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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1875
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Some were yes but many were caught before they got to the point of recycling the alt. In the second interdiction we kept track of the people we reported and a good number ended up getting a week long vacation before they got biomassed
Interesting! You wouldn't happen to have "official" word from CCP saying as much, would you?
Not that I disagree with you, I'd just like a little ammo to toss at the kiddos who suggest this as a "tactic" every other day. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1903
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:04:00 -
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Players reporting each other, paying GM to ban players for using a goofy game mechanic. Not exactly the best design there or even remotely fair justice. If I shoot someone near your intended target I get my punishment and lose the free Velator just like the guy moving the concord fleet. I do this enough I get shut out of highsec and can't continue just like the ganker .... no wait, the ganker can stay in highsec and keep doing his thing forever. Only difference is now you need a non criminal scout to supply bump and scout for you. Conveniently enough the scout stays protected even if in the pirate fleet and the only wayto deal with him is to get facerolled by concord. ;)
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1875
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:16:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Players reporting each other, paying GM to ban players for using a goofy game mechanic. Not exactly the best design there or even remotely fair justice. If I shoot someone near your intended target I get my punishment and lose the free Velator just like the guy moving the concord fleet. I do this enough I get shut out of highsec and can't continue just like the ganker .... no wait, the ganker can stay in highsec and keep doing his thing forever. Only difference is now you need a non criminal scout to supply bump and scout for you. Conveniently enough the scout stays protected even if in the pirate fleet and the only wayto deal with him is to get facerolled by concord. ;)
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty about it, summoning CONCORD for protection duty is generating a benefit out of thin air. Moving CONCORD is just...moving CONCORD.
The typical way to shift CONCORD is to undock your GCCed self in a ship. You go to belt, attempt gank. Fly back to station, dock up. Undock in a ship. CONCORD comes and gets you. Fly to different station, wait out timer.
I mean, if you're really going to advocate undocking with a timer to be an exploit..... This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12040
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:19:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Some were yes but many were caught before they got to the point of recycling the alt. In the second interdiction we kept track of the people we reported and a good number ended up getting a week long vacation before they got biomassed
Interesting! You wouldn't happen to have "official" word from CCP saying as much, would you? Not that I disagree with you, I'd just like a little ammo to toss at the kiddos who suggest this as a "tactic" every other day.
No quotes that I can recall. All we have are the actions of CCP when we ran the interdictions. Its much like boomerang, very very few knew it was a thing for 8 years untill someone went and filmed his abuse of it. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
612
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:34:00 -
[875] - Quote
Don't remember Concord Summoning being declared an exploit by CCP. Anyone have the link to it being announced?
Pics or it didn't happen seems to apply here. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:11:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:Todays meta in flying freighters in highsec
1. Even empty freighter must have maximum tank, tech 3 links and several logi alts 2. Webber alt and scout or you die, spares when they get trashe[re]d 3. ISBox fleet of catalysts on standby to counter gank the bumping machariel(s) 4. Another fleet of Falcons to break through odd 100 magnetometric strength of ECCM'd gallente face-huggers
Or have friends that are willing to break their ratting and come escort your boat during your market adventures. We can all see that one happening.
Besides, last expansion stated: "The empires are losing control"
The art involved in ganking has made concord largely irrelevant. Sooner you accept that, the sooner you realize the only accepted form of making isk is in FW. Oh, come now. You're being really dramatic. During the Aufay event - every single freighter in question could have been saved by simply not jumping into Aufay. One player scouting ahead. That's all it would take. Scout jumps in first, sees about 40 characters that are -5 to -10 security status in local, tells buddy "HEY. THIS IS NOT LOOKING GOOD. DOCK." Heck, even totally alone - a fast check of the in game map and viewing by ship kills would tell anyone with 1/10th of a brain that Aufay is not the place to be today. CCP gives the player all the tools they need to stay alive, but people still cry when they refuse to use them. Freighter players seem to want the same thing high-sec AFK miners want - to play eve while AFK in a valuable ship and still generate ISK. For that reason, the CODE is here to save them from themselves and make the galaxy a better place for everyone. Actually sarcastic.
You genuinely preach about hunting afk freighter pilots, when it really starts to seem that anyone who you can catch dies due to reasons, afk or atk.
Regarding to posts about spawning concord; as was stated before, spawning concord to prolong ganking timer was deemed "as potential exploit" by CCP (having trouble finding a citation) but the posters fail to take into account the interpretation of such. Let me give you an example courtesy of Black Legion:
Enter machariel, apply it to a freighter as usual. Freighter pilot foolishly logs off while still being bumped off e-warp. Enter wild rookieship and shoot the freighter to initiate logoff timer, while in the process it pre-spawns the concord. Freighter lands 1M km off grid, is scanned down, and catalyzed in relative peace. Concord 0 - Black Legion 1
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1875
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:47:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:Actually sarcastic.
You genuinely preach about hunting afk freighter pilots, when it really starts to seem that anyone who you can catch dies due to reasons, afk or atk.
Regarding to posts about spawning concord; as was stated before, spawning concord to prolong ganking timer was deemed "as potential exploit" by CCP (having trouble finding a citation) but the posters fail to take into account the interpretation of such. Let me give you an example courtesy of Black Legion:
Enter machariel, apply it to a freighter as usual. Freighter pilot foolishly logs off while still being bumped off e-warp. Enter wild rookieship and shoot the freighter to initiate logoff timer, while in the process it pre-spawns the concord. Freighter lands 1M km off grid, is scanned down, and catalyzed in relative peace. Concord 0 - Black Legion 1
Here, let me try, sometimes I'm nicer than DJ.
It boils down to this...if a gank team gets you, you were AFK. If you weren't, you were paying so little attention to your surrounding that you might as well have been AFK.
I used to freighter stuff around for ISK. I avoided getting ganked by adding common gank systems to my avoid list, planning a route by actually looking at the map and detouring around hotspots, and using a webbing alt through unavoidably dangerous areas. In 5 months, I lost exactly one freighter...the day I sold it off for ISK to try something new.
If freightering is just so boring that you can't take those steps, and pay attention while flying, then maybe freightering isn't for you.
As for CONCORD shenanigans, I've seen all sorts of answers, and honestly we need a devblog to lay down the exact rules. I've seen miners get in trouble for spawning a concord guard (they very loudly complained). I've been told by GMs that moving CONCORD is cool. I've also heard of other gankers getting warnings for it. It's one of those "GM discretion" areas that really shouldn't be. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:16:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Here, let me try, sometimes I'm nicer than DJ.
It boils down to this...if a gank team gets you, you were AFK. If you weren't, you were paying so little attention to your surrounding that you might as well have been AFK.
I used to freighter stuff around for ISK. I avoided getting ganked by adding common gank systems to my avoid list, planning a route by actually looking at the map and detouring around hotspots, and using a webbing alt through unavoidably dangerous areas. In 5 months, I lost exactly one freighter...the day I sold it off for ISK to try something new.
If freightering is just so boring that you can't take those steps, and pay attention while flying, then maybe freightering isn't for you.
*snip*
Correct me if I'm wrong now
The code dictates that flying afk is not permitted and any permits are invalidated if a pilot is caught afk. In such case when a freighter pilot with a permit jumps to, say, Aufay at it's prime is now considered afk and their permit be invalidated. This in conclusion makes any permits irrelevant, though this is hardly a newspiece.
It would be easier for everyone to update the code to reflect to this reality.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5489
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:22:00 -
[879] - Quote
Helia Tranquilis wrote: The code dictates that flying afk is not permitted and any permits are invalidated if a pilot is caught afk. In such case when a freighter pilot with a permit jumps to, say, Aufay at it's prime is now considered afk and their permit be invalidated.
Walk me through how jumping into a particular system = afk again? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1526
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:29:00 -
[880] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Sentamon wrote:Players reporting each other, paying GM to ban players for using a goofy game mechanic. Not exactly the best design there or even remotely fair justice. If I shoot someone near your intended target I get my punishment and lose the free Velator just like the guy moving the concord fleet. I do this enough I get shut out of highsec and can't continue just like the ganker .... no wait, the ganker can stay in highsec and keep doing his thing forever. Only difference is now you need a non criminal scout to supply bump and scout for you. Conveniently enough the scout stays protected even if in the pirate fleet and the only wayto deal with him is to get facerolled by concord. ;)
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty about it, summoning CONCORD for protection duty is generating a benefit out of thin air. Moving CONCORD is just...moving CONCORD. The typical way to shift CONCORD is to undock your GCCed self in a ship. You go to belt, attempt gank. Fly back to station, dock up. Undock in a ship. CONCORD comes and gets you. Fly to different station, wait out timer. I mean, if you're really going to advocate undocking with a timer to be an exploit..... for the start you have to prove bolden part. Because if you won't then some could say "i'm just moving CONCORD"... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote: The code dictates that flying afk is not permitted and any permits are invalidated if a pilot is caught afk. In such case when a freighter pilot with a permit jumps to, say, Aufay at it's prime is now considered afk and their permit be invalidated.
Walk me through how jumping into a particular system = afk again?
Referring to this part
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:*snip*
It boils down to this...if a gank team gets you, you were AFK. If you weren't, you were paying so little attention to your surrounding that you might as well have been AFK.
*snip* By my interpretation that means exposing yourself to the presence of gank team in said system makes them able to "get you" thus making the previous quotation mean you were afk by their interpretation. I hope that clarified my point of view.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12041
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:32:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Don't remember Concord Summoning being declared an exploit by CCP. Anyone have the link to it being announced?
Pics or it didn't happen seems to apply here.
The fact that a good many were banned for doing it tells us its true.
Anyone with half a brain can see how spawning an invincible npc fleet that will lock down and wipe out anything isn't an intended mechanic. Protection is provided by players, not npc fleets. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
420
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:34:00 -
[883] - Quote
Helia Tranquilis wrote:Actually sarcastic.
You genuinely preach about hunting afk freighter pilots, when it really starts to seem that anyone who you can catch dies due to reasons, afk or atk.
I think you ignored the bulk of my post in a very creative way.
Not being AFK is a huge help, but it's not the end all be all of keeping your freighter alive.
Notice the part where I mentioned that perhaps checking the maps to make sure you are not jumping into a crazy war zone, having a friend scout ahead for you, having some web/bump escort might also be a good idea? I notice how you simply ignored that and focused on the AFK part, which is only a small piece of the puzzle.
I see no reason for high-sec to get a special pass from the same basic common sense that applies everywhere in Eve - make some friends, pay attention, scout ahead, know what is going on around you in the universe.
Or like many, continue to play this MMO in single player mode without paying any attention to what's going down, and explode a lot. Fine with me, more food for my killboard! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5489
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:40:00 -
[884] - Quote
Helia Tranquilis wrote:By my interpretation that means exposing yourself to the presence of gank team in said system makes them able to "get you" thus making the previous quotation mean you were afk by their interpretation. I hope that clarified my point of view.
Ok I get you
I interpret it differently;
"Being ganked is a violation of The Code. If you put yourself in the position of being a target, you have violated the Code, your permit is revoked and sanctions (including summary Ganking) will be taken against you"
A permit isnt a get out of ganking free card, and its not a hire-NO-to-protect-you card.
Its a certificate proving you know what to do to avoid being ganked
BTW I seem to have lost my posting permit, the amount of self-ganking ive done to this reply since I started typing it >.< "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1876
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:54:00 -
[885] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote: Ok I get you
I interpret it differently;
"Being ganked is a violation of The Code. If you put yourself in the position of being a target, you have violated the Code, your permit is revoked and sanctions (including summary Ganking) will be taken against you"
A permit isnt a get out of ganking free card, and its not a hire-NO-to-protect-you card.
Its a certificate proving you know what to do to avoid being ganked
BTW I seem to have lost my posting permit, the amount of self-ganking ive done to this replay since I started typing it >.<
As always, you are entirely correct, Ramona. To break it down, if you do something as silly as jump into Aufay in a freighter during "ganking season", with no scouts/webbers/what have you, and autopilot your way through, you may as well be classed as AFK. The term we use is "bot-aspirancy".
So yes, you're right. If you get ganked, you were violating The Code. Violating The Code revokes your permit, the instant you commit the violation. People who do not violate The Code don't get ganked.
It's an amazingly elegant way of handling "I got ganked but I gots a permit!"
Also, if you read The Code and get the meaning behind it, you'll agree, you really can't be ganked if you follow it. Being aware and ATK, paying attention to local, tanking up, taking steps to avoid gank areas.....do that stuff, and I don't care what your chosen profession, you won't get hit by a suicide team. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:02:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:Actually sarcastic.
You genuinely preach about hunting afk freighter pilots, when it really starts to seem that anyone who you can catch dies due to reasons, afk or atk.
I think you ignored the bulk of my post in a very creative way. Not being AFK is a huge help, but it's not the end all be all of keeping your freighter alive. Notice the part where I mentioned that perhaps checking the maps to make sure you are not jumping into a crazy war zone, having a friend scout ahead for you, having some web/bump escort might also be a good idea? I notice how you simply ignored that and focused on the AFK part, which is only a small piece of the puzzle. I see no reason for high-sec to get a special pass from the same basic common sense that applies everywhere in Eve - make some friends, pay attention, scout ahead, know what is going on around you in the universe. Or like many, continue to play this MMO in single player mode without paying any attention to what's going down, and explode a lot. Fine with me, more food for my killboard! Not at all. I had nothing to add to the rest of the post, as most of the obvious points I did mention in my sarcastic post, which actually seems to reflect the required reality more and more.
As a courtesy, I state that I have no wish to expand upon the last parts of your post, to avoid any misunderstandings.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
845
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:35:00 -
[887] - Quote
The one question that really comes to mind is this:
The arguments for code permits for mining barges and freighters apply to virtually any ship in hisec, indies, mission ships the lot.
Soooooooooooo .... why restrict permits to barges and freighters ... why doesn't New Order just put a permit requirement on everything ?
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Spectral Tiger
8
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:14:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:The one question that really comes to mind is this:
The arguments for code permits for mining barges and freighters apply to virtually any ship in hisec, indies, mission ships the lot.
Soooooooooooo .... why restrict permits to barges and freighters ... why doesn't New Order just put a permit requirement on everything ?
If they did I expect the subscription numbers would drop even further, people don't tend to like extortionist. Plus of course they don't have to put up with such behaviour when they pay to play.
People keep on about people leaving this game, I don't find that too surprising myself with the increase in ganking anything that moves and the increase in corps resorting to extortion. I mean it shows it's getting bad then an alliance forms just to do those activities.
I've played since 2005 although I have had some breaks and I've noticed the difference over that time. |
Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources
42
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:21:00 -
[889] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:Don't remember Concord Summoning being declared an exploit by CCP. Anyone have the link to it being announced?
Pics or it didn't happen seems to apply here. The fact that a good many were banned for doing it tells us its true. If they didn't biomass the char which was used to summon CONCORD, they should have petitioned the ban because it was unjustified. Summoning CONCORD in itself is perfectly legal, no matter if the ganker does it or the miner. The only thing that is not allowed is biomassing the char with a negative security status to avoid the consequences.
Here is the official position of CCP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4572979#post4572979
I'd welcome if CCP would put this in a more visible place, as gankers love to spread the misinformation that it isn't allowed. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
421
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:22:00 -
[890] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote:
If they did I expect the subscription numbers would drop even further, people don't tend to like extortionist. Plus of course they don't have to put up with such behaviour when they pay to play.
People keep on about people leaving this game, I don't find that too surprising myself with the increase in ganking anything that moves and the increase in corps resorting to extortion. I mean it shows it's getting bad then an alliance forms just to do those activities.
I've played since 2005 although I have had some breaks and I've noticed the difference over that time.
Have we been playing the same game?
Yeah, people do "have to put up with such behavior" when they play EVE. Ganking, piracy, all of this is nothing new, and has been around since launch. Corporations and alliances that center around these activities are also nothing new, and have been with us for many, many years.
The "difference" you are probably noticing is that we at the New Order have a great PR department, a lot of fun, and have frankly taken the art of the high-sec suicide gank and totally perfected it.
As for "subscription numbers" = that's CCP's business, not ours. By every metric I can find, subscriptions are up, doing fine, and everything is working as intended. If people want to quit playing EVE online due to not being able to handle getting shot at sometimes, then good riddance. We don't need em.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5491
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:25:00 -
[891] - Quote
Spectral Tiger wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:The one question that really comes to mind is this:
The arguments for code permits for mining barges and freighters apply to virtually any ship in hisec, indies, mission ships the lot.
Soooooooooooo .... why restrict permits to barges and freighters ... why doesn't New Order just put a permit requirement on everything ?
If they did I expect the subscription numbers would drop even further, people don't tend to like extortionist. Plus of course they don't have to put up with such behaviour when they pay to play. People keep on about people leaving this game, I don't find that too surprising myself with the increase in ganking anything that moves and the increase in corps resorting to extortion. I mean it shows it's getting bad then an alliance forms just to do those activities. I've played since 2005 although I have had some breaks and I've noticed the difference over that time.
1) They do apply to everything
2) Please provide figures to support subs dropping, as these are not normally made available.
3) Please also supply figures to support that there has actually been an increase in ganking. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12041
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:31:00 -
[892] - Quote
Sarah Flynt wrote:baltec1 wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:Don't remember Concord Summoning being declared an exploit by CCP. Anyone have the link to it being announced?
Pics or it didn't happen seems to apply here. The fact that a good many were banned for doing it tells us its true. If they didn't biomass the char which was used to summon CONCORD, they should have petitioned the ban because it was unjustified. Summoning CONCORD in itself is perfectly legal, no matter if the ganker does it or the miner. The only thing that is not allowed is biomassing the char with a negative security status to avoid the consequences. Here is the official position of CCP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4572979#post4572979I'd welcome if CCP would put this in a more visible place, as gankers love to spread the misinformation that it isn't allowed.
At no point do either CCP or GMs say that summoning concord for protection is legal. Bot are simply stating that recycling alts to avoid sec loss is bannable.
summoning concord to protect you is abusing the game mechanics, if you want a fleet to protect you then you must get the players to do it, not an invincible npc fleet. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
61
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:36:00 -
[893] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: summoning concord to protect you is abusing the game mechanics, if you want a fleet to protect you then you must get the players to do it, not an invincible npc fleet.
This makes no sense to me. The cost of summoning Concord is the same as the cost of ganking the freighter to begin with: a ship and some security status. How is the one an exploit and the other not? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12041
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:42:00 -
[894] - Quote
Morihei Akachi wrote:baltec1 wrote: summoning concord to protect you is abusing the game mechanics, if you want a fleet to protect you then you must get the players to do it, not an invincible npc fleet.
This makes no sense to me. The cost of summoning Concord is the same as the cost of ganking the freighter to begin with: a ship and some security status. How is the one an exploit and the other not?
You can summon concord with an ibis, the ship is free so no, it is not the same cost.
The reason why it is an exploit is because concord make it impossible to kill the target when they are on grid and there is no way of getting rid of them. Concord is there to punish, not protect. Protection is the job of players, not god mode NPCs. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1877
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:47:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote: This makes no sense to me. The cost of summoning Concord is the same as the cost of ganking the freighter to begin with: a ship and some security status. How is the one an exploit and the other not?
I'd say, because it's not Concord's job to protect your mining operation, it's their job to punish criminal activities.
CCP has come down pretty hard on the whole "Nudge and a wink just doing what the game lets me guv'nah" routine, in the past.
Distinct case comes to mind, back when you could use rsebos to get a negative scanres, and blap things from across the system. Sure, the code let you do it, but CCP turned around and said "Really guys, you should know better, enjoy your vacation".
Quote:The reason why it is an exploit is because concord make it impossible to kill the target when they are on grid and there is no way of getting rid of them.
Well, you can move them, but yea, you can't gun them down. I do remember faintly back in the day, a ganker using f12 to ask about it, and a GM came in and despawned the concord.
I've used my ultimate CODE Dev Access (F12) to ask very specifically about it though, so hopefully we can get a straight answer. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:49:00 -
[896] - Quote
I have a hard time reconciling that delaying response is ok, yet accelerating response is not ok.
I agree that accelerating is not right - but I also feel the delay is off base too. It really ought to be all or nothing. Since intention is impossible to accurately divine, it should simply be impossible to delay it and accelerating remains the bannable number it is now.
As to the topic - my personal view of suicide ganking is that they're a bit like sharks - you hear a lot about them, they have an awful reputation in many areas...but the reality is more people are dying in more interesting/stupid ways than they can ever get close to competing with. But still to many, somehow, they are still the boogyman. |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
182
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:53:00 -
[897] - Quote
buy a permit, get ganked anyways, get told you violated your permit by what amounts to undocking.
hahaha
what an elegant sham. bravo!
meanwhile actual bots and bot aspirant ice/mining fleets stay unmolested. do you guys gank frog freighters? its just like the real world. eve is real :D
like I said, new order is the joke of HS. they always will be to the greater majority of eve because they hide behind pseudo rp instead of manning up like real gankers. them I can at least respect for their honesty. |
Spectral Tiger
8
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:58:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Yeah, people do "have to put up with such behavior" when they play EVE. Ganking, piracy, all of this is nothing new, and has been around since launch. Corporations and alliances that center around these activities are also nothing new, and have been with us for many, many years.
The "difference" you are probably noticing is that we at the New Order have a great PR department, a lot of fun, and have frankly taken the art of the high-sec suicide gank and totally perfected it.
What I've noticed is an increase in those activities although extortion I've only noticed in the last few years. There was piracy extortion before in low sec, but not for high sec activities that I was ever aware of except in the last few years (what you call permits).
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loyalanon
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:58:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:buy a permit, get ganked anyways, get told you violated your permit by what amounts to undocking.
hahaha
what an elegant sham. bravo!
meanwhile actual bots and bot aspirant ice/mining fleets stay unmolested. do you guys gank frog freighters? its just like the real world. eve is real :D
like I said, new order is the joke of HS. they always will be to the greater majority of eve because they hide behind pseudo rp instead of manning up like real gankers. them I can at least respect for their honesty.
Yawn. More tears. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:01:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:buy a permit, get ganked anyways, get told you violated your permit by what amounts to undocking..
Your inability to understand does little to diminish its purpose "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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