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Evei Shard Shard Industries 306	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:33:00 - [241] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: Indeed undock warp to zero click overheat press f1 is very hard... Is there a point to that nonsense, or would you like me to highlight how it's still more effort than their victims have ever put into the game? Because the newbie missions now include a free freighter and the skill books to fly it along with a free skill point booster that brings the total training time down to just 8 days, right? Profit favors the prepared
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7138	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:36:00 - [242] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: Indeed undock warp to zero click overheat press f1 is very hard... Is there a point to that nonsense, or would you like me to highlight how it's still more effort than their victims have ever put into the game? Because the newbie missions now include a free freighter and the skill books to fly it along with a free skill point booster that brings the total training time down to just 8 days, right? Hey, thanks for highlighting how freighter pilots are by definition not new players and really should know better than to do the kind of stupid things you have to do to get ganked. I was wondering if anybody was going to fall for that one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Blobskillz McBlub STAHLSTURM 1	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:37:00 - [243] - Quote CODE. might be a bunch of wanna-be high sec mafiosi but stuff that Marmite does or even organising scouts and enough people to succesfully gank a freighter takes a certain degree of commitment and planning that most high sec carebears never put into the game.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 641	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:38:00 - [244] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: Indeed undock warp to zero click overheat press f1 is very hard... No, it isn't. Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. Especially if the target(s) is(are) as overpowered as a lone freighter. But in both cases, getting a dozen or a hundred people doing that at the right time and place, over and over, and translating it into hundreds of billion ISK killed is pretty impressive.
Carmen Electra Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk 509	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:41:00 - [245] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Way too much for way too little. Getting basic support skills to lvl 3 is too much for too little?
Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2518	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:41:00 - [246] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Christina Project wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Solecist Project wrote: In my head everything's easy! I even bought a couple hundred thrashers! Good for you! I look forward to you getting a bunch of guys together and killing a few hundred billion ISK of freighters. So you not even not adress my post, you try to ridicule me in a way that works with only the stupidest of people. What does "gathering people to shoot things" have to do with "finding industrials willing to do what they love" ? Nothing. So, do you have any actual experience in suicide ganking solo or in a fleet? No answer?? Thought so. I'm not trying to ridicule you, unexpectedly-cute-'Project'-alt. Since I do not think you're the stupidest of people, I was surprised that - even in a trollolol thread - you would write boring 'suicide ganking is easy and cowardly' posts. Ganking a single freighter is easy, ganking a couple hundred billion worth of ships and pods per month is pretty impressive. A group leadership that can pull that off would certainly do quite good in 'kosher' fleet pvp (and they probably have done at some point in their EVE career). That's his whole shtick. You can list the 20 or so things it takes to pull off a freighter gank and he'll call each one "easy" and laugh at you for being so simple minded. But don't take offense, he feels the same way about all activities in Eve. "Form a large alliance and take a bunch of sov??? Gah, like that's eve hard," is something you could probably hear him say. Project thinks we are all ******** for playing Eve. The only one who does Eve right is, you guessed it Project. Although I am unclear as to what he does, I can assure you it is both epic and something no one else can do. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 10162	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:42:00 - [247] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. The hardest part for most people is aligning before the fleet warp. There's always a few plebs left behind. /guilty Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Arronicus X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1059	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:44:00 - [248] - Quote Christina Project wrote: Noragli wrote: The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space. Nope. The problem is that these people hide in station so much that people rightfully have the feeling that they can't do anything about it ... because they can't. These cowards hide, have neutral alts finding targets, undock, strike, dock up again. The whole ganking process doesn't take even a minute. . Yes and no. Yes, that's what they do, no, the ganking process is not even close to a minute. Taking into account undocking and warping to the target (10-20 seconds depending), actually killing the target (again, 10-30 seconds), warping to station or somewhere safe to allow aggression/weapons flag to wear off (what is it, 2 minutes?) then docking up, you're looking at about 3 minutes for the entire ganking process. It is impossible to do in a minute or less under any conditions.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1204	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:45:00 - [249] - Quote Mag's wrote: I made the following post in reply to this post. Posted: 2014.06.09 01:04 It highlights fittings at that point. Mag's wrote: Only 18 of those Freighters were a part of this change. 7 Charons 5 Obelisks 5 Fenrir 1 Providence 1 chose not to fit anything. 5 decided to fit for full cargo. 3 chose 2 cargo expanders and either an Inertia stab, or nanofiber. 1 chose 1 cargo and 2 local stabs. 1 chose all stabs. 2 chose all nanofibers. 1 chose 2 local stabs and a nanofiber. 2 chose 2 stabs II and 1 bulk II. 1 fitted all Bulkhead II 1 chose 3 armour tank mods. Experimental Explosive plating I, Refuge Adaptive nano plating I and an Elemental Kinetic Plating I So out of those 18, only 4 chose some tank and out of those only 2 chose all tank. But then only one went with all bulkheads. The one with all bulkheads was moving 3.6 billion in cargo and the armour pilot 5.9. Out of the 3 jump freighters, only 1 was in the change period and he didn't fit a thing. So yes, I would say all is well. Most haulers are not thinking straight and many of then are fitting for full cargo. Isn't that a surprise. If there is an increase after this change, in what is now considered a rather rare act, then the blame can only point one way. (Hint, it's not the gankers fault.) Even though full tank freighters are rare, if CODE. is still ganking them empty or not, is there any reason to actually make a full bulkhead fit? One would think it better to get through the system as quickly as possible considering EHP and cargo don't matter in this instance. This past weekend there were actually 2 all bulkhead kills I am aware of, 1 carrying under 200 mill, another empty save spare istabs and extenders.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 641	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:46:00 - [250] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. The hardest part for most people is aligning before the fleet warp. There's always a few plebs left behind. /guilty I'd bump you out of alignment on purpose, then warp some other place just you & me.

Evei Shard Shard Industries 306	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:47:00 - [251] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evei Shard wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: Indeed undock warp to zero click overheat press f1 is very hard... Is there a point to that nonsense, or would you like me to highlight how it's still more effort than their victims have ever put into the game? Because the newbie missions now include a free freighter and the skill books to fly it along with a free skill point booster that brings the total training time down to just 8 days, right? Hey, thanks for highlighting how freighter pilots are by definition not new players and really should know better than to do the kind of stupid things you have to do to get ganked. I was wondering if anybody was going to fall for that one. Training a recycled alt to fly a catalyst and wait for someone else to warp you to a target so you can press F1 is so much effort and experience invested, but please, keep trying to change the subject. Also, please provide proof that the ganked freighters in question were on autopilot. Profit favors the prepared
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Unleashed Pestilence 688	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:47:00 - [252] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: The only one who does Eve right is, you guessed it Project. Although I am unclear as to what he does, I can assure you it is both epic and something no one else can do. I am in awe of his mastery. We love you Mr(s). Project! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 14391	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:48:00 - [253] - Quote Blobskillz McBlub wrote: ... takes a certain degree of commitment and planning that most high sec carebears never put into the game. Good sir, are you insinuating that Highseccers have an aversion to ::effort::? I can assure you good sir, that highsec's highly successful and organized invasion and subsequent destruction of VFK is proof that they indeed are capable of such things. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 641	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:51:00 - [254] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Way too much for way too little. Getting basic support skills to lvl 3 is too much for too little? Someone that thinks: Solecist Project wrote: His issue was most likely tracking or range. about small artillery trying to hit a 150m/s pod, may be a little confused.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7139	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:53:00 - [255] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: Training a recycled alt to fly a catalyst and wait for someone else to warp you to a target so you can press F1 is so much effort and experience invested, but please, keep trying to change the subject. Also, please provide proof that the ganked freighters in question were on autopilot. That'd be by virtue of getting ganked. You cut the time in which you can be shot at by about 4/5ths if you warp to zero. Don't autopilot, don't afk mine. If you do, you have no one to blame but yourself for abdicating your own defense. Oh, and please stop repeating the lie that gank alts are recycled, as that is a bannable offense. If you actually have proof of it instead of just you repeating a bullshit carebear urban legend that idiots tell themselves around the campfires to feel better, then by all means please submit a petition to that effect. Otherwise, shut it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 10164	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:54:00 - [256] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. The hardest part for most people is aligning before the fleet warp. There's always a few plebs left behind. /guilty I'd bump you out of alignment on purpose, then warp some other place just you & me. Thankfully I equip my Tengus with the warp speed subystem. So even though I'm often last to warp I'm still the first to land, much to my delight everyone else's frustration. So with that in mind, just gimme a bump anytime, and I'll be waiting on grid when you land. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Mizhir Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 63384	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:56:00 - [257] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. The hardest part for most people is aligning before the fleet warp. There's always a few plebs left behind. /guilty I'd bump you out of alignment on purpose, then warp some other place just you & me. I would do the same. Erica's corpse would look fine in my collection :) One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp
Evei Shard Shard Industries 306	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:58:00 - [258] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evei Shard wrote: Training a recycled alt to fly a catalyst and wait for someone else to warp you to a target so you can press F1 is so much effort and experience invested, but please, keep trying to change the subject. Also, please provide proof that the ganked freighters in question were on autopilot. That'd be by virtue of getting ganked. You cut the time in which you can be shot at by about 4/5ths if you warp to zero. Don't autopilot, don't afk mine. If you do, you have no one to blame but yourself for abdicating your own defense. Oh, and please stop repeating the lie that gank alts are recycled, as that is a bannable offense. If you actually have proof of it instead of just you repeating a bullshit carebear urban legend that idiots tell themselves around the campfires to feel better, then by all means please submit a petition to that effect. Otherwise, shut it. Right. "shut it" about something that is against forum rules to openly discuss beyond mention. Real tough talk. I'll provide evidence for such activities right after you provide proof that the freighters are putting no effort into the game by auto-piloting. Perhaps you are the one who should "shut it". Profit favors the prepared
RoAnnon Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 327	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:58:00 - [259] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Who is this magical, omnipresent person you are talking about? It definitely can't be me, although you wrongly use the word "you" ? Escorts? Random people in local? The freighter pilot himself? (another "you" you've used, that makes even less sense) Maybe you can explain it properly? Thanks. Okay, the first "you" was directed at the other Project person, who I quoted. If that's you, then.. cool. The rest of the "you"s in my comment would be a generic pronoun used to identify the pilot of a freighter being ganked. Beyond any sort of confusion caused by the multiplicity of yous in my comment, it's all pretty straightforward and I don't see where additional confusion could arise. So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 10166	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:01:00 - [260] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. The hardest part for most people is aligning before the fleet warp. There's always a few plebs left behind. /guilty I'd bump you out of alignment on purpose, then warp some other place just you & me. I would do the same. Erica's corpse would look fine in my collection :) Yeah, some corpmates were trying to get me to suicide all my characters and sell them a full set the other evening. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio

Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 645	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:01:00 - [261] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Neither is 'take fleet warp, orbit anchor, asign drones'. The hardest part for most people is aligning before the fleet warp. There's always a few plebs left behind. /guilty I'd bump you out of alignment on purpose, then warp some other place just you & me. I would do the same. Erica's corpse would look fine in my collection :) Living, breathing, pulsing corpse i presume?
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 167	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:05:00 - [262] - Quote Noragli wrote: Rhes wrote: Noragli wrote: When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing. EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit. Eve is pretty much all about blowing up spaceships. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley
Dani Dusette Rolled Out 1679	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:06:00 - [263] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Yeah, some corpmates were trying to get me to suicide all my characters and sell them a full set the other evening. inb4 we are all awoxed in the night. In our beds. Mizhir:-á "Dani Dusette, Best Dusette" Samoth Egnoled: "Make sure you turn yourself often and bathe in your own juices." ISD Ezwal: "Might I inform you that I am as real as it gets?"
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7142	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:08:00 - [264] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: Right. "shut it" about something that is against forum rules to openly discuss beyond mention. Real tough talk. I'll provide evidence for such activities right after you provide proof that the freighters are putting no effort into the game by auto-piloting. Perhaps you are the one who should "shut it". No, you won't provide such a thing. Because it doesn't happen. The GMs come knocking if you even delete a character that used to have low sec status sometimes. They police that kind of thing, as best I can tell, better than they do botting itself. As opposed to freighters. Which, if you died in, is highly likely you were autopiloting. Nevermind that it's not actually a violation of the EULA to autopilot. So when I accuse freighter pilots of being afk and exhibiting bot aspirant behavior, it's quite a different thing for you to spout off about the myth of recycling gank alts. So like I said, shut it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Evei Shard Shard Industries 307	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:12:00 - [265] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evei Shard wrote: Right. "shut it" about something that is against forum rules to openly discuss beyond mention. Real tough talk. I'll provide evidence for such activities right after you provide proof that the freighters are putting no effort into the game by auto-piloting. Perhaps you are the one who should "shut it". No, you won't provide such a thing. Because it doesn't happen. The GMs come knocking if you even delete a character that used to have low sec status sometimes. They police that kind of thing, as best I can tell, better than they do botting itself. As opposed to freighters. Which, if you died in, is highly likely you were autopiloting. Nevermind that it's not actually a violation of the EULA to autopilot. So when I accuse freighter pilots of being afk and exhibiting bot aspirant behavior, it's quite a different thing for you to spout off about the myth of recycling gank alts. So like I said, shut it. And you can't prove that freighters are AFK/autopiloting. You seem agitated about this so-called "myth". If it's a myth, why does CCP ban for it I wonder. Or you just upset because it's masking guilt? Profit favors the prepared
Baden Luskan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:12:00 - [266] - Quote Christina Project wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened? Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again. Make CCP nerf the cowards and the game will change. Until then you have to live with these cowards. Gotta agree for the most part. When the attacker can mathematically perfect a gank to a 100% chance, then I don't see how it's any different than having someone be 100% safe in high sec. On top of that, the targets that usually get ganked are the ones unable to fit weapons. So, not only can the ganker ensure he will kill the target before concord shows up, he can make sure his target cant fight back. The PvP system in high sec should challenging to attacker and defender equally, and it should not be such a strait-forward system to where either side can determine their success or failure with 100% absolutes.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2324	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:12:00 - [267] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evei Shard wrote: Right. "shut it" about something that is against forum rules to openly discuss beyond mention. Real tough talk. I'll provide evidence for such activities right after you provide proof that the freighters are putting no effort into the game by auto-piloting. Perhaps you are the one who should "shut it". No, you won't provide such a thing. Because it doesn't happen. The GMs come knocking if you even delete a character that used to have low sec status sometimes. They police that kind of thing, as best I can tell, better than they do botting itself. As opposed to freighters. Which, if you died in, is highly likely you were autopiloting. Nevermind that it's not actually a violation of the EULA to autopilot. So when I accuse freighter pilots of being afk and exhibiting bot aspirant behavior, it's quite a different thing for you to spout off about the myth of recycling gank alts. So like I said, shut it. Roc Tazinas just lost his noobship, carrying nine skillbooks. Send him my best wishes. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 - Cowards deserve punishment -
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1171	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:15:00 - [268] - Quote I think routinely ganking empty freighters is pretty stupid. There is no defence against this other than not flying freighters. Going down this path will definitely result in a further nerf to ganking. Everything should have a counter. It should be carrying a cargo value below the ganking threshold. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2324	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:15:00 - [269] - Quote Dani Dusette wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Yeah, some corpmates were trying to get me to suicide all my characters and sell them a full set the other evening. inb4 we are all awoxed in the night. In our beds. Who wouldn't want to awox you in his bed? ;) Nice looks. (: The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 - Cowards deserve punishment -
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 645	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:17:00 - [270] - Quote Baden Luskan wrote: The PvP system in high sec should be challenging to the attacker and defender equally, and it should not be such a strait-forward system to where either side can determine their success or failure with 100% absolutes. Get out of highsec, problem solved. Most straightforward PVP system ever: shoot... anybody... anywhere! Some minor hassle on lowsec gates and stations, unless you're both happy flashies, which is reccomended anyway.



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