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Scragg	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:12:00 - [331] Quote: Only one thing I'd like to know, how the corps of the CC can join CA in the first place.. Reread the news release. It clearly states the CC joined the CA with the assumption they would cease their pirate activities. CA members did not cease their illegal activities so CC left the CA. One of the CC's core values is that of opening the door to anyone regardless of their past, even pirates, as long as they are willing to give up their evil ways. CA members not only continue to conduct pirate operations but they have stepped up such operations under the guise of a war with the Stain Alliance and is taking the opportunity to attack anyone and everyone anywhere near Curse outside Empire Space. They are also shifting people around and into front corporations to conduct piracy and covert operations in other regions. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Scragg Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:12:00 - [332] Quote: Only one thing I'd like to know, how the corps of the CC can join CA in the first place.. Reread the news release. It clearly states the CC joined the CA with the assumption they would cease their pirate activities. CA members did not cease their illegal activities so CC left the CA. One of the CC's core values is that of opening the door to anyone regardless of their past, even pirates, as long as they are willing to give up their evil ways. CA members not only continue to conduct pirate operations but they have stepped up such operations under the guise of a war with the Stain Alliance and is taking the opportunity to attack anyone and everyone anywhere near Curse outside Empire Space. They are also shifting people around and into front corporations to conduct piracy and covert operations in other regions.
Ramuis	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:30:00 - [333] Quote: CA members not only continue to conduct pirate operations but they have stepped up such operations under the guise of a war with the Stain Alliance and is taking the opportunity to attack anyone and everyone anywhere near Curse outside Empire Space. They are also shifting people around and into front corporations to conduct piracy and covert operations in other regions. The dev just gave me a jove BS and a miner II BP!!! I can say alot of things without anything to back it up. That doesn't mean it's true.
Ramuis Minmatar Software Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:30:00 - [334] Quote: CA members not only continue to conduct pirate operations but they have stepped up such operations under the guise of a war with the Stain Alliance and is taking the opportunity to attack anyone and everyone anywhere near Curse outside Empire Space. They are also shifting people around and into front corporations to conduct piracy and covert operations in other regions. The dev just gave me a jove BS and a miner II BP!!! I can say alot of things without anything to back it up. That doesn't mean it's true.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:59:00 - [335] Quote: Edited by: Joviah on 30/09/2003 15:34:51 Heh, Reclaimer, do you really want to bring back ancient wars in Empire territory? A war that my corp at that time won? Interesting you should mention that -- because we entered into that war to protect a fairly young corporation we had offered our protection to. A corporation by the name of... hmm what was it again? OH YEAH! FATAL SHADOWS! That's right, I died protecting you guys. As a matter of fact, Federation of Assassins would have torn you guys to shreds if it weren't for our assistance. Why did we assist you? Because pirates moved into our territory, just like they have done now. Had you been observant enough to recognize my name, as I recognized yours, you would have realized this outcome was inevitable from the start. I mean come on, let's be honest here. Sinister and m0o are 2 of the most notorious pirate gangs in the galaxy! Oh well, the tables have turned, we are now enemies. Your friend knew about my plans long before they occured, simply because I offered him the chance to come with us. I warned him that you guys would be in danger soon, and I warned him again last night as well. Even after being called a traitor, a coward, etc etc. Blah blah -- everyone else here is being called the same things. It really doesn't phase me, and personally I don't care. The only people I answer to are my corporate employees, like Roy Haggerty. I'm not one to get into a flame war, and I won't be posting again. HOWEVER, I'm glad you brought that up Reclaimer -- thanks for reminding me and allowing me the opportunity to clear that one up for ya. Actually we moved from Caldari space to save ourselves because you refused to come to our assistance. But, that is not the point now. The point is that you betrayed us all for selfish reasons. BTY, you werent invited to the meeting because Fubie didnt even tell them you were the CEO. Blame that on him. We asked at the outset of the meeting if everyone was represented. Fubie declared he could speak on the behalf of the corps he knew. I guess he was right. After all, this was planned way before the meeting.
The Reclaimer Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:59:00 - [336] Quote: Edited by: Joviah on 30/09/2003 15:34:51 Heh, Reclaimer, do you really want to bring back ancient wars in Empire territory? A war that my corp at that time won? Interesting you should mention that -- because we entered into that war to protect a fairly young corporation we had offered our protection to. A corporation by the name of... hmm what was it again? OH YEAH! FATAL SHADOWS! That's right, I died protecting you guys. As a matter of fact, Federation of Assassins would have torn you guys to shreds if it weren't for our assistance. Why did we assist you? Because pirates moved into our territory, just like they have done now. Had you been observant enough to recognize my name, as I recognized yours, you would have realized this outcome was inevitable from the start. I mean come on, let's be honest here. Sinister and m0o are 2 of the most notorious pirate gangs in the galaxy! Oh well, the tables have turned, we are now enemies. Your friend knew about my plans long before they occured, simply because I offered him the chance to come with us. I warned him that you guys would be in danger soon, and I warned him again last night as well. Even after being called a traitor, a coward, etc etc. Blah blah -- everyone else here is being called the same things. It really doesn't phase me, and personally I don't care. The only people I answer to are my corporate employees, like Roy Haggerty. I'm not one to get into a flame war, and I won't be posting again. HOWEVER, I'm glad you brought that up Reclaimer -- thanks for reminding me and allowing me the opportunity to clear that one up for ya. Actually we moved from Caldari space to save ourselves because you refused to come to our assistance. But, that is not the point now. The point is that you betrayed us all for selfish reasons. BTY, you werent invited to the meeting because Fubie didnt even tell them you were the CEO. Blame that on him. We asked at the outset of the meeting if everyone was represented. Fubie declared he could speak on the behalf of the corps he knew. I guess he was right. After all, this was planned way before the meeting.
Redan Chulipa	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:13:00 - [337] Still no listing of who Curse Alliance are and who constitutes the Curse Coalition. What doesn't make sense is if Sinister indeed withdrew from Syndicate space then why is the FA wasting resources attacking them when they and SA are doing a good job of keeping eachother down? Is the FAs war effort all over with up in Venal?
Redan Chulipa Doomheim	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:13:00 - [338] Still no listing of who Curse Alliance are and who constitutes the Curse Coalition. What doesn't make sense is if Sinister indeed withdrew from Syndicate space then why is the FA wasting resources attacking them when they and SA are doing a good job of keeping eachother down? Is the FAs war effort all over with up in Venal?
Silent Shadow	Posted - 2003.10.01 05:14:00 - [339] Quote: Quote: Only one thing I'd like to know, how the corps of the CC can join CA in the first place.. Reread the news release. It clearly states the CC joined the CA with the assumption they would cease their pirate activities. CA members did not cease their illegal activities so CC left the CA. One of the CC's core values is that of opening the door to anyone regardless of their past, even pirates, as long as they are willing to give up their evil ways. CA members not only continue to conduct pirate operations but they have stepped up such operations under the guise of a war with the Stain Alliance and is taking the opportunity to attack anyone and everyone anywhere near Curse outside Empire Space. They are also shifting people around and into front corporations to conduct piracy and covert operations in other regions. I really dont understand you. Please tell me who we are pirating. PLEASE!!!! Stain is camping HED-GP and killing all that enter (unless in SA) that is Pirating. But, yet we are slandered like this. It reminds me in a sick way of **** Germany. They made up lies about Jews and ran with them. Sir, we are not pirating, unless killing ppl that attack us is pirating. In taht case sir, you need to adjust your logic.
Silent Shadow	Posted - 2003.10.01 05:14:00 - [340] Quote: Quote: Only one thing I'd like to know, how the corps of the CC can join CA in the first place.. Reread the news release. It clearly states the CC joined the CA with the assumption they would cease their pirate activities. CA members did not cease their illegal activities so CC left the CA. One of the CC's core values is that of opening the door to anyone regardless of their past, even pirates, as long as they are willing to give up their evil ways. CA members not only continue to conduct pirate operations but they have stepped up such operations under the guise of a war with the Stain Alliance and is taking the opportunity to attack anyone and everyone anywhere near Curse outside Empire Space. They are also shifting people around and into front corporations to conduct piracy and covert operations in other regions. I really dont understand you. Please tell me who we are pirating. PLEASE!!!! Stain is camping HED-GP and killing all that enter (unless in SA) that is Pirating. But, yet we are slandered like this. It reminds me in a sick way of **** Germany. They made up lies about Jews and ran with them. Sir, we are not pirating, unless killing ppl that attack us is pirating. In taht case sir, you need to adjust your logic.
Yuen	Posted - 2003.10.01 11:49:00 - [341] Quote: sry Yuen, I later stated that some of the corps in CA are former pirate corps. I have had no problems with sinister after they moved to curse (allot before). I know allot of people are claiming they are still pirating but as far as I know noone have been killed without compensation after they decided to be clean. Thank you for your polite answer before all... but don't you think that if YOU have had no problems with them it could be different for MANY people in Eve? Plus, I heard reports of pirating activities in Catch region (why there while there's a war in Curse?) and even inside Curse, as reported by some members of the CC. I don't understand why they should lie, since they clearly admitted their small firepower and since they know that they will be crushed without the support of the Stain Alliance. And we from Stain Alliance don't need those reports to know that we DON'T WANT Pirates corps (formerly or not) at our borders. You want a Curse Alliance friend of the Stain Alliance? it can be probably... only thrown away the pirates before. Then talkings could be take place. Hope I was clear... and thanks for your attention Sirs! Jokers Jokers : Outnumbered !
Yuen Caldari Jokers	Posted - 2003.10.01 11:49:00 - [342] Quote: sry Yuen, I later stated that some of the corps in CA are former pirate corps. I have had no problems with sinister after they moved to curse (allot before). I know allot of people are claiming they are still pirating but as far as I know noone have been killed without compensation after they decided to be clean. Thank you for your polite answer before all... but don't you think that if YOU have had no problems with them it could be different for MANY people in Eve? Plus, I heard reports of pirating activities in Catch region (why there while there's a war in Curse?) and even inside Curse, as reported by some members of the CC. I don't understand why they should lie, since they clearly admitted their small firepower and since they know that they will be crushed without the support of the Stain Alliance. And we from Stain Alliance don't need those reports to know that we DON'T WANT Pirates corps (formerly or not) at our borders. You want a Curse Alliance friend of the Stain Alliance? it can be probably... only thrown away the pirates before. Then talkings could be take place. Hope I was clear... and thanks for your attention Sirs! Jokers Jokers : Outnumbered !
Ramuis	Posted - 2003.10.01 15:34:00 - [343] Edited by: Ramuis on 01/10/2003 15:51:34 Edited by: Ramuis on 01/10/2003 15:35:56 I to have heard allot of reports about pirating around eve, specifically some reports state that sinister (or other CA members) have been pirating. I can only tell you what I hear on the alliance channel and my experience in eve (not only curse) and since I canÆt be everywhere I would really like these people who have victim to sinisters pirate activities after they moved to curse. As stated before accidents have occurred in curse where some people have been wrongfully killed but these people should have been repaid for their losers. I've been in curse since first time my corp needed rare minerals and I have had problems with sinister and other pirate corps but never have I had a problem with red corsairs. I know others have before but if someone wants to change his way then give these people a chance. It have been quite some time since I've heard people claiming red corsairs pirating (allot of people continue to refer to old reports). I believe red corsairs have changed their way and if stain is going to tell me who I can have in my alliance and who I canÆt then they have gone to far imho. They have stain and they can control that due to their military power, then stay there. I sincerely hope sinister will be able to show the rest of eve that they have changed just like red corsairs. I see no evidence pointing in any other direction, that is why I am still a nomad. If my corp should ever turn into pirates I would take my ship and find another corp! And to finish this post of I just would like to ask CC to come fourth with evidence of the CAÆs pirate activities since this is why they left.
Ramuis Minmatar Software Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2003.10.01 15:34:00 - [344] Edited by: Ramuis on 01/10/2003 15:51:34 Edited by: Ramuis on 01/10/2003 15:35:56 I to have heard allot of reports about pirating around eve, specifically some reports state that sinister (or other CA members) have been pirating. I can only tell you what I hear on the alliance channel and my experience in eve (not only curse) and since I canÆt be everywhere I would really like these people who have victim to sinisters pirate activities after they moved to curse. As stated before accidents have occurred in curse where some people have been wrongfully killed but these people should have been repaid for their losers. I've been in curse since first time my corp needed rare minerals and I have had problems with sinister and other pirate corps but never have I had a problem with red corsairs. I know others have before but if someone wants to change his way then give these people a chance. It have been quite some time since I've heard people claiming red corsairs pirating (allot of people continue to refer to old reports). I believe red corsairs have changed their way and if stain is going to tell me who I can have in my alliance and who I canÆt then they have gone to far imho. They have stain and they can control that due to their military power, then stay there. I sincerely hope sinister will be able to show the rest of eve that they have changed just like red corsairs. I see no evidence pointing in any other direction, that is why I am still a nomad. If my corp should ever turn into pirates I would take my ship and find another corp! And to finish this post of I just would like to ask CC to come fourth with evidence of the CAÆs pirate activities since this is why they left.
Thalen Mort	Posted - 2003.10.01 20:46:00 - [345] Ramuis, I understand your opinion that Sinister/Mo0 may have given up their "pirateing ways". But due to the greivious crimes of their past they can not just walk away with "oops, sorry, my bad." They have still to pay for the crimes they have commited. A Murderer in our society when caught does not just say...oops, I used to kill people....but I don't anymore. And expect the authorities to set him on his way. Sinister/Moo are wanted felons with a long history of killing innocents that will not just go away due to a relocation and eve taking thier word that they are a "good" corp now. --------------------------------------------- Just because you are paranoid does not mean people are not out to get you.
Thalen Mort Caldari Doomheim	Posted - 2003.10.01 20:46:00 - [346] Ramuis, I understand your opinion that Sinister/Mo0 may have given up their "pirateing ways". But due to the greivious crimes of their past they can not just walk away with "oops, sorry, my bad." They have still to pay for the crimes they have commited. A Murderer in our society when caught does not just say...oops, I used to kill people....but I don't anymore. And expect the authorities to set him on his way. Sinister/Moo are wanted felons with a long history of killing innocents that will not just go away due to a relocation and eve taking thier word that they are a "good" corp now. --------------------------------------------- Just because you are paranoid does not mean people are not out to get you.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2003.10.01 20:52:00 - [347] Quote: Ramuis, I understand your opinion that Sinister/Mo0 may have given up their "pirateing ways". But due to the greivious crimes of their past they can not just walk away with "oops, sorry, my bad." They have still to pay for the crimes they have commited. A Murderer in our society when caught does not just say...oops, I used to kill people....but I don't anymore. And expect the authorities to set him on his way. Sinister/Moo are wanted felons with a long history of killing innocents that will not just go away due to a relocation and eve taking thier word that they are a "good" corp now. All very well. But how DO YOU EXPLAIN MASS'S PIRATES?!?! I am refering to Zen0, 1manarmy and the others like psycopath. How is ok for your guys to reform, but not ours? Such a double standard. I want an answer to this. I bet that I wont get anything but more tapdancing around that FACT.
The Reclaimer Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.10.01 20:52:00 - [348] Quote: Ramuis, I understand your opinion that Sinister/Mo0 may have given up their "pirateing ways". But due to the greivious crimes of their past they can not just walk away with "oops, sorry, my bad." They have still to pay for the crimes they have commited. A Murderer in our society when caught does not just say...oops, I used to kill people....but I don't anymore. And expect the authorities to set him on his way. Sinister/Moo are wanted felons with a long history of killing innocents that will not just go away due to a relocation and eve taking thier word that they are a "good" corp now. All very well. But how DO YOU EXPLAIN MASS'S PIRATES?!?! I am refering to Zen0, 1manarmy and the others like psycopath. How is ok for your guys to reform, but not ours? Such a double standard. I want an answer to this. I bet that I wont get anything but more tapdancing around that FACT.
Ramuis	Posted - 2003.10.01 21:19:00 - [349] Quote: But due to the greivious crimes of their past they can not just walk away with "oops, sorry, my bad." They have still to pay for the crimes they have commited.] I have thought about this but I cant find any solution to the problem. Raging a constant war on them doesn't seem as a solution though, how many times do you have to kill someone before you would consider yourselves as greifers?? On the other hand I understand that people who have been victims to these corps pirate activities want some kind of revenge but what and how could this be done.
Ramuis Minmatar Software Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2003.10.01 21:19:00 - [350] Quote: But due to the greivious crimes of their past they can not just walk away with "oops, sorry, my bad." They have still to pay for the crimes they have commited.] I have thought about this but I cant find any solution to the problem. Raging a constant war on them doesn't seem as a solution though, how many times do you have to kill someone before you would consider yourselves as greifers?? On the other hand I understand that people who have been victims to these corps pirate activities want some kind of revenge but what and how could this be done.
Thalen Mort	Posted - 2003.10.02 02:01:00 - [351] All very well. But how DO YOU EXPLAIN MASS'S PIRATES?!?! I am refering to Zen0, 1manarmy and the others like psycopath. How is ok for your guys to reform, but not ours? Such a double standard. I want an answer to this. I bet that I wont get anything but more tapdancing around that FACT. As I am not a member of MASS I can not answer this for them.....But in my personal opinion had the Nomads accepted 2-3 "reformed pirates" into thier fold we would not be where we are today. The issue I believe is that the entire corperation and history have moved into and been welcomed into curse. I have no personal animosity to the nomads except in my veiw you are harbouring and aiding murderers and known cutthroats. --------------------------------------------- Just because you are paranoid does not mean people are not out to get you.
Thalen Mort Caldari Doomheim	Posted - 2003.10.02 02:01:00 - [352] All very well. But how DO YOU EXPLAIN MASS'S PIRATES?!?! I am refering to Zen0, 1manarmy and the others like psycopath. How is ok for your guys to reform, but not ours? Such a double standard. I want an answer to this. I bet that I wont get anything but more tapdancing around that FACT. As I am not a member of MASS I can not answer this for them.....But in my personal opinion had the Nomads accepted 2-3 "reformed pirates" into thier fold we would not be where we are today. The issue I believe is that the entire corperation and history have moved into and been welcomed into curse. I have no personal animosity to the nomads except in my veiw you are harbouring and aiding murderers and known cutthroats. --------------------------------------------- Just because you are paranoid does not mean people are not out to get you.
Ramuis	Posted - 2003.10.02 06:41:00 - [353] Quote: I have no personal animosity to the nomads except in my veiw you are harbouring and aiding murderers and known cutthroats. Does this mean once a pirate always a pirate and no way one can change his ways? Please think about evolution, I have never been at a evol pirate gatecamp but allot of people have. Evol has changed so why can't other pirate corps change.
Ramuis Minmatar Software Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2003.10.02 06:41:00 - [354] Quote: I have no personal animosity to the nomads except in my veiw you are harbouring and aiding murderers and known cutthroats. Does this mean once a pirate always a pirate and no way one can change his ways? Please think about evolution, I have never been at a evol pirate gatecamp but allot of people have. Evol has changed so why can't other pirate corps change.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2003.10.02 06:49:00 - [355] Evol has changed? Ok, who got banned?
The Reclaimer Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.10.02 06:49:00 - [356] Evol has changed? Ok, who got banned?
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2003.10.02 08:48:00 - [357] Quote: Evol has changed? Ok, who got banned? I think it was the Fallen angels that got banned.. curse alliance members if I remember correctly...
Mr Blonde Amarr	Posted - 2003.10.02 08:48:00 - [358] Quote: Evol has changed? Ok, who got banned? I think it was the Fallen angels that got banned.. curse alliance members if I remember correctly...
Yuen	Posted - 2003.10.02 09:09:00 - [359] Ramuis I guess that one thing is that 2-3 member (that were pirates) joined a big corp like MASS is, and another one is a Pirate Corp like Sinister and the others were. Now they claim they are pirates no more (or not? it's a mess this, one time are pirates, one time are not). I believe that you can't just "trust" this kind of people on they word alone. If I should demonstrate something I cannot just say "hey I changed from NOW", I think I'd have to make facts proof my change. Actually, seems that you based your assumptions on the words of a well known pirate Corp. If it's enough for you and you are so well-oriented with this kind of people, maybe not everyone is so kind as you are, and thus this someone would like to see proofs. Of course noone can tell you who you can take in your Alliance and who you cannot, but you should know that making a certain thing or allow a certain kind of corp, will take some consequence. The worst one is a war, and that's what you had for accepting them. P.S: Sorry my grammar sucks in this post,but I just woke up Jokers Jokers : Outnumbered !
Yuen Caldari Jokers	Posted - 2003.10.02 09:09:00 - [360] Ramuis I guess that one thing is that 2-3 member (that were pirates) joined a big corp like MASS is, and another one is a Pirate Corp like Sinister and the others were. Now they claim they are pirates no more (or not? it's a mess this, one time are pirates, one time are not). I believe that you can't just "trust" this kind of people on they word alone. If I should demonstrate something I cannot just say "hey I changed from NOW", I think I'd have to make facts proof my change. Actually, seems that you based your assumptions on the words of a well known pirate Corp. If it's enough for you and you are so well-oriented with this kind of people, maybe not everyone is so kind as you are, and thus this someone would like to see proofs. Of course noone can tell you who you can take in your Alliance and who you cannot, but you should know that making a certain thing or allow a certain kind of corp, will take some consequence. The worst one is a war, and that's what you had for accepting them. P.S: Sorry my grammar sucks in this post,but I just woke up Jokers Jokers : Outnumbered !

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