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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:46:00 -
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How about black armor tanking missile boats? Pretty please?
Forsch
Defender of the empire
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Kardim
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:58:00 -
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im in on this one, id love to see khanid worth something.
when people cant sell the t2 amarr at horridly outrageous prices u know they suck...
most HAC's go for 160-200+ M nowadays and u can find a sacrilidge for 80-100M easily.
anyways /singed
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:33:00 -
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@ the OP: WTF with a 50% dmg bonus on EM missiles on malediction, that's the one amarr inty that's fine imo
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:33:00 -
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@ the OP: WTF with a 50% dmg bonus on EM missiles on malediction, that's the one amarr inty that's fine imo
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Kldraina
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:28:00 -
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Personally, I'd like to see Khanid become the kings of dura-tanking. I.E. shield extenders and armor plates for lots of raw HP. It would take a lot of work to make them any good at it though, since this tactic is generally a bad idea. |
Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:00:00 -
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I thought this was such a good idea, so well thought out in a logical order and format from concept to specific changes that it has influenced me to start training up for T2 missiles.
It makes THAT much sense to implement Khanid in such a fashion.
BRING ON THE NEW KHANID!!!!
Nyxus
 Originally by: Tux
The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/06/2006 21:45:19
Originally by: Aakron
Sarmaul for president
The Amarr Empire is not a democracy. 
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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Rule 1: Thou Shalt Armour Tank
Khanid ships are going to take their tank from their Amarrian heritage. These ships should be the hardest armour tankers in game, something that is pretty much garenteed by the next couple of rules.
But this contradicts the description of Khanid ships:
Quote:
Developer: Khanid Innovation
Constantly striving to combine the best of two worlds, Khanid Innovation have utilized their Caldari connections to such an extent that the Kingdom's ships now possess the most advanced shield generators outside Caldari space, as well as fairly robust electronics systems.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 27/06/2006 22:02:04
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Sarmaul
Rule 1: Thou Shalt Armour Tank
Khanid ships are going to take their tank from their Amarrian heritage. These ships should be the hardest armour tankers in game, something that is pretty much garenteed by the next couple of rules.
But this contradicts the description of Khanid ships:
Quote:
Developer: Khanid Innovation
Constantly striving to combine the best of two worlds, Khanid Innovation have utilized their Caldari connections to such an extent that the Kingdom's ships now possess the most advanced shield generators outside Caldari space, as well as fairly robust electronics systems.
Then make up some stupid news piece where Khanid decide it's time for a major revamp of their ships. While their at it, the Minmatar Republic can steal their shield technology and get a hitpoint boost :)
edit: I'm fully aware of the backstory for Khanid ships. My point is that it is a daft idea and armour tanking missile spammers is far better and more plausable than:
Boss Naka: "Ying, we need to make our ships different from our Amarrian counterparts."
Scientist Ying: "I know, as our guns use loads of cap, lets use a form of tanking that also uses loads of cap. The two go hand in hand! 4 midslots is more than enough to run a full shield tank. Just look at the heathen's Vagabond - if it doesn't need hardeners then neither do we."
Boss Naka: "Genius! You're promoted!"
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
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Furry Butt
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:54:00 -
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Bumpage.
But seriously. The ideas put forward by Sarmaul (at the top of the thread...) are a great idea.
I am amarr specced myself and my one little hope at the moment is that the sexy black ships are fixed up to be armor tanking missle boats instead of mere shadows of their Cathium buddies.
It will give Amarr characters something else to do as well.
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:55:00 -
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^^ Stupid Alt ^^
Time for the biomass reprocessing for you DIE
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:18:00 -
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Also, this backstory is mostly ignored by the ships stats right now anyway. Compare the Damnation and the Absolution. The first with "the most advanced shield generators outside Caldari space" has exactly the same shield HP than the latter one.
Either way - we have here a thing which is more precious than a field full of morphite in 1.0 space: a thread where pretty much *everyone* aggrees that it is a good idea. Unlike 99.9% of all other threads in the ship & modules forums.
I know that Tux stated that responding to a thread does often derail or "contaminate" it, but here pretty much everything has been said so far. Any..comment? Pretty please with cream?
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.07.03 01:11:00 -
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Tux - please help me.
Every time I read this post my pants get tight. Too tight. Repeated and constant readings have caused me serious bruising. And my wife is begining to wonder about why I look at this page 100 times an evening with pants stretched to the breaking point.
Sometimes I walk down the street and think about missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ships and I get all excited. REAL excited. People start to stare at me and I try to pretend that I was just looking at the new Victoria's Secret catalog or something but I think they may be catching on. The Sacriledge picture I put over the top of Tyra's head may be giving me away. It's either that or the t-shirt with a picture of Sarmaul on it, I dunno which.
My wife is getting angry with me too. She has woken me up several times when she has heard me talking in my sleep saying things like "Sarmaul...Khanid...so hot.." and "Oh Tuxford, please don't make me beg anymore.......". I have told her that I was just dreaming about some paperwork that I needed to finish at work, but I don't think she believes me. Last time she yelled at me a lot becuase I was rubbing my happy place on her while sleeping and mumbling about the Vengeance and Malediction. I tried to make a joke out of it and laugh it off, but she didn't seem to think it was very funny.
Tux, please tell us if you are considering this option for Khanid, or if you are currently working on an implementation similar to this. My doctor says that if it keeps going on like this, my bruising may lead to more serious pants injuries and my wife's patience is seriously begining to run out.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux
The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Tiny Carlos
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Posted - 2006.07.03 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: babylonstew
+10% to missile damage on the mal isnt that twice what the crow gets?
Crow: "Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage per level"
The 10% damage bonuses are doubles, the three other inties with +10% damage (claw, taranis, crow) have only 3 bonuses.
You need to lose a bonus, the laser cap use makes most sense I guess.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:11:00 -
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If they wanted to keep in RP then they could something along the lines of this ...
SAC :
6/5/4
4 missiles/3 turrets
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use and 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level
5% EM missile damage for lights and heavy missiles and 5% assault and heavy missile launchers per level
shield capacity
1693
shield em damage resistance
15 %
shield explosive damage resistance
60 %
shield kinetic damage resistance
65 %
shield thermal damage resistance
80 %
armorhp
1724
armor em damage resistance
60 %
armor explosive damage resistance
10 %
armor kinetic damage resistance
58,5 %
armor thermal damage resistance
86,25 %
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:46:00 -
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i tend to like these ideas cept tho I think for the sake of damage they should go for sheild tanking on the Sac and 4 missle slots so as to accomodate 4 heavy ml and 2 nos as opposed to a 5/1 fit as well as making the armor resistance bonus a sheild one instead another option tho is making it practically an Eagle and having it as a sniper since really the Eagle is the most common turret sniper used.
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snotty
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:47:00 -
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why copying caldari resists to amarr?
we mainly fight them runnaway slaves
if you want a shieldtank amarr hac, it should get the 90% explosive and 70% kin shield resist.
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.07.03 22:43:00 -
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Sarmaul's ideas are great.
I really hope a Dev sees these suggestions as I honestly think it will help solve some of the problems with amarr ships in general.
Because....at the moment....generally speaking the cool looking black ships really aren't much chop overall.
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.07.04 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Agama on 04/07/2006 22:24:18
Damn....back to page 4.
This is a great idea that shouldn't die.
It would be great to get some kind of official response. :)
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Bondage Betty
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Posted - 2006.07.04 22:39:00 -
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Sounds delicious.
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Serj Darek
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Posted - 2006.07.04 22:40:00 -
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I think this idea is great! Seems to be a bit more logical than what the Khanid are atm.
Fix the Typhoon description!
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Artie Fufkin
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Posted - 2006.07.04 23:46:00 -
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I have to admit first, that I didnt read the whole thread, it started getting blurry around page 3 :s
I like the idea in principal, differentiating the Khanid ships can only be a good thing. However I am very worried that Missiles + Armour Tank would be too powerful. Its well known that Armour Tanking is significantly lighter on the cap than a shield tank. Relative to the amounts tanked & so forth, well im not quite sure what the ratio of hp/cap is... But it was my understanding that its the cap requirements of hybrids/lasers that keep the Gallente & Amarr armour tanks in balance?
Something else i'd like to chuck at this, is the proposed Sacri Setup of Dual Reps, Lots of Cap Relays/Rechargers, and pure missile spammage... it sounds uh... overpowered? Its these sorts of things that would make such an implementation difficult. Obviously, there are more considerations that what i've posted, and im generalising, but it does sound to me like too much of a win/win situation. And people already complain about the raven's ability to fit a strong tank and full weapon systems. If you can come up with some figures to disprove me, Well then congrats, you've a viable idea. But it is very very concerning.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.07.05 00:18:00 -
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AAND MİNMATAR TECHNOLOGY COMES TO GALLENTES!!! NO MORE CAP USE İN HYBRİDS YAY! what were you waiting our scientist were working also!!!
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:56:00 -
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Damn....Page 4.
Another bump for this great idea.
Devs...pretty please.....
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Sniser
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
If they wanted to keep in RP then they could something along the lines of this ...
SAC :
6/5/4
4 missiles/3 turrets
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use and 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level
5% EM missile damage for lights and heavy missiles and 5% assault and heavy missile launchers per level
shield capacity
1693
shield em damage resistance
15 %
shield explosive damage resistance
60 %
shield kinetic damage resistance
65 %
shield thermal damage resistance
80 %
armorhp
1724
armor em damage resistance
60 %
armor explosive damage resistance
10 %
armor kinetic damage resistance
58,5 %
armor thermal damage resistance
86,25 %
dont mix weapons, take off that energy turret capacitor and add 10% velocity with light missiles , heavy etc..
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Tar Ecthelion
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:23:00 -
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/signed, with utmost conviction.
Make me lub my ickle Saccy again please 
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"When you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite"
Winston Churchill
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Hitomi Ayame
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:40:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Nyxus
Tux - please help me.
Every time I read this post my pants get tight. Too tight. Repeated and constant readings have caused me serious bruising. And my wife is begining to wonder about why I look at this page 100 times an evening with pants stretched to the breaking point.
Sometimes I walk down the street and think about missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ships and I get all excited. REAL excited. People start to stare at me and I try to pretend that I was just looking at the new Victoria's Secret catalog or something but I think they may be catching on. The Sacriledge picture I put over the top of Tyra's head may be giving me away. It's either that or the t-shirt with a picture of Sarmaul on it, I dunno which.
My wife is getting angry with me too. She has woken me up several times when she has heard me talking in my sleep saying things like "Sarmaul...Khanid...so hot.." and "Oh Tuxford, please don't make me beg anymore.......". I have told her that I was just dreaming about some paperwork that I needed to finish at work, but I don't think she believes me. Last time she yelled at me a lot becuase I was rubbing my happy place on her while sleeping and mumbling about the Vengeance and Malediction. I tried to make a joke out of it and laugh it off, but she didn't seem to think it was very funny.
Tux, please tell us if you are considering this option for Khanid, or if you are currently working on an implementation similar to this. My doctor says that if it keeps going on like this, my bruising may lead to more serious pants injuries and my wife's patience is seriously begining to run out.
Nyxus
That made my day.
This thread must not die! Missile spewing armor tankers ftw!
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:06:00 -
[178]
♥♥♥
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.07.06 00:38:00 -
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This would be great.
Armour tanking missile boats !!!
It would give Amarr pilots something different to try to specialist in and it would give Caldari / Missile Specialist another racial ship to move into other than Gallente (and have to train Guns, drones, and armour tanking).
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.06 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sniser
dont mix weapons, take off that energy turret capacitor and add 10% velocity with light missiles , heavy etc..
you know... that is the base stat for a cruiser 5 so it ISN'T going to get changed or I want a 5% damage to all missile damage on the Cerebrus instead of kinetic damage.
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