Please tell us where you get your 2 mil T2 cats from. Also the cost of a blockade runner and its rigs means nothing.

So please be honnest there is absolutly not a chance that you would'nt be profitable ganking BR even blind and tied. The cargo value is comprised between 100 M and 2 B thats a ratio of 10 to 100 lost Cats even t2 before being unprofitable
So there is no relation between scannability and profitability ....

I don't get why everyone is suddenly surprised at the align time on the Prowler. It's not like this is some new thing they just introduced, they didn't touch the align times.

The Prowler has an absolutely tiny sig though, which is a bigger bonus than 8 seconds worth of align time >.>

, and enough CPU to run the cyno and probe launcher with standard set of modules w/o the need for CPU rigs (all skills at V).

Okay... so the BRs are my favorite industrials, and the Prowler and Prorator my favorites of them so this will be a little biased....

CCP, why are you, in comparison to the Crane and Viator, nerfing the Prorator and especially the Prowler? Or to put it another way, why are you buffing the Crane and Viator so much, and nerfing the Prowler?

I'll back this up with some numbers.

_________________Prorator_____Crane_____Viator_____Prowler
cargo % increase___13.79%_____18.60%____16.67%____7.14%
mass % change_____0.00%_____-4.55%_____-11.50%___+10.31%


So while BRs getting a small buff is good I guess (I thought they were fine TBH), I don't like how the Prowler, which had a niche as the most agile BR and capable of mounting a cyno or probe launcher with its cloak is now the worst choice for any role, niche or otherwise. The Prorator can at least get its cargo up through its low slots since it has 4, but honestly, the Viator and the Crane are simply going to be the best since their cargo to align time ratio will be the strongest and they'll be able to do everything the Prowler can in addition.

My suggestion is to remove the mass nerf to the Prowler (the Minmatar ship will be the most massive, seriously?) and give it a 3rd high instead of the extra low, and enough CPU to run the cyno and probe launcher with standard set of modules w/o the need for CPU rigs (all skills at V). Additionally, give the Prorator a little more cargo, like +100 more for an even 3000, and remove the mass buffs from the Crane and Viator (as in leave them at their original mass of 11,500,000).

.they are all easy nuts to crack none will have more than 15 k ehp meaning 2 catalyst in 0.6. And they have all nasty hole in their shield except prowler ,so swapping ammo before engagement make them even more weak.

Highlights are:

• They all now have two highslots for a probe launcher or covert cyno alongside the cloak. The Prowler gets a third low.
• A pretty significant cargohold increase across the whole line. They still have significantly less max cargo than any of the T1 haulers, but they can now all break the 10k threshold with T1 rigs.

Let us know what you think!

prowler got bonus in agility to offset mass

Honnestly i'm dissapointed ,you know very well than the cost of t1 cats is 2 M.And you perfectly know than 2 t1 cats would be enought to blow a Blockade runner in a 0.7 system .
So please be honnest there is absolutly not a chance that you would'nt be profitable ganking BR even blind and tied. The cargo value is comprised between 100 M and 2 B thats a ratio of 10 to 100 lost Cats even t2 before being unprofitable
So there is no relation between scannability and profitability ....

Hey guys, we've made some tweaks to the mobility on the Prowler, improving base speed and agility and adding a little bit more mass. This gives the Prowler a noticeable speed increase vs the other BRs and improves its align time slightly.

They did change the align time by increasing the mass but its barely noticeable as Prowler Viator and Prorator will have a 5s align time with a nano .
About the sig radius it not relevant as you should be cloacked before locking,and the difference in sig radius between the four hulls isn't that big anyway at least not in a noticeable way when targeting one of them.

Hey guys, we've made some tweaks to the mobility on the Prowler, improving base speed and agility and adding a little bit more mass. This gives the Prowler a noticeable speed increase vs the other BRs and improves its align time slightly.

Going on racial flavor here, anything going to happen to the Prorator to give it that little bit of an 'edge' that was watered down with these notes?

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

On the subject of bubble immunity, we are of the opinion that adding that bonus to these ships would be far too strong and trivialize the risks of moving medium sized cargos through nullsec space. This isn't really the place for bubble immunity.

And on cargo scanner immunity, I completely agree that the bonus is more powerful (too powerful when combined with everything else) on the Deep Space Transports, and that it can be a liability for some autopiloting BRs. However it can be a useful tool for carrying extremely high value cargos and it fits so perfectly with the thematic role of the Blockade Runners that I am quite hesitant to remove it completely. Having the bonus prevent scanning from NPC customs officers is an idea I like a lot and that we will investigate further.

Hey guys, we've made some tweaks to the mobility on the Prowler, improving base speed and agility and adding a little bit more mass. This gives the Prowler a noticeable speed increase vs the other BRs and improves its align time slightly.

Before these changes it was hard and rare to get a blockade runner with juicy cargo, now it is all but impossible. This is wrong and bad gameplay. We should at least have some chance if the blockade runners pilot is flying badly.

We experimented with this when the change happened. We lost isk.

You know nothing about ganking, hence your comment about swapping out ammo on a cat. Not only would you lose isk randomly ganking blockade runners but you would also have to grind up your sec status after a few ganks so we have a large downtime. The entire enterprise is a waste of time and isk. I also doubt you even fly a blockade runner, you simply see this as a negative impact to a group of players you do not like and thus, you want to support it no matter if it is a bad game design.

Before these changes it was hard and rare to get a blockade runner with juicy cargo, now it is all but impossible. This is wrong and bad gameplay. We should at least have some chance if the blockade runners pilot is flying badly.

... a BR pilot could mess up is cloack+mwd trick or simply being decloacked, in other security status than H-S .My bad should have been more clear .Is it crystal now ?...

This is not really necessary. Just offline MWD and online cyno when needed. I always do this on covops frigs and bombers. No need to keep covops cyno constantly online. Also you won't die to a missclick this way.

The risk of being ganked should'nt be lower for a lazy pilot ,no matter the value of cargo .CCP should keep promoting active piloting over automation even when this is a game feature and unscannability do that perfectly .

Well objectively speaking you still have a higher chance of being ganked autopiloting an empty BR than you do manually (and correctly) flying one that's carrying billions of ISK worth of cargo, even if it so happens that people can scan your cargo and know for sure that there's nothing inside for the former.

So I don't see what the problem is. Blockade runners should not have scan immunity.

Any news on changing the immunity to include or be for hiding goods from NPC's?

It's something we're going to investigate, but not for the Kronos release.

My one concern with having the bonus prevent scanning by NPC customs officers is that you've now removed any issues with transporting illegal goods through high-sec. Hold full of drugs? Throw it in a Blockade Runner and auto-pilot straight to Jita 4-4.