It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.

Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.

Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.

Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.

if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?

really?

actions have consequences.

How would you know where it happened?

How would you know where it happened?

Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station
until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.

When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.

Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.

if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?

really?

actions have consequences.

EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit.

like the carebears who refuse to protect themselves continually demanding that other players' playstyles are nerfed?


what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'.

that's due to -10 sec and the 15-minute criminal timer. duh.

The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.

Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.

I wonder how many cancel their subscription.

EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit.

I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net

I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

A game within a game. Worship me. I am the Freighter Goddess. Anyone claiming sovereignty over the souls of astro-truckers is a charlatan and a knave. (Some commoner called James seems to have grown too big for his broom closet.)

Send me everything all at once TWICE and I'll ensure you're never again bothered as you keep it between the ditches, slammin' those gears down the highway of life.

Just to show yah how much I love yah:

Girl On The Billboard

Six Days On The Road

Drivin' My Life Away

Lookin' At The World Through A Windshield

Flying along a trade route without backup is always a risk. Had my heart pumping when I flew my alt through Aufay with 750mil in the hold. Good thing the tank of the new DSTs isn't easily estimated, makes a gank attempt riskier, thus less likely.

They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

Cold blooded murder is what we have here.... Gutless punks. No ransom, no war dec, just a bunch of cowardly highsec pvp wannabes.... CCP needs to rectify this crap by reworking the lame criminal system.... Core. can go take a flying -------- off the nearest bridge, biggest carebear alliance in EVE. Man up and try to do actual pvp in this fine game instead of acting like a bunch of useless fooks..... Grow a pair and start taking some null space u dam highsec carebears, or atleast start ganking ships that really matter , war decs etc etc.......


If u need me, feel free to run a locator and I'll educate u on real pvp,..... YA, I'M TALKING TO U CORE.

Should this expansion be renamed Cry-us?

Notification 16.6.2014 16:37: Carmen Electra deployed Large Tear Collection Array II

If u need me, feel free to run a locator and I'll educate u on real pvp,..... YA, I'M TALKING TO U CORE.

If you say things like this,be prepared to have people look up your killboard, which appears to be completely empty.

oops

if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?

really?

actions have consequences.

I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net

I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

...a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

Of course, an empty freighter attacked is done for one reason only, to cause tears.

Nope.

The problem is that these people hide in station so much that people rightfully have the feeling
that they can't do anything about it ... because they can't.
These cowards hide, have neutral alts finding targets,
undock, strike, dock up again.
The whole ganking process doesn't take even a minute.
The issue is NOT that they can do what they do,
the issue is that they do it in the poorest possible way,
negatively affecting the whole profession.
What CCP needs to remove is that people can play this way,
because they shouldn't. Being outlaw in highsec should be dangerous.
Well ... it is ... but not for the easy-mode carebear gankers.

The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.

due to previous nerfs to the ganking playstyle, gankers are forced to wait in stations for long periods of time. that is, they're forced not to play the game. there's no reason to undock at -10 until a target is found. gankers use alts like everyone else in space. gankers adapt to the game and find the most efficient way to conduct their business. if certain anti-tanked freighter pilots would do the same there'd be a lot less whining in gd


why is that a problem?

Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.

I wonder how many cancel their subscription.

The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.

When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.

Ganking will still be possible, but it won't be so ridiculously easy as it is now.

Negging your security for ganking was supposed to be a deterrant but for most gankers it makes no difference at all. They continue to operate in high security space with -10 security status. It's not a detterant.

Quit whining for CCP to hold your hand, and either fix the "problem" yourself, or go back to WoW.

Quit whining and do something about it. Those players are already -10, as you said, but they hadn't done anything up to that point that hasn't already been punished (either be sec status loss or by CONCORD taking out their ship). They did the crime, and got punished for it. Finite crime does not beget infinite punishment.

If they're such a problem, get a Tornado, set it up for insta-locking, and camp them into their station. Catalysts (especially gank-fit Catalysts) aren't that difficult to kill.

Quit whining for CCP to hold your hand, and either fix the "problem" yourself, or go back to WoW.

The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.

When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.

Ganking will still be possible, but it won't be so ridiculously easy as it is now.

So basically what your saying is for the freighter pilot who just got gutted, to reship into an insta lock tornado with 1400mm artties that he may or may not be able to fly and station camp someones throw away alt?


mmmkay

I'll add my voice to this as well.

In fact, OP, just quit. You keep chestbeating about how you think the game will die if bad players are allowed to be blown up, so why not be a man, show some conviction, and vote with your wallet?

Let's get some guns on our freighters, maybe some drones, ability to use ecm bursts and that spectrum analyzer thingamajingi and an mjd.... Armed merchants crossing the atlantic while U-boats hunted them in packs....


wow man, this is good stuff

So a defensless freighter pilot hauling rubber dog poop to jita who gets ganked by 20 throw away suicide alts is a bad player?

mmkay

So a defensless freighter pilot hauling rubber dog poop to jita who gets ganked by 20 throw away suicide alts is a bad player?

mmkay

No. He's suggesting that if you don't like ganking, that instead of crying on the forums, you grow a spine and do something about it.

He's suggesting that if you don't want to get shot at, you need to stop flying a ship with no guns.

He's suggesting that if you're tired of being chased by the lions, that you stop deliberately being a prey animal.

So basically what your saying is for the freighter pilot who just got gutted, to reship into an insta lock tornado with 1400mm artties that he may or may not be able to fly and station camp someones throw away alt?


mmmkay

Ok, I hear ya, fly only what your willing to lose....Now after hearing that they are blindly killing everything in sight, empty cargo or not... What ship do you recomend? Keep in mind, they kill everything that moves. Let's all just fly stabbed, cloaked ships why dont we.... Better yet, all freighter pilots unite and stop hauling altogether. Highsec is going to the dogs, null is safer as always.

I've done a lot of ganking along the Jita pipe with a nado and recently moved to ganking mission runners with a fleet of thrashers. Ganking is difficult, and requires a lot of patience and practice. Of everything I've done in EVE, it's probably the thing that gets my heart racing the most. If you think ganking is some sort of WIN button, you might want to try it yourself. It's a huge challenge to not operate at a loss. There are a lot of factors that come into play that you won't know about until you try it yourself.

Also, operating in high sec with -10.0 sec status is extremely difficult. You basically have to sit outside of your gank ship in a pod, hop in it when you acquire a target, and then perfectly time your landing. (Which can EASILY be screwed up by a target holding cloak when they see a flashing red person waiting on the gate).

I have gained a ton of respect for gankers by doing it myself. You should try it.

Best way to get -10 Pirates out in space where people can kill them?

Remove the ******** half-brother of Concord - the Faction Police. (Long overdue since Crimewatch release anyway)

Pirates would no longer be required to stay in station, and so-called 'highsec badasses' that want to 'get them' might have a shot at it.

But removing faction police would just make carebears cry even harder. I can hear it now - "Oh, Oh - that makes the game 'too easy' for criminals!"

You can't have it both ways.

If you want stupid NPC police to protect you by forcing pirates into hiding when idle, you DON'T get to whine when they act in a (rational) way that won't let you 'get at them'.

I have no clue how you got that out of what I said. You can create dedicated alts, you can hire mercs, you can fight back in a T1 cruiser with meta-level mods by camping the gate they're camping and starting to shoot them as soon as they come on grid (remember, they're -10, so they're free-for-all and you won't get CONCORDOKENED). But you know what the single, most powerful weapon against a suicide ganker is?

A Griffin.

Stop autopiloting through Aufay without a webber. I've flown through there in a faction battleship and haven't been ganked. Because I'm not flying like a complacent idiot.

I also recommend, and I know this is counter intuitive to people like you, actually fitting a tank. You can totally do that now by the way, so there's really no excuse.

I have yet to be ganked and having been playing since 2003. Been raped in nullsec but never in highsec.... a game of alts man...

When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit.

You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just suicide ganking other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more.

Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen, then suddenly their ship is dead and pod is killed by a group of up to 25 players in cheap destroyers. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions.

It shouldn't be possible to board a ship in a system where your security status is below the acceptable limit for that system. -10? You can't board a ship in high security space, or you can but concord will be on you instantly, same as when you enter space in a ship after committing a concord sanctionable offense. Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.

Then just keep an eye on the price of the security status repair npc drops, if it's still too cheap to get back to 0.0 security status then reduce drop rate.

Yeah, I don't believe you.

This much butthurt only has one source.

I have to agree negative sec status isn't really a punishment. The punishment would be grinding it back up.... either way it is really hard now to get to -10.... used to be in low sec you blow a ship your a criminal.. Now your just suspect so you have to go for the pod...

The easier way is to gank in high sec where you actually get a real sec status hit.

Ganking mission runners required no skill right after the MTU was added to the game.... All you had to do was aggro the MTU while the mission runner had his drone out....

Takes more skill than not setting your drones on aggressive, especially when someone that's not you is clearly inside your mission.

Ok, I hear ya, fly only what your willing to lose....Now after hearing that they are blindly killing everything in sight, empty cargo or not... What ship do you recomend? Keep in mind, they kill everything that moves. Let's all just fly stabbed, cloaked ships why dont we.... Better yet, all freighter pilots unite and stop hauling altogether. Highsec is going to the dogs, null is safer as always.

Gankers get kinda wordy when you mention taking in some slack on 'em, don't they?

*tosses out the hush puppies*

Psh. There has been suicide ganking in Aufay long before CODE was around. Trade route to Jita and Amarr, 0.5 security.

Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?

But despite this already having been done thousands of times over ten years, it's 'emergent gameplay' when CODE do it, don't ya know?

Ganking freighters doesn't actually provide any emergent gameplay for anybody.
Not even themselves, because sitting in station doesn't equal to playing a game at all.

Oh yes, sure, 30 sec to undock, strike, dock up again.

Wow, so much gameplay provided for everybody!


Anybody who believes they provide any meaningfull content to anybody
is just too dumb to realize the propaganda and too blind to simply
look at what reality shows him.


That being sad ... this is completely useless to even talk about.

The facts are laid out for everybody to see, but the propaganda machine easily
deals with the stupid masses successfully.


The game is too easy, especially for these wannabe bad guys in highsec.

You don't know much about fleet warfare, do you?

Gankers get kinda wordy when you mention taking in some slack on 'em, don't they?

*tosses out the hush puppies*

A game within a game. Worship me. I am the Freighter Goddess. Anyone claiming sovereignty over the souls of astro-truckers is a charlatan and a knave. (Some commoner called James seems to have grown too big for his broom closet.)

Send me everything all at once TWICE and I'll ensure you're never again bothered as you keep it between the ditches, slammin' those gears down the highway of life.

Just to show yah how much I love yah:

Girl On The Billboard

Six Days On The Road

Drivin' My Life Away

Lookin' At The World Through A Windshield

What's the big surprise? Oh...right. Catch you on the flip flop.

It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.

'emergent' gameplay is why CCP has lost subs over the last year.

You are right. Actions do have consequences.

Implying ganking unarmed ships with impunity in highsec is 'fleet warfare'. Aye, truly on par with low and null slugfests - CODE is the new Rooks and Kings.

Thanks for making me chuckle.

Ganking freighters doesn't actually provide any emergent gameplay for anybody.

Anybody who believes they provide any meaningfull content to anybody
is just too dumb to realize the propaganda and too blind to simply
look at what reality shows him.

There are no hisec mechanics that can be tweaked to change this without destroying the game.

Implying ganking unarmed ships with impunity in highsec is 'fleet warfare'. Aye, truly on par with low and null slugfests - CODE is the new Rooks and Kings.

Thanks for making me chuckle.

Give them logi escort. Two to three guardians and you're solid.

stop -10s been able to dock, maybe even down to -5s.....doesnt stop ganking, just makes them think a bit more and certainly wouldnt destroy the game.

You should regularly read blogs such as The Mittani and the minerbumping site to know when events are happening. Otherwise you will get burnt.

Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station
until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.

Make CCP nerf the cowards and the game will change.

Until then you have to live with these cowards.

Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen

stop -10s been able to dock, maybe even down to -5s.....doesnt stop ganking, just makes them think a bit more and certainly wouldnt destroy the game.

not really, just means they have to buy tags more often.

Also lol ganking being education

most -10s i know dont buy tags because they dont need to as its too easy to exist in highsec and gank as a -10.

You don't know much about fleet warfare, do you?

Interesting how surviving in game requires not only involvement with the forum run by the game company, but now apparently also requires people to visit non-CCP websites, creating advertising revenue for the owners, in order to obtain intel.

How long before people are required to attend real life meetings? Fanfest? Pay $100/month?

The meta is out of control.

Best way to get -10 Pirates out in space where people can kill them?

Remove the ******** half-brother of Concord - the Faction Police. (Long overdue since Crimewatch release anyway)

Pirates would no longer be required to stay in station, and so-called 'highsec badasses' that want to 'get them' might have a shot at it.

But removing faction police would just make carebears cry even harder. I can hear it now - "Oh, Oh - that makes the game 'too easy' for criminals!"

You can't have it both ways.

If you want stupid NPC police to protect you by forcing pirates into hiding when idle, you DON'T get to whine when they act in a (rational) way that won't let you 'get at them'.

Even an empty freighter or especially jump freighter is going to be a big plus on killboards. Stop autopiloting juicy killmails in 0.5 systems.



*cough* Faction Police *cough* Perhaps you've heard of them? Remove faction police, and we'll spend more time in space...deal?



They know better now, don't they?

Interesting how surviving in game requires not only involvement with the forum run by the game company, but now apparently also requires people to visit non-CCP websites, creating advertising revenue for the owners, in order to obtain intel.

How long before people are required to attend real life meetings? Fanfest? Pay $100/month?

The meta is out of control.

Removal of concord is obviously not an option.... Could you imagine what kind of game that would create Lol.

Rational would dictate a criminal be denied docking rights in high sec stations. Maybe create forged or stole docking passes like from star wars? Could be a pretty cool new profession. Now pirates can pay to dock up safely or actively bounce around a system avoiding the popo.

i think he was talking about faction police, not CONCORD

to be honest the docking pass thing sounds cool if it'd let you avoid faction police etc as an upside. but we had the chance-based smuggling ingame for a while and that was mostly got rid of for being annoying

Or come to lowsec and take part in actual fights. Not turkey shoots.

Just sayin'.

A game within a game. Worship me. I am the Freighter Goddess. Anyone claiming sovereignty over the souls of astro-truckers is a charlatan and a knave. (Some commoner called James seems to have grown too big for his broom closet.)

Send me everything all at once TWICE and I'll ensure you're never again bothered as you keep it between the ditches, slammin' those gears down the highway of life.

Just to show yah how much I love yah:

Girl On The Billboard

Six Days On The Road

Drivin' My Life Away

Lookin' At The World Through A Windshield

What's the big surprise? Oh...right. Catch you on the flip flop.

as a lowsec turkey i am offended by your disregard for my heritage anslo

How's that gatecamp in Huola going for you?

Oh god dude I'm sorry. I didn't know. My apologies :(



The Russians decided to camp it again. We've been busy clearing it in the name of AMERICA!

U
S
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U
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(i.e. you STILL know nothing about me and my guys lol)

Didn't you write your own forum sig yourself?

Also lol ganking being education

(i.e. you STILL know nothing about me and my guys lol)

When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit.

You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just suicide ganking other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more. Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen, then suddenly their ship is dead and pod is killed by a group of up to 25 players in cheap destroyers. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions.

I still have to fly around with you people, as I said.

Wow. Of course getting ganked is an education. Happened to me. Russians. Bad, bad. Didn't cry about it though.
I learned how to protect my cargo. Also learned how to gank other cargo ships and supplement my income.

You may, of course, choose not to learn from it - and just cry about it instead.....

your prerogative. You seem like a crier.

You seem like a crier.

That whooshing sound was the point going over your head.

Complaining about turkey shoots while being one of the biggest gatecampers of a faction warfare entry system who never flies without a fleet is so ironic, Alanis Morrisette probably owes you royalties.

You can spin us gate camping all you want, but our actions and reputation will always speak louder than your **** talk.

You don't like it? Come at us brah.

Oh, so the game and real life *aren't* separate. Much clearer now.

So what we've learned here is that some people have fundamentally misunderstood what the words GÇ£griefingGÇ¥ and GÇ£problemGÇ¥ mean since they keep applying them to stuff that very obviously does not qualify as either.

You already made that offer a while back.

When I asked if you had the spine to fight me without a fleet backing you up, the answer was a resounding "no".

So I shan't take you up on your facile chestbeating this time, either.

HTFU.

Are you mad? You seem mad.

And I said bring friends.

But you seem to talk so much trash yet you whine about me not soloing against you when you too could get a fleet together?

What's that phrase you nerds like to use in this situation?....Oh yeah!

HTFU.

Are you mad? You seem mad.

No, you refused to fight without a fleet. There is a difference.

Unless I'm gravely mistaken, I am not whining about anything.

I'm merely calling you a puffed up blowhard who hides behind a fleet and talks crap he can't back up.

Now, if you want to see some serious whining, I suggest you look up these guys from a while back. What was their name? Proveld something or other.

Only 18 of those Freighters were a part of this change.

7 Charons
5 Obelisks
5 Fenrir
1 Providence

1 chose not to fit anything.
5 decided to fit for full cargo.
3 chose 2 cargo expanders and either an Inertia stab, or nanofiber.
1 chose 1 cargo and 2 local stabs.
1 chose all stabs.
2 chose all nanofibers.
1 chose 2 local stabs and a nanofiber.
2 chose 2 stabs II and 1 bulk II.
1 fitted all Bulkhead II
1 chose 3 armour tank mods. Experimental Explosive plating I, Refuge Adaptive nano plating I and an Elemental Kinetic Plating I

So out of those 18, only 4 chose some tank and out of those only 2 chose all tank. But then only one went with all bulkheads.
The one with all bulkheads was moving 3.6 billion in cargo and the armour pilot 5.9.

Out of the 3 jump freighters, only 1 was in the change period and he didn't fit a thing.

So yes, I would say all is well. Most haulers are not thinking straight and many of then are fitting for full cargo. Isn't that a surprise.

If there is an increase after this change, in what is now considered a rather rare act, then the blame can only point one way. (Hint, it's not the gankers fault.)

Implying ganking unarmed ships with impunity in highsec is 'fleet warfare'. Aye, truly on par with low and null slugfests - CODE is the new Rooks and Kings.

Thanks for making me chuckle.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

If you think that's good, read his blog. Hopefully they haven't edited out the part where they admitted they were going to try and abuse the petition system to get people banned, because that part is pure gold.

Actually I think that is a fair comparison. A freighter AP'ing through Aufay is about as stupid as an FC that warps his fleet into a pipe bomb. Neither bothered to do the least bit of work to protect their assets and someone else was there to capitalize on it for kills. Hybrid guns are just more appropriate for the kill than smartbombs.

The game and the metagame aren't separate.

Interesting how surviving in game requires not only involvement with the forum run by the game company, but now apparently also requires people to visit non-CCP websites, creating advertising revenue for the owners, in order to obtain intel.

How long before people are required to attend real life meetings? Fanfest? Pay $100/month?

The meta is out of control.

We're talking about ganking freighters, not fleet warfare.
The same applies to ganking miners too.

No idea why you're bringing this up. Suicide ganking in masses isn't "warfare" at all.


In case of the freighters, there's one guy making sure that the station has enough ships.
That's not even much effort, because one can find people who produce all this stuff
and even deliver it to the station easily. I tried that, leading to me having hundreds
of thrashers + fitting spread across minmatar, gallente and caldari space.

Then all you need is a neutral alt seeking out targets, while the fleet sits docked in station.

Short:

Target is found.
Fleet instaundocks to safespot.
Fleet warps to target.
Fleet ganks.
Fleet warps back to station, switched to noobships, undocks, pulls CONCORD.
Fleet docks up in base.

In all this time, the gankers were sitting in safety in station,
probably chestbeating themselves are talking down on others who actually play the game.

The longest waits are 15min GCC which don't matter and the alt finding a target.

The ganking as mentioned above, can be done in a single minute, except maybe pulling CONCORD
which adds session timer delays so maybe we push to a minute and thirty MAX.

The issue isn't that they are ganking freighters or anything,
the issue is how they do it, turning people into carebears without realizing it.

Chestbeating from the safety of the station.

Requiring people to do things external to the game in order to play the game goes beyond "meta",

especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.

What the hell are you talking about? Is this some Dinsdale RMT conspiracy?

How funny is it when someone hides behind an 3 month of npc corp alt just to pretend that don't actually support something that's the took the time to post about?

Funny as in sad and weak that is.

for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control

You must be new here. You missed the golden age of ganking by a couple of years.

You must be new here. You missed the golden age of ganking by a couple of years.

Except that it's not a fair comparison,
because it completely ignores the offensive side here.

If you want to compare yourselves to Rooks&Kings, I bet they'll thank you for the good laugh.


It makes sense that you say this, though, considering you're in no way or form impartial.

Hell ... how comparing a single AFK person to a whole fleet of people actually playing ...
... but ... well ... you're a CODE sheep, what's there to expect otherwise?

Rational would dictate a criminal be denied docking rights in high sec stations. Maybe create forged or stole docking passes like from star wars? Could be a pretty cool new profession. Now pirates can pay to dock up safely or actively bounce around a system avoiding the popo.

It's obvious to all but those in denial

They are playing the game the way they want to play it. I don't like or agree with them but saying they shouldn't be allowed to do that is stupid.

You don't like it? Stay away from them.

...there's no risk to you, the only risk is that you'll fail the gank.....

I didn't understand it either.

I didn't understand it either.

It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not.

It's obvious to all but those in denial that EVE online has lost a lot of players, it may well be losing players constantly.

It's also obvious that people don't stick around in games they have a bad time in. In EVE online, for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control, all in the guise of "pay us 10m and follow the code or we'll gank you" They couldn't care less about the 10m, it's just an excuse to gank people.

The behaviour of these players and the ease that they can gank people in high security space will certainly be having a negative affect on the experience of many EVE online players. Normal people won't hang around, they will simply quit. By normal people I mean people who play the game for fun in their spare time, not the rabid high sec ganker types, who play only for the "tears" of other players.

Now that these ganker types are banding together the problem has become great enough that I believe CCP should act less they want to bleed subscriptions due to this group of players.

I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character.

Sigh. Now I'm really confused

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly

Sigh. Now I'm really confused

This is a lie. Why? Read further.




So it's all just 'good advice' (that advice being 'think of the children, i mean casuals') for CCP so they don't lose subs.

This is also an example of "something I don't like is the root of all evil". You obviously don't like gankers, people who play for 'tears' and so forth. So obvioulsy gankers and ganking are the root causes of whatever problems you think the game has. Problem if you formed a dumb opinion without any proof (while ignoring the fact that ganking has existed for the entire duration of the game, proving that gaking is *at best* neutral when it comes to subscription numbers).

You really posted this mess you posted but still want us to beleive that you are in fact a 3 month old player who didn't get ganked lol? Anyone who beleive you must also believe in ocean front property in Montana and that a random stranger in EVE Online will double your isk out of kindness.

I have two main characters, both are -10 and have only ever ganked. I also have a 3rd ganker character who is trained but I've never needed to use him.

Guess you're wrong.

External sites such as theMittani gain advertising revenue for every person that visits. That is real life cash in the hands of Mittens for every freighter pilot you and your friends wish to force to his site just so they can *maybe* get a hint as to what might or might not be going on in game. Same applies to CODE, but, again, apparently everyone feels that the meta-game includes real life to any degree. No wonder they were so giddy over TheMittani's fanfest proclamations. It's just meta, after all.

So what we've learned here is that some people have fundamentally misunderstood what the words GÇ£griefingGÇ¥ and GÇ£problemGÇ¥ mean since they keep applying them to stuff that very obviously does not qualify as either.

I can entirely see how a gank could cause a player to leave

Sigh. Now I'm really confused

Ganking is still possible if they stop outlaws from using ships in hi-sec. It just won't be so rampant, as people will need to fix their sec status before they can gank again. Perhaps people will stop indiscriminate ganking and save their ganks for the ones that matter.

Wait, wait, I can fix this. Oh this is good. Install an ad-blocker in your web browser. Then read their sites, they don't get paid, and you get free intel! OMG this is genius. Or, just send a scout ahead of your loot pinata to see if the way is clear. You could do that. But like the web sites or the ad blocker, :effort:.

All I see is a bunch of ***** gankers who want it to stay as easymode as it is now.

Clearly faction popo is there to deter low standings player from enter high sec space by docking to avoid this seems unintended.

See below for the definition of griefing, i would consider docking in high sec to avoid the faction popo as using "the game in unintended ways". Clearly faction popo is there to deter low standings player from enter high sec space by docking to avoid this seems unintended.

Ganking used to be just mostly about ganking miners in the belts. Now they just target anyone and everyone for the killmails and for lols. In the last 1-2 years freighters became a hot ganker target, they target everyone now.

doesn't mean you don't have to provide a good reason to nerf ganking... again

You know what would be funny? If someone suicide ganked one of the transports they use to ship more ships into the ganking systems.

You know what would be funny? If someone suicide ganked one of the transports they use to ship more ships into the ganking systems.

See below for the definition of griefing

i would consider docking in high sec to avoid the faction popo as using "the game in unintended ways". Clearly faction popo is there to deter low standings player from enter high sec space by docking to avoid this seems unintended.

As from problem, I can entirely see how a gank could cause a player to leave, which is a problem.

If the wholesale ganking of freighters causes freighter pilots to remain at their keyboards, tank their freighters, fly with friends, scout the route, check killboards/maps to see activity on their route, watch size/value of cargo, use webbing alts to move faster/ more efficiently or simply wake up and pay attention, then it is worth it.

If all this happens and freighter pilots refuse to make changes to their gameplay, then who is ultimately to blame?

Clue: probably not the gankers.

All I see is a bunch of ***** gankers who want it to stay as easymode as it is now.