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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1298
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Posted - 2014.04.29 17:53:00 -
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This is a huge change to balace the game. Thank you.
The Tears Must Flow |
Sato Page
BLOORDOGY
Dead Space Syndicate
12
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Posted - 2014.04.29 17:56:00 -
[302] - Quote
Thanks Obama! |
Talos Katuma
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
12
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:00:00 -
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I'm getting the feeling this is one more stone that pushes 0.0 for being big coalitions only. |
Shu Guang
Intergalactic Fender benders
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
12
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:00:00 -
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Welcome to another episode of dumb and dumber.
Rubicon 1.1 - CCP celebrates ClusterF**K day.-á |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1298
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:03:00 -
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The first step to fix power projection.
The Tears Must Flow |
Dave Stark
5194
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:09:00 -
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tinfoil time.
so now everyone has switched to caldari shield capitals, let's hike the prices of all the isotopes. i mean, it's not like it's going to give the CFC a nitrogen isotope monopoly-.. oh, wait.... |
Viribus
Love Squad
Pasta Syndicate
237
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:09:00 -
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Thanks for fixing nullsec industry! Now if I want to move my Naglfar I can simply mine the ice belts of Delve for the abundant Hydrogen Isotopes they contain!!! |
Chase Hakoke
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:12:00 -
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This is a good change, but I don't think it goes far enough.
What we need is to have a tax imposed on every jump that goes straight into CFC or PL coffers. Instead of doing all this backend programming work with fuel usage and cargo increases... we can get right to the meat of the issue: ******* over the little guy. I'm sure my PL and CFC broskis will agree that this change is for the best. |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
88
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:13:00 -
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Why do we hate the free market so much. This just crushes small Corporations Logistical Cost. Way to punish capability. Instead of insentivizing success CCP in their socialist wisdom, miss the mark.
IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
Aefolatt Amos Itoga
xX-Crusader-Xx
Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:13:00 -
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It looks like CCP is getting their money back for failure of World of Darkness. 40% price increase of PLEX, buy ships for real money, now increasing prices of fuel etc.... It does not look like:
"In the upcoming Summer release we are making a lot of changes that we expect will impact player behavior surrounding manufacturing, mining and starbase use. We see an opportunity here to make some adjustments to the way that Jump Drives consume their isotope fuel that will hit a few birds with one stone.
The goals of this change are:
Stimulate the isotope (and therefore ice) market to help cushion any drop in demand from players using smaller starbases after the science and industry slot changes.
Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.
Although we don't expect this change to significantly impact behavior around jump drive power projection, it should at least provide a small incentive change through higher costs for moving huge capital fleets often. "
More like:
we want you to spend more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
:D
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1Robert McNamara1
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
58
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:14:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We're going to go ahead and use Resgo's suggestion. Instead of the increase in fuel bay size we will decrease the volume of isotopes by 1/3. OP updated.
Please take a step back and examine this closer.
This change impacts:
- Ice compression (pretty big nerf to this)
- Fuel Block compression (now an expansion)
- Does nothing to help PI people impacted by the 'pre-buff' to the ice market anticipating mass POS withdraw
Overall:
- Not convinced the POS withdraw will be as massive, is there data to support this?
- If it is substantiated, what are you doing for PI markets to shore them up?
- I thought the Industry guys hadn't given final word on how to make multiple RnD/Build modules on a single POS an incentive... does this mean they've abandoned that model entirely?
- Coalitions like mine, apparently, have the scratch to deal with these price changes. Smaller 'bottom up' entities probably don't. - this increases the barrier to entry for new/starting groups.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
660
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:23:00 -
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can't help but notice that all of the 'but it will hurt small alliances!' objections are from enormous nullscrub blob coalitions |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1298
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:24:00 -
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CCP starts poking the "elephant in the room", entitled people start to cry.
Power projection is huge problem in this game and this is the first step to fix it. Props to CCP.
The Tears Must Flow |
Mr Hyde113
Origin.
Black Legion.
130
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:25:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Mr Hyde113 wrote:Wait, you guys have got time to tinker around with fuel cost and volume but you don't have enough time to give the Revelation a real second bonus? Priorities  it has a real second bonus.
No it doesn't. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:26:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:can't help but notice that all of the 'but it will hurt small alliances!' objections are from enormous nullscrub blob coalitions
I'm not even really sure what the large nullsec coalition folks (including those in my own "blob coalition") are worried about. The cost increase is absolutely trivial and the logistics of carrying the fuel have not changed.
The RZR dude has a fair point, though -- you may want to revisit compressed ice volumes and ensure they're brought in line with the changes made here.
This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Paul Tsukaya
Tsukaya Light Industries
78
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:33:00 -
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Still waiting on someone from the likes of Mordus Angels, Dirt Nap Squad, IRED, Triumvirate, Sev3rance etc to weigh in on how this change will effect their small alliance.
I think we've heard enough from the CFC how much the small alliances they care about so very very much will suffer. |
Dave Stark
5194
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:35:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:can't help but notice that all of the 'but it will hurt small alliances!' objections are from enormous nullscrub blob coalitions
that's because changes like this have forced them to the brink of extinction, and even if they did post they're so rare and unheard of you wouldn't notice who they are anyway. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2830
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:36:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:I think Fozzie's board room meetings to discuss changes consists of him sitting in front of a mirror.
This one change just nerfed all of the bonus's you gave null sec industry.
Please.....
25 million ISK increase in transportation cost, 50 million round trip.
And null sec is being handed a buff of at least 10%, maybe as high as 25%, when all factors are calculated, including the ones that the dev's have promised in the blog but not implemented.
Even if your manufacturing costs have gone down only 10%, do you seriously expect anyone to believe you are still not making out like bandits?
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
xXFreshnessXx
Origin.
Black Legion.
1
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:38:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:can't help but notice that all of the 'but it will hurt small alliances!' objections are from enormous nullscrub blob coalitions
Well you could say maybe it's because a lot of the "nullscrubs" as you put it don't want to be slaves of their masters and want more independence and the game is slowly making that a least viable option. I'd say almost every player in this game wants to be independent to a certain degree and possibly start a corp or alliance with one of their alts in hopes of it becoming something bigger or being able to live nomadic like and still plex their accounts. With changes like this they are being forced.. or rather more inclined to stay within there fat alliances or coalitions OR even perhaps join/merge in to one. Players want to play the game for free rather than be independent and subscribe their accounts, which tells you what they think of the game.
All these changes scream, more blobs, coaltion members, more tidi, more inflation, more plex buying. Also you should be glad we are looking out for you, the little guys, smaller alliances and other players in general. Don't stop being cool.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises
StarFleet.
171
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:40:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:CCP starts poking the "elephant in the room", entitled people start to cry.
Power projection is huge problem in this game and this is the first step to fix it. Props to CCP.
Power projection does need to be fixed. Personally I like an idea of where you need to wait 5 minutes after you jump before you can do it again, like how bomb launching works.
But the issue here is what CCP Fozzie proposed is actually dumb.
Quote:The goals of this change are: (changed to ordered list)
- Stimulate the isotope (and therefore ice) market to help cushion any drop in demand from players using smaller starbases after the science and industry slot changes.
- Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.
- ....provide a small incentive change through higher costs for moving huge capital fleets often.
1. Not many people will change the POSs, I can see some minor changes in high sec, but people with the small towers will be wardeced now that they must have the prints (Originals or copies) in the POS. The lower HP means its way, way easier to hit.
2. .
First: Local resources, you only have one type of isotopes in a region, so this is already an invalid point.
Second: People don't mine the isotopes because they are **** prices vs Dark glitter, CCP needs to either nerf it or modify all ice.
3. I said before, groups willing to use capitals typically replace them. If it is an alliance that hands out fuel (most do as far as i know when its an alliance op), that is maybe the cost of one dread reimbursement if they are moving +100 capitals.
All CCP would do is make it harder for smaller groups or individuals. This change is a terrible idea and should be scrapped. |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
222
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:47:00 -
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I love when Fozzie drops terrible ideas and then disappears into the mists- it makes me feel like a valued customer of CCP. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
379
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
To compensate for the extra isotopes that ships will need to carry, the volume of all four isotopes will be reduced by 1/3, to 0.1m3. Thanks to Resgo for some excellent feedback.[/b]
The storage volume of jump bridge starbase structures will be increased by 50% since Ozone volume won't be changing.
For reference, this will increase the cost of running a max skilled Rhea from Jita to RIT-A7 (jump drive transit the whole way) from ~50m isk to ~75m isk.
Without get into whether this is a necessary or beneficial change... Should I bother to compress ice now? Seems like that removes some of the reason to compress.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
558
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:54:00 -
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CCP - congrats you finally found that last nail.
Looking forward to the layoffs next Christmas
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures
Un.Bound
99
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:01:00 -
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Isn't jacking up industry export costs going to make nullsec production less competitive, not more? What are you even trying to do here, CCP? |
Feuerm0nd
UK Corp
RAZOR Alliance
7
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:01:00 -
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OK just to sum it up:
Jumping any capital will be 50 % more expensive and bridging is still cheap as ****.
Manufacturing in 00 was ment to be buffed with this expansion but it nerfed.
Small alliances that could be a thread to any big coalition (and thus create content!!!!) are nerfed to ineffectiveness and their life is made even more expensive with this (Small alliances don-¦t have the money creating capabilities of big coalitions nor the ratting space for the members).
Why don-¦t you increase the costs of bridging ships with titans? Now it will be worth jumping the first part with a JF to null and than just use titans that bridge your freighter (which can hold 3 times the goods than a JF) to the destination or maybe another "HUB" up in the 00 region where you can switch to a JF to get to the single systems withe the needed fuel /moongoods/materials.
The solution is not to nerf fuel consumption on all capitals but to nerf certain capitals as they are a too big part of power projection. Titans are strategicly important for the movement of big fleets. Big 00 block have them which is fine. But it has to be somewhat expensive to have the advantage to move a fleet directly into the target system instead of moving it through gates.
Also: Supers have the same base fuel usage than carriers but have a bigger mass and a bigger resource consumption for building.
Why do supers need as much fuel as normal carriers for the same jump?
Shouldn-¦t be Titans with their extremely useful strategic options and supers which are important for current 00 warfere/sov warefare be using more fuel so if big alliances use them they pay for the big advantage?
Don-¦t nerf the 00 industry you just try to improve. The minerals you get more with a fully upgraded outpost in 00 are useless if it is too expensive to move the build mods or ships to Highsec/The warzone for actual use. Please don-¦t make the players do the same thing after you focussed too much on walking on stations. Find a way to create more conflicts because without any conflict eve will be boring and the industry (you just revamped) will die due to not enough ships been blown up in wars.
Edit: Also you are nerfing the Blops gangs from small corps alliances that annoy big alliances and after the siphon I thgought ccp wants to improve guerilla warfare possibilities and not nerf them.
PS: This is my personal opinion and not the one of my Alliance or Corparation. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1159
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:02:00 -
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Rena Senn wrote:Isn't jacking up industry export costs going to make nullsec production less competitive, not more? What are you even trying to do here, CCP?
They dont want you competing with highsec. They want highsec to supply (most) of highsec, and for nullsec industry to use local resources and produce for local needs. |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
1208
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:05:00 -
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Man, poor Fozzie. The only way he'll get to 10k likes now is to delete capitals, or something massive to appease the clueless fools crying "power projection" every five minutes.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
379
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:08:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Rena Senn wrote:Isn't jacking up industry export costs going to make nullsec production less competitive, not more? What are you even trying to do here, CCP? They dont want you competing with highsec. They want highsec to supply (most) of highsec, and for nullsec industry to use local resources and produce for local needs.
Movement of things between high, low, and null creates more opportunities for mistake-driven content.
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Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures
Un.Bound
99
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:09:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Rena Senn wrote:Isn't jacking up industry export costs going to make nullsec production less competitive, not more? What are you even trying to do here, CCP? They dont want you competing with highsec. They want highsec to supply (most) of highsec, and for nullsec industry to use local resources and produce for local needs.
So in other words a flat out consumption tax nerf to anyone living outside of null, which includes not just highsec carebears but also lowsec and wormhole dwellers who won't have nullsec docking rights or sufficient risk/reward incentive to purchase out of null even if things are cheaper there. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
5047
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:10:00 -
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Why can't my bucket hold all these bloc tears?! 
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