So what we've learned here is that some people have fundamentally misunderstood what the words GÇ£griefingGÇ¥ and GÇ£problemGÇ¥ mean since they keep applying them to stuff that very obviously does not qualify as either.

I can entirely see how a gank could cause a player to leave

Sigh. Now I'm really confused

Ganking is still possible if they stop outlaws from using ships in hi-sec. It just won't be so rampant, as people will need to fix their sec status before they can gank again. Perhaps people will stop indiscriminate ganking and save their ganks for the ones that matter.

Wait, wait, I can fix this. Oh this is good. Install an ad-blocker in your web browser. Then read their sites, they don't get paid, and you get free intel! OMG this is genius. Or, just send a scout ahead of your loot pinata to see if the way is clear. You could do that. But like the web sites or the ad blocker, :effort:.

All I see is a bunch of ***** gankers who want it to stay as easymode as it is now.

Clearly faction popo is there to deter low standings player from enter high sec space by docking to avoid this seems unintended.

See below for the definition of griefing, i would consider docking in high sec to avoid the faction popo as using "the game in unintended ways". Clearly faction popo is there to deter low standings player from enter high sec space by docking to avoid this seems unintended.

Ganking used to be just mostly about ganking miners in the belts. Now they just target anyone and everyone for the killmails and for lols. In the last 1-2 years freighters became a hot ganker target, they target everyone now.

doesn't mean you don't have to provide a good reason to nerf ganking... again

You know what would be funny? If someone suicide ganked one of the transports they use to ship more ships into the ganking systems.

You know what would be funny? If someone suicide ganked one of the transports they use to ship more ships into the ganking systems.

See below for the definition of griefing

i would consider docking in high sec to avoid the faction popo as using "the game in unintended ways". Clearly faction popo is there to deter low standings player from enter high sec space by docking to avoid this seems unintended.

As from problem, I can entirely see how a gank could cause a player to leave, which is a problem.

If the wholesale ganking of freighters causes freighter pilots to remain at their keyboards, tank their freighters, fly with friends, scout the route, check killboards/maps to see activity on their route, watch size/value of cargo, use webbing alts to move faster/ more efficiently or simply wake up and pay attention, then it is worth it.

If all this happens and freighter pilots refuse to make changes to their gameplay, then who is ultimately to blame?

Clue: probably not the gankers.

All I see is a bunch of ***** gankers who want it to stay as easymode as it is now.

I honestly cannot.

Please explain.

Same reason everyone bitches about taxes, you work hard for your money and it pisses you off when someone takes it from you. Only difference is you can't not pay taxes but you sure can stop playing eve.

Same reason everyone bitches about taxes, you work hard for your money and it pisses you off when someone takes it from you. Only difference is you can't not pay taxes but you sure can stop playing eve.

Same reason everyone bitches about taxes, you work hard for your money and it pisses you off when someone takes it from you. Only difference is you can't not pay taxes but you sure can stop playing eve.

Sure you can (legally) avoid paying taxes: just go live on some unclaimed rock somewhere in the middle of the ocean. You can even call it 'Auron Black Land'.

Would be as much fun as playing EVE all by yourself in a remote system on SiSi.

Same reason everyone bitches about taxes, you work hard for your money and it pisses you off when someone takes it from you. Only difference is you can't not pay taxes but you sure can stop playing eve.

play with myself in a remote system on Sisi [...] I keep coming

Yup Solecist, that's the basics (except the fleet dies, it can't warp away iirc).

But the logistics of 100s of Talos is no small feat.

Also, the split-second timing and coordination involved is nothing to 'chuckle' about. And the scouting/intel gathering isn't trivial either.

The FC needs to kill the target without getting an excessive amount of ships CONCORDed.

Last but not least, keeping a sizeable bunch of guys motivated, entertained and 'on the ball' through all those 15min wait-outs + other waiting time is a challenge too.

Sure, engaging an actual PVP fleet is another thing altogether, but the organizational skills of the top ganker groups are quite good. In my experience, logistics/coordination/motivation makes up 50 to 80% of the success of 'kosher' fleet PVP. In many cases, the skill of the FC makes up almost all the rest.

Solo / small gang PVP requires more single player skill (and is crazy fun), but we rarely make the headlines on TMC:

Come play with yourself in Nisuwa on Tranquillity! We love to watch and - occasionally - join in if you want.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read, and I've been on TEST forums.

Most of EvE revolves around unintended events. The biggest battle in EvE's history occurred because someone forgot to pay the rent. Hell, MANY of the biggest battles have occurred because of unintended occurrences.

If CCP didn't find it acceptable, it could be changed. It hasn't been, ergo, they don't find it unacceptable, ergo, it isn't unintended.

Losing sov because someone forgot to pay rent is a mechanic working as intended. Docking up a low sec status character and using a 0 sec status alt is purposely dodging a mechanic. If you can't see the difference between that I can't help you.

Just because ccp has yet to address an issue doesn't mean they wont. I would be shocked if this loop hole isn't closed, as it is clearly unintended, if you look at it from an unbiased opinion.