Prove that with math no "I believe" or "I think" .

12000 characters in 34 systems that would be 350 per system you realy want that?

Because, to reduce the need for an alliance to hold vast amounts of space to rat in. Thus freeing up large swaths of "useless" space for other entities to settle in who might not be to friendly to your alliance.

It took me like 3 seconds to think that one up, if I may paraphrase your useless non answer from earlier.

EDIT: dangit Baltec1

This would mean it would not be possible for the current powerblocks to hold onto the current vast empires so at least 80% of null sov would drop. The current powers would retract into much more dense empires.

So actually you say there is not enough ehp and timers because we are capable of taking 200systems in 2 days.
Btw at that rate it would take 15years to take 1mil systems which is more then EVE is alive.

Other issues? pls tell me which other issue is so important for stagnation in EVE.

Yeah, I think it might be better to make null systems be able to support more players, like high sec systems have missions which spawn infinitely, so replicating something similar for null would be the best way to do that. I'm not sure if missions can be botted? I don't think they can because each mission is different.

Then you have to consider the economy, is this going to be a massive ISK faucet? Because that could break the economy, I would say the best way to control that is to keep the liquid isk from missioning and bounties to a minimum and instead drop modules and items because the market will control the payouts from that. Maybe it's time to get rid of most liquid ISK payouts across the game. There are not as many ISK sinks as people might think... for example when players build ships and they get blown up some people think thats an isk sink but its not, that's just isk moving from one player to another but not actually leaving the economy. So all those massive T1 fleet battles in null and low are not actually removing all that much ISK from the game. Only faction ships/items purchased in lp stores, clones, trading fees, sov payments or basically any time you pay isk to npc entities is an isk sink, but there are not enough of them to counter the trillions of isk that would be made from unlimited ratting in null.

@Fourteen Maken
T1 battles actually add isk to the game as a result of the insurance payout.


How to you suppose to make it impossible to hold 1000 systems with a coalition?
Do not come up with some content lacking phrase like the last 15 post you did.

How to you suppose to make it impossible to hold 1000 systems with a coalition?
Do not come up with some content lacking phrase like the last 15 post you did.

Ok let us make your idea real.
We increase the maximum number of supported characters per system to about 500.(how does not matter we all know 50versions how todo that)
Funny thing would be that a roaming in this systems would be suicide and probably the gates would have so many bubbles that you would not even try.
Then we decrease jumpcabability and bridges by 75% so that large coalitions can not use wrecking ball and super tactics everywhere.
This will increase the time to move capitals significantly because they are not able to jump over empty space between some regions.This will end all jumpfreighter logistic and probaly most capital production. Flying freighters through stargates and making 200au freighter warps is so much fun, protecting them is even more fun.
Then we have to take care of the capability to move fleets through stargatesotherwise we would be able to kill the small groups with supcapitals.
Easyiest way would be to return to hardware 10 years ago, the lag would be so painfull nobody would want to move. Other option would be somekind of artifical number of how many players can use the gate per hour.


By that point you would have destroyed the game but at least the coalitions can live with 25000members in 50system and they are not capable to strike smaller groups with overwhelming force.

Go look at null and its activity levels.

All of those systems with a handfull of jumps and nobody active would drop sov. Those systems make up 80% of sov null.

Ok let us make your idea real.STUFF!

I'm still thinking there should be a huge spool up timer BEFORE any cap or supercap can jump anywhere (pilot can activate a module to begin spooling as soon as they undock/log on, so the first jump can be made any time after it has spooled), and that the spool-up time should increase accordingly depending on the amount of TIDI in jump range.

Because, to reduce the need for an alliance to hold vast amounts of space to rat in. Thus freeing up large swaths of "useless" space for other entities to settle in who might not be to friendly to your alliance.

It took me like 3 seconds to think that one up, if I may paraphrase your useless non answer from earlier.

EDIT: dangit Baltec1

wait a minute. Either the space is useless to you and you don't use it. Or you need all this space to support all your ratters. Which is it?

I'm leaning towards letting Caps move around as they do now because lets face it, we stare at our screens enough in EVE why make it so we are doing it for longer...

Instead of slowing down Cap movement, which seems to focus around the cap group being able to get across the map quickly, why not focus on their destination having a door that can be closed before they get there?

CCP can probably just make a portable cyno jammer that is system wide, takes 5 minutes to anchor (or whatever 10 min etc), burns out in 1 hour time or so, and has a crap load of HP so peeps are more apt to leave it alone to burn out rather than try and take it down so the SC fleet coming from 5 regions away can get in when they are 1 jump out.

EVE is boring enough, I'm not sure why people want to slow it down even more...
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To break up monolithic sov, like seems to be the general consensus on what the game needs, there must be limits on how large fleets can travel.

Any way to do this will have significant side effects. They can also be mitigated.

Before I make my suggestions my intent is to make large fleets travel separately, not to effect anything about the final destination. Moving a fleet will force them to consider how an enemy might disrupt their jumping as well as current considerations. Everything I say will have an appropriate number that is not decided by me. The numbers that are appropriate should be the subject of debate not the concept itself. My intent is for only the largest fleets to be effected at all though there will always be manipulation of mechanics that will spread the effects elsewhere.

Limited charge on gates/bridges:
Know that regular travel will be effected by the recharge time and large fleet travel will be effected by the capacity. These are entirely separate numbers and can be balanced accordingly.

Limited system jump drive stability:
Putting a solid cap on the number of jumps to a cyno just means more cynos are put in the same place. The effect needs to be system wide. That will then however make the fleet that jumps in first unassailable. I suggest putting the jump in and out limit on the same counter/recharge. This means that while the fleet might be unassailable it also can't move again until the system is fully stabilized. It also means the fleet can't come back to save the stragglers. An attacker can also force the otherwise unbeatable fleet to have stragglers. It can also be held there by single enemies jumping in and out.

A fleet in its final destination could use the same mechanics to keep someone from responding to them while they destroy sov structures. At the same time that fleet will be unable to respond to considerably smaller attackers hitting their own sov. Over all this should contribute to destruction of sov on significant scale.

The exact effects of this are not easily predictable but most of them allow a smaller well timed and placed fleet to do significant damage to a larger one. If they don't time it well the smaller fleet will simply be annihilated, like they would be anyway under current mechanics.

Nerfing jump range doesn't nerf boot fleet/wreckingball.

Just nerfing fleet mobility does not solve the problem if the EHP of the targets DEMAND a large capital fleet anyway. People will just hate more, but still move the said capital fleet.


The most effective way to make something not overused, is not to make harder to use it.... it is to make it not needed!

I'm leaning towards letting Caps move around as they do now because lets face it, we stare at our screens enough in EVE why make it so we are doing it for longer...

Instead of slowing down Cap movement, which seems to focus around the cap group being able to get across the map quickly, why not focus on their destination having a door that can be closed before they get there?

CCP can probably just make a portable cyno jammer that is system wide, takes 5 minutes to anchor (or whatever 10 min etc), burns out in 1 hour time or so, and has a crap load of HP so peeps are more apt to leave it alone to burn out rather than try and take it down so the SC fleet coming from 5 regions away can get in when they are 1 jump out.

EVE is boring enough, I'm not sure why people want to slow it down even more...
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It is not about slowing it down.
It is about making eve bigger enough.

Why someone should be able to move easily large amount of forces to another side of eve , or just 3 regions away fast?
Eve is for fun , and in order to generate fun there have to be a lot small scale conflicts.

This is not about what is good or what is bad.
This is how to make fun to the bigest amount of people, as this lead to bigger amount of players.
Some groups like to farm, they will have blue in 2 regions away.
Some people like to fight? They will have targets in next constelation.

The main difference is that there will be no more cyno for a boored third party that will drop 50 motherships to kill 2 capitals of smaller groups brawling in fun.

Nerfing jump range does nothing to stop the current ****** affairs of null and infact makes it even worse for the small players (good luck getting supplies to the far corners of EVE).

Nerfing jump range or jump range mechanic is ONE of MANY items that needs to be changed.