Oooh! Comedy option: Scimitar or even Basilisk with all those mids filled with ECM, and the lows with SDAs.
Or, hell, anything with midslots will do, soGǪ Badger II ECM Tayra GÇö nothing like spanking gankers in an indy.

Do you mean -10.0 gankers?

Or even positive sec status alts that can be safely locked in advance, and then either ECM'd or Alpha'd 1 second after they go GCC?

Are you sure you know the game mechanics?

I don't think HS should be "safe", but right now the issue is that it's simply too safe for pirates - specifically, it's just not risky enough to gank.

Please list all of the risks and punishments for ganking.

While your at it, please tell me why you feel my gameplay that has been in game from day one should be wiped out because you don't want to put in any effort to protect yourself.

Yes I'm sure that I am I'm wondering if you are. Yes I understand that you can attack these guys once they attack. When you travel through any of the high 0.5 sec gates on the main pipes you see dozens of gankers sitting there and I know of no ship that can lock up dozens of ships at once so you need wait and see who shoots and wait for them to go red before you can lock and either ECM them or shoot at them in either case they only plan on making it about 15 seconds or so anyway so if you can't even attempt to shoot or jam them for 5 or so seconds you are not taking that ship out of the equation only reducing it's effectiveness.

For gankers to add another ship or two just incase you have help which they will do if more people start having escorts is not a huge expense increase but having escorts is.

As far as -10 pilots I'm not a ganker and don't know how they gank like they do but I am assuming they are off grid and jump in ship stored in an orca and warp to gank when their scouts tell them the freighter will be on grid. Yes you can shoot -10 players but they are going flashy red as soon as they land an lock anyway so the sec status has nearly no adverse affect.

I am not saying that there is nothing that friends could do to help what I am saying is that you need expensive T2 ships like command ships and they need to always be with all of the freighter pilots all the time where as the gankers only need to counter that with a couple extra cheap T1 ships and only when the gank is happening.

On one side you have a need for more expensive ships to permanently be with you and on the other side you have cheaper ships that only need to be there for the time that the gank is happening. I don't do this game play so it does not affect me. I'm just saying there is no balance here and the risk versus reward ratio just does not match up.

There's no problem with ganking mechanics as they are now if the intention is for EVE to be a game primarily for sadists. If there's supposed to be "space for everyone" though, then there is a problem when it comes to HS ganking whether you like it or not.

I don't think HS should be "safe", but right now the issue is that it's simply too safe for pirates - specifically, it's just not risky enough to gank. Gank targets also have almost no way to fight back - kill rights and war decs are supposed to provide some form of this in the game but they fail miserably.

Locking time on a hauler

When you travel through any of the high 0.5 sec gates on the main pipes you see dozens of gankers sitting there and I know of no ship that can lock up dozens of ships at once so you need wait and see who shoots and wait for them to go red before you can lock and either ECM them or shoot at them in either case they only plan on making it about 15 seconds or so anyway so if you can't even attempt to shoot or jam them for 5 or so seconds you are not taking that ship out of the equation only reducing it's effectiveness.

For gankers to add another ship or two just incase you have help which they will do if more people start having escorts is not a huge expense increase but having escorts is.

I don't think HS should be "safe", but right now the issue is that it's simply too safe for pirates - specifically, it's just not risky enough to gank.

If ganking was as truly riskless as people claim then a lot more people would be doing it.

Despite their best efforts gankers only make a small dent in freighter traffic, for every one they gank, many more complete their journeys. If the odds of getting ganked are worse than 1 in 20 in the pipes and 1 in 10 in the chokes I'd be surprised.

Please list all of the risks and punishments for ganking.

While your at it, please tell me why you feel my gameplay that has been in game from day one should be wiped out because you don't want to put in any effort to protect yourself.

If ganking was as truly riskless as people claim then a lot more people would be doing it.

Despite their best efforts gankers only make a small dent in freighter traffic, for every one they gank, many more complete their journeys. If the odds of getting ganked are worse than 1 in 20 in the pipes and 1 in 10 in the chokes I'd be surprised.

Ok. Punishments for ganking:
1. You get a kill right on you. So what? It's not like you gank with your incursion running character.
2. You lose sec status. So what? What you lose is a minor deterrent right now at best
3. You lose your ship. So what? Your ship was cheap as &*@!

1. Tears from someone who lost way more than you did (guaranteed, no way for them to meaningfully fight you back, even in HS)
2. Possible shiny things

If you want your gameplay in HS though, you should have to risk more in the interest of a balanced game (if people other than you matter). As others have already said, the effort required to protect yourself in HS is simply too great. That's why nobody ever does it.

Given the millions of trips made every month and the few dosen that are killed I would say It exceedingly rare.

Ok. Punishments for ganking:
1. You get a kill right on you. So what? It's not like you gank with your incursion running character.
2. You lose sec status. So what? What you lose is a minor deterrent right now at best
3. You lose your ship. So what? Your ship was cheap as &*@!

Rewards for ganking:
1. Tears from someone who lost way more than you did (guaranteed, no way for them to meaningfully fight you back, even in HS)
2. Possible shiny things

I never said your gameplay should be wiped out. If you want your gameplay in HS though, you should have to risk more in the interest of a balanced game (if people other than you matter). As others have already said, the effort required to protect yourself in HS is simply too great. That's why nobody ever does it. Why don't we ever see bait freighters in HS? Right now, there's simply nothing to make that type of gameplay worth it for the other party.

And for the record, I almost never fly in high sec. I just happen to realize that this aspect of the game is imbalanced and attracts only one particular type of player to the game while deterring others. I don't care much for tears, ganks and F1 turkey shoots though. It's not why I play. I play for real PvP. I don't have a problem with that play-style though, it's just that it shouldn't be a risk-free "I win" button in HS, which it is.

Given the millions of trips made every month and the few dosen that are killed I would say It exceedingly rare.

1. So the next time you try, someone will activate it and you'll die prematurely and the gank will fail.
2. So the next time you try, someone will kill you prematurely and the gank will fail.
3. So you have to pick your targets with care, or the gank will be an economic failure.


1. Far from guaranteed, partly because some simply don't tear up and partly because they have meaningful ways to fight back if they choose to and might be plotting for that kind of revenge instead.
2. In other words, subject to random chance.

No, the effort is not GÇ£too greatGÇ¥. The effort just isn't non-zero, and that is more than people are willing to put in. That is not a balance problem GÇö that's people willingly and actively choosing to be hapless victims. Plenty of people do it, which is how they manage to never get ganked and why there is an entire (highly profitable) industry built around nothing but hauling.

Believe it or not, many people find ganking boring af. Doesn't mean it's balanced.

A few dosen die out of millions of trips and you think the ganking is out of control and unbalanced?

lol ur funny

I'm done responding now since this isn't worth my time. You're stretching those points there though Tippia, your argument is getting thin.

lol ur funny

I'm done responding now since

I never said your gameplay should be wiped out.

As others have already said, the effort required to protect yourself in HS is simply too great. That's why nobody ever does it. Why don't we ever see bait freighters in HS? Right now, there's simply nothing to make that type of gameplay worth it for the other party.

And for the record, I almost never fly in high sec.

I just happen to realize that this aspect of the game is imbalanced and attracts only one particular type of player to the game while deterring others.

I play for real PvP. I don't have a problem with that play-style though, it's just that it shouldn't be a risk-free "I win" button in HS, which it is.

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Lol @ "real PvP". Unless they've finally disqualified carebears from counting as real players (which is something I'd be just fine with personally), then it is "real PvP". As much as whatever you get yourself up to.

If something is on autopilot or is a bot it seems hard to define that as PvP - you are fighting a computer.

Not that I see anything wrong with ganking AFK miners and autopilot freighters by the way. Go for it. its a legitimate style of play.

But to call it PvP is stretching it, you are relying on some sort of semantic argument about how PvP is defined. The real life player is off making coffee or shagging the next door neighbor.

lol ur funny

I'm done responding now since this isn't worth my time. You're stretching those points there though Tippia, your argument is getting thin.

As a suicide ganker, I'm gonna have to say that my play style is not a problem. please don't nerf it any more.

Your problem is you are terrible at begging. However all is not lost just try some of that level 5 James315 butt kissing on CCP.

Yes I'm sure that I am I'm wondering if you are. Yes I understand that you can attack these guys once they attack. When you travel through any of the high 0.5 sec gates on the main pipes you see dozens of gankers sitting there and I know of no ship that can lock up dozens of ships at once so you need wait and see who shoots and wait for them to go red before you can lock and either ECM them or shoot at them in either case they only plan on making it about 15 seconds or so anyway so if you can't even attempt to shoot or jam them for 5 or so seconds you are not taking that ship out of the equation only reducing it's effectiveness.

For gankers to add another ship or two just incase you have help which they will do if more people start having escorts is not a huge expense increase but having escorts is.

Ok. Punishments for ganking:
1. You get a kill right on you. So what? It's not like you gank with your incursion running character.