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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1156
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:46:00 -
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Cost for bridges should go up by more like 500% |
Resgo
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:47:00 -
[32] - Quote
Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7132
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:49:00 -
[33] - Quote
Resgo wrote:Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size. This is a great solution: I would use this instead. Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
103
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:49:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.
Good thing there isn't something like a large coalition that controls all non-NPC nullsec from which nitrogen and oxygen isotopes are mined.
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Loretta Calif
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:49:00 -
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Stop ******* with so many portions of the game at once. Have you learned NOTHING from your past horrible failures at 'balance' passes? Adjust a few things and see what shakes out. You're nerfing the **** out of jump drive ships based on the slight possibility that there might maybe possibly be an issue. Have you ever considered waiting to see if that situation arises? Then adjusting accordingly? Rather than going balls deep straight out of the gate?
Stop treating us like 2 bit whores. We need a little foreplay before you jam the nerf bat up there. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
451
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
[36] - Quote
Resgo wrote:Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size. This is a pretty good solution for keeping blackops battleships from being adversely affected by the change. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department GoonSwarm
33
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Cost for bridges should go up by more like 500%
I wish you'd stop posting |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1351
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
[38] - Quote
this is okay for dreads, carriers, supers, titans
it sucks for jump freighters. don't do this while you are in the process of making null and low industry more viable GRRR Goons |
MissBolyai
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
92
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:For reference, this will increase the cost of running a max skilled Rhea from Jita to RIT-A7 (jump drive transit the whole way) from ~50m isk to ~75m isk.
I appreciate this explanation for those who cannot grasp what a 50% increase would look like numerically.
For those that cannot grasp this, here's a chart:
Old jump cost (in millions)New jump cost (in millions) 11.5 23 34.5 46 57.5 69 710.5 812 913.5 1015 1116.5 1218 1319.5 1421 1522.5 1624 1725.5 1827 1928.5 2030 2131.5 2233 2334.5 2436 2537.5 2639 2740.5 2842 2943.5 3045 3146.5 3248 3349.5 3451 3552.5 3654 3755.5 3857 3958.5 4060 4161.5 4263 4364.5 4466 4567.5 4669 4770.5 4872 4973.5 5075 5176.5 5278 5379.5 5481 5582.5 5684 5785.5 5887 5988.5 6090 6191.5 6293 6394.5 6496 6597.5 6699 67100.5 68102 69103.5 70105 71106.5 72108 73109.5 74111 75112.5 76114 77115.5 78117 79118.5 80120 81121.5 82123 83124.5 84126 85127.5 86129 87130.5 88132 89133.5 90135 91136.5 92138 93139.5 94141 95142.5 96144 97145.5 98147 99148.5 100150 101151.5 102153 103154.5 104156 105157.5 106159 107160.5 108162 109163.5 110165 111166.5 112168 113169.5 114171 115172.5 116174 117175.5 118177 119178.5 120180 121181.5 122183 123184.5 124186 125187.5 126189 127190.5 128192 129193.5 130195 131196.5 132198 133199.5 134201 135202.5 136204 137205.5 138207 139208.5 140210 141211.5 142213 143214.5 144216 145217.5 146219 147220.5 148222 149223.5 150225 151226.5 152228 153229.5 154231 155232.5 156234 157235.5 158237 159238.5 160240 161241.5 162243 163244.5 164246 165247.5 166249 167250.5 168252 169253.5 170255 171256.5 172258 173259.5 174261 175262.5 176264 177265.5 178267 179268.5 180270 181271.5 182273 183274.5 184276 185277.5 186279 187280.5 188282 189283.5 190285 191286.5 192288 193289.5 194291 195292.5 196294 197295.5 198297 199298.5 200300 201301.5 202303 203304.5 204306 205307.5 206309 207310.5 208312 209313.5 210315 211316.5 212318 213319.5 214321 215322.5 216324 217325.5 218327 219328.5 220330 221331.5 222333 223334.5 224336 225337.5 226339 227340.5 228342 229343.5 230345 231346.5 232348 233349.5 234351 235352.5 236354 237355.5 238357 239358.5 240360 241361.5 242363 243364.5 244366 245367.5 246369 247370.5 248372 249373.5 250375 251376.5 252378 253379.5 254381 255382.5 256384 257385.5 258387 259388.5 260390 261391.5 262393 263394.5 264396 265397.5 266399 267400.5 268402 269403.5
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
451
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
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Irregessa wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec. Good thing there isn't something like a large coalition that controls all non-NPC nullsec from which nitrogen and oxygen isotopes are mined. Oxygen Isotopes can also come from the Drone Regions. It's a big part of the reason why oxytopes are in the crapper right now compared to nitropes. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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Beaver Retriever
Reality Sequence
213
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
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So this will be a minor annoyance for the logistics departments of large alliances and coalitions such as the CFC and PL, while it will be both a massive pain in the ass and a not insignificant cost increase in running caps for smaller alliances.
Yeah, there weren't few enough people risking capitals as it was. Nice change. |
Vtra
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:51:00 -
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Are you going to Double my Covert haulers bays as well to compensate? This is ********, why don't you make ice refine half as much then instead of screwing over the people who actually risk ships for pvp. Little safe highsec miner still gets his money and we have to pay double for the same service..... well thought out CCP. |
Tubrug1
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
472
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:51:00 -
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Marketing Chairman Stalin wrote:Tubrug1 wrote:So you're not tackling the real issue involving jump drives which is power projection? I wish you'd tackle the real issue of being in a non-existent alliance l0l
Stalin pls ((( Writer of The Eve Onion http://eveion.blogspot.co.uk/
I have a Twitter |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1141
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:51:00 -
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What?!
Do you have any idea of how much small (or newbies :D) alliances rely on jump freighting services when moving their stuff?
To take a typical situation in Brave, when moving our staging, a fresh newbie with 2/3 cruisers and a bunch of T1 frigates will die horribly to gate camps if trying to move his stuff himself, so he will use a jump freighting service. Its already barely affortable for some individuals, do you imagine how this increase in cost would affect them?
Logistics are already an horrible pain because the contract system is broken, because nullsec requires stupidly high amounts of human effort due to poor sov design, and now to add insult to injury, you try to make people that are new enough to the game that then can't move their stuff themselves... pay more to have their stuff moved?
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec. Cost competitiveness for local ressource gathering in nullsec? How do in fuel my Rhea and Widow in Catch? Its amarr space, isotopes are useless for my ships out there, how can null-sec caldari ice belts be any "local" for me? Do you expect me to train all the way to Amarr Battleship V, Amarr Freighter IV, and buy an Amarr Jump freighter??
Sorry but this is one of the worst changes I've seen in this upcoming release and I hope you reconsider it. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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iskflakes
910
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:52:00 -
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Resgo wrote:Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size.
This is a good solution.
+50% usage -1/3rd volume - |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
379
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:52:00 -
[46] - Quote
Resgo wrote:Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size.
This is a good suggestion. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
293
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:52:00 -
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0.o...... The Law is a point of View |
Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL The Kadeshi
68
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hello everyone! In the upcoming Summer release we are making a lot of changes that we expect will impact player behavior surrounding manufacturing, mining and starbase use. We see an opportunity here to make some adjustments to the way that Jump Drives consume their isotope fuel that will hit a few birds with one stone. The goals of this change are: - Stimulate the isotope (and therefore ice) market to help cushion any drop in demand from players using smaller starbases after the science and industry slot changes.
- Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.
- Although we don't expect this change to significantly impact behavior around jump drive power projection, it should at least provide a small incentive change through higher costs for moving huge capital fleets often.
The plan for this release is to start with a 50% increase in the fuel cost of all jump drives and jump portals, and adjust further if necessary once we see the results. This change applies both the the base consumption of ship based jump drives, as well as the isotope consumption per kg of mass on all jump bridges and portals.
We will also be increasing the fuel bays on all jump capable ships (and the fuel storage on starbase jump bridge arrays) by 50% (60% for Black Ops Battleships) so that they do not need to refuel much more often.For reference, this will increase the cost of running a max skilled Rhea from Jita to RIT-A7 (jump drive transit the whole way) from ~50m isk to ~75m isk.
Can we get say nullsec ice belts doubled in size then because atm a decent sized mining fleet will clear it in 45 minutes |
Angelus X
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:53:00 -
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This is a great change, thanks raivi ))) <3 |
MrWalter White
Breaking Bad Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:53:00 -
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pls increase the fuel bay size and the CHA size to compensate for this - so we can make the same amount of jumps |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1635
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:53:00 -
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Hehehehe, space draaamaaa! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
9776
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:53:00 -
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Resgo wrote:Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size.
At first glance this appears to be an excellent idea. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1156
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
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To explain further - atm the cost to bridge around a 100man bc fleet is about the same as the ammo carried by one of those bcs. Its hilariously cheap. Its cheaper to bridge a jf than to jump it.
Make bridges have a minimum mass/ship (for cost calculations, not the bridging), and massively amp up the cost. |
gr ant
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
37
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
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This game sure seems like its going to be a lot of fun, can't wait for you guys to iron out all the kinks and get ready for full release |
Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department GoonSwarm
33
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
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MissBolyai wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:For reference, this will increase the cost of running a max skilled Rhea from Jita to RIT-A7 (jump drive transit the whole way) from ~50m isk to ~75m isk. I appreciate this explanation for those who cannot grasp what a 50% increase would look like numerically. For those that cannot grasp this, here's a chart: Old jump cost (in millions)New jump cost (in millions) 11.5 23 34.5 46 57.5 69 710.5 812 913.5 1015 1116.5 1218 1319.5 1421 1522.5 1624 1725.5 1827 1928.5 2030 2131.5 2233 2334.5 2436 2537.5 2639 2740.5 2842 2943.5 3045 3146.5 3248 3349.5 3451 3552.5 3654 3755.5 3857 3958.5 4060 4161.5 4263 4364.5 4466 4567.5 4669 4770.5 4872 4973.5 5075 5176.5 5278 5379.5 5481 5582.5 5684 5785.5 5887 5988.5 6090 6191.5 6293 6394.5 6496 6597.5 6699 67100.5 68102 69103.5 70105 71106.5 72108 73109.5 74111 75112.5 76114 77115.5 78117 79118.5 80120 81121.5 82123 83124.5 84126 85127.5 86129 87130.5 88132 89133.5 90135 91136.5 92138 93139.5 94141 95142.5 96144 97145.5 98147 99148.5 100150 101151.5 102153 103154.5 104156 105157.5 106159 107160.5 108162 109163.5 110165 111166.5 112168 113169.5 114171 115172.5 116174 117175.5 118177 119178.5 120180 121181.5 122183 123184.5 124186 125187.5 126189 127190.5 128192 129193.5 130195 131196.5 132198 133199.5 134201 135202.5 136204 137205.5 138207 139208.5 140210 141211.5 142213 143214.5 144216 145217.5 146219 147220.5 148222 149223.5 150225 151226.5 152228 153229.5 154231 155232.5 156234 157235.5 158237 159238.5 160240 161241.5 162243 163244.5 164246 165247.5 166249 167250.5 168252 169253.5 170255 171256.5 172258 173259.5 174261 175262.5 176264 177265.5 178267 179268.5 180270 181271.5 182273 183274.5 184276 185277.5 186279 187280.5 188282 189283.5 190285 191286.5 192288 193289.5 194291 195292.5 196294 197295.5 198297 199298.5 200300 201301.5 202303 203304.5 204306 205307.5 206309 207310.5 208312 209313.5 210315 211316.5 212318 213319.5 214321 215322.5 216324 217325.5 218327 219328.5 220330 221331.5 222333 223334.5 224336 225337.5 226339 227340.5 228342 229343.5 230345 231346.5 232348 233349.5 234351 235352.5 236354 237355.5 238357 239358.5 240360 241361.5 242363 243364.5 244366 245367.5 246369 247370.5 248372 249373.5 250375 251376.5 252378 253379.5 254381 255382.5 256384 257385.5 258387 259388.5 260390 261391.5 262393 263394.5 264396 265397.5 266399 267400.5 268402 269403.5
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BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
741
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
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Tubrug1 wrote:Marketing Chairman Stalin wrote:Tubrug1 wrote:So you're not tackling the real issue involving jump drives which is power projection? I wish you'd tackle the real issue of being in a non-existent alliance l0l Stalin pls (((
Its ok Tub, my shoulder is here 4 u to cry on
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Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
471
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
[57] - Quote
what about the (rather huge) nerf to blops that use their cargo for extra fuel? same with dreads? same with carriers and fleet hangars?
could you instead of changing fuel bay size consider reducing fuel size by 33%
edit: nvm literally everyone else already said the same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
215
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
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MissBolyai wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:For reference, this will increase the cost of running a max skilled Rhea from Jita to RIT-A7 (jump drive transit the whole way) from ~50m isk to ~75m isk. I appreciate this explanation for those who cannot grasp what a 50% increase would look like numerically. For those that cannot grasp this, here's a chart: Old jump cost (in millions)New jump cost (in millions) 11.5 23 34.5 46 57.5 69 710.5 812 913.5 1015 1116.5 1218 1319.5 1421 1522.5 1624 1725.5 1827 1928.5 2030 2131.5 2233 2334.5 2436 2537.5 2639 2740.5 2842 2943.5 3045 3146.5 3248 3349.5 3451 3552.5 3654 3755.5 3857 3958.5 4060 4161.5 4263 4364.5 4466 4567.5 4669 4770.5 4872 4973.5 5075 5176.5 5278 5379.5 5481 5582.5 5684 5785.5 5887 5988.5 6090 6191.5 6293 6394.5 6496 6597.5 6699 67100.5 68102 69103.5 70105 71106.5 72108 73109.5 74111 75112.5 76114 77115.5 78117 79118.5 80120 81121.5 82123 83124.5 84126 85127.5 86129 87130.5 88132 89133.5 90135 91136.5 92138 93139.5 94141 95142.5 96144 97145.5 98147 99148.5 100150 101151.5 102153 103154.5 104156 105157.5 106159 107160.5 108162 109163.5 110165 111166.5 112168 113169.5 114171 115172.5 116174 117175.5 118177 119178.5 120180 121181.5 122183 123184.5 124186 125187.5 126189 127190.5 128192 129193.5 130195 131196.5 132198 133199.5 134201 135202.5 136204 137205.5 138207 139208.5 140210 141211.5 142213 143214.5 144216 145217.5 146219 147220.5 148222 149223.5 150225 151226.5 152228 153229.5 154231 155232.5 156234 157235.5 158237 159238.5 160240 161241.5 162243 163244.5 164246 165247.5 166249 167250.5 168252 169253.5 170255 171256.5 172258 173259.5 174261 175262.5 176264 177265.5 178267 179268.5 180270 181271.5 182273 183274.5 184276 185277.5 186279 187280.5 188282 189283.5 190285 191286.5 192288 193289.5 194291 195292.5 196294 197295.5 198297 199298.5 200300 201301.5 202303 203304.5 204306 205307.5 206309 207310.5 208312 209313.5 210315 211316.5 212318 213319.5 214321 215322.5 216324 217325.5 218327 219328.5 220330 221331.5 222333 223334.5 224336 225337.5 226339 227340.5 228342 229343.5 230345 231346.5 232348 233349.5 234351 235352.5 236354 237355.5 238357 239358.5 240360 241361.5 242363 243364.5 244366 245367.5 246369 247370.5 248372 249373.5 250375 251376.5 252378 253379.5 254381 255382.5 256384 257385.5 258387 259388.5 260390 261391.5 262393 263394.5 264396 265397.5 266399 267400.5 268402 269403.5 I'm not sure I get it |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1156
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:54:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Resgo wrote:Rather than increasing the size of fuel bays, why not cut the volume of the isotyopes by a third. Then it would carry through all of your systems using the isotopes at fuel. It wouldn't have an impact on POSes as POSes consume fuel blocks that would stay the same size. At first glance this appears to be an excellent idea.
Cutting isotope volume allows people to fit more fuel into non-fuel bays, which you may or may not want to do. |
Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department GoonSwarm
33
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:55:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:To explain further - atm the cost to bridge around a 100man bc fleet is about the same as the ammo carried by one of those bcs. Its hilariously cheap. Its cheaper to bridge a jf than to jump it.
Make bridges have a minimum mass/ship (for cost calculations, not the bridging), and massively amp up the cost.
STOP POSTING SO BADLY PLS FREND |
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