I stopped reading right there. You have false starting conditions. Toyotas are assembled in Mississippi, Kentucky, Texas, and Indiana. Hondas are assembled in Alabama, Ohio, and Indiana. Fords are assembled in Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, Kentucky, and Texas. Et cetera.

(Cite: various Wikipedia pages. Look for "List of (manufacturer) facilities")

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The team idea seems to encourage industrialists settling in the same system while the scaled manufacturing costs is supposed to discourage the hubs. This doesn't make sense, unless all you want is people to put up POS to do all industry. This change is very bad for the small industrialist/small corps, and especially bad for new players that may be interested in industry.

The idea that winning bids allow public access to these teams seems odd. Why should the random player who didn't help bring a team to a particular solar system be allowed the derive any benefit at all? Bids should be placed on behalf of a corporation, maybe an alliance. Or, if you want to allow for random players to work together to win a bid, then allow for both public and private ownership. If a single player/corp/alliance wants to lure a team to their location, let them bid to do so. Otherwise this is just going to lead to other players riding the coattails of the players willing to put in the cost and effort to win a bid.

The idea is that the star system is bidding to bring this team to the system. Once the Team arrives they put them selves out for hire at a set price. The team would want as many jobs as they could get.

This IS cooperative industry, just not they way most of us expected. You get to cooperate with the rest of the star system to get the team, then everyone gets the benefit. I love the fact it forces you to cooperate with your competition!

You don't need an alternative system, you just do what a real-auctioneer does in a real auction house. If somebody comes in with a bid at the last second, he allows a little more time in case somebody else wants to come in with a counter-bid.

So all the auction system needs is a short extension if a bid is made at the end. I've found that "if the auction is within 10 mins of close, end ten mins from now" works reasonably nicely.

Also you are rendering ever spreadsheet unusable since the costs asociated with manufacturing and invention are hidden behind a thick layer of nonsense, was this intended?

the solution to bid sniping is ebay-style bids where you give it a max and it .01 isks for you up to that max

you put in your max bid, if it's sniped then your max bid was exceeded, if you're unhappy about that you should have put in your actual max bid

edit: oh wait this works poorly with bid pooling, nevermind

Not that you will of course. Because there's not all that much thought involved even with the changes. Just a more complicated spreadsheet. If you have to think about it, you haven't prepared properly.

First thank you for signing your post - It's very difficult for me to simply read your name. So reading your signature saved a lot of trouble.

Secondly that's irrelevant, because with bid retractions I can always force you to pay an equivalent or higher price, either for the team, or for bidding (and then retracting).

Are you seriously trying to tell me you consider purist spreadsheets online preferable to having more mechanics that allow intelligent, aggressive decisions to undermine your competitors?

This sounds about right.

Nobody plays this game to manufacture. Manufacturing, ratting, etc are a means to buy PVP ships and shoot each other.

This sounds about right.

Also, it said the cost of a team would be more expensive depending on how far away from their base the winning system is in. What does this do to wormholes, since Eve lists them as infinitely far away from anywhere in k-space?

Put a delay between the end of the auction for a team and when that team becomes available for use in the winning system. Have the team loaded aboard NPC haulers (which already exist; remember those NPC docking & undocking you see?) Have the NPC haulers travel to the winning system. Give incentive to shoot NPC haulers. Allow players to interdict teams from systems (shoot the NPC haulers).

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As repeatedly stated in-thread, wormholes are counted as being 50 jumps away for the purposes of pricing.

Make them be collected by players. Players that collect them automatically have a suspect/criminal flag. Oh yeah - make them 2500m3.

PLEASE make them silent auctions, setting my alarm to log into eve to bid on this its just bad game mechanics

You what also is not boring?

Thanks,

I read the first few pages, I don't have full time to read 20+ pages.

Make them be collected by players. Players that collect them automatically have a suspect/criminal flag. Oh yeah - make them 2500m3.

Bingo.

Let's pretend you are in a planning meeting at GM for the 2016 production lines.

Yeah no problem.

I suppose with ~4,000 teams at any given time chances are the lower quality/weird spec ones will be obtainable fairly cheaply (relative to the higher end ones, anyway), though this seems like something that we'll only know after the fact when this goes live. CCP should be ready to re-balance somewhat if even the lowest of the low quality teams are significantly out of reach for typical manufacturers.

Having some teams be region-locked could be a good way to ensure local availability at at least some level too.


4 people as 2500m3?