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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:14:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:So it's proven you don't know what you can't know Nope. That's just you stating a baseless opinion which is, once again, 100% disproven by reality. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:15:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: I'd have thought with you playing EvE for so many years that you'd have learned the price history chart doesn't cover those things.
I did not say it did. You just needed a strawman to attack since you lack any basic knowledge of how the game's economy functions. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:15:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:
It's an informed opinion, however.
Whatever makes you feel better. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4710
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:16:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So it's proven you don't know what you can't know, but you believe strongly.
OK cool, it's nice to see you finally acknowledge that you can't know the unknowable. Price history charts are available in the game client, dumbass. Do you even economics? Did you know that the Price History charts only show what happens through the EvE market? It does not take contracts into consideration. It does not take player to player trades into consideration.
What percentage of total PLEX traded would you accept as a viable value for these "private" trades between player entities?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So it's proven you don't know what you can't know Nope. That's just you stating a baseless opinion which is, once again, 100% disproven by reality.
So then you claim to know that which you cannot.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1713
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:17:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So it's proven you don't know what you can't know Nope. That's just you stating a baseless opinion which is, once again, 100% disproven by reality. So then you claim to know that which you cannot.
We have a regular Socrates in this thread. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6078
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:19:00 -
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Everytime plex prices rise, it exposes something nasty about some people.
If a plex costs 750 mil, a person would have to generate 25 million isk per day to plex. If you can't generate 25 mil in 24 hours, you sholdn't be plexing.
What happens is that people get spolied being able to play the game for 'free'. The past cheapness of plex has led some to create these unsustainable Alt empires, then plex prices rise, reality sets in, and instead of realizing "hey, maybe I didn't need my 16 alts and my own supercapital fleet" the get mad and start imagining conspiracies because someone must be trying to screw with them... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:20:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:So then you claim to know that which you cannot. Nope. That's just you inventing a strawman because reality contradicts your uninformed assumptions and you have nowhere else to go.
The fact remains: we have the data; we have the dev statements; we have a solid theory on consumer behaviour. You are trying to contradict all of this with an unproven hypothesis that relies on complete irrationality on everyone's part, which you haven't been able to explain.
You have proven absolutely nothing, and instead lied about it, as you always do when your uninformed arguments lead nowhere (like they always do). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:20:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote: What percentage of total PLEX traded would you accept as a realistic value for these "private" trades between player entities?
What I feel would be a percentage to determine a realistic value is inconsequential because ultimately, who am I? CCP could answer all of the questions with their facts, being the deciding factor on what is and what isn't. Anything in the mean time is pure speculation, because we are not given the tools necessary to know for a fact what the truth is. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:22:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Anything in the mean time is pure speculation Nope. because we have all the data we actually need GÇö the game generously provides us with it.
Just because you choose to stay uninformed doesn't mean that everyone else is speculating. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So then you claim to know that which you cannot. Nope. That's just you inventing a strawman because reality contradicts your uninformed assumptions and you have nowhere else to go. The fact remains: we have the data; we have the dev statements; we have a solid theory on consumer behaviour. You are trying to contradict all of this with an unproven hypothesis that relies on complete irrationality on everyone's part, which you haven't been able to explain. You have proven absolutely nothing, and instead lied about it, as you always do.
So you disagree to my saying you know, and you disagree to saying you don't know. One can, and one cannot be true. One is a truth, the other is the opposite of a truth. A lie. Making you someone who is willing to lie for the sake of continuing an argument.
More proof to me that any communication with you is ultimately a waste of time, because at any point in the conversation you could decide to begin not telling the truth. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4711
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:22:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Doc Fury wrote: What percentage of total PLEX traded would you accept as a realistic value for these "private" trades between player entities?
What I feel would be a percentage to determine a realistic value is inconsequential because ultimately, who am I? CCP could answer all of the questions with their facts, being the deciding factor on what is and what isn't. Anything in the mean time is pure speculation, because we are not given the tools necessary to know for a fact what the truth is.
O.K. so how exactly are you coming to your conclusions without real data or even extrapolated data? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:24:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Doc Fury wrote: What percentage of total PLEX traded would you accept as a realistic value for these "private" trades between player entities?
What I feel would be a percentage to determine a realistic value is inconsequential because ultimately, who am I? CCP could answer all of the questions with their facts, being the deciding factor on what is and what isn't. Anything in the mean time is pure speculation, because we are not given the tools necessary to know for a fact what the truth is. O.K. so how exactly are you coming to your conclusions without data or even extrapolated data?
Conclusions on what? To prevent any misunderstanding I would appreciate it if you were more precise in exactly what it is you're asking of me. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:26:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:So you disagree to my saying you know, and you disagree to saying you don't know. Nope. I'm disagreeing with you saying that I say any number of things, since I haven't said them GÇö they're only strawmen you've invented because you have no way of actually arguing the point.
Quote:More proof to me that any communication with you is ultimately a waste of time, because GǪevery time you try, your fallacies are immediately exposed, as is your wilful ignorance about the topic at hand. So you should stop trying to rely on fallacies and instead try to inform yourself. Then the communication will not be so wasteful any more. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
116
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:29:00 -
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As Tippia mentioned, high ISK per PLEX could, if anything, reduce PLEX supply, not raise it.
Because the majority of people buy PLEX (with cash) because they need ISK, not because they want ISK.
If you want ISK, you play for ISK, so you'll have ISK-positive toons (e.g. traders, miners, industrialists) so what would you need PLEX for?
Otoh, if you play for spaceship violence, you'll probably have ISK-negative toons (PVPers) that need ISK injection. So you buy PLEX and sell it ingame for ISK.
You buy based on your need: you lose 1B ISK per month? You buy 2 PLEX if they're 'worth' 500M, just one if it's worth 1B.
So when PLEX prices rise, I'd assume you either buy less or maybe the same amount (because that's the 'fun' budget you've decided to spend anyway) and fit a few more shiny mods on your soon-to-be-dead PVP ships. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So it's proven you don't know what you can't know Nope. That's just you stating a baseless opinion which is, once again, 100% disproven by reality.
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So then you claim to know that which you cannot. Nope. That's just you inventing a strawman because reality contradicts your uninformed assumptions and you have nowhere else to go.
This is your champion?
Someone who so easily contradicts himself within 2 posts? Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

mr ed thehouseofed
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
885
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:35:00 -
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as someone who was born in the 60's. i blame teenagers 
grrrrr teenagers   real gamers only need one toon . i want a eve pinball machine make it so CCP |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:36:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:This is your champion?
Someone who so easily contradicts himself within 2 posts? Too bad there's no contradiction. You know that thing I said about reality disproving youGǪ?
It's nice to see you've moved on to ad hominems, though, since that shows a lot about how tenuous you have come to realise your attempt at an argument is. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:36:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:As Tippia mentioned, high ISK per PLEX could, if anything, reduce PLEX supply, not raise it.
Yea, it could. I never said it could not. It could also very well increase PLEX supply by more people having bought it hoping to get in on the higher value only to find there aren't enough buyers at the present time to satisfy their attempt at making as much isk they were hoping to, deciding to hold onto it for the potential of fulfilling their initially desired amount of isk.
possibility Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:This is your champion?
Someone who so easily contradicts himself within 2 posts? Too bad there's no contradiction. You know that thing I said about reality disproving youGǪ?
Except the reality is you can't know, yet you'll deny that you don't know.
Before you state some asinine comment:
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So it's proven you don't know what you can't know Nope. That's just you stating a baseless opinion which is, once again, 100% disproven by reality.
The reality being you can't know, a reality you deny. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Salvos Rhoska
1110
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:39:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
This is your champion?
Someone who so easily contradicts himself within 2 posts?
Shes a champ. At defeating herself in argument.
Its like watching Don Quixote dry humping windmills. ------------ |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:39:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It could also very well increase PLEX supply Explain why people would buy something they can't use. Explain how the price would keep going up if they do.
Divine Entervention wrote:Except the reality is you can't know, yet you'll deny that you don't know. Nope. That's just you inventing yet another strawman. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
262
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:39:00 -
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When you type "CCP" in Wingdings, you get two thumbs up.... and a white flag.
COINCIDENCE? Core Skills | EVE Music |

masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1714
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:41:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: possibility
But not one supported to logic or facts. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:43:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:When you type "CCP" in Wingdings, you get two thumbs up.... and a white flag.
COINCIDENCE?
Wow! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It could also very well increase PLEX supply Explain why people would buy something they can't use. Explain how the price would keep going up if they do. Divine Entervention wrote:Except the reality is you can't know, yet you'll deny that you don't know. Nope. That's just you inventing yet another strawman.
Because at the moment they might believe they could potentially use it.
On the upswing of the price rise, people could be enticed into purchasing PLEX from ccp hoping to sell it for it's at the moment higher worth.
If the price were going up, the price would keep going up if they're being bought, resulting in PLEX sellers continuing to try and get more worth out of the PLEX.
And it's not me inventing a strawman if it's me quoting you. It's the evidence. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
118
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:49:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:As Tippia mentioned, high ISK per PLEX could, if anything, reduce PLEX supply, not raise it.
Yea, it could. I never said it could not. It could also very well increase PLEX supply by more people having bought it hoping to get in on the higher value only to find there aren't enough buyers at the present time to satisfy their attempt at making as much isk they were hoping to, deciding to hold onto it for the potential of fulfilling their initially desired amount of isk. possibility That's way too complicated for your typical PLEX buyer, a guy that dishes out 20 bucks because he just wants to play the darn game without the hassle of grinding PVE or setting up an ISK-making toon or speculating on PLEX futures. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
351
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:51:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote: That's way too complicated for your typical PLEX buyer, a guy that dishes out 20 bucks because he just wants to play the darn game without the hassle of grinding PVE or setting up an ISK-making toon or speculating on PLEX futures.
Yes, this opinion about the intelligence level of other EvE players is a very valid opinion you are allowed to have. I'm certain in some instances it is correct. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21087
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:53:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Because at the moment they might believe they could potentially use it. If the price were going up, the price would keep going up if they're being bought But that's not what I was asking. I was asking how do you explain that the price goes up when they aren't being bought.
If your irrationality is in effect, the price must go down, and yet it doesn't. You need to explain this.
Quote:And it's not me inventing a strawman if it's me quoting you. It's the evidence. GǪwhich doesn't show what you say it does. That's why it's a strawman GÇö a lie. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Marsha Mallow
269
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:54:00 -
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DE. I'm going to roleplay along with you and consider you an adorable noob with a massive mouth rather than an argumentative troll. For which I will pick you up, squeeze you, carry you under my arm, and patronise you until you run away and join the circus.
If you want a proper discussion about plex and markets, GO TO MARKET DISCUSSIONS. They have calculators, and Plex, and auditors. They love newbies. Try asking questions before you make assumptions tho - they've been on a diet since Ebank/T4U.
If I don't get an obedient answer before you badpoast again, I'll rip your posts apart one by one, word by word and make Trippia look kind.
Off you go. Or stay  - |
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