex as they don't think it is worth enough isk. Now Player B, C, D and E who plex are fighting for the same plex.
There is within this a happy medium for CCP where the isk return encourages Player A to buy the plex, but is not so high that Player B can't afford to buy it in game. This is what is driving the price up, as long as people pay the market price then the demand is there and the price and availability increase. Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1707
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Posted - 2014.04.20 06:35:00 -
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Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
Possible? Sure. A lot of things are possible.
Likely? No. Things like that tend to come out, I can't see it being worth it for CCP.
I once knew someone who believed in Bigfoot and that there was another gunman on the Kennedy assassination. My response was to explain a theory, that I had just created, that Bigfoot was the shooter on the grassy knoll. It would explain why he has been so difficult to find. (The CIA helps him to hide - quid pro quo.)
Possible? Sure. Likely? No. I will admit, though, that your theory is far more likely than this one.
Setting aside the in-game economy for a moment, PLEX itself is a little bit ugly, when it comes to the books. Until it's redeemed, a plex is kind of floating out there as 30 days of game time that CCP owes. It works out better for CCP when plex is bought, quickly resold, then redeemed.
It's almost like a gift card, in a way. Stores do not like it when you buy a gift card, and just hang on to it. Sure, the store got $50 from you, but they also owe you $50. You can't reflect that as actual income until goods or services are purchased. Example: I buy a $50 gift card. I buy an item priced at $50, that cost $25 wholesale. Store has made $25 in net profit.
CCP is in the same boat with plex. They can't actually show the net profit off of a plex until it's actually redeemed and out of the system. If anything, CCP would want to drive the in-game cost of PLEX downwards. The faster the plex cycles out and gets redeemed, the quicker CCP has solid numbers to use for income (Plex redeemed out of system today nets $19.95 minus, lets say, $4 per account/month in expenses. Maybe in a month, those expenses go up to $7 per account/month).
That's why I really doubt CCP is manipulating plex price upwards. The real life profit of a plex doesn't hit on the front side, like an account sub. It only hits on the back side, when the plex is redeemed out. Manipulating prices upward would encourage hoarding and holding. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21131
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Posted - 2014.04.20 06:44:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:CCP is in the same boat with plex. They can't actually show the net profit off of a plex until it's actually redeemed and out of the system. If anything, CCP would want to drive the in-game cost of PLEX downwards. The faster the plex cycles out and gets redeemed, the quicker CCP has solid numbers to use for income (Plex redeemed out of system today nets $19.95 minus, lets say, $4 per account/month in expenses. Maybe in a month, those expenses go up to $7 per account/month). Come to think of it, this finally provides a sane reason to keep the NeX around and trying to fill it with valuable goods even though the code was never finished and the context that was supposed provide that value has been all but abandoned.
Converting to AUR means that they can finally recognise the profit and yet, in-game, almost nothing has happened. The player now has an item (or a parallel not-quite-currency) that is worth roughly as much as the PLEX was and should be a happy camper, and the liability of the PLEX is finally taken care of. And that's on top of the expenses for the service rendered being pretty much zero. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1707
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:CCP is in the same boat with plex. They can't actually show the net profit off of a plex until it's actually redeemed and out of the system. If anything, CCP would want to drive the in-game cost of PLEX downwards. The faster the plex cycles out and gets redeemed, the quicker CCP has solid numbers to use for income (Plex redeemed out of system today nets $19.95 minus, lets say, $4 per account/month in expenses. Maybe in a month, those expenses go up to $7 per account/month). Come to think of it, this finally provides a sane reason to keep the NeX around and trying to fill it with valuable goods even though the code was never finished and the context that was supposed provide that value has been all but abandoned. Converting to AUR means that they can finally recognise the profit and yet, in-game, almost nothing has happened. The player now has an item (or a parallel not-quite-currency) that is worth roughly as much as the PLEX was and should be a happy camper, and the liability of the PLEX is finally taken care of. And that's on top of the expenses for the service rendered being pretty much zero.
Exactly, Tippia. Conversely, there are things that have a worse margin for CCP. An AUR conversion may end up netting CCP, hypothetically, $18. Plex for fanfest may only net CCP $5 per plex (again, hypotheticals). Until the plex itself gets processed out and used, ethical budgeting says you assume all plex will net the worst case margin.
I'm sure CCP has an average margin they use, so they aren't tying ALL of the plex value up until redeemed. Even so, hard numbers are better than soft, and until redeemed, the plex isn't reflecting it's full net value. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21131
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:18:00 -
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Also, presumably, PLEX bought to buy any kind of client service are being cashed in very quickly rather than stashed away. The only one I can think of where you might want to have a stockpile of PLEX to be used later is the multi-character training, since you can't apply all at once and have the training permission tick down unprompted for months. And even then, there is an upper limit when dual training no longer becomes a sensible option compared to second account + character transfer, which once again puts the player back on a schedule of (almost) immediately exercise their options.
Speculation on the ISK price seems to be the only PLEX use where there's any real value in holding on to them and causing grey hairs for CCP's accountants. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
84
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:44:00 -
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Soshala Garemoko wrote:... so they pay more to CCCP Ah, yes! That's communism for you.
Hint for those too young to remember.
CCCP is the Cyrillic spelling of USSR. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1258
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, presumably, PLEX bought to buy any kind of client service are being cashed in very quickly rather than stashed away. The only one I can think of where you might want to have a stockpile of PLEX to be used later is the multi-character training, since you can't apply all at once and have the training permission tick down unprompted for months. And even then, there is an upper limit when dual training no longer becomes a sensible option compared to second account + character transfer, which once again puts the player back on a schedule of (almost) immediately exercise their options.
Speculation on the ISK price seems to be the only PLEX use where there's any real value in holding on to them and causing grey hairs for CCP's accountants. You can have them tick down now for multiple months. No time limit any more that I am aware of. |

Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
126
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:31:00 -
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This smells all very overcomplicated to me. Heres what I think happened:
Dude 1 is looking for PLEX. Going rate is 600 mill. He buys it. Dude 2 is selling PLEX. Has plenty of time, so puts it up for 610 Dude 3 sees selling for 610 and puts it up for 615 Dude 4 only sees the 615 cos all 600 and 610 were sold. He puts it up for 620
In the meantime PLEX is being sold higher and higher. ISK has inflated like mad. It will get worse when refining changes hits. There will be even less goods compared to the total ISK pool. As of summer the prices will rise more. So CCP has a major influence. But its not directly and its not planned or deliberately used to influence PLEX-pricing.
PLEX price is up so much because ISK is worth alot less. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21131
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:35:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:You can have them tick down now for multiple months. No time limit any more that I am aware of. Neat. So not even that reason exists any more. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2233
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Posted - 2014.04.20 11:25:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:Soshala Garemoko wrote:... so they pay more to CCCP Ah, yes! That's communism for you. Hint for those too young to remember. CCCP is the Cyrillic spelling of USSR.
CCCP = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
A Soviet being roughly equivalent to an English local church parish.
Just me showing off  This is not a signature. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
610
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:32:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:This smells all very overcomplicated to me. Heres what I think happened:
Dude 1 is looking for PLEX. Going rate is 600 mill. He buys it. Dude 2 is selling PLEX. Has plenty of time, so puts it up for 610 Dude 3 sees selling for 610 and puts it up for 615 Dude 4 only sees the 615 cos all 600 and 610 were sold. He puts it up for 620
In the meantime PLEX is being sold higher and higher. ISK has inflated like mad. It will get worse when refining changes hits. There will be even less goods compared to the total ISK pool. As of summer the prices will rise more. So CCP has a major influence. But its not directly and its not planned or deliberately used to influence PLEX-pricing.
PLEX price is up so much because ISK is worth alot less.
Not everything is inflating.
To name just a few thigns that have dropped in price compared to 6-12 months ago ... most Pi items, especially P4s ... many mats including Trit, all of the SOE ships though as predicted they stabilised at 2.0 ISK/LP, the Rattlesnake with BPCs dropping below 250 mill on occasion. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:38:00 -
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Wow, Tippias comment got edited by an ISD for a personal attack. In some other thread, I spotted Tippia making a spelling mistake.
And Chribba seems a little more aggressive than usual.
I'm female and a much nicer person now!
Humanity is changing!
The horror ........... |

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19112
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:39:00 -
[174] - Quote
problem?
infection?
what are you talking about??  Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3416
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:40:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Wow, Tippias comment got edited by an ISD for a personal attack. In some other thread, I spotted Tippia making a spelling mistake.
And Chribba seems a little more aggressive than usual.
I'm female and a much nicer person now!
Humanity is changing!
The horror ...........
I want to lick your face now that it has changed *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Wow, Tippias comment got edited by an ISD for a personal attack. In some other thread, I spotted Tippia making a spelling mistake.
And Chribba seems a little more aggressive than usual.
I'm female and a much nicer person now!
Humanity is changing!
The horror ........... I want to lick your face now that it has changed That's ... very nice.
Let's not derail the thread. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3416
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:47:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
That's ... very nice.
Let's not derail the thread.
Im not, I think thats worth a PLEX, which helps stimulate the economy *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19112
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Posted - 2014.04.20 13:43:00 -
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1 free PLEX for every active character! \ /
BTW I still don't understand how CCP force us to buy PLEX. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Vesago
Amalgamated Steel
11
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:34:00 -
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I think that if you look at it in the long run you will see that the economy has been growing as time goes by. Back when plex were 300 mil, Trit was trading around the 2-3 isk mark. Since everything in the game is getting more expensive, the cost of Plex is going up as well. I would have to say that on average the plex is staying in line with the rate of inflation in Eve. Recently there has been a spike, and i think that we will see the trading prices of materials and ships go up right along with it.
The market for plex in game isnt a matter of CCP trying to get richer through plex sales. I will concede that plex does offer CCP a bit more revenue, however, Every time they sell a plex, someone doesnt pay thier monthly subscription. It is a way for the players that invest the effort in game can play for free, and those who want to wantonly destroy and be destroyed dont have to spend thier game time grinding out isk to pay for ships.
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Kontrapshun
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:39:00 -
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Let's see.
How can I play this game for free? 1) I will buy Plex with in game ISK. Why pay RL money for something that is earned so easy in game with normal game play. No matter the cost, it's well within reach of any player to earn a months play time in game.
Why would I want to buy a GTC? 1) I'm a new player that has no skills, time or experience and I think getting ahead quickly is buying expensive junk so I throw RL money at this game to get ahead, but quickly realize I was wrong.
Why would Plex be more expensive? 1) Because there are fewer new players buying GTC's.
Expect prices to rise and rise the closer Star Citizen gets to launch.... yes, it's that game that will kill this one, if CCP doesn't change their model and create a better solo experience. CCP has already abandoned any real advancements to this game and only give tiny updates to calm the entrenched Free player base.
Honestly, anyone who pays RL money to play this game as is, is missing the EVE way "the ever popular " Don't pay for, what you can afford to Steal, or let some new player pay for"... It's only required to pay RL money when you first start this game, after that you're just doing it wrong if you do. |
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