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Talthrus Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:47:00 - [2251] Originally by: Tekka Edited by: Tekka on 17/09/2006 08:50:17 Originally by: Meridius Rofl this thread is still kicking boost lasers Convert Caldari Boost missles NoooooOOOooOOo! ----------------------
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.09.17 17:14:00 - [2252] Well, I think its time for me to make a decision, Tired of this type of treatment. I dont care what people that dont fly amarr say, we're inferior in more ships than any other race and i've given evidence as to why many many times. Customers aren't allowed to get answers, CCP basically is a bad business that has enough customers to apparently afford to lose some. I put up a post in general in an attempt to get a straight answer. I wrote : "I'm going to ask very very nicely. No need for people to give opinions on the matter in this post. Those interested in an answer can just bump it so it can be seen. All further contructive ideas can go here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=344179 PLEASE CCP, TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. I love the game, I dont want to trade my character & regret it later. I dont want to cross train, I believe strongly in your suggestions to specialize. I've just come to a crossroads. You dont need to say what you are going to do. Just give a tiny hint/answer....Yes, we have a plan for amarr, or no, amarr is fine. I think we as customers deserve it. Oveur, if you're reading, I'm begging you man, give us something, we know you want kali very secret and maybe you are going to do something to amarr in it. But answering with a yes or no and being done with it will be so helpful. You dont understand how much a relief it would be just to know what you are all thinking about the issue. 76 pages on that forum posted above, which means that you know we want a change. But all I'm asking for is a simple yes or no answer. Please Please Please. Again, all those that read this, pls dont flame. This is a geniune question, I'd appreciate it if this post was respected. There are plenty of other posts to flame in if you dont agree with my decision to ask. Thank you." In the end an ISD felt it necessary to say this rubbish: "This thread is going to be locked and this is why: 1. Cosmo you are cross posting. Keep the thread in one forum only. Tuxford reads Ships and Modules quite often. The dev's will reply if needed. 2. This thread has resulted in flaming and trolling. For the future, when your asking something form the devs, please be polite and do not demand. You will also find that training other race skills will open up a new style of gameplay. You will have fun. Try that. Questions: Email us [email protected]" 1) I'd hardly call me asking nicely, saying please like 10 times being demanding. 2) I could have removed the link to avoid the crosspost 3) I do not want to cross train, I shouldn't have to and I dont appreciate being told such. 4) Its worse to know that Tux reads this stuff yet says/does nothing. In conclusion I'll reitterate, CCP used to be great at stuff like this, answering questions of its customers, but as of late I feel like a Wal-mart customer. Meaning, screw you we have tons more, and a new customer will be in tomorrow to replace you. Now I just need to ponder what I will do. I saw another amarr character in WTT forum that doesn't seem to have any takers, wonder why....
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.09.17 17:17:00 - [2253] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: LordChaos Originally by: Hellspawn01 What about the missing damage bonus on T1 amarr ships? Laser damage comes from skills only till you fit damage mods. Other races have a build in bonus but with lasers, you can fit them on any ship and dont lack any damage, just the cap usage reduction is missing. I say thats a big point for amarr there. the cap bonus helps alot and i mean ALOT lol and i wouldnt fit them on any other race u know y? check Amarr gun grid requirments and check other races and check Cap of the ships. Apoc the biggest amarr bs cant fit a full rack of tech2 tachs without having 2 RCU2s while the tempest /megat/raven have no problem fitting a full rack of their guns. and Amarr dont have a damage bonus cause their guns start off with more damage then the rest............. i think thats y lol Thats correct. But mega has only 7 guns and tempest only 6. Apoc needs 1 RCU II for 7 guns even with the biggest grid of all BS, its the 8th gun thats the problem(before LAR). 22.275 Grid with Engineering 5 32.235,94 Grid with 2x RCU II 29.700 Grid needed for 8 Tachyon II with AWU 5 You could change it for an officer PDU instead of a 2nd RCU II which should do the job btw. But still I dont see much where you could boost amarr. I mean, amarr have more armor, more if not most cap in all classes, more turrets, good tracking, great tanks and can fight at all ranges. Maybe the crystals need a look at cuz we only do 2 damage types but that counts for hybrids too. Lets see if Tuxford says anything about this topic in here before Kali hits. You aren't really understanding much in here are you. I'm not a big advocate of getting more damage, but one could argue that it should be our role. Reason being is no matter how much damage you deal, EW pwns all, which we can't use much of or defend against. Look back on the previous page to see what I think needs to be done. However your arguments are very weak.
Dilandil Ma'al	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:24:00 - [2254] Originally by: Cosmo Raata You will also find that training other race skills will open up a new style of gameplay. You will have fun. Try that. We're told that the only way for new players to be competitive is to specialize. If we train up other races skills, we're not specializing now are we?
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 03:54:00 - [2255] I've had it. Frankly I'm sick and tired of Amarr. Geddon is nice, but can be outmatched by pretty much every single other BS out there. Apoc? Wtf is it good for? People say fitting it with Projectiles make it worthwhile but then why the hell not train up for Minmatar anyway? You'll get damage bonuses at least. Look at the ****ty ass bonuses Amarr get, 10% cap reduction for lasers? Why not just put in "You'll suck 10% less per level". I've started training up for Gallante. At least I'll retain my armor tanking skills and drone skills there. I can fly Amarr HACs and Recons very effectively and frankly I feel like I've wasted time doing so. I'm just going to lame like everyone else and get a Nos/ECM dominix and bbqpwn everything with ease. ===============================================
Altraz	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:17:00 - [2256] I feel your pain. I hope and pray for a balance when it Kali comes out but then again, I don't think they're balancing it for a while. Oh well. Wishful thinking. You don't call it gank-a-poc. You call it gank-a-thron for a reason :)
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:01:00 - [2257] Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr?
Lucre STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:36:00 - [2258] Originally by: XGS Crimson Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr? Well, there's apparently a bug, probably cloak-related, which somehow makes their ships and weapons totally invisible to the devs...
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:42:00 - [2259] Originally by: Lucre Originally by: XGS Crimson Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr? Well, there's apparently a bug, probably cloak-related, which somehow makes their ships and weapons totally invisible to the devs... Hmm silly.
Auryn Darkblade	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:59:00 - [2260] Originally by: XGS Crimson Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr? I love it when people who think the Amarr people are whining pretend like there arent 77 other pages to this thread, at least 50% of which have very well thought out feedback.

Siakel	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:21:00 - [2261] XGS just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. If you doubt this... well, here's an example. I would ask you to refrain posting about things where you obviously have no experience at all, XGS Crimson.
The Armin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:40:00 - [2262] Edited by: The Armin on 18/09/2006 16:40:17 Originally by: Siakel XGS just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. If you doubt this... well, here's an example. I would ask you to refrain posting about things where you obviously have no experience at all, XGS Crimson. LoL @ That apoc setup ;D
Hijara Amarr Brotherhood of Light	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:06:00 - [2263] I think that boosting the amarian damage might solve some of the problems. Ive experimented with fitting 3 heat sink II's for a load of Tachyon modulated pulse energy beams, and i only JUST get over the damage multiplier of large arty. And the arty doesn eat cap like a starving whale. If damage was boosted to really high levels, we could at least overcome some of the problmes amarr have. The few shots we coudl get off, woudl cause real damage to people. Then the cap drainage would be worth it. But, im sure someone will prove me wrong, and while aobut how the geddon is a great drone ship, or the arby's are good gank ships, but think aobut that for a sec. That is 3 ships out of th eWHOLE ammarian navy. And that XGS Crimson, obviously hasent flown amarr, unless it was a shuttle
Martinez Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:37:00 - [2264] Geddon is a great ship, the recons are great, the absolution other than the basic problems the bcs have is great. the zealot is ok. other than that amarr sucks. the way to look at it from a pvpers point of view, if he is picking a target to engage if he sees a apoc or geddon he will engage. why well you know they are not going to use EW, no drone bonues, so not to much to worry about there, and unless the amarr pilot has max skills and a very good cap set up he will cap himself out if he does shoot at you. lastly they only can do two damages, so throw a ena on and a active thermic hardener and you are set. so lets see 2 heavy nosf, 2 multi specs, a ean and a thermic hardener on basicall y any ship can beat amarr.
Martinez Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:39:00 - [2265] oh yeah and on the geddon being great part, it is a great ganker. that is it. to put a tank on it makes it where you cannot put mega pulses on and anything lower on lasers and the guns are aweful.
Auryn Darkblade	Posted - 2006.09.19 02:17:00 - [2266] Originally by: Martinez Geddon is a great ship, the recons are great, the absolution other than the basic problems the bcs have is great. the zealot is ok. other than that amarr sucks... Thats it in a nutshell. Amarr has the highest ratio of crappy ships to good ships in the game. I would guess 85% of Amarr ships are crap. Sound about right?
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.19 02:23:00 - [2267] WTS 35 mill Amar PvPer i even got 5 mill in drones Curse FTW :) btw curse with faction mods can own a Domi anytime 30 Km scrambler ftw :) "hope he dont get back up soon" The Master Of Chaos Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Lord Seth Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.09.19 07:31:00 - [2268] YOU KILL AMARR......... YOU BASTARDS
Phyrexia Tarzig	Posted - 2006.09.19 08:44:00 - [2269] I ashamedly sold my Apocalypse and bought a Raven. I frankly feel dirty with barely half a million in shield skills and 450k missile skills, but the massive pile of isk I've made in a couple of weeks kind of mitigates the feeling somewhat.
CB LoKi	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:09:00 - [2270] Originally by: XGS Crimson Originally by: Lucre Originally by: XGS Crimson Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr? Well, there's apparently a bug, probably cloak-related, which somehow makes their ships and weapons totally invisible to the devs... Hmm silly. This guy is soooooooo without a clue. Man give this guy some isk to phone someone who cares what hes gotta say Please resize your signature, oh and I love you - Jacques

Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.09.19 17:28:00 - [2271] This thread is intended for discussion of Amarr ships and their deficiencies (sp?). If you're not going to add something to the conversation please don't waste the forum space. Saying Amarr are fine is ofc constructive to the conversation, but trolling with stupid 1 line Questions is not constructive. ------------------------
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:18:00 - [2272] Originally by: Phyrexia Tarzig I ashamedly sold my Apocalypse and bought a Raven. I frankly feel dirty with barely half a million in shield skills and 450k missile skills, but the massive pile of isk I've made in a couple of weeks kind of mitigates the feeling somewhat. Trust me, raven is teh npc king...every race is yealous of it _________________________________________________
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:24:00 - [2273] go forum squad! to the spam mobile! get to 100 pages quick and you get a prize! amarr overall are fine and dandy. thankfully, democracy does not make a game.
Xelia	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:01:00 - [2274] From XGS Crimson's brilliant other post: Quote: You obveously can't fly a ship proply and have no idea about the other races... Quote: amarr don't have cap issues Quote: if you want a decent setup try this ( apoc setup pwns) 5 tachyons 2 cruise 2 cap boosters (large) 100mn t2 AB 2x t2 large reppers, 3 t2 hardners, 1 t2 power diag First this won't fit with tech 1 guns, it is so far from fitting with t2 guns it shows you: A.) have zero clue about fitting and... B.) you just make up random crap and post it You came to this thread and said: Quote: Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr? We are sorry that you are slow as well. Until you can read, please refrain from posting further, k? thx On the topic of Amarr ships I think the Abbadon could be a decent ship if tech 2 CPRs are released along with it. I understand it doesn't solve the damage problem, but with the ships resist bonus and its RoF bonus I'm eager to see what it will be capable of. Of course I'm a mission runner and not PvP based. I think it would go a long way in making amarr PvE equal to that of the raven's PvE ability. Anyhow, flame on /duck
Byzan Zwyth	Posted - 2006.09.19 20:19:00 - [2275] my prophecy is now working fine, but I do use projectile weapons with it, it's about half as effective with lasers and I have more SP invested in lasers than projectiles. I guess I should just train to fly a cyclone next ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow and look cool... Gallente because they are effective
Nariana Verex Amarr Terra Nova Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.19 20:36:00 - [2276] It took me a few days to read this entire thread, but I just finished and I have to say... I'm not surprised. Lets just face it, every game needs a race/class/___ that sucks at what it is supposedly good at. I've only been playing for about a year total. 6 months about two years ago, strictly Amarr... Got bored being unable to do anything but rat Sanshas. Came back a few months ago and tried again. So far I hate to say but my Arbitrator is indeed the only tech 1 Amarr ship I've played with that's useful in any way... And I use artillery on it. sob I have to say I personally agree with some of whats said on Amarr ships, and disagree on the rest. I apologize in advance for no numbers; Explosive crystals. No. Just no. More thermal damage? Please? If Gallente is Drone, then Blaster, why is it they can tank better and their blasters do kinetic damage primarily? Make EM Drones not suck. Someone said here a while ago that EM drones were the sturdiest of the light drones, and actually that goes to thermal drones. They're pretty low on the damaging aspect as well. Less fitting costs on frigate/cruiser lasers. Yes. I played around with an Omen and a Maller while I was still flying cruisers, and I had to sacrifice my tank just to get them to do decent DPS. Other than the Arbitrator make, the Khanid ships are... Sucky. Nothing needs to be said here, its already been said. I'm not saying the other races don't need nerfs/boosts as well, but after all this time and I'm sitting here, staring at a 'geddon that I'll be piloting for the first time in five days I ask myself; Why even bother? I should just get a Raven and train for a month in missiles. =/ I thought missiles were nerfed, thats what everyone tells me, and yet they can pretty much do anything you want them to. Especially if you have access to the Tech2 varients. Ya know? Maybe I will use that 'geddon. I'll use all the low slots on shield regen equipment that will kill my cap, then fit my midslots with shield tanking stuff, and my highslots will be Nos and something other than lasers. I don't see any Caldari ships using autocannons or Gallente ships using artillery. Might be nice. So should we give up hope? Maybe. Even CCP has admitted that if we use other ships we'll have more fun. -------------------------------------------- You will also find that training other race skills will open up a new style of gameplay. You will have fun. Try that. -CCP ---------------------------
Auryn Darkblade Caldari 4th Cohort	Posted - 2006.09.19 20:56:00 - [2277] Originally by: XGS Crimson Sorry if im slow here... but whats wrong with amarr? Originally by: Hakera go forum squad! to the spam mobile! get to 100 pages quick and you get a prize! amarr overall are fine and dandy. thankfully, democracy does not make a game. OK, I'm no "Forum-Cop," but what is the deal with people who obviously don't fly Amarr, come into a thread like this, where several well thought out points have been made, and give a one line "You guys are whiners, Amarr are OK!" response? A fair comparison would be made to a heated discussion in congress, where both sides are making informed speeches on both sides of the issue at hand and all of a sudden a hoodlum kid runs up to the podium and yells "O'Doyle Rules!" in prankish fashion. Is this somehow accepted behaviour on forums? __________________________________________________ [17:31:19] dnkuanggong2 > i m china i love evebus i on love t4r4
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.09.19 21:05:00 - [2278] Originally by: Auryn Darkblade OK, I'm no "Forum-Cop," but what is the deal with people who obviously don't fly Amarr, come into a thread like this, where several well thought out points have been made, and give a one line "You guys are whiners, Amarr are OK!" response? ever heard the saying 'assumption is the mother of all *******', assuming that I know nothing about amarr and never flown them simply because I have a different opinion to you, or maybe its my forum avatar! well genius, there are indeed several (out of far too many replies) decent arguments that make a fairly decent case in some scenarios (such as resists) but none of which incline me to ever say amarr should be boosted. There are tweaks here and there that could be made but that is it. Hence my overall opinion. And Im glad your no forum cop either, you would not last long if you deleted every opinion not matching your own.
Auryn Darkblade Caldari 4th Cohort	Posted - 2006.09.19 21:20:00 - [2279] Originally by: Hakera Originally by: Auryn Darkblade OK, I'm no "Forum-Cop," but what is the deal with people who obviously don't fly Amarr, come into a thread like this, where several well thought out points have been made, and give a one line "You guys are whiners, Amarr are OK!" response? ever heard the saying 'assumption is the mother of all *******', assuming that I know nothing about amarr and never flown them simply because I have a different opinion to you, or maybe its my forum avatar! well genius, there are indeed several (out of far too many replies) decent arguments that make a fairly decent case in some scenarios (such as resists) but none of which incline me to ever say amarr should be boosted. There are tweaks here and there that could be made but that is it. Hence my overall opinion. And Im glad your no forum cop either, you would not last long if you deleted every opinion not matching your own. I honestly don't care if you don't share the same opinion as "me" (when you should have directed it towards every Amarr specced person in this forum btw.) What I do care about is that when you are having a "discussion" about something, saying something is OK whithout backing up this statement with data, and calling everyone on one side of the issue "spammers" and "whiners" is not the best way to get your side of the discussion recognized as anything other than trolling. Honestly if you (or anyone) can bring some facts to the table as to why I should go back to Amarr, I would be glad to. But since page 47, I have been training Gallente and can fly a Dominix (and other Gallente ships) pretty damn well. Now that I am flying something other than Amarr, it is just painfully obvious to me how generic and underpowered Amarr ships / weapons are. __________________________________________________ [17:31:19] dnkuanggong2 > i m china i love evebus i on love t4r4
Elenath Gallente The Vindaloo Enema Disasters	Posted - 2006.09.19 21:31:00 - [2280] Originally by: Hakera go forum squad! to the spam mobile! get to 100 pages quick and you get a prize! amarr overall are fine and dandy. thankfully, democracy does not make a game. /agree I agree with your comments regarding Auryn Dullblade as well.



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