Maybe I am not understanding this correctly but the idea I'm getting is CCP is trying to prevent people from opening up a wormhole, seeing something they do not like for whatever reason and able to instantly roll it.

I do not disagree that the whole T3 and logi needs work, but CCP is already rebalancing T3 ships, which is long overdue IMO. I think they should finish doing that before also screwing around with other game mechanics.

I suggest a bell-curve based on mass.

Very small ships (scouts) and very large ships (capitals) would spawn close.
Medium sized ships would spawn farther away (guardians have a 70km range so I'd say max distance would be 35kms)


Scouts no harder to kill: Check
Capitals still somewhat safe to use on wormholes: Check
Hole rolling speed not influenced: Check
Heavy armor fleets don't have to worry about being too spread out: Check
Kite doctrines will have the option to jump into enemy fleets: Check
Hard as **** to code: Pending

So as it stands now we have

Team A Finds Team B

Team B Gets alerted to Team A being there (The instant sig overlay usually alerts them)

Team B scouts Team A's fleet

Team B sends jabber ping

Team A waits on WH with fleet or half fleet and half reserved

Team B gets a few log ins starts to form up

Team A notices Team B getting a few more numbers and sends another scout through to assess

Team A realises they are starting to get a few more people then they are comfortable with and think a fight might happen.

Team A sends jabber ping to bolster numbers

Team A and B scouts **** around like shitcunts for 15mins liaising with FC's about fleet comps they can see and look for deepsafes

Team B realise Team A's fleet is not sitting in their home WH

Team B decides to send another scout out to scan for their home Wh to make sure there is only Team A current shown fleet.

Team A starts to get pissed off at form up time and has either massive dicks like me start to talk **** in local or the FC will start talking **** in Hiddens love den (Rainbow retards channel)

Team B figure they either better do something soon or fear being outed as pussies.

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Option 1 usually happens here:

Team b get the stock standard dread blap at range setup ready

Team A see the changes and realises they can do bugger all about dread blap and call them lots of names and go home to do escalations

Option 2

Team B warps to hole with a great fleet after jabber ping army has assembled (I'm looking at you SSC jabber warriors)

Team A jump in their fleet and see Team B has commited and call in the reserve fleet and a dread and Archon

Team A dont have enough numbers to break Team B in the end and jump subcaps home then jump dread home after taking a few minor losses but saving the rest of the 50B ISK fleet to safely fight another day

Team A then go home to do escalations while **** talking with Team B while Team B run escalations in their home

Both teams pretty chuffed about what has just happened and think all is fine with the universe.... An hour later.


AND THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE OF HIGH END WH's YOU WANT TO KEEP?

Judging from your characters employment history, pretty sure you should just leave the wormhole forums.

I think it's not an awful idea just too extreme in its current implementation. I feel like CCP is simply trying to make ships more vulnerable around wormholes rather than always having the freedom of jumping to the other side. Putting caps 40km away however is complete suicide when dropping them outside jump range at say 5 - 10km serves the same purpose without making it completely unrealistic to use them.

We will be looking for player feedback at that time.

Judging from you staying in the same stale C6 corp for two years thinking you are the elite of WH's while experiencing no other WH gameplay you should stop judging other people.

Wow you guys seem to get really personal and nasty when someone like me doesn't agree with your everything is right mentality.

because it is broken...

appropriately, and just like everyone else. i mean, the only reason for using an orca to roll is the mass... it's certainly not the combat ability. to balance that shortcut of pushing a lot of mass through at one time, you end up in more danger. isn't that balance?

appropriately, and just like everyone else.

Yes, there are players that support the expected change, and that is what makes EVE the game it is, diversity. However, we all notice that some players hide behind Forum Alts with no playing history, and donGÇÖt have the balls to use their main playing character to voice their view. Your choice, but you stand accused being a forum troll with no WH experience or right to voice your opinion in or about our sandpit until you do.

let's be honest about the shortcut this affects. carrier + orca spawning further out is as appropriate as they are an easy button. i mean, what is the one situation you jumped a dread through a wormhole with the intention of jumping straight back (which is what this change affects).

sorry about the short reply. I realized I should explain myself and added to it.

I have never seen half the people in this thread bitching about how this is so game breaking ever come to Wh forums to come to discuss any WH mechanics or ideas until their perfect little world of insta rolling away issues is threatened.

People don't complain about things they consider to be working reasonably well...

Do you think this change will result in more activity in wormhole space (more wormhole connections, more people running sites, more people rolling) or less? Please explain your answer.

Yeah as i said, i agree that the ships should spawn outside of jump range but 40km, even 15km for a capital ship that doesn't have a prop mod is ridiculous.

Hell pick one thing from the W Space Little Things Thread. There are viable concepts that are agreed by the entire wormhole community there. The community, Your Customers, And the CSM that was voted by US in YOUR Election.

Why don't you start Listening To Them.

Because fixing POS mechanics is too difficult.

Something must be done in w-space, this is something, let's do it!