From an overall game design perspective, yes it's a significant change that feedback in this thread would indicate is majority negative.

That being said...

What if it had been like this on day one of Apocrypha, and we'd never had 0-risk hole rolling? Would we be up in arms asking for CCP to make it so everyone spawned within 7.5km of the wormhole? I doubt it.

Maybe wormhole space needs to have its meta smacked around a bit. We don't know what other changes are in flight, so maybe there are other things going on that combine with a change like this (which he said weren't using final values) that makes the overall idea okay to us.

1. Rolling holes with capitals will be a thing of the past as you now have 5 minutes of your capital exposed which people won't do. So if you're not using capitals, then you won't be putting nearly as much mass on a hole as quick... so cloaky carrier **** won't work anymore.
2. Dreads will decloak at their optimal. Blap dreads are goign to be a thing again. Best way to counter t3 blob when you have multiple dreads, spread the dreads out so they can always track. GG CCP
3. MWD BS will become primary mode of rolling holes. 10 sets for a 3B hole. BS can have prop mod to run away, MJD to jump away unless you have scram, scorpions?, less isk at risk, and more i didn't think of
4. Control a fight on a hole by changing the mass quickly? Not going to happen when you have to slowboat 30km
5. Capital/Freighter jumps through hole, your ****** bubble missed it as it spawned outside range... it gets webbed away and lives... GG
6. Less content, more frustration.

And that's just the stuff that came to mind in the first 5 mins.


Edit: This whole things stinks of "We don't know what is going into next mini-release, lets just change some **** and call it awesome new content generator"

This feature effectively deals with 2 major w-space problems.

1) Carebears using caps to make their ISK faucet completely safe.

2) Roaming gangs of T3 ships looking for easy targets to gank.

The end result will be more meaningful PvP over systems and resources, not the current carebear and gank fest.

It's a brilliant solution CCP, make it happen. (and for cynos too please!)

Good afternoon everyone.
...we will be publishing a dev blog on soon. We will be looking for player feedback at that time....
...We'll be posting a dev blog with the whole collection of proposed changes next week and we will be very interested in taking your feedback then...
... In the meantime I advise you all to not panic....
...Nobody is out to get you....

This feature effectively deals with 2 major w-space problems.

1) Carebears using caps to make their ISK faucet completely safe.
2) Roaming gangs of T3 ships looking for easy targets to gank.

The end result will be more meaningful PvP over systems and resources, not the current carebear and gank fest.

Fix broken thing, this isn't one!

Bad:

Rolling will be unpleasant as hell, be it for aggressive party that want to find fight or for defensive party that want to close their home.

Sniping dread spreading around hole............

Catching Cov Ops and Blockade Runner will be gone...

Even more Ishtar fleet spreading around... NO THANK

Good:

None...

-1 Interesting concept, but it seems like it will just discourage PvP in WH space. We cant YOLO caps into null now b/c when they cyno in five titans to drive be DD we can't hop back to saftey. If we wanted to fight the blob we would live in nullsec. Zzzzzzz

Introducing a mechanic to allow rolling using some sort of Siphon might be amusing.

TLDR; None of our discussion is being paid any attention to at the moment. CCP only listens when they want to listen. Guess it's time to shoot the statues outside Jita and Amarr again. CCP doesn't listen, but CCP does watch. Source: monoclegate.

Well, supercapital-class ships are gay as hell. But won't this change mean that the phrase "you only live once" will describe your capitals rather more accurately?

This feature effectively deals with 2 major w-space problems.

1) Carebears using caps to make their ISK faucet completely safe.
2) Roaming gangs of T3 ships looking for easy targets to gank.

The end result will be more meaningful PvP over systems and resources, not the current carebear and gank fest.

It's a brilliant solution CCP, make it happen. (and for cynos too please!)

This feature effectively deals with 2 major w-space problems.

1) Carebears using caps to make their ISK faucet completely safe.
2) Roaming gangs of T3 ships looking for easy targets to gank.

The end result will be more meaningful PvP over systems and resources, not the current carebear and gank fest.

It's a brilliant solution CCP, make it happen. (and for cynos too please!)

So are you really trying compare some small change to WH mechanics that tries to avoid risk-free hole rolling with a pay-to-win-eve ? Say it ain't so!

This seems like a good change that will cause a lot more interesting choices.

EDIT: the thing Lynx is talking about: >Click<

That's quite delusional regarding nullsec. If anything, the WH people should easily get kills in 0.0 if the are looking a for fight.

Anyway, Instead of jumping in and out with your dread in a risk-free maneuver, you'll need a scout to have a warp out and warp back in? Takes an entire minute. Unless the reason is not to find a fight, like oh-everyone-so-claims, but to avoid one.

This feature effectively deals with 2 major w-space problems.

1) Carebears using caps to make their ISK faucet completely safe.
2) Roaming gangs of T3 ships looking for easy targets to gank.

The end result will be more meaningful PvP over systems and resources, not the current carebear and gank fest.

It's a brilliant solution CCP, make it happen. (and for cynos too please!)

please explain whats good about it and the more interesting choices. please also apply them to. c1 wh's, c2 to c4 wh's and then c5 to c6 wh's also please take in to account farmers and pvpers. Small groups that live in the lower class wh's and bigger groups in the higher class wh's.